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Title: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: doubledrop on December 03, 2015, 07:51:56 PM
Dan Agnew's mule deer taken on the Jicarilla Indian Reservation in northern New Mexico earlier this week. The buck scores 220 7/8 gross and 214 1/8 net and was taken while hunting with tribal guide Ryan Panzy. (https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F15%2F12%2F03%2Fb4e55985497b934911786b902da2afcd.jpg&hash=3466fd9c0285a647a031c493c5308f799f1b54c6)


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Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: Mark251 on December 03, 2015, 07:54:44 PM
Wow!  What a beauty  :tup:
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: hunting4sanity on December 03, 2015, 08:03:10 PM
Tremendously impressive buck!
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: Tbar on December 03, 2015, 09:46:44 PM
Awesome buck.  It looks like more deductions than that but I'm no expert.  Congrats to the hunter.
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: huntnphool on December 03, 2015, 09:49:44 PM
Fantastic buck :tup:
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: ELKBURGER on December 04, 2015, 05:37:30 AM
Awesome Buck! If I could afford it, I'd be doing the same thing with my money!
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on December 04, 2015, 05:41:02 AM
Who cares how he got it....he spent his money hunting the way he likes to hunt...maybe he's a busy guy and doesn't have the time to scout like alot of us do...me personally I like to spend the time and money to scout and hike myself but to each his own....its a great deer no matter what...congrats Dan  :tup:
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: Ripper on December 04, 2015, 06:13:03 AM
Haters gotta hate.  >:( The Jicarilla is not a high fence hunt, it's an Indian Reservation and a big one at that. By bashing this guy for using a guide, you are bashing everyone who uses a guide. Every non resident who hunts in Canada is required to hire a guide. Are they all bad hunters because they use a guide? I think not. I don't know this guy so I can't ( I wouldn't anyway) judge him. If I were a rich man that is exactly what I would be doing every year, one dream hunt after another. If I wasn't hunting then I would be spending my money on fishing trips.

That is a great buck. I would love to shoot one like it. Sure there are bigger bucks out there, but this thread is about this deer. If you want to show off bigger deer then start your own thread.

Thanks to the OP for sharing.  :tup:
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 04, 2015, 06:49:07 AM
Awesome buck and congrats. There seems to be some jealousy in a previous post. Its his choice how he wants to spend HIS money and how he chooses to hunt legally. Enough with the negative attack better to just make no comment.
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: 400gross on December 04, 2015, 07:03:16 AM
Who cares.


I get it the guy buys big deer year after year. It doesn't mean he is a good hunter or outdoorsman. I have more respect for a hunt on an OTC public land DIY Muley doe more than this 200" buck. Just my opinion.

I buy tags and use guides all the time you have to hunt where the big ones live, and that cost money.   >:(
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: Timberstalker on December 04, 2015, 07:28:36 AM
Darn nice animal.  Congrats to the hunter. :tup:
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: gunnarnewt on December 04, 2015, 07:34:47 AM
Great buck! Congrats to Mr. Agnew   :tup:
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: boneaddict on December 04, 2015, 07:38:10 AM
Always been a dream to hunt there.  Some incredible animals throughout the years from there.   Nice buck.
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: Bob33 on December 04, 2015, 07:41:52 AM
I visited the Jicarilla reservation in the late 80s. Back then a trophy elk hunt cost around $5000. I couldn't fathom anyone spending that much on an elk hunt. ;)

The experience of simply being there was incredible, and I suspect Agnew understands that.

Being on the reservation does not guarantee a large animal.

Congratulations to Mr. Agnew on a very nice animal.
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: grundy53 on December 04, 2015, 07:47:06 AM
Who cares.


I get it the guy buys big deer year after year. It doesn't mean he is a good hunter or outdoorsman. I have more respect for a hunt on an OTC public land DIY Muley doe more than this 200" buck. Just my opinion.
If that is how you feel, why bother posting on this thread?

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Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: Ridgerunner on December 04, 2015, 07:57:20 AM
Its a great buck.  I'm glad it got posted. 
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: ELKBURGER on December 04, 2015, 08:05:23 AM
Its a great buck.  I'm glad it got posted.
:yeah:
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: Elkpiss on December 04, 2015, 08:14:24 AM
Dan is a good dude and does a lot for the sport of hunting...   I promise you he puts in more money into the sport and conservation then all of us combined on this site... Were lucky to have a dude like this... :twocents:
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on December 04, 2015, 08:39:07 AM
Cool buck! :tup: :drool:
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: WAcoueshunter on December 04, 2015, 08:54:04 AM
Its a great buck.  I'm glad it got posted.

