Post by: Gunitharvester on December 09, 2015, 02:33:52 PM
Input? Anyone else experience something like this? Legalities???
-Thanks in advance
Post by: 1bugman on December 09, 2015, 02:42:26 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on December 09, 2015, 02:44:45 PM
Post by: The scout on December 09, 2015, 02:51:31 PM
Post by: Bob33 on December 09, 2015, 03:04:25 PM
http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.15.210
RCW 77.15.210
Obstructing the taking of fish, shellfish, or wildlife—Penalty.
(1) A person is guilty of obstructing the taking of fish[, shellfish,] or wildlife if the person:
(a) Harasses, drives, or disturbs fish, shellfish, or wildlife with the intent of disrupting lawful pursuit or taking thereof; or
(b) Harasses, intimidates, or interferes with an individual engaged in the lawful taking of fish, shellfish, or wildlife or lawful predator control with the intent of disrupting lawful pursuit or taking thereof.
Post by: bigtex on December 09, 2015, 03:14:00 PM
Report it.The big problem with WA's "hunter harassment" law is the intent requirement.
http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.15.210
RCW 77.15.210
Obstructing the taking of fish, shellfish, or wildlife—Penalty.
(1) A person is guilty of obstructing the taking of fish[, shellfish,] or wildlife if the person:
(a) Harasses, drives, or disturbs fish, shellfish, or wildlife with the intent of disrupting lawful pursuit or taking thereof; or
(b) Harasses, intimidates, or interferes with an individual engaged in the lawful taking of fish, shellfish, or wildlife or lawful predator control with the intent of disrupting lawful pursuit or taking thereof.
WDFW (and later the prosecutor) would have to prove that the drone operator harassed/interfered with a hunter WITH THE INTENT of disrupting the lawful hunt.
A two day old defense attorney could quickly say his defendant didn't even know the individual he was flying the drone by was hunting and thus didn't know/intend on disrupting the hunt.
Post by: Bean Counter on December 09, 2015, 03:15:11 PM
Post by: The scout on December 09, 2015, 03:19:20 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on December 09, 2015, 03:23:05 PM
Post by: Bob33 on December 09, 2015, 03:40:00 PM
Once - of course it could be a mistake. I would think if it was an established pattern (i.e. he'd been involved in doing it before) there would be enough justification for making the charge stick.Report it.The big problem with WA's "hunter harassment" law is the intent requirement.
http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.15.210
RCW 77.15.210
Obstructing the taking of fish, shellfish, or wildlife—Penalty.
(1) A person is guilty of obstructing the taking of fish[, shellfish,] or wildlife if the person:
(a) Harasses, drives, or disturbs fish, shellfish, or wildlife with the intent of disrupting lawful pursuit or taking thereof; or
(b) Harasses, intimidates, or interferes with an individual engaged in the lawful taking of fish, shellfish, or wildlife or lawful predator control with the intent of disrupting lawful pursuit or taking thereof.
WDFW (and later the prosecutor) would have to prove that the drone operator harassed/interfered with a hunter WITH THE INTENT of disrupting the lawful hunt.
A two day old defense attorney could quickly say his defendant didn't even know the individual he was flying the drone by was hunting and thus didn't know/intend on disrupting the hunt.
Post by: jeffro on December 09, 2015, 04:08:02 PM
"YOU SHOULD HAVE SHOT IT!!!" He said he almost did but decided that they would have slashed his tires by the time he got back to his rig.... He's probably right.This is why I put up cameras at my truck when I leave it in the woods.
Input?
Too many dou::: b::: out there
At least I should get a license number of anyone messing with my gear.
Post by: full strutting on December 09, 2015, 05:51:50 PM
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Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 09, 2015, 05:52:59 PM
Post by: 724wd on December 09, 2015, 09:13:06 PM
WDFW biologists out doing grouse surveys? :sry:
:yeah: :yeah: :lol4: :lol4:
Post by: Yakirack on December 10, 2015, 09:47:05 AM
Post by: NoBark on December 10, 2015, 09:54:55 AM
If he had a video camera of the drone doing what it was doing for that long, I think a prosecutor could make the case for 'intent'.
Post by: popeshawnpaul on December 10, 2015, 09:56:15 AM
Report it.The big problem with WA's "hunter harassment" law is the intent requirement.
http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.15.210
RCW 77.15.210
Obstructing the taking of fish, shellfish, or wildlife—Penalty.
(1) A person is guilty of obstructing the taking of fish[, shellfish,] or wildlife if the person:
(a) Harasses, drives, or disturbs fish, shellfish, or wildlife with the intent of disrupting lawful pursuit or taking thereof; or
(b) Harasses, intimidates, or interferes with an individual engaged in the lawful taking of fish, shellfish, or wildlife or lawful predator control with the intent of disrupting lawful pursuit or taking thereof.
