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Title: Best AR going ?
Post by: coachcw on December 27, 2015, 08:52:37 AM
So for all the AR experts out there . Whats the most accurate off the shelf AR that a guy can pick up with out breaking the bank ? must be a big game legal caliber .
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: jay.sharkbait on December 27, 2015, 09:09:43 AM
AR15 or 10?

300 and in or 300 plus?

Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: Craig on December 27, 2015, 09:19:38 AM
Not sure if this would break the bank but this is a great setup.

20 Inch LaRue Tactical OBR (Optimized Battle Rifle) Complete 7.62 Rifle
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 27, 2015, 09:29:01 AM
LWRC R.E.P.R or Sig Sauer 716..........

Or build one to fit your desired needs.
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: actionshooter on December 27, 2015, 09:42:11 AM
What do you consider breaking the bank? My 1st choices are north of 3K
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 27, 2015, 11:13:06 AM
Which AR do you want coach?
AR 30 in .338 Lapua (little heavy), AR 50 (really heavy), Nemo Omen .300 Win Mag, AR 10 6.5-284, AR 15 6 mm PPC
Might be tough to narrow down since there are soooooo many options now days and most accurate =/= most powerful and a lot subjective.
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: jjhunter on December 27, 2015, 11:21:10 AM
Most accurate?  Les Baer.
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: Buzz2401 on December 27, 2015, 12:26:17 PM
Why is this under the Elk topic.  I wanna see some darn elk pictures if its in this area.  Plus everyone knows a AR platform rifle can't be used to ethically kill elk.
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 27, 2015, 01:21:29 PM
It may be just a shot in the dark? I believe his total intention is to purchase or build a AR and smoke some chit with it. On a "Mission" so to say. :tup:

Chances are, Elk is on the hit list.
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: coachcw on December 27, 2015, 01:47:36 PM
It may be just a shot in the dark? I believe his total intention is to purchase or build a AR and smoke some chit with it. On a "Mission" so to say. :tup:

Chances are, Elk is on the hit list.
6.5 would work ....lol
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: PlateauNDN on December 27, 2015, 11:10:43 PM
6.8? I love .308 ' s and want a 6.8 someday.
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 28, 2015, 09:30:52 AM
6.8? I love .308 ' s and want a 6.8 someday.

Make one. AR10 .308 with the right glass would kick butt. I love my Grendel, too.
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: PlateauNDN on December 28, 2015, 10:00:40 AM
6.8? I love .308 ' s and want a 6.8 someday.

Make one. AR10 .308 with the right glass would kick butt. I love my Grendel, too.

I'll make it if you supply the funds? :chuckle: maybe we should start a gofundme on here for me. :dunno: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 28, 2015, 10:23:05 AM
I'm in for $10.  :tup:
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: jaymark6655 on December 28, 2015, 11:20:26 AM
Not sure about off the shelf, my suggestion is to build.

Figure out what bullet you want to shoot and how fast and then pick the barrel length and twist to match that.  From there everything else can almost be anything you want as long as you don't pick junk.  That one of the best things about an AR why buy one built just to later change out items when you can start with what you like.
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: xXLojackXx on December 28, 2015, 06:52:44 PM
Falkor Defense Petra 300 WM. 1/4 Moa and .243 recoil
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: coachcw on December 28, 2015, 07:18:41 PM
6.8? I love .308 ' s and want a 6.8 someday.

Make one. AR10 .308 with the right glass would kick butt. I love my Grendel, too.

I'll make it if you supply the funds? :chuckle: maybe we should start a gofundme on here for me. :dunno: :chuckle:
I could see it now , poor indian  need funds to build AR to unethicalY harvest many elk !
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: coachcw on December 28, 2015, 07:20:12 PM
Well for sake of argument it needs to be a 6.5  maybe a dpms lr 260 with some good glass and BI pod .
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: rtspring on December 28, 2015, 07:23:50 PM
Since you will be shooting an AR from now on, Might as well give me that 6.5  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: PlateauNDN on December 28, 2015, 07:26:07 PM
Since you will be shooting an AR from now on, Might as well give me that 6.5  :chuckle:

 :yike: :bash: darn it, why didn't I think of that.

Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: elkaholic123 on December 28, 2015, 07:49:07 PM
My DPMS LR .204 is very nice and also very accurate, a friend has a .308 thats a shooter too . :dunno:
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: carlyoungs on December 28, 2015, 07:57:12 PM
Didn't you shoot all those awesome animals last year with an ar15 6.5? Or you just being funny with all the other ar threads?
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: JDHasty on December 29, 2015, 10:32:27 AM
Didn't you shoot all those awesome animals last year with an ar15 6.5? Or you just being funny with all the other ar threads?
:yeah:
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: milldozer on December 29, 2015, 12:31:44 PM
Can't speak to other makes/models, but I run a DPMS Compact Hunter (.308) and it is a tack driver.
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: coachcw on December 29, 2015, 12:43:19 PM
yeah but I cheated since it was a bolt gun ..lol and remember vlds don't work under 100 yards .... that elk looked like he was getting electrocuted when it zapped him .
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: ELKBURGER on December 29, 2015, 12:56:08 PM
Falkor Defense Petra 300 WM. 1/4 Moa and .243 recoil
Hmmmm, how much $$$?
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: jackelope on December 29, 2015, 01:29:08 PM
Falkor Defense Petra 300 WM. 1/4 Moa and .243 recoil
Hmmmm, how much $$$?

~$5k-6k depending on what you want it made out of.
 :yike:
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: shootem on December 29, 2015, 02:27:06 PM
I just ordered a Rock River Arms 300 Blackout we can play with when it gets in. They are reasonably priced and make a 308 and 6.8 SPC gun too.
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: b23 on December 29, 2015, 03:04:08 PM
So for all the AR experts out there . Whats the most accurate off the shelf AR that a guy can pick up with out breaking the bank ? must be a big game legal caliber .

I'm certainly not an AR expert and I'm not sure what price point you're looking at but Seekins Precision makes some reallllllly nice AR's. 

Never owned one but on a little lower price range I've heard nothing but good about Rock River AR's, too.
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: coachcw on December 29, 2015, 03:09:00 PM
sounds good shootem  , may need a emergency hog hunt to check it out !
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: raydog on December 30, 2015, 09:15:37 AM
Can't speak to other makes/models, but I run a DPMS Compact Hunter (.308) and it is a tack driver.
But does it shoot bug holes? :chuckle:
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: Blacklab on December 30, 2015, 09:43:03 AM
GRENDEL 6.5 264
Alexander Arms
Percsion Firearms
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: jay.sharkbait on December 30, 2015, 09:46:30 AM
Can't speak to other makes/models, but I run a DPMS Compact Hunter (.308) and it is a tack driver.
But does it shoot bug holes? :chuckle:

Will it turn lights off?
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 30, 2015, 11:31:05 AM
GRENDEL 6.5 264
Alexander Arms
Percsion Firearms

The one that Biggerhammer built for me is very similar to that firearm. I like it a lot.
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 30, 2015, 11:33:43 AM
See how cool it is? I love showing it off. I get lots of 'Ooohs" and "aaaahs". I think the appreciation of others is half the fun. Shooting it doesn't suck, either.
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: 6.8mmARHunter on December 30, 2015, 11:41:04 AM
Why is this under the Elk topic.  I wanna see some darn elk pictures if its in this area.  Plus everyone knows a AR platform rifle can't be used to ethically kill elk.


What have you been smoking???

What are you babbling about "ElkTopic" for, this is the "Guns and Ammo" sub-forum.

As for - AR platform not being able to ethically kill an Elk - Google .458 SOCOM AR15.

Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: coachcw on December 30, 2015, 11:43:49 AM
tell us more piano that is freaking sweet !
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 30, 2015, 11:55:19 AM
tell us more piano that is freaking sweet !
Since you asked:
RRA 2-stage match trigger
Magpul PRS stock and hand grip
Blackhole Weaponry 24" SPR barrel with break
Vltor MUR-1 upper, nickel boron bolt carrier
Palmetto Armory lower
12" Fortis rail with Magpul grips
14" Harris HBLMS bi-pod
Steiner G3 2-10x40 scope
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: JDHasty on December 30, 2015, 12:42:32 PM
Why is this under the Elk topic.  I wanna see some darn elk pictures if its in this area.  Plus everyone knows a AR platform rifle can't be used to ethically kill elk.


What have you been smoking???

What are you babbling about "ElkTopic" for, this is the "Guns and Ammo" sub-forum.

As for - AR platform not being able to ethically kill an Elk - Google .458 SOCOM AR15.

I would prefer this: http://www.marlinfirearms.com/firearms/bigbore/1895g.asp if I were going big bore on elk.  Far more comfortable to carry in the field and 2,131 fps w/Hornaday 350 RN & IMR 4198
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: 6.8mmARHunter on December 30, 2015, 01:15:21 PM
Why is this under the Elk topic.  I wanna see some darn elk pictures if its in this area.  Plus everyone knows a AR platform rifle can't be used to ethically kill elk.


What have you been smoking???

What are you babbling about "ElkTopic" for, this is the "Guns and Ammo" sub-forum.

As for - AR platform not being able to ethically kill an Elk - Google .458 SOCOM AR15.

I would prefer this: http://www.marlinfirearms.com/firearms/bigbore/1895g.asp if I were going big bore on elk.  Far more comfortable to carry in the field and 2,131 fps w/Hornaday 350 RN & IMR 4198


That's a nice looking rifle. My ideal lever action would be a Winchester 94 in .375 Winchester. Plenty for Elk, and the lines are much more classic over the Marlin (in my opinion).

But....

The OP was asking about AR's.

Here's a good article about AR from thetruthaboutguns.com:

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/10/robert-farago/ar-15-rifle-choices/
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: BULLBLASTER on December 30, 2015, 01:30:29 PM
See how cool it is? I love showing it off. I get lots of 'Ooohs" and "aaaahs". I think the appreciation of others is half the fun. Shooting it doesn't suck, either.
Do you know, or can you measure the total end to end length of your rifle?

Thanks
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: coachcw on December 30, 2015, 01:32:36 PM
might have a hard time swinging it out the window !
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 30, 2015, 01:40:27 PM
might have a hard time swinging it out the window !
might try a kel-tec RFB then.
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: BULLBLASTER on December 30, 2015, 01:45:06 PM
might have a hard time swinging it out the window !
Dang coach. You see right through me! 
I did hear you need a brass catcher for that game also. Ar brass can and will crack the inside of a windshield!  :yike:















 :chuckle:
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 30, 2015, 02:14:07 PM
See how cool it is? I love showing it off. I get lots of 'Ooohs" and "aaaahs". I think the appreciation of others is half the fun. Shooting it doesn't suck, either.
Do you know, or can you measure the total end to end length of your rifle?

Thanks

45". I can swing it out the window if it's one of those bay windows!  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 31, 2015, 12:04:34 PM
might have a hard time swinging it out the window !
Dang coach. You see right through me! 
I did hear you need a brass catcher for that game also. Ar brass can and will crack the inside of a windshield!  :yike:



Nothing like the rear view mirror getting smoked by brass being launched from a HK91. Not to mention smoking hot brass dropping in the passengers lap.  :tup:













 :chuckle:
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: coachcw on January 01, 2016, 05:04:51 PM
Looks like my kiddo wa ts to do summer school to the tune e of about seven k . Might have to wait a bit . My brother has a thee ar one is a FN  308  he said I'm we'll come to walk a elk with it !    Or maybe I should just go shoot the cooper a bit .
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: JDHasty on January 01, 2016, 11:00:26 PM
It totally depends on what you are looking to do with it.  We have four and two of them are match rifles, one is a lightweight Remington R15 and the last one has an adjustable stock and that belongs to my kids and was put together out of the "Bag of Tricks," which is what I refer to my junk parts pile as. 