   :yeah:  Indeed, thank you for posting the pic!

Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: SemperFidelis97 on December 04, 2015, 09:02:11 AM
Fantastic buck congrats to the hunter.

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Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on December 04, 2015, 09:23:41 AM
Beautiful buck.  I would love to hunt the Jicarillo Res, White Mountain, ...
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: Dhoey07 on December 04, 2015, 09:28:33 AM
Awesome buck, congrats to the guide.
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: link on December 04, 2015, 09:36:48 AM
Awesome buck, congrats to the guide.
Hey now, you're going to get on the naughty list around here with comments like that! :chuckle:
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: REHJWA on December 04, 2015, 09:50:59 AM
Thanks for sharing. Awesome animal.
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: bankwalker on December 04, 2015, 10:07:58 AM
It's really sad how pathetic some of you "elitist" chumps really are getting over guys with money buying these tags...
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: Mr Mykiss on December 04, 2015, 10:16:56 AM
Awesome buck, congrats to the guide.
I had never heard that one before :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: Alchase on December 04, 2015, 10:32:23 AM
My dream is to hunt Jicarillo for Muleys and Chama elk.

Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: westsidehntr on December 04, 2015, 11:00:18 AM
Congrats to Dan! Living the dream!
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: wsucowboy on December 04, 2015, 11:38:50 AM
Congrats to the hunter, if I had the money I'd be doing the exact same thing.

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Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: trophyhunt on December 04, 2015, 12:10:11 PM
Haters gotta hate.  >:( The Jicarilla is not a high fence hunt, it's an Indian Reservation and a big one at that. By bashing this guy for using a guide, you are bashing everyone who uses a guide. Every non resident who hunts in Canada is required to hire a guide. Are they all bad hunters because they use a guide? I think not. I don't know this guy so I can't ( I wouldn't anyway) judge him. If I were a rich man that is exactly what I would be doing every year, one dream hunt after another. If I wasn't hunting then I would be spending my money on fishing trips.

That is a great buck. I would love to shoot one like it. Sure there are bigger bucks out there, but this thread is about this deer. If you want to show off bigger deer then start your own thread.

Thanks to the OP for sharing.  :tup:
I have to agree with you.  I get what he is saying though, I don't get excited as much, but still love to look at nice animals.
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: cmiller85 on December 04, 2015, 04:33:20 PM
Awesome Buck! Congrats to him!

I never would have guessed that deer to only have 6-6/8" in deductions. It looks like he has 10-12" of non typical points alone before factoring in symmetry deductions.
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: Reidus on December 04, 2015, 05:06:04 PM
Awesome Buck! Congrats to him!

I never would have guessed that deer to only have 6-6/8" in deductions. It looks like he has 10-12" of non typical points alone before factoring in symmetry deductions.

 :yeah:
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: link on December 04, 2015, 06:36:57 PM
I'm sure thats a net non typical score.
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: AKBowman on December 04, 2015, 06:51:23 PM
Awesome buck and congrats. There seems to be some jealousy in a previous post. Its his choice how he wants to spend HIS money and how he chooses to hunt legally. Enough with the negative attack better to just make no comment.

I can understand how my previous post can come across as being jealous. I'm not upset or jealous of the fact that this guy kills big deer every year I'm truly not. I just don't really understand why so many people think it's such a big deal. I'm sorry but it simply is not a hunting accomplishment in my book. Substitute anyone who can follow a guide around and shoot straight.

I have no problems with guides or people who take guides. Nothing against the hunter or how he chooses to spend his money. It just simply is not a big accomplishment in my book when you kill a big critter in an area where very very few people are allowed to hunt. Especially when you do it with your hand held.
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: AKBowman on December 04, 2015, 06:59:48 PM
Dan is a good dude and does a lot for the sport of hunting...   I promise you he puts in more money into the sport and conservation then all of us combined on this site... Were lucky to have a dude like this... :twocents:

I'm sure he is and I agree with your statement. Lots pf good things come from his funds. Probably should have kept my opinion to myself on this one. It's cool he killed a giant buck and hopefully he accomplished one of his goals.
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: Dan-o on December 04, 2015, 07:02:20 PM
Awesome buck and congrats. There seems to be some jealousy in a previous post. Its his choice how he wants to spend HIS money and how he chooses to hunt legally. Enough with the negative attack better to just make no comment.

