Post by: bigbeamhunter on December 06, 2015, 01:57:11 AM
Check it out of his Facebook page.
Post by: TikkaT3-270Shortmag on December 06, 2015, 02:26:23 AM
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Post by: grundy53 on December 06, 2015, 06:42:00 AM
He could be driving back from the coast and stopped off in Goldendale to sleep. Unless there is Blacktails in GoldendaleThere is no snow anywhere near the coast right now.
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Post by: bobcat on December 06, 2015, 09:18:00 AM
Quote
Jim Burnworth
December 3 at 1:17pm · Edited ·
I'm so proud right now! Huge Blacktail BUCK! It's a stag buck still in velvet! Can't Breed! Really special deer!
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=808682055907548&id=117605208348573
Post by: robertsjd on December 06, 2015, 10:44:30 AM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on December 06, 2015, 11:20:04 AM
The sad thing is that new hunters buy into this attitude. There is so much more to hunting and enjoying hunting than taking the biggest trophy on your block. But the people selling hunting gear and hunts have to have a way to persuade you to buy their junk, so they make you think it will help you be cool by taking a trophy. TV hunters jobs are to sell hunting paraphernalia. Unfortunately to accomplish that they have sold the idea that the only good harvest is a trophy harvest.
Post by: dadeo316 on December 06, 2015, 11:47:19 AM
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Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on December 06, 2015, 11:51:53 AM
December 3rd and still in velvet??? I dont think so tim!
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Post by: Rick on December 06, 2015, 12:04:09 PM
Isn't he the same guy who claimed the bull elk he killed in the Graham area would qualify as a Roosevelt elk in the Boone & Crocket book?
What else other than Roosevelt would it be?
Post by: bobcat on December 06, 2015, 12:10:03 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 06, 2015, 12:11:55 PM
Post by: Curly on December 06, 2015, 12:14:30 PM
Post by: Rick on December 06, 2015, 12:16:12 PM
Rocky Mountain
In Graham?
Post by: emac on December 06, 2015, 12:39:29 PM
December 3rd and still in velvet??? I dont think so tim!I said a mule deer buck still in velvet yesterday
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Post by: bearhunter99 on December 06, 2015, 12:57:00 PM
Jim's post on Facebook:QuoteJim Burnworth
December 3 at 1:17pm · Edited ·
I'm so proud right now! Huge Blacktail BUCK! It's a stag buck still in velvet! Can't Breed! Really special deer!
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=808682055907548&id=117605208348573
He's getting roasted on FB too...
Post by: PastorJoel on December 06, 2015, 02:13:42 PM
I don't think those Kuiu pants are fire resistant.
HAHAHA!!!
Post by: haugenna on December 06, 2015, 02:39:52 PM
Post by: JDHasty on December 06, 2015, 02:56:19 PM
Post by: Odell on December 06, 2015, 03:08:33 PM
I could *almost* give him a pass on calling it a blacktail until he said the coast...that is a bold faced lie... oh my word...
Post by: Simcoe hunter on December 06, 2015, 03:23:00 PM
I could be wrong here, but I don't think Columbia blacktail range in Washington includes ponderosa pine forests.
The second thing is this- there is a lot of inter-breeding between blacktail and muley in 388 and the western half of 382. My dad is retired from Department of Fisheries/Department of Game/DFW(he worked for all 3 outfits). While with DFW he helped collar deer at the Klickitat Wildlife area and talks of deer going as far as Longview and Bickleton. Just because DFW says 388 is east side didn't all of a sudden change the genetics and stop the migrations. 388 and a lot of 382 are mutts.
And I am learning that half the people, especially pros, may have in ingested too much scat over their lifetimes.
:twocents:
:twocents:
Post by: JDHasty on December 06, 2015, 04:01:38 PM
Gee, anyone else recognize a pattern?
Perhaps Burnworth can get his buddy Matthew Alwine to vouch for his character and clear this all up.
Post by: bobcat on December 06, 2015, 04:03:57 PM
Rocky Mountain
In Graham?
Yes, by Boone & Crockett standards.
Post by: haugenna on December 06, 2015, 04:25:58 PM
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Post by: eastfork on December 06, 2015, 09:38:57 PM
Post by: buglebuster on December 06, 2015, 10:16:24 PM
That's funny, I wonder if he will respond to the comments? :chuckle:He hasn't responded to mine! I let him have it :chuckle:
Post by: jstone on December 07, 2015, 07:40:58 AM
Post by: ELKBURGER on December 07, 2015, 10:25:59 AM
He hasn't responded to any of them...He is getting blasted in most comments. Dbag for sure!That's funny, I wonder if he will respond to the comments? :chuckle:He hasn't responded to mine! I let him have it :chuckle:
Post by: Jarhead Chase on December 07, 2015, 11:08:20 AM
Post by: grundy53 on December 07, 2015, 11:15:50 AM
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Post by: JDHasty on December 07, 2015, 11:53:51 AM
And how about: I was within two hours of Portland. If that is the standard a guy could shoot an elk in Montana and claim that he was within two hours of Spokane and by God that makes it eligible to be considered a record book Washington State elk. How preposterous is that? What a clown.
Post by: grundy53 on December 07, 2015, 12:00:34 PM
Oh my God! You could tell that he knows that he is as stuck as a bug on flypaper. He absolutely knows that that deer is NOT a coastal blacktail it is what we call a benchleg.No Kidding. It was on the east side of the cascades but it was within 2 hours of Portland so that makes it a coastal Blacktail. Plus it smelled like a Blacktail. :chuckle:
And how about: I was within two hours of Portland. If that is the standard a guy could shoot an elk in Montana and claim that he was within two hours of Spokane and by God that makes it eligible to be considered a record book Washington State elk. How preposterous is that? What a clown.
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Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 07, 2015, 12:01:28 PM
Post by: 2labs on December 07, 2015, 12:03:03 PM
It's a nice buck, just call it what it is. BENCHLEG. And Goldendale is not coastal.
P.S. I've been known to smell like a blacktail.
Post by: JDHasty on December 07, 2015, 12:18:24 PM
If this were not the first time I had seen someone trying to pull off a variation on this same scheme.....
If this same individual had not tried to claim that an elk shot east of I-5 was a State record Roosevelt....
If this outfitter did not have a reputation of being sketchy....
You can see where I am going with this. Call me less than generous if you want, but I kinda' tend to not allow "benefit of the doubt" when doing so stretches credulity to the breaking point.
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 07, 2015, 12:27:42 PM
Post by: JDHasty on December 07, 2015, 12:43:33 PM
https://www.boone-crockett.org/bgRecords/records_boundaries.asp?area=bgRecords
Mapquest can't locate Cook Wa, but it can locate Zipcode 98605
From Mapquest:
1hr 11min 56.7mi from Zip Code 98605 -> Goldendale.
1hr 22min 65.2mi from Portland -> Zip Code 98605
2hr 4min 110.0mi from Portland -> Goldendale
I would like to think I have a pretty good sniffer on me, but I think I would be hard pressed to be able to detect whether I was sniffing a blacktail or a mule deer unless I detected cedar or doug fir or fern on the former and sage or some such on the latter. But that doesn't mean that I can't sniff out a BSer and what we have here is a B&C class example.
Post by: mdbuck5x5 on December 07, 2015, 12:44:25 PM
Post by: JDHasty on December 07, 2015, 01:50:46 PM
2 hours ago
Why are sportsman separated at heart why should we defend our selves from each other. We all have a deer tag and we are a free blooded American who has the freedom of choice on how to use it. We need to stand untied! Who's with me?