Three of those rifles (one is absolutely a carbine) will hold an inch at a hundred yards, with room to spare, and the forth might... but I have never bothered seeing if it could and that is with ammo that I just loaded up and did not go to any great lengths to match to the particular guns. 

The forth AR has a "M4" barrel that was defective and the gunsmith that gave it to me said the A-Frame is tilted over and I replaced it under warrantee, but if you are just going to put a gas block on it and a scope...   who cares anyway, it is just a gun for your kids.  IIRC, when I took that AR to the range it shot into an inch plus or minus at a hundred yards.   The kids have no problem breaking four inch balloons with it at two bucks and that is all I wanted it for anyway.

I would say that if you get an upper and lower from my hometown heroes, Aero Precision, and then watch their specials, that are emailed every day, you can build up EXACTLY what you want and stake the castle nut if'n you think that you will ever need to repel boarders with it and at the end of the day you could put together whatever your heart desires for south of a grand in the next six months. 

Putting together an AR that is exactly what your needs are is not rocket science any one who is not a booger eatin' moron can do it with a torque wrench and a few jigs like an action block and an AR tool.  For God's sake, when my daughter was four years old, she and I changed out the trigger in the Remington with a Guiseley SDE in five minutes. 

The most difficult part of the process is deciding what you want it to look like.  If you are capable of reading a cook book you are 100% able  to assemble the parts.  That is how I ended up with a lot of AR parts in our "bag of tricks."   It does not demand any special skill set to assemble and modify an AR, all it demands is being able to read and attention to detail. 


They are truly a platform that unless you are totally incompetent you, yourself, can assemble. 

The trigger is all important and I like the SDE.   There are others and if an AR has a good trigger it will shoot so long as your parts are good and that means a barrel that is properly machined.   

 
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 01, 2016, 11:11:50 PM
A quality barrel on a AR is everything, the rest is fluff.  :tup:
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: shootem on January 01, 2016, 11:31:07 PM
How about the trigger?
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: JDHasty on January 01, 2016, 11:33:12 PM
The only thing that matters is the barrel be top notch and the chamber be properly cut and that the barrel extension is 100% within spec.  If the upper and lower and bolt are from a reputable firm then it will shoot way below an inch at a hundred yards.

Every thing else is window dressing.  The trigger is what is all important to you, it is how you talk to your rifle, and never skimp on that.  I like the SDE from Guiseley, but there are others.

You can make it look any way you want and it is not expensive IF you make wise decisions and are not replacing parts you have already paid for.  Think about what you are looking to do with the rifle BEFORE spending money. 

If you get an upper and lower from Aero, they supply most of the top builders, and those parts will be within spec and with a little rubber device that sits behind the hinge pin, even if there is play don't get all wrapped up in that.  I think it is called an accu wedge.  You will be more than  fine if you can read a cook book.

Unlike other rifles the AR is all in the engineering that went into it.  It is "idiot proof." 

Just slow way down and make sure you understand the "cook book" instructions and with a good inch-pound torque wrench there is nothing that anyone can do to make an AR shoot that you are not capable of.  I guarandamntee it.  I have the trophies sitting at my mom's house to prove it.       
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: Blacklab on January 02, 2016, 07:22:51 AM
See how cool it is? I love showing it off. I get lots of 'Ooohs" and "aaaahs". I think the appreciation of others is half the fun. Shooting it doesn't suck, either.

Very nice!