I can understand how my previous post can come across as being jealous. I'm not upset or jealous of the fact that this guy kills big deer every year I'm truly not. I just don't really understand why so many people think it's such a big deal. I'm sorry but it simply is not a hunting accomplishment in my book. Substitute anyone who can follow a guide around and shoot straight.

I have no problems with guides or people who take guides. Nothing against the hunter or how he chooses to spend his money. It just simply is not a big accomplishment in my book when you kill a big critter in an area where very very few people are allowed to hunt. Especially when you do it with your hand held.

The post was about appreciating a truly tremendous buck - not about hunting style.

Some of these guys wear their jealousy so close to the surface it's scary.

Too bad.

Congrats to Dan A on a tremendous buck....   even though some of you would be more proud of shooting a rat over bait........   riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: Bob33 on December 04, 2015, 07:12:03 PM
I've shot a few animals 10 feet from my truck, unguided. I've busted my ars for 10 days with a guide and come home with just memories.

Congratulations to Mr. Agnew.
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: Kazekurt on December 04, 2015, 07:46:26 PM
I'm just glad I got to see a pic.  When it comes to hunting there are many ways to skin that cat.  Some own great property, some use wealth, some use youth and physical advantages, some are just ridiculously lucky when it comes to tags, some are tremendously skilled, some have special ceded rights, and some have varying combinations of all of the above.  I'm just happy people are out perpetuating the sport that I love and hope that it will continue for generations to come.  I never would think to begrudge anyone success, as long as they hunt in an honest, ethical manner and show  due respect to the game.  I do not respect any Hunter more or less based on the size of their kill.  I respect them based upon their ethics and their dedication and devotion to the sport.  I'm personally ecstatic mr Agnew chooses to spend his dollars in ways that benefit the sport versus dumping a boatload of money into passing gun control or banning some aspect of hunting, etc.  I have a certain hard-core style that I personally hunt, and I hunt that way because I enjoy it and because it's how I get the most fulfillment out of the sport; but I have zero problem with people doing things A different way and I hope they find great fulfillment in whatever manner they choose to hunt.  I'm far more jealous of the amount of time Mr. Agnew gets to spend hunting than I am of his trophys and I hope that someday I will find myself in that position.  I can't think of anything I'd rather do than spend three months hunting; regardless of the outcome.  The trophy lies in the hunt itself; the animal is just a bonus.
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: Alan K on December 04, 2015, 07:50:43 PM
I'm just glad I got to see a pic.  When it comes to hunting there are many ways to skin that cat.  Some own great property, some use wealth, some use youth and physical advantages, some are just ridiculously lucky when it comes to tags, some are tremendously skilled, some have special ceded rights, and some have varying combinations of all of the above.  I'm just happy people are out perpetuating the sport that I love and hope that it will continue for generations to come.  I never would think to begrudge anyone success, as long as they hunt in an honest, ethical manner and show  due respect to the game.  I do not respect any Hunter more or less based on the size of their kill.  I respect them based upon their ethics and their dedication and devotion to the sport.  I'm personally ecstatic mr Agnew chooses to spend his dollars in ways that benefit the sport versus dumping a boatload of money into passing gun control or banning some aspect of hunting, etc.  I have a certain hard-core style that I personally hunt, and I hunt that way because I enjoy it and because it's how I get the most fulfillment out of the sport; but I have zero problem with people doing things A different way and I hope they find great fulfillment in whatever manner they choose to hunt.  I'm far more jealous of the amount of time Mr. Agnew gets to spend hunting than I am of his trophys and I hope that someday I will find myself in that position.  I can't think of anything I'd rather do than spend three months hunting; regardless of the outcome.  The trophy lies in the hunt itself; the animal is just a bonus.

Well said!  :tup:
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: GrampasGuns on December 04, 2015, 09:05:57 PM
Who cares about the drams man. That's a beast of a buck and we all would slap our mothers to get a chance to send some lead towards that buck.

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Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on December 04, 2015, 10:06:18 PM
    I think maybe some of those preaching "we should all just get along" and pointing fingers at the "elitists" need to down a large spoonful of their own medicine and try just getting along.

I get what AK is saying. And don't think he was trying to disrespect the hunter and certainly not the buck.