Oh for God's sake - give it up. You have been caught.
What the heck does any of this have to do with him being found out to be a four-flusher? Is he saying that all sportsmen have an obligation to defend the indefensible? If not, what is he trying to convey? We all may have a deer tag and I guess I could use my deer tag and shoot a three point mule deer w/brow tines that is fairly common in Wenatchee and take the antlers to a taxi and tell him that the rack came off a monster of a blacktail that I shot and it sure smelled like a blacktail and I am an expert blacktail sniffer if ever there was one. Mount these up for me and by the way I need a new cape because the other one was shot through w/a bullet hole.
Once I get it home and have it hanging on my wall and another hunter comes by to take a look and he says: Hey I saw you in Wenatchee . In fact I saw a video you posted online and that buck was in two feet of snow and was that not Badger Mountain in the background? Do I come back and say: Wenatchee is home to Puget Sound Coastal blacktails dontcha' know? Why it is only two hours drive from Everette to Wenatchee dontcha' know?
And this jerk just doesn't know when to put the shovel down and stop digging.
Post by: Evil_EdwardO on December 07, 2015, 02:10:25 PM
It says: BUILT FORD TOUGH, on the side which we al know that's not right.... :tup:
He's driving a Coastal Chevy.
Post by: 2labs on December 07, 2015, 02:18:07 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on December 07, 2015, 02:19:43 PM
Post by: bobcat on December 07, 2015, 02:22:06 PM
I always stand "untied" with my fellow hunters.
:chuckle:
Also, I had to wonder what is a "free blooded" American?
Post by: h2ofowlr on December 07, 2015, 02:30:30 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on December 07, 2015, 02:46:05 PM
I think he is being redundant, "free blooded" and "untied" are basically the same thing.I always stand "untied" with my fellow hunters.
:chuckle:
Also, I had to wonder what is a "free blooded" American?
Post by: 2MANY on December 07, 2015, 03:51:29 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on December 07, 2015, 07:10:02 PM
"text removed due to threat of lawsuit"
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 07, 2015, 07:17:07 PM
I talked to a room cleaner there who said he defiantly was pursuing black tail.Doubt there's a large herd in Goldendale.
Post by: haugenna on December 07, 2015, 07:59:39 PM
I am confusing jimmy burnworth with jimmy bigtime.
Post by: Curly on December 07, 2015, 08:19:16 PM
Post by: JDHasty on December 07, 2015, 08:19:41 PM
I had to go on the Twisted Horn page and comment, wonder how long before I get blocked and my comment removed... Blatant misrepresentation seems to be a profitable marketing strategy...
That *censored* outfit is a real piece of work. Blatant misrepresentation is about right, and featured right at the top of their Facebook page.
Burnwood claims he can smell the difference between a blacktail and a mule deer in his "damage control" video clip. I'm skeptical. But what I am not the least bit skeptical of, at this point, is that our rat sniffers are working quite well and we smell a rat. Obviously rats like company, seems the further we look into this we have sniffed out a rat nest.
"text removed due to threat of lawsuit"
Post by: Coastal_native on December 07, 2015, 10:49:08 PM
Post by: GoldenOscar on December 07, 2015, 11:15:08 PM
If he had a valid tag, It was in season, He can afford a guide then good for him.
(Did he say he was entering it in the record books?)
Be happy Jim brought some extra revenue to the area, He seems to be a better representative for the hunting community than a lot of people on TV.....
Post by: JDHasty on December 08, 2015, 06:10:14 AM
People have been back and forth on the deer in the Goldendale area for a long time, is it a Blacktail or a Mule deer or a benchleg?......who cares?
If he had a valid tag, It was in season, He can afford a guide then good for him.
(Did he say he was entering it in the record books?)
Be happy Jim brought some extra revenue to the area, He seems to be a better representative for the hunting community than a lot of people on TV.....
Is it also OK with you if he went to AK or the Yukon and bagged a trophy moose then hung it on his wall and in future years claimed it was taken in the Mt Spokane area. He isn't breaking any laws, has a valid tag and brought revenue to a rural community and probably would also interest others in spending money hunting in the Mt Spokane area. Is this OK?
OK, so what if he takes a 1968 Mustang and cobbles together a Shelby GT500 KR? So long as he is doing it for his own enjoyment... I don't have any problem what he tells people, BUT if he tries to sell it then he has crossed the line. If he tries to sell video of it as the genuine article.... Once the thing in question has been monetized, you are 100% on the hook. That deer was monetized the minute both the hunter who makes his living, and the guide who makes their living, off of it misrepresented it they were guilty of fraud.
Post by: kingmountain on December 08, 2015, 06:37:39 AM
For some reason I'm having a hard time getting upset about this. I was more upset when I found out that Bruce Willis was dead in the Sixth Sense...that was a lot better television too. Is this really a big deal? I've never heard a hunting or fishing story that wasn't at least 25% made up.http://hunting-washington.com/smf/Smileys/default/yeahthat.gif
Post by: fireweed on December 08, 2015, 06:44:18 AM
People have been back and forth on the deer in the Goldendale area for a long time, is it a Blacktail or a Mule deer or a benchleg?......who cares?I almost agree. If you watch many of these "shows" you can call BS on them often. They mostly lie by omission--(PS it was shot over apples on a ranch). But most real hunters notice the inconsistencies. It's reality TV and full of bull (no pun) just like we know Axemen is full of it. Where he went overboard was repeating and stressing that this deer was a blacktail, when everyone knows they are mixed, just like those monster "blacktails" from Ca.
If he had a valid tag, It was in season, He can afford a guide then good for him.
(Did he say he was entering it in the record books?)
Be happy Jim brought some extra revenue to the area, He seems to be a better representative for the hunting community than a lot of people on TV.....
Post by: birddogdad on December 08, 2015, 08:23:54 AM
sure, guided, filmed most likely taken on private lands.. I know I cant afford that $$$$ kind of hunting pay to play hunting but it is still great to see these nice animals taken around the country. I enjoy his show but really pass on the local episodes. its very easy to pick them apart, knowing local details. For the avg person across the country, its great media and the good folks of Goldendale will probably benefit from this advertisement. Does anyone really think these shows are anything more than mostly private canned baited hunts?
I would wonder how much money Lee &Tiffany or the Drury's shell out annually to manage, raise, feed and have private filmed hunting adventures that look like there are monster bucks behind every corn stalk? At least Burnworth walks and stalks with a bow (mostly), could be taking pot shots from 3/4 mile away and selling long range shooting, not seeing the 14 out takes and misses....
I think most would give a kidney to be able to walk in those shoes, I know if I could hunt 24/7 all over the world, I would certainly not be on here!!! One positive note, he was quick to retract the spoken location on his facebook page as "coastal" after all this backlash and I know this wont have any effect on those who are so down on him but worth saying.
Post by: jackelope on December 08, 2015, 08:29:41 AM
December 3rd and still in velvet??? I dont think so tim!
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Cactus buck. No nuts. No testosterone. No velvet shed.
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 08, 2015, 08:35:21 AM
Post by: jackelope on December 08, 2015, 08:54:38 AM
He said it's a Columbia Blacktail from the coastal range. Then his apology video he says no mistakes were made. It was a Blacktail, not a mule deer. Wow.