A quality barrel on a AR is everything, the rest is fluff.  :tup:

 :yeah:
Couldn't agree more  :twocents:

Barrel
Trigger
Glass
In that order  ;)
 
Here's my Grendel. Built myself.
18 inch 1-8 AA barrel
Timney 3lb trigger
Nikon 3x12x42
Nothing in the PNW I wouldn't hunt for with this rifle
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 02, 2016, 07:45:57 AM
See how cool it is? I love showing it off. I get lots of 'Ooohs" and "aaaahs". I think the appreciation of others is half the fun. Shooting it doesn't suck, either.

Very nice!

A quality barrel on a AR is everything, the rest is fluff.  :tup:
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 :yeah:
Couldn't agree more  :twocents:

Barrel
Trigger
Glass
In that order  ;)
 
Here's my Grendel. Built myself.
18 inch 1-8 AA barrel
Timney 3lb trigger
Nikon 3x12x42
Nothing in the PNW I wouldn't hunt for with this rifle



Did you shoot that deer with a tiny boolits over 400 yards with that fugly assault weapon ? I wanna know, I wanna know right now, c'mon, tell the non-believers, c'mon..... :chuckle:
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: Blacklab on January 02, 2016, 08:18:14 AM
Not even close to 400 yards. Maybe 10 or 15 yards  :chuckle: and he ran another 10 or 15  ;) Maybe next time I'll stretch the legs a little further for fun  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 02, 2016, 08:32:14 AM
Not even close to 400 yards. Maybe 10 or 15 yards  :chuckle: and he ran another 10 or 15  ;) Maybe next time I'll stretch the legs a little further for fun  :chuckle:

What bullet did you use and how did it perform?  Always curious about bullet type and performance no matter the chambering.
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: Blacklab on January 02, 2016, 10:05:18 AM
Hand load 123 A-max top front shoulder destroyed it. Recovered on the other side weighed in @ 89 grs. It clipped a rib and lodged under the skin.
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: JDHasty on January 02, 2016, 02:33:22 PM
See how cool it is? I love showing it off. I get lots of 'Ooohs" and "aaaahs". I think the appreciation of others is half the fun. Shooting it doesn't suck, either.

Very nice!

A quality barrel on a AR is everything, the rest is fluff.  :tup:

 :yeah:
Couldn't agree more  :twocents:

Barrel
Trigger
Glass
In that order  ;)
 
Here's my Grendel. Built myself.
18 inch 1-8 AA barrel
Timney 3lb trigger
Nikon 3x12x42
Nothing in the PNW I wouldn't hunt for with this rifle

I would put trigger ahead of barrel.  I can live with a bit less accuracy off a bench better than I can with a lousy trigger.  If I had money to change one component out on a middle of the road factory AR it would be the trigger.
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 02, 2016, 03:46:28 PM
I know when my triggers going to break. Being 6lbs or 8oz, makes no difference to me. I shoot them the same. I do prefer a good trigger but I'll give up nothing in the accuracy department barrel wise due to a trigger when assembling a AR. Then again I haven't shot a factory barrel AR in quite awhile.
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: jay.sharkbait on January 02, 2016, 04:09:53 PM
Barrel first. With twist being a major factor

Trigger and bolt next. I like the Rock River two stage and see no need for the other high end triggers. Bolts are very important(to me). They need to be square and made of the proper material.

Rest is fluff
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: Special T on January 02, 2016, 04:49:18 PM
I would say have one built... if you MUST have one off the shelf there are some people that are happy with the Olympic arms They make a 6.5 grendel and i also belive a 30 ossm
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: JDHasty on January 02, 2016, 06:01:24 PM
I know when my triggers going to break. Being 6lbs or 8oz, makes no difference to me. I shoot them the same. I do prefer a good trigger but I'll give up nothing in the accuracy department barrel wise due to a trigger when assembling a AR. Then again I haven't shot a factory barrel AR in quite awhile.

If I am set up on a predator set I can shoot off a bipod if the target comes in from the front and the trigger is not as important.  But if a coyote is trying to get downwind they could show anywhere and being able to quickly get off a shot, shooting offhand or off a knee is where trigger control, above all else, is what matters to me.  The other thing is on a moving target trigger control is paramount.