When viewed as a sport, hunting is special because it has no set "standards". In all other sports the "best" all compete on the same field. And earn respect among peers for play on that field. NFL fields are all the same, Goals are the same, even a deflated ball is cause for a lynching :chuckle: Basketball hoops are all set to the same height. Would anyone respect Lebron if he was dunking on a 8 foot basket? Yet hunting has none of these set in stone rules. Sure we have regulations but even these can certainly be bypassed with money. So it is natural that hunters will come up with their own yardstick for measuring success. From my limited interactions, I think for many hunters the " Pro field" is OTC tags or possibly general draw tags, on open to public land, and by and large unguided. That is the playing field that is the hardest to win at consistently. Not only for the hunter but also the hunted. Does that mean a guy wont ever dump a rut crazed 200 inch buck in the Methow in October from the pickup? Or that the guy who hunts a governor rut tag wont get a chance at 150 class buck on private ground with Mossback? Of course not, but which is more plausible? I do think some of these hunters hunt hard and care about a quality hunt. And some guys that buy a OTC tag and a 30 pack don't. Its all relative, but In the end when comparing apples to apples the guys with the 30 pack was still pitting himself against all the other competition against animals that knew best how to survive it. You cannot say that about this hunt.

   I am happy for the hunter and the conservation dollars he puts toward the state/animals. I do question whether that money will ever impact me in any way or if these hunters attitude toward stewardship and animal and land access and availability. Are even close to mine. But in the end it is their money and the system is working for them, Kudos.

  Most importantly can we please get off the " they must be elitist" or " here comes the jealousy crew" bandwagon. I think I will go try to kill a frustration Doe this weekend just to get my head straight :chuckle:

     
Title: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: jackelope on December 04, 2015, 10:10:25 PM
I'd be willing to wager that the likes of Mr Agnew, Mr. Klumper, Mr. Reichert couldn't care less what us folks or anyone else think about the way they hunt and the means they use to kill their trophies. Just a hunch. If it's fun in their book, that's why they do it.
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on December 04, 2015, 10:20:54 PM
 :chuckle:...Well yes and no  :tup: I would hope we are all similar in that mindset. I know I  care less what you think or anyone thinks of how I hunt. I was simply pointing this out for comparison purposes. But for folk that don't care, they are awfully picky about getting their pictures and details posted up here. ( Not speaking for Dan directly, as he seems fairly freewheeling with the pics :tup: )
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: grundy53 on December 04, 2015, 10:42:28 PM
I don't see why people think It's okay to crap on their hunts just because they have money. People would never comment on "normal" people's hunts like they do with Dan and guys like him. It would be be incredibly rude. Everyone would chastise the commenter. Folks would say "no wonder people won't post success photos on here anymore" or "comments like that are ruining this site". But no, Since the hunter is deemed too rich it is okay to crap on his hunt. It doesn't matter how hard he hunted because he has money so therefore he didn't actually hunt.

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Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: AKBowman on December 04, 2015, 10:49:38 PM
I'm just glad I got to see a pic.  When it comes to hunting there are many ways to skin that cat.  Some own great property, some use wealth, some use youth and physical advantages, some are just ridiculously lucky when it comes to tags, some are tremendously skilled, some have special ceded rights, and some have varying combinations of all of the above.  I'm just happy people are out perpetuating the sport that I love and hope that it will continue for generations to come.  I never would think to begrudge anyone success, as long as they hunt in an honest, ethical manner and show  due respect to the game.  I do not respect any Hunter more or less based on the size of their kill.  I respect them based upon their ethics and their dedication and devotion to the sport.  I'm personally ecstatic mr Agnew chooses to spend his dollars in ways that benefit the sport versus dumping a boatload of money into passing gun control or banning some aspect of hunting, etc.  I have a certain hard-core style that I personally hunt, and I hunt that way because I enjoy it and because it's how I get the most fulfillment out of the sport; but I have zero problem with people doing things A different way and I hope they find great fulfillment in whatever manner they choose to hunt.  I'm far more jealous of the amount of time Mr. Agnew gets to spend hunting than I am of his trophys and I hope that someday I will find myself in that position.  I can't think of anything I'd rather do than spend three months hunting; regardless of the outcome.  The trophy lies in the hunt itself; the animal is just a bonus.

Very we'll said. There are many great things that come from this persons funds contributed to hunting I certainly would not argue against that. I'm not one for arguing one hunting style against another when hunting as a whole is being scrutinized as a whole from all the anti's.