Post by: birddogdad on December 08, 2015, 08:55:08 AM
"Columbia Blacktail" maybe that refers to being within 2 hours of the Columbia River :o
so I understand your spin, I live in kitsap, 3 hours from Columbia and I shoot western blacktails here... a bit of research I did has (2) record book definitions:
Northwest Big Game record site, there is no classification for a "Columbia blacktail", only Mule, Cascade blacktail and western blacktail. http://www.nwbiggame.com/graphics/maps/WA_blacktail_map_lg.gif
B&C does have a Columbia blacktail and has a boundary as follows:
Washington — Beginning at the Washington-British Columbia border, the boundary line runs south along the west boundary of North Cascades National Park to the range line between R10E and R11E, Willamette Meridian, which is then followed directly south to its intersection with the township line between T18N and T17N, which is then followed westward until it connects with the north border of Mt. Rainier National Park, then along the north, west and south park boundaries until it intersects with the range line between R9E and R10E, Willamette Meridian, which is then followed directly south to the Columbia River near Cook. (This is right at the 141 ALT intersection of 14, very clearly west of Goldendale). http://www.boone-crockett.org/bgRecords/records_boundaries.asp?area=bgRecords
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He said it's a Columbia Blacktail from the coastal range. Then his apology video he says no mistakes were made. It was a Blacktail, not a mule deer. Wow.
Never have seen a show but after seeing this stuff all I can think is that this guy is a TOOL. Not going to hate him but he is a chump.
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 08, 2015, 09:06:29 AM
"Columbia Blacktail" maybe that refers to being within 2 hours of the Columbia River :o
so I understand your spin, I live in kitsap, 3 hours from Columbia and I shoot western blacktails here... a bit of research I did has (2) record book definitions:
Northwest Big Game record site, there is no classification for a "Columbia blacktail", only Mule, Cascade blacktail and western blacktail. http://www.nwbiggame.com/graphics/maps/WA_blacktail_map_lg.gif
B&C does have a Columbia blacktail and has a boundary as follows:
Washington — Beginning at the Washington-British Columbia border, the boundary line runs south along the west boundary of North Cascades National Park to the range line between R10E and R11E, Willamette Meridian, which is then followed directly south to its intersection with the township line between T18N and T17N, which is then followed westward until it connects with the north border of Mt. Rainier National Park, then along the north, west and south park boundaries until it intersects with the range line between R9E and R10E, Willamette Meridian, which is then followed directly south to the Columbia River near Cook. (This is right at the 141 ALT intersection of 14, very clearly west of Goldendale). http://www.boone-crockett.org/bgRecords/records_boundaries.asp?area=bgRecords
Thanks for the follow up but please, let it be known that I was joking ;)
Post by: jackelope on December 08, 2015, 09:09:19 AM
"Columbia Blacktail" maybe that refers to being within 2 hours of the Columbia River :o
so I understand your spin, I live in kitsap, 3 hours from Columbia and I shoot western blacktails here... a bit of research I did has (2) record book definitions:
Northwest Big Game record site, there is no classification for a "Columbia blacktail", only Mule, Cascade blacktail and western blacktail. http://www.nwbiggame.com/graphics/maps/WA_blacktail_map_lg.gif
B&C does have a Columbia blacktail and has a boundary as follows:
Washington — Beginning at the Washington-British Columbia border, the boundary line runs south along the west boundary of North Cascades National Park to the range line between R10E and R11E, Willamette Meridian, which is then followed directly south to its intersection with the township line between T18N and T17N, which is then followed westward until it connects with the north border of Mt. Rainier National Park, then along the north, west and south park boundaries until it intersects with the range line between R9E and R10E, Willamette Meridian, which is then followed directly south to the Columbia River near Cook. (This is right at the 141 ALT intersection of 14, very clearly west of Goldendale). http://www.boone-crockett.org/bgRecords/records_boundaries.asp?area=bgRecords
He's talking Boone and Crockett. It's not a Columbian black tail.
His bull with Barbour was not a Roosevelt by B&C standards, which he also claimed if I'm not mistaken.
Post by: birddogdad on December 08, 2015, 09:12:51 AM
"Columbia Blacktail" maybe that refers to being within 2 hours of the Columbia River :o
so I understand your spin, I live in kitsap, 3 hours from Columbia and I shoot western blacktails here... a bit of research I did has (2) record book definitions:
Northwest Big Game record site, there is no classification for a "Columbia blacktail", only Mule, Cascade blacktail and western blacktail. http://www.nwbiggame.com/graphics/maps/WA_blacktail_map_lg.gif
B&C does have a Columbia blacktail and has a boundary as follows:
Washington — Beginning at the Washington-British Columbia border, the boundary line runs south along the west boundary of North Cascades National Park to the range line between R10E and R11E, Willamette Meridian, which is then followed directly south to its intersection with the township line between T18N and T17N, which is then followed westward until it connects with the north border of Mt. Rainier National Park, then along the north, west and south park boundaries until it intersects with the range line between R9E and R10E, Willamette Meridian, which is then followed directly south to the Columbia River near Cook. (This is right at the 141 ALT intersection of 14, very clearly west of Goldendale). http://www.boone-crockett.org/bgRecords/records_boundaries.asp?area=bgRecords
He's talking Boone and Crockett. It's not a Columbian black tail.
His bull with Barbour was not a Roosevelt by B&C standards, which he also claimed if I'm not mistaken.
don't know about any elk discussed but clearly it is NOT B&C or Northwest Big Game defined Columbia Blacktail, regardless genetics, it will not qualify in the area taken as such (if location is submitted). its easily 30-50 miles east of defining lines
Post by: JDHasty on December 08, 2015, 09:45:45 AM
"Columbia Blacktail" maybe that refers to being within 2 hours of the Columbia River :o
so I understand your spin, I live in kitsap, 3 hours from Columbia and I shoot western blacktails here... a bit of research I did has (2) record book definitions:
Northwest Big Game record site, there is no classification for a "Columbia blacktail", only Mule, Cascade blacktail and western blacktail. http://www.nwbiggame.com/graphics/maps/WA_blacktail_map_lg.gif
B&C does have a Columbia blacktail and has a boundary as follows:
Washington — Beginning at the Washington-British Columbia border, the boundary line runs south along the west boundary of North Cascades National Park to the range line between R10E and R11E, Willamette Meridian, which is then followed directly south to its intersection with the township line between T18N and T17N, which is then followed westward until it connects with the north border of Mt. Rainier National Park, then along the north, west and south park boundaries until it intersects with the range line between R9E and R10E, Willamette Meridian, which is then followed directly south to the Columbia River near Cook. (This is right at the 141 ALT intersection of 14, very clearly west of Goldendale). http://www.boone-crockett.org/bgRecords/records_boundaries.asp?area=bgRecords
Not just west of Goldendale, sixty miles west of Goldendale.
Post by: JDHasty on December 08, 2015, 09:46:36 AM
"Columbia Blacktail" maybe that refers to being within 2 hours of the Columbia River :o
so I understand your spin, I live in kitsap, 3 hours from Columbia and I shoot western blacktails here... a bit of research I did has (2) record book definitions:
Northwest Big Game record site, there is no classification for a "Columbia blacktail", only Mule, Cascade blacktail and western blacktail. http://www.nwbiggame.com/graphics/maps/WA_blacktail_map_lg.gif
B&C does have a Columbia blacktail and has a boundary as follows:
Washington — Beginning at the Washington-British Columbia border, the boundary line runs south along the west boundary of North Cascades National Park to the range line between R10E and R11E, Willamette Meridian, which is then followed directly south to its intersection with the township line between T18N and T17N, which is then followed westward until it connects with the north border of Mt. Rainier National Park, then along the north, west and south park boundaries until it intersects with the range line between R9E and R10E, Willamette Meridian, which is then followed directly south to the Columbia River near Cook. (This is right at the 141 ALT intersection of 14, very clearly west of Goldendale). http://www.boone-crockett.org/bgRecords/records_boundaries.asp?area=bgRecords
He's talking Boone and Crockett. It's not a Columbian black tail.