This topic used to come up with regularity when I shot high power and silhouette and the consensus opinion was that unless a person had a quality trigger that so long as their rifle was capable of being shot off the bench into a couple inches at a hundred yards the first place to spend money was on trigger work or a trigger. 

Both of these disciplines have an established minimum trigger pull and it is not so much the trigger weight, but the trigger action. 

Generally speaking, from my experience, ARs with a factory barrel are capable of an inch +- at a hundred yards with a little ammo selection.  Barrels like race horses and a horse that wins races is considerably more expensive (tens or hundreds of times so)  than one that runs well but finishes in the field, although the difference in elapsed time over the course of a race is not that great. So too with rifle barrels. A Lilja blank will cost three to ten times what another lesser barrel costs and in the case of a factory barrel the  manufacturers pay much less than you would think.   The setup cost varies according to the precision of the chambering and the gun smithing.

In the case of an AR what you are paying big dollars for in a barrel, when you start with a factory barrel that shoots .8 inch groups with custom handloads, is to shave a quarter inch off of that. 

I can see immediate results that will halve or quarter the shot displacement I have the ability to deliver in the field with a $200+- trigger change out on an AR.  That is how it was when I was shooting high power and silhouette  matches and there were people keeping score on a course of fire in those arenas.   Very few people showed up with a rifle that did not possess sufficient inherent accuracy to win, but none the same a lot of people struggled with being able to close the deal.         
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 02, 2016, 06:08:09 PM
If it's working for you by all means don't change a thing. :tup:
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: actionshooter on January 02, 2016, 06:16:10 PM
I'm not going to say which is most important on my match rifle, its a "system" and I don't skimp on parts....  :tup:
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 02, 2016, 06:19:17 PM
I'm not going to say which is most important on my match rifle, its a "system" and I don't skimp on parts....  :tup:

Haven't you been reading? You can run a factory XXX brand barrel and just toss a aftermarket trigger in it and your off to dominating/sweeping matches!  :o

Sometimes you have to pay to play with the big frogs. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: yorketransport on January 02, 2016, 06:39:14 PM
Barrel first. With twist being a major factor

Trigger and bolt next. I like the Rock River two stage and see no need for the other high end triggers. Bolts are very important(to me). They need to be square and made of the proper material.

Rest is fluff

Wasn't I going to spend a bunch of money on some overpriced trigger for an AR that I'll never actually build? And my bolt's not square at all it's rounded! I've been hustled!!! :chuckle:
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Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: JDHasty on January 02, 2016, 06:40:49 PM
I'm not going to say which is most important on my match rifle, its a "system" and I don't skimp on parts....  :tup:

Haven't you been reading? You can run a factory XXX brand barrel and just toss a aftermarket trigger in it and your off to dominating/sweeping matches!  :o

Sometimes you have to pay to play with the big frogs. :chuckle:

I am saying that value/dollar spent a quality trigger upgrade is going to deliver more down range than a barrel will.  I am saying that a trigger upgrade will do deliver greater benefit/cost to make you competitive than almost any other big dollar modification. 

When I was a lad the model 52 ruled the smallbore game.  It had little or nothing on a model 37 accuracy wise off a bench, but it had the superb micro motion trigger and that is what made it so popular.  There were other ways to go and Kenyon made aftermarket triggers that fit Mosbergs, lesser Winchesters & Remingtons as well as the 37, Savages and perhaps others.  Outside of the 37, none of these match rifles were as inherently accurate, but with a trigger upgrade they all could and would be competitive.  Without a better trigger, only the 37 was really competitive at the higher levels of the game, but they were not nearly as often in the winners circle.

What I am going to add is that once a competitor had advanced to that level most shot 52s.  But until they had a trigger that could be mastered, and I mean mastered at that level in competition, and had mastered trigger control, a less accurate rifle was not a significant hindrance. 

