Post by: Humptulips on December 30, 2015, 06:53:32 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 30, 2015, 07:03:43 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 30, 2015, 07:04:13 PM
Post by: Stalker on December 30, 2015, 07:06:05 PM
Use of "best available science" is written into the Endangered Species Act and that sure as hell didn't stop the Jack Wagons from pushing their illegal agenda to start this whole mess. So those very words should be used to debunk their whole program.
Post by: Dan-o on December 30, 2015, 07:17:03 PM
Every time a goal is met, they move the marker. They are never satisfied.
If they kept their word, I could at least respect them and feel like we should work with them. But it seems they only want one thing: MORE.
Post by: thatdamguy on December 31, 2015, 07:38:20 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 31, 2015, 07:46:40 AM
This will never happen in WA because those groups are on the WAG and they'd never do something underhanded like this. OR should have learned from our program. Anyone have a wolf I could hug? :hello:
Post by: Curly on December 31, 2015, 09:17:03 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 31, 2015, 09:40:09 AM
Don't we have a member on Hunt-Wa that is president or something high up at Cascadia Wildlands?Yes. I can't remember who it is, though. BBarnes knows if you PM him.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on December 31, 2015, 09:40:52 AM
How come nobody has sued for Wolves not being delisted, I don't know all the population numbers but my guess is that since they were let loose out of the Yellowstone habitat pens they haven't had any declining population numbers in any state. They are virtually immune to being killed out like like they were in the past, our avenues to control them aren't lethal enough. :twocents:This So true . You only hear of the animal activist groups suing..Never hear of the sportsmen suing ..It is a joke ! I wish everyone would just give up hunting one year ..Every state ! And then lets see what happens next . This seriously needs to happen . Sportsmen need to take a stand like never before ! Much as I love to hunt I would do it in a heart beat if the majority would comply !
Post by: Stalker on December 31, 2015, 09:54:15 AM
How come nobody has sued for Wolves not being delisted, I don't know all the population numbers but my guess is that since they were let loose out of the Yellowstone habitat pens they haven't had any declining population numbers in any state. They are virtually immune to being killed out like like they were in the past, our avenues to control them aren't lethal enough. :twocents:This So true . You only hear of the animal activist groups suing..Never hear of the sportsmen suing ..It is a joke ! I wish everyone would just give up hunting one year ..Every state ! And then lets see what happens next . This seriously needs to happen . Sportsmen need to take a stand like never before ! Much as I love to hunt I would do it in a heart beat if the majority would comply !
BowHunter; you are so correct that we as a group need to take an active position and with hold our license fees until we have a REAL voice again in these discussions. This has been brought up on this site before and it is amazing how many will not take such a stance. Excuses like I only have so many hunting seasons, or let others do that so there will be less people in the woods for me.
If we in WA could do this for 1 or 2 seasons I would have to think it would get attention here and other States. I would like to hear others weigh in on this as to whether they would or would not give up a year or two to have an impact. You could always take the money you would spend here and go to a neighboring State. I sure would be willing.
Post by: wolfbait on December 31, 2015, 11:45:57 AM
How come nobody has sued for Wolves not being delisted, I don't know all the population numbers but my guess is that since they were let loose out of the Yellowstone habitat pens they haven't had any declining population numbers in any state. They are virtually immune to being killed out like like they were in the past, our avenues to control them aren't lethal enough. :twocents:This So true . You only hear of the animal activist groups suing..Never hear of the sportsmen suing ..It is a joke ! I wish everyone would just give up hunting one year ..Every state ! And then lets see what happens next . This seriously needs to happen . Sportsmen need to take a stand like never before ! Much as I love to hunt I would do it in a heart beat if the majority would comply !
BowHunter; you are so correct that we as a group need to take an active position and with hold our license fees until we have a REAL voice again in these discussions. This has been brought up on this site before and it is amazing how many will not take such a stance. Excuses like I only have so many hunting seasons, or let others do that so there will be less people in the woods for me.
If we in WA could do this for 1 or 2 seasons I would have to think it would get attention here and other States. I would like to hear others weigh in on this as to whether they would or would not give up a year or two to have an impact. You could always take the money you would spend here and go to a neighboring State. I sure would be willing.