His bull with Barbour was not a Roosevelt by B&C standards, which he also claimed if I'm not mistaken.
You are not mistaken
Post by: JDHasty on December 08, 2015, 09:53:44 AM
People have been back and forth on the deer in the Goldendale area for a long time, is it a Blacktail or a Mule deer or a benchleg?......who cares?I almost agree. If you watch many of these "shows" you can call BS on them often. They mostly lie by omission--(PS it was shot over apples on a ranch). But most real hunters notice the inconsistencies. It's reality TV and full of bull (no pun) just like we know Axemen is full of it. Where he went overboard was repeating and stressing that this deer was a blacktail, when everyone knows they are mixed, just like those monster "blacktails" from Ca.
If he had a valid tag, It was in season, He can afford a guide then good for him.
(Did he say he was entering it in the record books?)
Be happy Jim brought some extra revenue to the area, He seems to be a better representative for the hunting community than a lot of people on TV.....
Do you really believe that he had any out of pocket expense for the guide?
Post by: JDHasty on December 08, 2015, 10:18:51 AM
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He said it's a Columbia Blacktail from the coastal range. Then his apology video he says no mistakes were made. It was a Blacktail, not a mule deer. Wow.
Never have seen a show but after seeing this stuff all I can think is that this guy is a TOOL. Not going to hate him but he is a chump.
I don't even have television and have never seen the show either.
I don't hate the guy, but that doesn't mean that I don't have an opinion regarding people who misrepresent benchlegs or mule deer as blacktail deer. It is one thing for a neophyte to make that mistake, but this guy is supposedly expert on the subject...
He his hunting with a guide service, is he going on their word? But then how do you clear him when he says he is an expert on blacktail, has hunted them in Tillamook and can even smell a difference between blacktail and mule deer.
How about the unsuspecting hunter from outside of this area (this is a show w/a national audience) who is interested in taking a nice trophy Columbia blacktail or coastal blacktail buck? He watches the program, he is a Burnworth fan and so he gets in contact w/Twisted Horn Outfitters. Maybe he just took up the sport of hunting within the last couple years and is just getting started.
He takes what he thinks is a record book blacktail and then he tries to enter it in the books. So, before a person calls and books a coastal blacktail or Columbia blacktail hunt is that individual obligated to do....... you tell me how much research before booking the trip?
If a person calls *censored* Outfitters and asks to book a Columbia blacktail or coastal blacktail hunt something tells me that they are not going to set the record straight and will just book the trip. Does this Burnworth bear any moral responsibility for someone mistakenly booking a trophy Columbia blacktail or coastal blacktail hunt in Goldendale? Heck, a guy from Nebraska isn't going to know that Goldendale is considered central Washington.
"text removed due to threat of lawsuit"
Post by: 2labs on December 08, 2015, 10:24:36 AM
I thought I was Joe average mule deer guy. I'm a Blacktail trophy god.
Post by: cbond3318 on December 08, 2015, 10:46:41 AM
I just realized, my shop is full of booner "blacktails". I should be famous!!! :chuckle:
I thought I was Joe average mule deer guy. I'm a Blacktail trophy god.
On the contrary Edward, one must be able to smell the difference to reach godly status.
Post by: 2labs on December 08, 2015, 10:54:12 AM
15 minutes! That's all I wanted!
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on December 08, 2015, 11:19:28 AM
"Columbia Blacktail" maybe that refers to being within 2 hours of the Columbia River :o
so I understand your spin, I live in kitsap, 3 hours from Columbia and I shoot western blacktails here... a bit of research I did has (2) record book definitions:
Northwest Big Game record site, there is no classification for a "Columbia blacktail", only Mule, Cascade blacktail and western blacktail. http://www.nwbiggame.com/graphics/maps/WA_blacktail_map_lg.gif
B&C does have a Columbia blacktail and has a boundary as follows:
Washington — Beginning at the Washington-British Columbia border, the boundary line runs south along the west boundary of North Cascades National Park to the range line between R10E and R11E, Willamette Meridian, which is then followed directly south to its intersection with the township line between T18N and T17N, which is then followed westward until it connects with the north border of Mt. Rainier National Park, then along the north, west and south park boundaries until it intersects with the range line between R9E and R10E, Willamette Meridian, which is then followed directly south to the Columbia River near Cook. (This is right at the 141 ALT intersection of 14, very clearly west of Goldendale). http://www.boone-crockett.org/bgRecords/records_boundaries.asp?area=bgRecords
He's talking Boone and Crockett. It's not a Columbian black tail.
His bull with Barbour was not a Roosevelt by B&C standards, which he also claimed if I'm not mistaken.
Boone and Crockett may have their rules for inclusion, but they aren't the defining factor on what is and isn't a Columbian Blacktail or a Roosevelt elk. Their I-5 line for Roosevelts is dumb. I'd like to see the tail on that deer. If it's got a blacktail tail, I have no problem with him calling it a blacktail.
But that said, he claimed he was in the coast range when he was far from it. He was either lying or being evasive. Both are signs that something isn't on the up and up, maybe even not totally legal.
I'm not going to give him any credit as a hunter either if he needs to hire a guide to get the job done.
Post by: JDHasty on December 08, 2015, 11:27:23 AM
That's for sure and for certain.
"I'm not going to give him any credit as a hunter either if he needs to hire a guide to get the job done."
Well I am quite a bit more flexible on that.
This is an old article about my friend Jim Tonkin's Oregon Sheep Hunt: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=19910922&id=gENWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=mOoDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6525,5192645&hl=en
Jim used a guide on this hunt and without doing that it would not have been possible to do the hunt. Probably the greatest hunter/sportsman I have ever met.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 08, 2015, 11:30:48 AM
Yeah, first time I saw Roosevelt elk was in the hills in Missouri. Say what?! Big herds that escaped I guess. Out there having a good ole feast on the acorns."Columbia Blacktail" maybe that refers to being within 2 hours of the Columbia River :o
so I understand your spin, I live in kitsap, 3 hours from Columbia and I shoot western blacktails here... a bit of research I did has (2) record book definitions:
Northwest Big Game record site, there is no classification for a "Columbia blacktail", only Mule, Cascade blacktail and western blacktail. http://www.nwbiggame.com/graphics/maps/WA_blacktail_map_lg.gif
B&C does have a Columbia blacktail and has a boundary as follows:
Washington — Beginning at the Washington-British Columbia border, the boundary line runs south along the west boundary of North Cascades National Park to the range line between R10E and R11E, Willamette Meridian, which is then followed directly south to its intersection with the township line between T18N and T17N, which is then followed westward until it connects with the north border of Mt. Rainier National Park, then along the north, west and south park boundaries until it intersects with the range line between R9E and R10E, Willamette Meridian, which is then followed directly south to the Columbia River near Cook. (This is right at the 141 ALT intersection of 14, very clearly west of Goldendale). http://www.boone-crockett.org/bgRecords/records_boundaries.asp?area=bgRecords
He's talking Boone and Crockett. It's not a Columbian black tail.
His bull with Barbour was not a Roosevelt by B&C standards, which he also claimed if I'm not mistaken.
Boone and Crockett may have their rules for inclusion, but they aren't the defining factor on what is and isn't a Columbian Blacktail or a Roosevelt elk. Their I-5 line for Roosevelts is dumb. I'd like to see the tail on that deer. If it's got a blacktail tail, I have no problem with him calling it a blacktail.