Let's leave it like this...incredible animal. Hopefully a great experience with a goal fulfilled by all involved. Thanks for everyone's point of view.
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: jackelope on December 04, 2015, 10:56:31 PM

:chuckle:...Well yes and no  :tup: I would hope we are all similar in that mindset. I know I  care less what you think or anyone thinks of how I hunt. I was simply pointing this out for comparison purposes. But for folk that don't care, they are awfully picky about getting their pictures and details posted up here. ( Not speaking for Dan directly, as he seems fairly freewheeling with the pics :tup: )

Personally the reason I think a lot of those folks that don't get their pictures posted on here don't because other folks don't like to post their pictures without approval of the person in the picture. I had pictures of the drama bull in that other thread probably within an hour or 2 of the bull dying. And I know others did too. I just don't post those pictures without the permission of the dude in the picture. I do that out of respect for the guy.  There's no shortage of pictures of these critters.
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: link on December 04, 2015, 11:33:20 PM
    I think maybe some of those preaching "we should all just get along" and pointing fingers at the "elitists" need to down a large spoonful of their own medicine and try just getting along.

I get what AK is saying. And don't think he was trying to disrespect the hunter and certainly not the buck.

When viewed as a sport, hunting is special because it has no set "standards". In all other sports the "best" all compete on the same field. And earn respect among peers for play on that field. NFL fields are all the same, Goals are the same, even a deflated ball is cause for a lynching :chuckle: Basketball hoops are all set to the same height. Would anyone respect Lebron if he was dunking on a 8 foot basket? Yet hunting has none of these set in stone rules. Sure we have regulations but even these can certainly be bypassed with money. So it is natural that hunters will come up with their own yardstick for measuring success. From my limited interactions, I think for many hunters the " Pro field" is OTC tags or possibly general draw tags, on open to public land, and by and large unguided. That is the playing field that is the hardest to win at consistently. Not only for the hunter but also the hunted. Does that mean a guy wont ever dump a rut crazed 200 inch buck in the Methow in October from the pickup? Or that the guy who hunts a governor rut tag wont get a chance at 150 class buck on private ground with Mossback? Of course not, but which is more plausible? I do think some of these hunters hunt hard and care about a quality hunt. And some guys that buy a OTC tag and a 30 pack don't. Its all relative, but In the end when comparing apples to apples the guys with the 30 pack was still pitting himself against all the other competition against animals that knew best how to survive it. You cannot say that about this hunt.

   I am happy for the hunter and the conservation dollars he puts toward the state/animals. I do question whether that money will ever impact me in any way or if these hunters attitude toward stewardship and animal and land access and availability. Are even close to mine. But in the end it is their money and the system is working for them, Kudos.

  Most importantly can we please get off the " they must be elitist" or " here comes the jealousy crew" bandwagon. I think I will go try to kill a frustration Doe this weekend just to get my head straight :chuckle:

     
This is exactly how I feel about these types of hunts. There are no level playing fields in hunting. Some people have more money and buy tags. Some people are very lucky and draw good tags. Some guys can get access to properties, and some guys just have general tags, hunt crowded public land and do the best they can. Some people are just flat out better hunters than others. I just need to realize this and congratulate a hunter and appreciate the animal, not compare it to anyone else's, because you can't.
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: AKBowman on December 04, 2015, 11:42:32 PM
I don't see why people think It's okay to crap on their hunts just because they have money. People would never comment on "normal" people's hunts like they do with Dan and guys like him. It would be be incredibly rude. Everyone would chastise the commenter. Folks would say "no wonder people won't post success photos on here anymore" or "comments like that are ruining this site". But no, Since the hunter is deemed too rich it is okay to crap on his hunt. It doesn't matter how hard he hunted because he has money so therefore he didn't actually hunt.

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How I was raised it mattered a hell of a lot more how dependable of a person you were in the field and what you did to contribute to putting meat on the table for the hunting party. I guess that's where things differ; I was raised its  all about the hunt and not so much about the size of the kill.

Some of my best family friends now hunt almost exclusively through guides and I have the utmost respect for them. They are impressive hunters and reliable woodsman. I certainly am not crapping on this guys hunts because he has money. I'm just NOT going to give him blind praise because he killed a large animal. Especially when the large animals he kills are on paid tags and in areas where the public is not free to hunt. If he hunts a public OTC tag every now and then, honestly that would change the way I feel about this.

Sounds like he is a good guy SO GOOD FOR HIM, I mean that. Sounds like a lot know nothing about him and think he is amazing for killing large elk and deer every year on paid tags and exclusive guided hunts. For me "the hunt"  is about so much more than that.
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: bearpaw on December 05, 2015, 02:04:45 AM
I don't see why people think It's okay to crap on their hunts just because they have money. People would never comment on "normal" people's hunts like they do with Dan and guys like him. It would be be incredibly rude. Everyone would chastise the commenter. Folks would say "no wonder people won't post success photos on here anymore" or "comments like that are ruining this site". But no, Since the hunter is deemed too rich it is okay to crap on his hunt. It doesn't matter how hard he hunted because he has money so therefore he didn't actually hunt.