WDFW (and later the prosecutor) would have to prove that the drone operator harassed/interfered with a hunter WITH THE INTENT of disrupting the lawful hunt.
A two day old defense attorney could quickly say his defendant didn't even know the individual he was flying the drone by was hunting and thus didn't know/intend on disrupting the hunt.
No reason not to do it though. There is always the chance they could have a bad lawyer or take a deal though. There is an even better choice they will open their mouth and admit it like so many of my clients do. Perhaps one of our bad apple game wardens could violate someone's rights and threaten them to admit it or else as they have many times before... A smart prosecutor could stack the jury with hunters also... ;)
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 10, 2015, 10:01:42 AM
Who do you recommend reporting this type of thing to?
911 as game/hunter harassment.
Post by: fishnfur on December 10, 2015, 10:16:35 AM
Post by: Alchase on December 10, 2015, 10:19:57 AM
Then shot it down. :hunt2:
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on December 10, 2015, 10:30:57 AM
I'd have shot the stupid thing! :bash:
Post by: howlow on December 10, 2015, 04:50:35 PM
Post by: Bob33 on December 10, 2015, 04:59:02 PM
Shooting one down can be considered a felony since they are no different than an shooting down a aircraft they are regulated by faa but if he was chasing wildlife he could be called in for harassmentDrones used for recreational purposes are not currently regulated by the FAA unless they conflict with regulated aircraft.
Post by: KFhunter on December 10, 2015, 05:03:20 PM
Report it.The big problem with WA's "hunter harassment" law is the intent requirement.
http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.15.210
RCW 77.15.210
Obstructing the taking of fish, shellfish, or wildlife—Penalty.
(1) A person is guilty of obstructing the taking of fish[, shellfish,] or wildlife if the person:
(a) Harasses, drives, or disturbs fish, shellfish, or wildlife with the intent of disrupting lawful pursuit or taking thereof; or
(b) Harasses, intimidates, or interferes with an individual engaged in the lawful taking of fish, shellfish, or wildlife or lawful predator control with the intent of disrupting lawful pursuit or taking thereof.
WDFW (and later the prosecutor) would have to prove that the drone operator harassed/interfered with a hunter WITH THE INTENT of disrupting the lawful hunt.
A two day old defense attorney could quickly say his defendant didn't even know the individual he was flying the drone by was hunting and thus didn't know/intend on disrupting the hunt.
No reason not to do it though. There is always the chance they could have a bad lawyer or take a deal though. There is an even better choice they will open their mouth and admit it like so many of my clients do. Perhaps one of our bad apple game wardens could violate someone's rights and threaten them to admit it or else as they have many times before... A smart prosecutor could stack the jury with hunters also... ;)
It could also help develop a pattern of harassment, that is if his drone lasts long enough.
Post by: Gunitharvester on December 10, 2015, 05:31:13 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 10, 2015, 05:33:37 PM
Post by: Gunitharvester on December 11, 2015, 08:43:21 AM
Who cares......why is it that hunters act like they have all the rights and nobody else does ?......It gets old listening to guys whine about such an inconvenience to them.
Oh really? Maybe because hunters have a small window to (possibly) harvest quarry that we pay dearly for in this state and few areas to hunt, while some one with a remote control toy has 365 days a year and just about anywhere to play with it. I care.
Post by: MtnMuley on December 11, 2015, 10:36:28 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 11, 2015, 08:44:54 PM
Who cares......why is it that hunters act like they have all the rights and nobody else does ?......It gets old listening to guys whine about such an inconvenience to them.
Oh really? Maybe because hunters have a small window to (possibly) harvest quarry that we pay dearly for in this state and few areas to hunt, while some one with a remote control toy has 365 days a year and just about anywhere to play with it. I care.
Yes really. I hunt, but maybe I'm a little more mature than some hunters. It's life is the way I look at it and I just deal with it accordingly.
Post by: 2labs on December 11, 2015, 08:53:19 PM
Post by: Ridgeratt on December 11, 2015, 08:55:12 PM
Who cares......why is it that hunters act like they have all the rights and nobody else does ?......It gets old listening to guys whine about such an inconvenience to them.
Oh really? Maybe because hunters have a small window to (possibly) harvest quarry that we pay dearly for in this state and few areas to hunt, while some one with a remote control toy has 365 days a year and just about anywhere to play with it. I care.
Yes really. I hunt, but maybe I'm a little more mature than some hunters. It's life is the way I look at it and I just deal with it accordingly.