But that said, he claimed he was in the coast range when he was far from it. He was either lying or being evasive. Both are signs that something isn't on the up and up, maybe even not totally legal.
I'm not going to give him any credit as a hunter either if he needs to hire a guide to get the job done.
Post by: eastfork on December 08, 2015, 06:09:28 PM
Post by: woodbow on December 08, 2015, 07:33:21 PM
Post by: kodiak 907 on December 08, 2015, 07:58:39 PM
Post by: JLS on December 08, 2015, 08:37:15 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on December 08, 2015, 08:46:23 PM
TwistedhornTruth Outfitters.......
Fixed it for ya(?) :dunno:
Post by: bobcat on December 08, 2015, 09:03:24 PM
Post by: Reidus on December 08, 2015, 09:06:44 PM
TwistedhornTruth Outfitters.......
Fixed it for ya(?) :dunno:
:chuckle:
Post by: JDHasty on December 09, 2015, 05:05:23 AM
Who cares what he calls it? Why the need to prove him wrong? Is anyone surprised that a TV show would stretch the truth for ratings? I'm not. Don't watch his show.
Because he airs this show nationwide and people from other areas will think that they can book a coastal/Columbia blacktail hunt w/Twisted Truth Outfitters is a good place to start.
Because *censored* Outfitters would not set the record straight if contacted for such a hunt is another reason.
Because this constant "upping the ante" on Television is not in the best interest of the sport, it is one of the things that motivates poor sportsmanship and playing fast and loose with game regulations. These individuals are, like it or not, roll models. It is one thing to push oneself, but it is another thing all together to stretch the truth and test the ability of law enforcement (Allwine) or the ability of other sportsmen (Burnworth) to keep up with your shenanigans. It seems to be a game of "catch me if you can" and in these two cases and more than one or two other recent examples Hunting-Washington visitors have been up to the task.
"text removed due to threat of lawsuit"
Post by: JDHasty on December 09, 2015, 06:04:09 AM
Wow man, who cares? Did you shoot the deer, did you hunt the deer, does it affect your life in any way? DRAMA QUEENS! :bash: Come on fellas, lets move along now. #Tougherskin
Nothing stopping you from "moving on," Nothing making you click on this thread and read it. But then again there is nothing compelling me to read what you have posted. But I am not going to tell you to "move on." I wouldn't do that because I think you have every right to say what you have said, even though what you had to offer impresses me that you are in some way connected to Burnworth and are trying to help him with the damage control effort.
Do you know the man personally? Do you have any relationship with him? Just curious.
Post by: tgomez on December 09, 2015, 06:15:12 AM
Wow man, who cares? Did you shoot the deer, did you hunt the deer, does it affect your life in any way? DRAMA QUEENS! :bash: Come on fellas, lets move along now. #Tougherskin
Nothing stopping you from "moving on," Nothing making you click on this thread and read it. But then again there is nothing compelling me to read what you have posted. But I an not going to tell you to "move on." I wouldn't do that because I think you have every right to say what you have said, even though what you had to offer impresses me that you are in some way connected to Burnworth and are trying to help him with the damage control effort.
Do you know the man personally? Do you have any relationship with him? Just curious.
I don't know that guy at all man. Like I said who cares, at the end of the day it's just meat on the table. That's all hunting is, spending time with loved ones and getting food for the table. Damage control? Jim Burnworth can kiss my ... bud. I just had to post that because people care about little things way too much and it's comical to me, that's all.
Post by: JDHasty on December 09, 2015, 06:28:53 AM
And, no I don't sit up all night at the keyboard... the church next door was damaged in the wind and their alarm started going off at 03:30 and is still shrieking like a banshee.
Post by: tgomez on December 09, 2015, 06:41:30 AM
Post by: dfresh96 on December 09, 2015, 07:57:11 AM
I have also looked through the record book & noticed most of the biggest Blacktail bucks were taken from Klickitat...& have heard the same from other hunters who I have spoke with over the years but this was before the GMU switch...
My opinion is that most deer in area are a mixed breed or aka benchlegs with more Blacktail traits than there Muley cousins....But if I had to pick 1 or the other I would say BlackTail over Muley....IMO this kind of bickering just gives "the MAN" more reason to regulate even more....
I wouldn't say Goldendale is in the coastal range but my family on the eastside do consider anything west of the cascades the coast which I still live 2-3 hours from...
So at what point when driving west from Gdale do you consider it westside/ coastal? I think most would say at the Pacific Crest Trail but that is man made & animals dont follow our rules....
Funny how so many promote shooting wolves by confusing them for coyotes or so forth but bash this guy for calling a deer a blacktail (which he seems to believe it is) when they believe it is a Muley...
Thanks Ahead for any feedback....
Post by: JDHasty on December 09, 2015, 08:19:51 AM
I hear ya. I wasn't trying to take shots. Just making a comment. Look alot of people make a living on lies. Heard of a lawyer, or a the President? Hope the wind isn't too tough on you, it sucks over here in Spokane to. Have a good day man, I have physical training, college classes, and basketball practice to attend to today. Like I said could care less about Jim Burnworth or what he shoots.
Have a good day. I take the train to work and if we get a high tide it is going to get ugly. The Puyallup doesn't have a lot of freeboard left and the Green is already breeching in places.
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 09, 2015, 08:28:27 AM
Funny how so many promote shooting wolves by confusing them for coyotes or so forth but bash this guy for calling a deer a blacktail (which he seems to believe it is) when they believe it is a Muley...
It would be similar to this... if I provided guided fishing trips for landlocked salmon in Riffe Lake but posted pictures of a 5 lb coho from Westport on my webpage.
Post by: JDHasty on December 09, 2015, 08:32:46 AM
Funny how so many promote shooting wolves by confusing them for coyotes or so forth but bash this guy for calling a deer a blacktail (which he seems to believe it is) when they believe it is a Muley...
It would be similar to this... if I provided guided fishing trips for landlocked salmon in Riffe Lake but posted pictures of a 5 lb coho from Westport on my webpage.
Very much so. Or if you were selling video and had spliced in footage taken out of Westport.
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 09, 2015, 08:34:25 AM
Funny how so many promote shooting wolves by confusing them for coyotes or so forth but bash this guy for calling a deer a blacktail (which he seems to believe it is) when they believe it is a Muley...
It would be similar to this... if I provided guided fishing trips for landlocked salmon in Riffe Lake but posted pictures of a 5 lb coho from Westport on my webpage.
Very much so. Or if you were selling video and had spliced in footage taken out of Westport.
"Send it back to the editing room...there's a crab boat in the background at 13:17-21" ;)
Post by: JDHasty on December 09, 2015, 08:39:49 AM
Nice to see he was getting a good dose of ridicule on this thread as well: http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,187482.0.html
Post by: buglebuster on December 09, 2015, 12:31:29 PM
"text removed due to threat of lawsuit"
Post by: JDHasty on December 09, 2015, 12:40:48 PM
Post by: Curly on December 09, 2015, 12:42:06 PM
:lol:
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on December 09, 2015, 12:51:15 PM
I have a buddy whose family owns a 1500 acre grape farm south of San Francisco that is full of blacktails. Not your typical blacktail habitat.
Not sticking up for these guys, just pointing out that when your mind is locked into one idea about something, you might be missing out on something else.
Post by: 2labs on December 09, 2015, 12:54:45 PM
It would not surprise me one bit to find out they were offering a blacktail deer/speed goat combination hunt. Goldendale is only an hour and a half from Yakima.
Those Goats are probably closer too Goldendale than Yak. Now! At least some of them.sure hope they do well.