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 :yeah: that's exactly right.....

I removed some of the disrespectful posts and will continue to do so. If these disrespectful people want to start another topic and discuss what they consider to be fair ethics then do it, but keep the nasty comments out of these topics.

I wonder how they would like it if someone started talking smack about them in a topic about their hunt, oh wait, I think I started to sense how they would feel a few posts back!
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: grundy53 on December 05, 2015, 05:39:56 AM


I don't see why people think It's okay to crap on their hunts just because they have money. People would never comment on "normal" people's hunts like they do with Dan and guys like him. It would be be incredibly rude. Everyone would chastise the commenter. Folks would say "no wonder people won't post success photos on here anymore" or "comments like that are ruining this site". But no, Since the hunter is deemed too rich it is okay to crap on his hunt. It doesn't matter how hard he hunted because he has money so therefore he didn't actually hunt.

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How I was raised it mattered a hell of a lot more how dependable of a person you were in the field and what you did to contribute to putting meat on the table for the hunting party. I guess that's where things differ; I was raised its  all about the hunt and not so much about the size of the kill.

Some of my best family friends now hunt almost exclusively through guides and I have the utmost respect for them. They are impressive hunters and reliable woodsman. I certainly am not crapping on this guys hunts because he has money. I'm just NOT going to give him blind praise because he killed a large animal. Especially when the large animals he kills are on paid tags and in areas where the public is not free to hunt. If he hunts a public OTC tag every now and then, honestly that would change the way I feel about this.

Sounds like he is a good guy SO GOOD FOR HIM, I mean that. Sounds like a lot know nothing about him and think he is amazing for killing large elk and deer every year on paid tags and exclusive guided hunts. For me "the hunt"  is about so much more than that.

It's totally fine to have your view point. Honestly I was raised similar to you. But there is an old adage, if you don't have something nice to say don't say anything at all. No one is asking you to give him blind praise. We are merely asking that you don't post something negative. Sometimes it's just better to not post anything at all.

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Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: MtnMuley on December 05, 2015, 07:25:34 AM
Bearpaw, curious as to why my post was deleted? It was in no way disrespectful. Anybody who has actually hunted or been to the Jicarilla would understand what I wrote and chuckle. You should make sure you read what was written instead of targeting. :hello:
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: Kazekurt on December 05, 2015, 07:36:55 AM
I've always said it would be sweet if Boone and Crockett had a record book for public land, OTC, DIY hunts and everyone actually was honest in maintaining the integrity of that book.  Now, don't get me wrong, I don't hunt for awards or recognition as stated in my earlier post; it would just be interesting to have A benchmark for hunters who only hunt that way.  We could call it the Randy Newberg category as he is probably the celebrity Hunter who best advocates this style of hunting. On a different note,  I love seeing the pics of the hunters who obtain these special tags because it reminds me that incredible genetics are out there and on any given day, no matter how unlikely, it is possible for me to cross paths with animals of that caliber😄.
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: huntnphool on December 05, 2015, 08:18:40 AM
Smiling, not guilty.

For "weathergirl"
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: bearpaw on December 05, 2015, 05:47:05 PM
Bearpaw, curious as to why my post was deleted? It was in no way disrespectful. Anybody who has actually hunted or been to the Jicarilla would understand what I wrote and chuckle. You should make sure you read what was written instead of targeting. :hello:

You essentially said you have no respect for him.
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: wsmnut on December 05, 2015, 06:10:50 PM
Wow! Great buck.  Very glad we got to see it.

Wouldn't blame successful hunters of really big animals if they didn't post on here.
I'd think twice if I ever got that lucky.
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: PolarBear on December 05, 2015, 06:18:15 PM
Great buck!  I see the beer business is still treating him well.   :chuckle:  We use to do a lot of business with him.
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: Bushcraft on December 06, 2015, 12:12:15 AM
Really nice looking buck.  Congrats!  Can you tell us more about the hunt?
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: Bean Counter on December 06, 2015, 03:16:58 AM
Great buck!  I see the beer business is still treating him well.   :chuckle:  We use to do a lot of business with him.

I was curious what line of work he's in.

Congrats, Mr. Agnew :brew:  :chuckle:
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: The Weazle on December 06, 2015, 10:37:06 AM
I've shot 3 cow elk on the Jicarilla, and its always awesome to go out there and hunt.  We always see many large deer and elk and always get our cows. 