IIRC Ron Kesselring shot a Remington 513 with a significantly upgraded trigger for many years.  It may not have been a 513, but it was a Remington and it was not a 37, but it was enough gun once the trigger was suitable.         
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 02, 2016, 06:56:54 PM
Barrel first. With twist being a major factor

Trigger and bolt next. I like the Rock River two stage and see no need for the other high end triggers. Bolts are very important(to me). They need to be square and made of the proper material.

Rest is fluff

Wasn't I going to spend a bunch of money on some overpriced trigger for an AR that I'll never actually build? And my bolt's not square at all it's rounded! I've been hustled!!! :chuckle:
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Send me that bolt on the right in the photo Yorke, along with the extension to match!
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: actionshooter on January 02, 2016, 07:05:20 PM
I'm not going to say which is most important on my match rifle, its a "system" and I don't skimp on parts....  :tup:

Haven't you been reading? You can run a factory XXX brand barrel and just toss a aftermarket trigger in it and your off to dominating/sweeping matches!  :o

Sometimes you have to pay to play with the big frogs. :chuckle:

 Damn....... I have been doing it wrong  :)
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: yorketransport on January 02, 2016, 07:10:41 PM

Send me that bolt on the right in the photo Yorke, along with the extension to match!

I don't want to burden you with my second rate parts. Maybe I'll just throw this bolt away and build a 300 blackout instead so I can use normal parts. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 02, 2016, 07:16:23 PM

Send me that bolt on the right in the photo Yorke, along with the extension to match!

I don't want to burden you with my second rate parts. Maybe I'll just throw this bolt away and build a 300 blackout instead so I can use normal parts. :chuckle:

You should just send it to me and burden yourself with something more technical. A drunk Girl Scout can assemble a AR and purchase a quality trigger off EBAY in a matter of minutes.
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: jay.sharkbait on January 02, 2016, 07:17:27 PM
I'm not going to say which is most important on my match rifle, its a "system" and I don't skimp on parts....  :tup:

Haven't you been reading? You can run a factory XXX brand barrel and just toss a aftermarket trigger in it and your off to dominating/sweeping matches!  :o

Sometimes you have to pay to play with the big frogs. :chuckle:

I am saying that value/dollar spent a quality trigger upgrade is going to deliver more down range than a barrel will.  I am saying that a trigger upgrade will do deliver greater benefit/cost to make you competitive than almost any other big dollar modification. 

When I was a lad the model 52 ruled the smallbore game.  It had little or nothing on a model 37 accuracy wise off a bench, but it had the superb micro motion trigger and that is what made it so popular.  There were other ways to go and Kenyon made aftermarket triggers that fit Mosbergs, lesser Winchesters & Remingtons as well as the 37, Savages and perhaps others.  Outside of the 37, none of these match rifles were as inherently accurate, but with a trigger upgrade they all could and would be competitive.  Without a better trigger, only the 37 was really competitive at the higher levels of the game, but they were not nearly as often in the winners circle.

What I am going to add is that once a competitor had advanced to that level most shot 52s.  But until they had a trigger that could be mastered, and I mean mastered at that level in competition, and had mastered trigger control, a less accurate rifle was not a significant hindrance.       

Wow, and now I feel bad as I had to slum it with a hand me down 513T
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: actionshooter on January 02, 2016, 07:18:37 PM

Send me that bolt on the right in the photo Yorke, along with the extension to match!

I don't want to burden you with my second rate parts. Maybe I'll just throw this bolt away and build a 300 blackout instead so I can use normal parts. :chuckle:

You should just send it to me and burden yourself with something more technical. A drunk Girl Scout can assemble a AR and purchase a quality trigger off EBAY in a matter of minutes.

 I would hold on to it for now, the price of scrap has been going back up :tup:
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: jay.sharkbait on January 02, 2016, 07:20:44 PM

Send me that bolt on the right in the photo Yorke, along with the extension to match!