Post by: JDHasty on December 09, 2015, 01:09:43 PM
It would not surprise me one bit to find out they were offering a blacktail deer/speed goat combination hunt. Goldendale is only an hour and a half from Yakima.
Those Goats are probably closer too Goldendale than Yak. Now! At least some of them.sure hope they do well.
They are a beautiful animal, I would really like to see them got established here.
I was hunting elk west of Townsend and saw a monster of a speed goat buck way the heck up in the timber and told some others about him and lots of people had seen him there over the course of five or six years. He would come down and hang with his prong horn buddies down by Canyon Ferry and then would go up and hang out in the timber with the elk.
Post by: Coastal_native on December 09, 2015, 05:26:43 PM
#1. Anti hunters advancing their agenda
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#1,000,001. A reality TV show host fudging the line between blacktails and muleys.
Post by: westsidehntr on December 09, 2015, 05:34:48 PM
My list of concerns as a hunter...in order of importance.
#1. Anti hunters advancing their agenda
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#1,000,001. A reality TV show host fudging the line between blacktails and muleys.
:chuckle:
Post by: boneaddict on December 10, 2015, 10:19:20 AM
Anyone that knows anything about deer..... Oh forget it :chuckle:
Post by: Kazekurt on December 10, 2015, 10:37:11 AM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1323.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu600%2Fkaze05%2FMobile%2520Uploads%2F2015-11%2F302A12C0-92DA-4E9D-9A98-517C97441426_zps7jafvrwr.png&hash=20dbf2cb67e72b9510bc1fc58e69c5692091d406) (http://s1323.photobucket.com/user/kaze05/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-11/302A12C0-92DA-4E9D-9A98-517C97441426_zps7jafvrwr.png.html)
Post by: JDHasty on December 10, 2015, 10:44:51 AM
So is this not a good time to post pics of my booner Montana Columbia Blacktail?
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1323.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu600%2Fkaze05%2FMobile%2520Uploads%2F2015-11%2F302A12C0-92DA-4E9D-9A98-517C97441426_zps7jafvrwr.png&hash=20dbf2cb67e72b9510bc1fc58e69c5692091d406) (http://s1323.photobucket.com/user/kaze05/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-11/302A12C0-92DA-4E9D-9A98-517C97441426_zps7jafvrwr.png.html)
Wait just a minute, couple questions you have to answer first:
Was it taken within a two hour flight from Portland?
Did it pass the smell test?
Kidding aside - dandy buck
Post by: Kazekurt on December 10, 2015, 11:33:27 AM
Post by: Kazekurt on December 10, 2015, 11:40:54 AM
Post by: JDHasty on December 10, 2015, 11:47:58 AM
On another note:
I decided to take a look that the Twisted Horn website
Come join us on our private ranch of almost 10,000 acres for WORLD CLASS Trophy Quality Roosevelt Elk, Blacktail Deer, Black Bear (Color Phase), and a 2 Tom bag limit for Turkeys.
Our private property is located in the heart of Mt. Adams wilderness and consists of lush farm grounds mixed in with timber and creek systems, rolling mountains and giant green flats to keep our elk numbers high.
We are the only outfitter in Washington State that offers WORLD CLASS ROOSEVELT ELK AND BLACKTAIL DEER ON PRIVATE GROUND. Come hunt with the best!!!
WOW!!!!! And then they have the gonads to prominently place this statement at the top of their "Deer" page: All species listed are recognized by Boone & Crockett and Pope & Young
However what they omit is that their private property is not located within the boundary descriptions published by either Boone & Crockett or Pope & Young.
Post by: JDHasty on December 10, 2015, 11:51:14 AM
Anyway, I got to the buck, administered the smell test and it was clear that he was a Blacktail which was confirmed by the fact that there was black actually present on his tail. After putting on my orange and taking time to take pictures and post them on Facebook, I figured it might be a good idea to try and gut the buck. Unfortunately, I couldn't get youtube to load to show me how, so I flagged down a young lady in a Prius and she helped me through the process.
Got any profile pictures handy. That may be a genuine Tillamook deer sniffer your sportin' in the photo, but without a profile view I am not so sure that Boone & Crockett is going to certify
Post by: Kazekurt on December 10, 2015, 11:51:24 AM
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Post by: boneaddict on December 10, 2015, 12:09:02 PM
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Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on December 10, 2015, 12:20:47 PM
Post by: Kazekurt on December 10, 2015, 12:21:30 PM
Post by: Kazekurt on December 10, 2015, 12:24:59 PM
Still confused why Vinnie got pulled into this mess? :dunno:
Well, because I needed legal advice and he took two law classes at a junior college of course!
Post by: JDHasty on December 10, 2015, 12:26:11 PM
Well there goes your chance at immortality. I checked w/Boone & Crockett headquarters and the determining factor in coastal Columbian blacktail deer is: If the smell don't fit... you ain't got sh
Post by: 270Shooter on December 10, 2015, 12:30:08 PM
Post by: Kazekurt on December 10, 2015, 01:35:56 PM
"When we got to the office of the B&C official scorer, he told me my buck did not meet the minimum standards for mule deer. I am mediately protested, and mandated that he administer the smell test. Unfortunately, all he could smell was all the doe estrus pee I had splashed on before the hunt so the results were inconclusive."
Well there goes your chance at immortality. I checked w/Boone & Crockett headquarters and the determining factor in coastal Columbian blacktail deer is: If the smell don't fit... you ain't got sh
Lol!!! Yes, it was very frustrating that he would not Acknowledge that my buck was a blacktail! Even after offering to send him one of the backstraps from my llama he would not relent. On a sidenote, I'm a little surprised that I have not gotten the, "pics or it didn't happen" post yet.
Post by: link on December 10, 2015, 03:29:25 PM
Post by: Kazekurt on December 10, 2015, 04:03:21 PM
I shot a decent nontypical blacktail a few years back. It was just a little east of north bend.
I remember that buck, link!! He's got to be pushing WR status for Blacktail😄. All joking aside, the pictures of the mount of that buck looked awesome!
Post by: JDHasty on December 10, 2015, 04:18:27 PM
I shot a decent nontypical blacktail a few years back. It was just a little east of north bend.
I remember that buck, link!! He's got to be pushing WR status for Blacktail😄. All joking aside, the pictures of the mount of that buck looked awesome!
Did you have him validated by a certified Tillamook blacktail sniffer?
We better knock this off or the next thing we know it will say right there on page 19 of the 2016 Big Game Regulations: That scent of the Pacific Ocean spray or Downtown Portland must remain attached to the carcass of all animals claiming coastal or Columbian blacktail status while it is being transported and must remain with the wildlife during the period of retention of the edible parts.
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on December 10, 2015, 07:07:03 PM
Post by: eastfork on December 10, 2015, 09:10:54 PM
"text removed due to threat of lawsuit"
Post by: Reidus on December 10, 2015, 09:22:57 PM
I checked out *censored* Web page.......there's a picture of a buck on there that was not one of their clients. in fact I believe this individual has no idea they are using his picture. such scum bags......
:yeah:
I also noticed this same thing.
"text removed due to threat of lawsuit"
Post by: JDHasty on December 11, 2015, 04:23:34 AM
I had really no opinion on Burnworth's character leading up to the point that I got curious enough to go to the *censored* website and to also do a bit of independent research by contacting friends and acquaintances who could get me up to speed.
The fact that Burnworth freely chose to hitch his horse to that wagon tells me a lot about the man's character, or should I day apparent lack thereof. One is known by the company one keeps and association with this Twisted Horn outfit is not anything I would want to be known for.