Congrats to the hunter on a great buck!
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: MtnMuley on December 06, 2015, 11:01:52 AM
Bearpaw, curious as to why my post was deleted? It was in no way disrespectful. Anybody who has actually hunted or been to the Jicarilla would understand what I wrote and chuckle. You should make sure you read what was written instead of targeting. :hello:

You essentially said you have no respect for him.

Are you kidding me? The hell I did. I've never spoke a bad word about the guy ever. I don't care if you like me, but do NOT make untrue accusations up, regardless if you own this site.
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: billythekidrock on December 06, 2015, 11:13:39 AM
What I don't get is why Dan doesn't post these himself under his own account?
3 posts in a year and all are pics of great animals and Dan? Is this a dummy account?
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 06, 2015, 11:15:25 AM
What I don't get is why Dan doesn't post these himself under his own account?
3 posts in a year and all are pics of great animals and Dan? Is this a dummy account?

Dan Agnew's 2014 San Carlos Monster
434" Gross

Nice work Dan![/
size]

 :lol4:
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: trophyhunt on December 06, 2015, 11:17:13 AM
Great buck!  I see the beer business is still treating him well.   :chuckle:  We use to do a lot of business with him.

I was curious what line of work he's in.

Congrats, Mr. Agnew :brew:  :chuckle:
he also owns around 6,000 acres in the Margaret unit that produces a ton of money in fir bows each year. 
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: L8NITE on December 06, 2015, 04:37:59 PM
WOW what a hog...congrats to the Hunter that is a mighty nice Buck!!!
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: bearpaw on December 27, 2015, 02:13:00 PM
Bearpaw, curious as to why my post was deleted? It was in no way disrespectful. Anybody who has actually hunted or been to the Jicarilla would understand what I wrote and chuckle. You should make sure you read what was written instead of targeting. :hello:

You essentially said you have no respect for him.

Are you kidding me? The hell I did. I've never spoke a bad word about the guy ever. I don't care if you like me, but do NOT make untrue accusations up, regardless if you own this site.

The post I removed:
Quote
I wonder if he stopped in Dulce for a beer with the locals on the porch of the only alcohol joint on the rez?? I will have more respect for him then.

Cool off, I don't know who you are and it doesn't matter, perhaps I misunderstood your comment? It came across to me as disrespectful so I removed it just as I remove other disrespectful comments in success topics regardless of who posts them. If it was some kind of inside joke that I don't understand please explain? Definitely nothing to get too worked up over! Just trying to keep nasty/snide comments off of success topics!  :tup:
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: The Weazle on December 27, 2015, 09:09:09 PM
Bearpaw, curious as to why my post was deleted? It was in no way disrespectful. Anybody who has actually hunted or been to the Jicarilla would understand what I wrote and chuckle. You should make sure you read what was written instead of targeting. :hello:

You essentially said you have no respect for him.

Are you kidding me? The hell I did. I've never spoke a bad word about the guy ever. I don't care if you like me, but do NOT make untrue accusations up, regardless if you own this site.

The post I removed:
Quote
I wonder if he stopped in Dulce for a beer with the locals on the porch of the only alcohol joint on the rez?? I will have more respect for him then.

Cool off, I don't know who you are and it doesn't matter, perhaps I misunderstood your comment? It came across to me as disrespectful so I removed it just as I remove other disrespectful comments in success topics regardless of who posts them. If it was some kind of inside joke that I don't understand please explain? Definitely nothing to get too worked up over! Just trying to keep nasty/snide comments off of success topics!  :tup:

I've been in that joint, and the casino.  The casino is OK after dark, the "bar", not so much.  It's a tough crowd.  But other than that place, I have been treated very well, and have nothing but positive things to say.  I wish I could afford a bull or a trophy mule deer hunt.  Until then, going and shooting a cow with my dad is quality time in the field, and quality meat.
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: M_ray on December 27, 2015, 09:24:49 PM
Thats a giant! Congrats  :tup:
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: actionshooter on December 27, 2015, 09:27:58 PM
Wow, great buck!
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: PolarBear on December 27, 2015, 09:54:55 PM
Great buck!  I see the beer business is still treating him well.   :chuckle:  We use to do a lot of business with him.

I was curious what line of work he's in.