Actually that would be the wrong thing to do, that's exactly what the USFWS, WDFW, and environmentalist want, No Hunting! Look at WDFW's future plans for WA, how does a federal funded/environmental group/groups running your state game agency sound? That's why the wolves were introduced, to get rid of hunting etc., WDFW would just get their funding from the feds and environmental groups which is their future plans anyway.
Post by: Stalker on December 31, 2015, 12:13:25 PM
Post by: wolfbait on December 31, 2015, 12:19:33 PM
Whatever the federal funding that WDFW received would not come close to making up for the total $$$ lost to the State. The financial impact on local business and others who support our outdoor endeavors goes far beyond licenses sales. I believe that is part of the bigger financial picture that the State does not realize. The environmental groups espouse the position that site seeing and hikers would bring in more $$$ than the hunting community. I do not believe that to be the case.
The USFWS sure didn't have much trouble stealing the money for the wolf introduction, I kind of think they could get what they needed if the end game was handed to them.
Post by: wolfbait on December 31, 2015, 12:20:04 PM
http://www.opb.org/news/article/oregons-wolf-delisting-to-be-challenged-in-court/
Hope WDFW don't see this article, you can bet they would be looking into these groups, for their WAG.
Post by: WAPatriot on January 02, 2016, 06:38:39 AM
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Post by: Special T on January 04, 2016, 12:50:24 PM
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Post by: wolfbait on January 04, 2016, 04:55:31 PM
Wolfbait. I have mixed reactions to your statement that the wdfw wants to end hunting. Thier actions sure make it look that way the way they cozy up to antis, I think its from fear tho. Dont you remeber when there was talk of a merger between parks dnr and wdfw? The wdfd ran to sportsmen for support to oppose the ban, and we cam to thier rescue. .. we havent recieved much of a thankyou tho have we.
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Go look at WDFW 30 year plan, then remember their wolf push in the 1980's and 90's, look at the wolf plan we have and how WDFW have been at confirming wolves> If WDFW were concern about the deer herds in theMethow etc. one would think they wouldn't be killing off the breeding stock with extra doe tags. Maybe I'm wrong about WDFW wanting to end hunting and instead they really are that poor at managing the game herds.
Post by: Special T on January 04, 2016, 05:15:37 PM
Oh I agree that thier actions are making your point. I just find it schizophrenic that they are taking away the reason they exist. I would think that if they really wanted to kill hunting they would have wanted to merge with the other agencies.Wolfbait. I have mixed reactions to your statement that the wdfw wants to end hunting. Thier actions sure make it look that way the way they cozy up to antis, I think its from fear tho. Dont you remeber when there was talk of a merger between parks dnr and wdfw? The wdfd ran to sportsmen for support to oppose the ban, and we cam to thier rescue. .. we havent recieved much of a thankyou tho have we.
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Go look at WDFW 30 year plan, then remember their wolf push in the 1980's and 90's, look at the wolf plan we have and how WDFW have been at confirming wolves> If WDFW were concern about the deer herds in theMethow etc. one would think they wouldn't be killing off the breeding stock with extra doe tags. Maybe I'm wrong about WDFW wanting to end hunting and instead they really are that poor at managing the game herds.
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Post by: wolfbait on January 05, 2016, 12:55:07 PM
Oh I agree that thier actions are making your point. I just find it schizophrenic that they are taking away the reason they exist. I would think that if they really wanted to kill hunting they would have wanted to merge with the other agencies.Wolfbait. I have mixed reactions to your statement that the wdfw wants to end hunting. Thier actions sure make it look that way the way they cozy up to antis, I think its from fear tho. Dont you remeber when there was talk of a merger between parks dnr and wdfw? The wdfd ran to sportsmen for support to oppose the ban, and we cam to thier rescue. .. we havent recieved much of a thankyou tho have we.
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Go look at WDFW 30 year plan, then remember their wolf push in the 1980's and 90's, look at the wolf plan we have and how WDFW have been at confirming wolves> If WDFW were concern about the deer herds in theMethow etc. one would think they wouldn't be killing off the breeding stock with extra doe tags. Maybe I'm wrong about WDFW wanting to end hunting and instead they really are that poor at managing the game herds.
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It's anyones guess, but for an outfit that relies on hunting success as part of their income they are sure doing a poor job at maintaining the herds, instead they promote and protect predators that will eventually hurt hunting.
Take livestock producers as an example, how many ranchers etc. can survive very long with predators working their herds over day in and day out.