Their reputation, from everyone who had an informed opinion, is "slimy." At least that is the word that kept coming up and when I did Internet searches it looks to me as though they did not get that reputation without working on it.
Burnworth refers to Twisted Horn as though he is personally acquainted and irrespecteve of whether he has a relationship with them that has been long term or not he has an interest in checking them out BEFORE going out and hitching his horse to their wagon. It took me sending a few emails and doing a few minutes of searching on the Internet to determine that I would not want to sully my reputation through any association with Twisted Horn.
But then again, if I were a celebrity television archery hunting show star..... I would not want to be filmed shooting elk on a high fence operation either. The reason I got sucked into this thread is because I recognized the name Burnworth (I don't have a television) from reading much the same kind of discussion on his selective presentation of the truth on ArcheryTalk.com (I believe that is were I read it) a few years back. I went back and did a search of the internet and that discussion has been scrubbed.
"text removed due to threat of lawsuit"
Post by: JDHasty on December 11, 2015, 10:08:05 AM
That quote was from an article it took me a while to relocate, but the facts have stayed with me for years. Here is the article: http://www.denverpost.com/avalanche/ci_9857832
Post by: ballstothewaal on December 11, 2015, 10:55:44 AM
Post by: JDHasty on December 11, 2015, 11:08:36 AM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on December 11, 2015, 11:30:21 AM
Post by: JDHasty on December 11, 2015, 11:32:47 AM
What got under my skin was how he said all the things that the deer "was not" before claiming it as something it also was not, a COLUMBIA Blacktail, from the coast...
That and he doubles-down when called out.
But the real clincher regarding his veracity being suspect and opening his character to question is seeing him, with my own two eyes and listening to him with my own ears, as he tries to conflate and deflect and morph this issue into some sort of attack on his "method of hunting." No one even brought that topic to the table except Burnworth in the video he posted to his Facebook page.
Watch the video he posted on the 7th of December to his facebook page and tell me that this is not what is going on in that video clip.
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 11, 2015, 11:37:51 AM
What got under my skin was how he said all the things that the deer "was not" before claiming it as something it also was not, a COLUMBIA Blacktail, from the coast...
That and he doubles-down when called out
Wonder if he's considered a run for the Presidency?
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on December 11, 2015, 11:45:47 AM
Sometimes I wonder if there is some underlying character flaw or emotional issue that causes these hunting show celebrities to seemingly self destruct. We sure have seen a fair amount of it lately.
That's what Fame and Money will get a person.........
Post by: JDHasty on December 11, 2015, 11:51:31 AM
Sometimes I wonder if there is some underlying character flaw or emotional issue that causes these hunting show celebrities to seemingly self destruct. We sure have seen a fair amount of it lately.
That's what Fame and Money will a person.........
Kinda' sad, isn't it.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on December 11, 2015, 01:58:41 PM
"A record-setting rare breed of small deer he claimed to have taken turned out to be another type of deer altogether." This is where stuff like this leads and it is important to rat out those who are engaging in it.
That quote was from an article it took me a while to relocate, but the facts have stayed with me for years. Here is the article: http://www.denverpost.com/avalanche/ci_9857832
This is probably the best read there is about Darner and his shenanigans.
http://hunts.net/darner.html
Post by: tjthebest on December 11, 2015, 03:10:58 PM
pretty much anybody who is not is WA state, or intimately knows the state, would not disagree with what he said.
Post by: link on December 11, 2015, 03:25:33 PM
Sometimes I wonder if there is some underlying character flaw or emotional issue that causes these hunting show celebrities to seemingly self destruct. We sure have seen a fair amount of it lately.The character flaw is greed, or vanity. They either want the money of fame that comes with taking the biggest or most animals. This guy always is bragging about how many elk he has shot. Its impressive, something in the 50's, but he makes sure you know how many bull elk he has shot. I've always thought the guy was a turd.
Post by: spin05 on December 11, 2015, 03:38:56 PM
Now don't any of you rapscallions go off half cocked and get this thread pulled.
On another note:
I decided to take a look that the Twisted Horn website
Come join us on our private ranch of almost 10,000 acres for WORLD CLASS Trophy Quality Roosevelt Elk, Blacktail Deer, Black Bear (Color Phase), and a 2 Tom bag limit for Turkeys.
Our private property is located in the heart of Mt. Adams wilderness and consists of lush farm grounds mixed in with timber and creek systems, rolling mountains and giant green flats to keep our elk numbers high.
We are the only outfitter in Washington State that offers WORLD CLASS ROOSEVELT ELK AND BLACKTAIL DEER ON PRIVATE GROUND. Come hunt with the best!!!
WOW!!!!! And then they have the gonads to prominently place this statement at the top of their "Deer" page: All species listed are recognized by Boone & Crockett and Pope & Young
However what they omit is that their private property is not located within the boundary descriptions published by either Boone & Crockett or Pope & Young.
Private ground hunting ranch in the middle of the mt adams wilderness??? :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: JDHasty on December 11, 2015, 03:39:50 PM
We all do realize that this is a nationally televised show right? Is WA state on the coast of the US?
pretty much anybody who is not is WA state, or intimately knows the state, would not disagree with what he said.
Glad to see I am not all out on a limb on that assessment. I posted something similar up the thread. These clowns are selling to a national audience and what a tragedy it would be if someone from out of the area booked their dream hunt for a blacktail or Roosevelt elk with an outfit that lead them to believe that they were taking them on just such a hunt. There is the potential to cause another person harm by participating in this kind of unethical obfuscation. Burnwell probably doesn't even appreciate that aspect, he doesn't pay market price for the opportunities he enjoys.
Post by: JDHasty on December 11, 2015, 03:42:12 PM
Now don't any of you rapscallions go off half cocked and get this thread pulled.
On another note:
I decided to take a look that the Twisted Horn website
Come join us on our private ranch of almost 10,000 acres for WORLD CLASS Trophy Quality Roosevelt Elk, Blacktail Deer, Black Bear (Color Phase), and a 2 Tom bag limit for Turkeys.
Our private property is located in the heart of Mt. Adams wilderness and consists of lush farm grounds mixed in with timber and creek systems, rolling mountains and giant green flats to keep our elk numbers high.
We are the only outfitter in Washington State that offers WORLD CLASS ROOSEVELT ELK AND BLACKTAIL DEER ON PRIVATE GROUND. Come hunt with the best!!!
WOW!!!!! And then they have the gonads to prominently place this statement at the top of their "Deer" page: All species listed are recognized by Boone & Crockett and Pope & Young
However what they omit is that their private property is not located within the boundary descriptions published by either Boone & Crockett or Pope & Young.
Private ground hunting ranch in the middle of the mt adams wilderness??? :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
The more we dig around and the closer we look at what we are finding in the public record (much of it put there by the individuals whose character we have questions about) the less we like what we are finding.
Post by: Coastal_native on December 11, 2015, 07:46:42 PM
#1. Anti hunters advancing their agenda
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#999,999. A reality TV show host fudging the line between blacktails and muleys.
#1,000,000. Those stupid Rage broadhead commercials with the caveman.
#1,000,001. Nagging Wives.
Post by: eastfork on December 15, 2015, 05:26:00 PM
Post by: Goshawk on December 21, 2015, 05:32:58 AM
I'll not support that sort of dishonest crap on any level.
Post by: JDHasty on December 21, 2015, 08:38:05 AM
I want to know what products he vouches for so that I can mark them off my "to buy list".:yeah:
I'll not support that sort of dishonest crap on any level.