Congrats, Mr. Agnew :brew:  :chuckle:
C.O.O. of Mt. Hood Beverage.  They were one of our biggest distributors of Henry Weinhard's beer.
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: ribka on December 29, 2015, 10:24:42 AM
its a forum and folks are allowed to express their opinions in a respectful way. ( unless it involves politics :chuckle: :chuckle:) i think you expressed your feelings quite well AK :tup: I like hunt wa because of the different opinions and the ton of experience on here wheter it be trucks, atv's, sopes, politics, economics, mule deer, photography, guiding  etc.. Some posts even make you question your own opinions

its a really nice buck. Would I rather read a multi paragraph DYI story of a DYI OTC hunt with a similar pic.? Yep I would but this hunter is obviously very passionate about hunting and is a decent guy by all accounts so a big congrats to him. Would I do the same hunt now that i am older, not as mobile if I had the financial means. Yep I would. 20 years ago this type of hunt would not have interested me to be honest.

 I think it is more of a frustration thing for a lot of sportsmen when they see tribal trophy pics, or high priced trophy pics, me included sometimes btw, that our hunting oportunities are diminishing,  or so it seems,  year by year and the price to hunt and/or fish seems to be just going up and up and out of reach for many sportsmen.

hopefully that trophy deer will be a a sports show in the future so i can see it up close

.
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: Rainier10 on December 29, 2015, 11:30:24 AM
Not sure how I missed this but awesome buck.
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: ELKBURGER on December 29, 2015, 11:56:02 AM
What I don't get is why Dan doesn't post these himself under his own account?
3 posts in a year and all are pics of great animals and Dan? Is this a dummy account?

Dan Agnew's 2014 San Carlos Monster
434" Gross

Nice work Dan![/
size]

 :lol4:
FYI, Doubledrop is legit. I'm sure he has his reasons for his limited posts on here. Frankly if it wasn't for his posts of Mr. Agnews successes, we would be unaware of them. I know I enjoy seeing them.
Sweet Buck!
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 29, 2015, 12:05:14 PM
I wasn't intending to impugn Doubledrop or Mr. Agnew.

I was just chuckling at the thought of that being an account operated by Dan.  :hello:
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: ELKBURGER on December 29, 2015, 12:10:25 PM
 :tup: :hello: I can see why some would question. Doubledrop is the most dedicated hunter I personally know. He's also the busiest person I know!
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: boneaddict on December 29, 2015, 12:40:44 PM
Mr. Agnew has been on this site for some time.   I appreciate his willingness to contribute.   
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: The Weazle on December 29, 2015, 08:00:08 PM
Mr. Agnew has been on this site for some time.   I appreciate his willingness to contribute.

 :yeah:
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: nwhunter on December 31, 2015, 09:45:15 PM
Maybe doubledrop should post some of his own pics of critters he has taken :chuckle: Boy what a following he would have on here with his DYI Dinks........but that aint gonna happen Happy New Year fellas
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: RadSav on December 31, 2015, 11:12:04 PM
Great buck!  I see the beer business is still treating him well.   :chuckle:  We use to do a lot of business with him.
I was curious what line of work he's in.
C.O.O. of Mt. Hood Beverage.  They were one of our biggest distributors of Henry Weinhard's beer.

I was under the impression The Agnew Co. ended their CoHo relationship three or four years ago.

I would very much like to have a burger and a Henry's with Mr. Agnew one of these days.  Seems like a good guy and a man with a lot of stories to tell.  Seems he and the family organization have done a lot of good things for families and businesses in the Northwest as well as for wildlife.
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 31, 2015, 11:18:59 PM
He's been doin allotta logging the last few years....
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: RadSav on December 31, 2015, 11:33:20 PM
He's been doin allotta logging the last few years....

Did they buy a third tree farm?  I had heard rumors earlier in the year they would be adding to the Centralia and St.Helens Noble.  But I've never seen a formal/official write up or article about it.  Been wondering if it was another wildfire rumor or if there was something to it.
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: ELKBURGER on January 01, 2016, 06:20:03 AM
Maybe doubledrop should post some of his own pics of critters he has taken :chuckle: Boy what a following he would have on here with his DYI Dinks........but that aint gonna happen Happy New Year fellas
Yes he's got some dandy critters. But he has his reasons and I respect him for that.
Title: Re: 2015 Jicarilla Buck
Post by: nwhunter on January 01, 2016, 10:19:58 PM
Maybe doubledrop should post some of his own pics of critters he has taken :chuckle: Boy what a following he would have on here with his DYI Dinks........but that aint gonna happen Happy New Year fellas
Yes he's got some dandy critters. But he has his reasons and I respect him for that.
 Oh I do too just trying to get a rise out of him but don't think he wastes much of his time on here :)
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