I don't want to burden you with my second rate parts. Maybe I'll just throw this bolt away and build a 300 blackout instead so I can use normal parts. :chuckle:

I feel responsible and dare I say guilty(not really).

I'll take that clearly out of spec bolt AND extension and replace it with something Mil ahem... Spec  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 02, 2016, 07:23:06 PM

Send me that bolt on the right in the photo Yorke, along with the extension to match!

I don't want to burden you with my second rate parts. Maybe I'll just throw this bolt away and build a 300 blackout instead so I can use normal parts. :chuckle:

I feel responsible and dare I say guilty(not really).

I'll take that clearly out of spec bolt AND extension and replace it with something Mil ahem... Spec  :rolleyes:

I had first dibs ya shark!
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: jay.sharkbait on January 02, 2016, 07:31:28 PM

Send me that bolt on the right in the photo Yorke, along with the extension to match!

I don't want to burden you with my second rate parts. Maybe I'll just throw this bolt away and build a 300 blackout instead so I can use normal parts. :chuckle:

I feel responsible and dare I say guilty(not really).

I'll take that clearly out of spec bolt AND extension and replace it with something Mil ahem... Spec  :rolleyes:

I had first dibs ya shark!

I really comes down to a safety/ethics thing. Look at the ejector. It's in the wrong spot.... Something is horribly wrong!
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 02, 2016, 07:33:47 PM

Send me that bolt on the right in the photo Yorke, along with the extension to match!

I don't want to burden you with my second rate parts. Maybe I'll just throw this bolt away and build a 300 blackout instead so I can use normal parts. :chuckle:

I feel responsible and dare I say guilty(not really).

I'll take that clearly out of spec bolt AND extension and replace it with something Mil ahem... Spec  :rolleyes:

I had first dibs ya shark!

I really comes down to a safety/ethics thing. Look at the ejector. It's in the wrong spot.... Something is horribly wrong!

Horribly wrong but in a good way!😈 I could do what some would call unethical with that bolt and extension combo. I tend to skip "Unethical" and take it right to "Grossly Unethical".
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: yorketransport on January 02, 2016, 07:37:21 PM

Send me that bolt on the right in the photo Yorke, along with the extension to match!

I don't want to burden you with my second rate parts. Maybe I'll just throw this bolt away and build a 300 blackout instead so I can use normal parts. :chuckle:

I feel responsible and dare I say guilty(not really).

I'll take that clearly out of spec bolt AND extension and replace it with something Mil ahem... Spec  :rolleyes:

I had first dibs ya shark!

I really comes down to a safety/ethics thing. Look at the ejector. It's in the wrong spot.... Something is horribly wrong!

Don't worry, I'm sure that the company that made this clearly defective bolt (just look at how big the bolt face is, it's obviously a mistake!) is making plenty of them and making them available to the market so that anyone can have one. Right? :bash:
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: NW-GSP on January 02, 2016, 08:05:18 PM
6.8? I love .308 ' s and want a 6.8 someday.

I have a 6.8 spc from bison armory. It is grouping under half a inch at 100 yards.
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: yorketransport on January 02, 2016, 08:23:58 PM

Send me that bolt on the right in the photo Yorke, along with the extension to match!

I don't want to burden you with my second rate parts. Maybe I'll just throw this bolt away and build a 300 blackout instead so I can use normal parts. :chuckle:

I feel responsible and dare I say guilty(not really).

I'll take that clearly out of spec bolt AND extension and replace it with something Mil ahem... Spec  :rolleyes:

I had first dibs ya shark!

I really comes down to a safety/ethics thing. Look at the ejector. It's in the wrong spot.... Something is horribly wrong!

Horribly wrong but in a good way!😈 I could do what some would call unethical with that bolt and extension combo. I tend to skip "Unethical" and take it right to "Grossly Unethical".

I'll see your grossly unethical action and raise you one borderline criminally unethical shot on a still to be determined woodland critter of my choosing!
Title: Re: Best AR going ?
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 02, 2016, 08:47:52 PM
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