Post by: eastfork on December 21, 2015, 08:35:03 PM
Post by: MuleDeer on December 21, 2015, 10:43:39 PM
"A record-setting rare breed of small deer he claimed to have taken turned out to be another type of deer altogether." This is where stuff like this leads and it is important to rat out those who are engaging in it.You're comparing felony wildlife crimes to embellishing a story, or the species shot? What Darner did, what Allwine did, what the boys in Alaska did last year, and even what Theresa Vail did this year in Alaska are crimes. I understand the argument for misleading folks from across the country who may book this hunt, absolutely. But I've heard tons more about this one hunt than all of what Allwine did...why is that? Is it because Burnworth is a bigger star, more visible than Allwine was, or what?
That quote was from an article it took me a while to relocate, but the facts have stayed with me for years. Here is the article: http://www.denverpost.com/avalanche/ci_9857832
I spoke with the VP of Programming for the Outdoor Channel yesterday about Theresa Vail and her show, and the double standard that they could be showing by continuing her show. He advised me that they are not renewing with her, much like Allwine lost his show, and so did the boys from Alaska and Mississippi. That's deserved, in my opinion; they broke the law, flat out. I don't personally care what line WDFW puts on a species, or B&C, for that matter. The animals don't care either, and I know for a fact that Jim doesn't enter any of his animals into the record books, so he's not committing fraud there. He misspoke, intentionally or not, big deal. I'm not so enthralled by the show hosts that I care that much, and I know many of them personally. It's a business, and EVERY show embellishes scenes, camera set ups, etc to some point.
You want to get fired up about somebody fooling you? Look no further than any retailer this time of year using every trick in the book to get you into their store using blatant lies to simple "mis-speaks".
Post by: bobcat on December 21, 2015, 10:53:58 PM
Post by: JDHasty on December 22, 2015, 06:03:02 AM
I don't think it was just this one time that bothers people, it's the fact that this is the second time he has flat out lied as to where he was hunting. The first time he was hunting elk near Graham, and on TV he stated that the bull he killed was a true Roosevelt elk by Boone & Crockett standards. He emphasized that as if it was very important to him. Sorry, but I don't like liars.:yeah:
AND the fact that people are defending/justifying/making light of what Burnworth has been doing. This is not the first time he has pulled this and this is not the first outfitter he has featured on his show that has had a reputation for..... shall we say fudging the truth with regards to blacktail deer and Roosevelt elk. That is what is known as a "pattern of behavior."
Post by: dfresh96 on December 22, 2015, 07:27:26 AM
Post by: JDHasty on December 22, 2015, 08:20:13 AM
From Burnworth's Facebook Page:
David Odell "it's not our mistakes that hurt us, but the defense of our mistakes." No one attacked your hunting methods, you are getting push back for how you clearly intentionally misled people about the deer. If you have hunted blacktails your whole life in Oregon then you know exactly what this is and yet you chose to present it in a different light. "I thought it was the coast because I was within two hours of portland" ??? You were two hours EAST of Portland, across the cascade mountain range. Hundreds of miles from the coast and true blacktail country. Those of us who live here and hunt here and know exactly what kind of reputation your "guide" has can see this for what it is. This is just sad to me Jim, I don't understand what you think you have to gain. It's a beautiful buck. Do it justice and celebrate it honestly. Maybe it is a pure blacktail and that's great. But 388 and 382 deer are bench legs at best, and mostly mule deer. When you tried to claim you were in blacktail country, with a foot of snow on the ground amongst ponderosa pines and oak trees on the east side of the cascades in WA, 4 hours from the coast....and then defend your comments by drumming up some weird hunters vs hunters thing...well that speaks for itself. Sorry man. Not buying it. Just my .02. No jealousy from me, I Hope you kill a huge mulie on this trip.
Michael Blake Say what you will, you would think with your reputation you would know the difference between a "Coastal Blacktail" and one harvested elsewhere . Even your guides "Roosevelts" are Rocky Mountain Elk... Sure puts a question on your credibility when you misrepresent the animals taken.. I don't care what it was, it is a nice critter, but when you are a "Public Figure" you should respect the animal itself and be honest about its classification.
Wm Baker I agree. Someone who hunts for profit or sponsors should know the difference. Especially in their home state. Misrepresentation of this Muley cross or the "Rosie" bull should not be tolerated. Maybe Jim is not at fault.. maybe it lay with the guide? Oh, wait.. some of the guides make a career of misrepresentation. As a life long resident of WA and a hunter for over 35 years, I will not be supporting Mr. Burnsworth or the guides he associates with.
Michael Blake I am beginning to think it was your "guides" misdirection. I see that any comments that do not agree with his are soon removed from his page, and his website is full of false claims of Blacktail deer and Roosevelt elk. Also rumored to have other "boundary issues"......I do not care what weapon you use, I am merely concerned with a puplic figure being honest. When other hunting show hosts are being caught poaching, it leaves a spotlight on the rest. I am pleased that your controversy is merely a misunderstanding and not a violation, yet you are held to a higher standard.
This is why this thread has legs. If you go to Burnworth's Facebook page and watch the damage control video he made he in fact does try to make this a hunters vs other hunters controversy that revolves around each choosing to use a different weapon. This is done in order to distract from the real issue, which is - Burnworth consorts with outfitters who have a reputation for fudging about the actual animal sub-species classification that he is pursuing. He then doubles down and produces a damage control video that deliberately and systematically diverts attention from what is being discussed. Burnworth's partner in the case of this hunt is also scrubbing posts from their Faceebook page as fast as they appear that address this very issue.
Post by: MuleDeer on December 22, 2015, 02:24:37 PM
Post by: Bigshooter on December 23, 2015, 04:28:47 PM
Post by: MuleDeer on December 23, 2015, 10:30:59 PM
I feel sorry for all the guys that thought Jim was a stand up guy before the "Roosevelt" show or this "blacktail" hunt. This is part for the course for jim.How long have you known Jim? Just curious
Post by: Jarhead Chase on February 10, 2016, 01:31:42 PM
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Post by: Rainier10 on February 12, 2016, 12:05:03 PM
Post by: JDHasty on February 12, 2016, 12:20:33 PM
I will not lie, I went to Montana with the intention of hunting mule deer; but after realizing that a high-speed Jet could get to that area in under two hours; especially if I directly parachuted from the plane; I decide to focus my attention on Blacktail. (Now, before we get another long poaching thread going, I did in fact wait 24 hours after parachuting from the plane.) i then spotted this nice mule.... Err Blacktail buck and immediately recognized him as world class and began pursuit! I then took time to call the local sheriff, Mfwp, WDFW, and the better business bureau to confirm the unit boundaries and that Blacktail were legal in this unit. After getting the Greenlight from all four of these agencies, and permission from my wife, I decided to take the buck. I made an amazing Texas heart shot and the buck toppled over within the boundaries of the neighboring unit. Since I didn't have the regs on me, I imediately called my wife's, uncle's, cousin Vinnie to see if it was legal for me to cross over and retrieve my buck. (Vinny took two law classes at a junior college and stayed twice at a holiday inn express so I knew I could take his advice on the legal ramifications to the bank). Conclusion to follow
If you haven't enjoyed this yet, it starts up on Reply # 121 on this thread. It is a hoot.
Post by: scoutdog346 on June 09, 2017, 10:42:37 PM
Checkout Jim Burnworths cool buck. Watch the video and see if you can figure out what's wrong.
Check it out of his Facebook page.
were can I get a sticker like that put on the back of my truck? LOL...
Post by: Kazekurt on June 10, 2017, 11:03:53 AM
Post by: highside74 on June 10, 2017, 11:28:42 AM