Camp It's just like the guys who get their panties in a wad over trail cam's and the fact somebody is camped it "their" spot. I could go on but why bother
Post by: bigtex on December 11, 2015, 08:57:57 PM
I never said don't report it. I just said it may be hard for an officer to forward charges or a prosecutor to file charges.No reason not to do it though. There is always the chance they could have a bad lawyer or take a deal though. There is an even better choice they will open their mouth and admit it like so many of my clients do. Perhaps one of our bad apple game wardens could violate someone's rights and threaten them to admit it or else as they have many times before... A smart prosecutor could stack the jury with hunters also... ;)Report it.The big problem with WA's "hunter harassment" law is the intent requirement.
http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.15.210
RCW 77.15.210
Obstructing the taking of fish, shellfish, or wildlife—Penalty.
(1) A person is guilty of obstructing the taking of fish[, shellfish,] or wildlife if the person:
(a) Harasses, drives, or disturbs fish, shellfish, or wildlife with the intent of disrupting lawful pursuit or taking thereof; or
(b) Harasses, intimidates, or interferes with an individual engaged in the lawful taking of fish, shellfish, or wildlife or lawful predator control with the intent of disrupting lawful pursuit or taking thereof.
WDFW (and later the prosecutor) would have to prove that the drone operator harassed/interfered with a hunter WITH THE INTENT of disrupting the lawful hunt.
A two day old defense attorney could quickly say his defendant didn't even know the individual he was flying the drone by was hunting and thus didn't know/intend on disrupting the hunt.
Post by: Gunitharvester on December 12, 2015, 06:19:01 PM
No comparison to a trail camera- at all, but whatever. Next time someone screws up your hunt, remember how "mature" 8) of a hunter you are and enjoy your hunt. I think I get the general consensus here, and that is to get law enforcement involved.Who cares......why is it that hunters act like they have all the rights and nobody else does ?......It gets old listening to guys whine about such an inconvenience to them.
Oh really? Maybe because hunters have a small window to (possibly) harvest quarry that we pay dearly for in this state and few areas to hunt, while some one with a remote control toy has 365 days a year and just about anywhere to play with it. I care.
Yes really. I hunt, but maybe I'm a little more mature than some hunters. It's life is the way I look at it and I just deal with it accordingly.
Camp It's just like the guys who get their panties in a wad over trail cam's and the fact somebody is camped it "their" spot. I could go on but why bother
Good day, gents :tup:
Post by: Little Dave on December 12, 2015, 06:39:04 PM
Post by: firefighter4607 on December 12, 2015, 06:47:53 PM
Who cares......why is it that hunters act like they have all the rights and nobody else does ?......It gets old listening to guys whine about such an inconvenience to them.
Oh really? Maybe because hunters have a small window to (possibly) harvest quarry that we pay dearly for in this state and few areas to hunt, while some one with a remote control toy has 365 days a year and just about anywhere to play with it. I care.
Yes really. I hunt, but maybe I'm a little more mature than some hunters. It's life is the way I look at it and I just deal with it accordingly.
Camp It's just like the guys who get their panties in a wad over trail cam's and the fact somebody is camped it "their" spot. I could go on but why bother
Yep welcome to hunting public land. If it was on his land then it would be a problem.
If the drone was another hunter would you still post about it? Its called public land for a reason, the public can use it when they want to.
Post by: jackmaster on December 12, 2015, 07:08:14 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 12, 2015, 07:45:29 PM
No comparison to a trail camera- at all, but whatever. Next time someone screws up your hunt, remember how "mature" 8) of a hunter you are and enjoy your hunt. I think I get the general consensus here, and that is to get law enforcement involved.Who cares......why is it that hunters act like they have all the rights and nobody else does ?......It gets old listening to guys whine about such an inconvenience to them.
Oh really? Maybe because hunters have a small window to (possibly) harvest quarry that we pay dearly for in this state and few areas to hunt, while some one with a remote control toy has 365 days a year and just about anywhere to play with it. I care.
Yes really. I hunt, but maybe I'm a little more mature than some hunters. It's life is the way I look at it and I just deal with it accordingly.
Camp It's just like the guys who get their panties in a wad over trail cam's and the fact somebody is camped it "their" spot. I could go on but why bother
Good day, gents :tup:
I've had plenty of hunts screwed up before any of this high tech stuff was around. So, it's nothing new.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on December 12, 2015, 07:48:09 PM
Release your attack drone.
Go Top Gun on them!!
Post by: Bean Counter on December 13, 2015, 03:41:57 AM
He should have videoed it with his cell phone,
Then shot it down. :hunt2:
Close eyes + slam trigger!
Post by: Alex4200 on December 13, 2015, 06:04:04 AM