Post by: yorketransport on January 02, 2016, 08:42:18 PM
My best consistent hits are at 36" targets at 2386 yards with a rifle and 18" targets at 1475 yards with one of the pistols. There were a few other shots beyond 2800 yards but those were at nearly 5 foot targets and any hits were almost entirely luck!
I found a spot today to set up targets at over 3400 yards so that's the goal once the 338 Big Baer is up and running.
Post by: Bango skank on January 02, 2016, 08:51:19 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on January 02, 2016, 08:51:43 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 02, 2016, 08:52:47 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 02, 2016, 08:54:35 PM
I sense a trap
Something like: My shot was cooler under the circumstances than yours, type of trap ?
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 02, 2016, 08:54:58 PM
I sense a trap
I predict looooooong 6 paragraph responses!🤕
Post by: Bango skank on January 02, 2016, 08:59:07 PM
I sense a trap
:chuckle:
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 02, 2016, 09:03:28 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 02, 2016, 09:08:51 PM
do missiles count? :tung:
Heck yes! A hits a hit, especially if it's a extremist with laundry on its head!🇺🇸
Post by: Dan-o on January 02, 2016, 09:27:04 PM
My stock Savage Model 10 308 with a Surefire Brake glued to the end was 825 yards offhand on a piece of round 6 foot saw blade steel............2 times.
Does your 308 have enough energy left at 825 yards to ethically hit a piece of saw blade steel.
P.S. 825 yards off hand for me would have to be pure luck (for me.... I'm not impugning your skill. I sure couldn't do it. :tup:)
Post by: actionshooter on January 02, 2016, 09:35:12 PM
I sense a trap
I'm just going to watch..... politely
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 02, 2016, 09:39:08 PM
My stock Savage Model 10 308 with a Surefire Brake glued to the end was 825 yards offhand on a piece of round 6 foot saw blade steel............2 times.
Does your 308 have enough energy left at 825 yards to ethically hit a piece of saw blade steel.
P.S. 825 yards off hand for me would have to be pure luck (for me.... I'm not impugning your skill. I sure couldn't do it. :tup:)
It was pure luck. We could take off our muffs, smoke a cigar and have a shot of Jack Daniels if we wanted too, then hear the ding...It, not it, I was impressive to the guys who shoot monthly. I was a little rusty on that day for sure.... :dunno: Normally, I use a mirror and shoot off my shoulder, like Annie Campmeat used to do. I WAS, the coolest guy there, all day long.. :tup:
Post by: yorketransport on January 02, 2016, 09:42:17 PM
do missiles count? :tung:Yes, but only if there's video! :tup:
I sense a trap
Something like: My shot was cooler under the circumstances than yours, type of trap ?
I sense a spoil sport! And obviously my shots are better than everyone else's! Bango's shot with a Winchester 88 is impressive. My father in law has one that's minute of barn beyond 50 yards but always seems to kill critters! Any shot with a 308 is impressive. I've never had luck getting one to shoot well past 400 yards.
Most of my best witnessed shots aren't at impressive ranges. I've made a few lucky one time hits at unknow distances with random holdovers that I'll never repeat. One of my best was hitting my 10" gong with a 480 Ruger super RedHawk at 300 yards. I hit it one time on my first try and it was witnessed by 4 guys. I never even came close with the rest of them. I should have stopped after the first one!
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 02, 2016, 09:43:12 PM
My stock Savage Model 10 308 with a Surefire Brake glued to the end was 825 yards offhand on a piece of round 6 foot saw blade steel............2 times.
Does your 308 have enough energy left at 825 yards to ethically hit a piece of saw blade steel.
P.S. 825 yards off hand for me would have to be pure luck (for me.... I'm not impugning your skill. I sure couldn't do it. :tup:)
You would have to ask the long winded experts, those would be the ones pointing their fingers at what they call the "Self proclaimed experts" and then you would have to debate or define the true definition of foreign steel because American Union made steel is a complete separate issue in itself when compared to imported Chinese or Japanese steel. I'm sure they will chime in. I'm not a "Ethical Expert".
Post by: jackmaster on January 02, 2016, 09:45:58 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 02, 2016, 09:46:38 PM
Post by: wheels on January 02, 2016, 09:46:53 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 02, 2016, 09:47:11 PM
Deer: 315 yards
Antelope 320 yards
This is all with a Browning A bolt in 270 Winchester. Best cartridge ever invented. Jack O'Connor said so.
Oh, and the scope, Leupold Vari-X III 3.5-10x40.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on January 02, 2016, 09:47:19 PM
Nothing fancy just having fun, took a few shots to get the right hold over. :chuckle:
Handgun was a log across the river from my pasture, haven't ranged it yet, but I know it's over 200 yds. :yike:
And I was using reloads for my 44 magnum I bought from bighammer. ;)
Post by: runamuk on January 02, 2016, 09:50:28 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 02, 2016, 09:52:32 PM
I honestly did hit the saw blade 2 times off hand..... you read it on the internet and I've met Biggerhammer, so it's gotta be true... :tup:
Ah hahahaha! You made my evening! I'm such a unethical jerk! Maybe you shouldn't admit to having met me face to face. Few here have! Also a antisocial jerk, it's hard enough for me to read stupid crap let alone have to endure it in person!
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 02, 2016, 09:59:57 PM
1000 yds frozen milk jugs, Model 70 Classic SS Boss .300 winmag VXII 3x9.
Nothing fancy just having fun, took a few shots to get the right hold over. :chuckle:
Handgun was a log across the river from my pasture, haven't ranged it yet, but I know it's over 200 yds. :yike:
And I was using reloads for my 44 magnum I bought from bighammer. ;)
That's a THUMPER load for sure!
Post by: BrandonWatts on January 02, 2016, 10:02:08 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 02, 2016, 10:04:15 PM
1021 yards on a 18x12 steel plate. I was shooting my 308 with 175 smk. Hoping to get my 300 win mag built then trying for 1400 once I find a place to shoot that far.
The .300 Win Mag is a pleasure to drive at distance. :tup: My favorite across the board chambering by far.
Post by: huntandjeep on January 02, 2016, 10:07:22 PM
620 yards on a coyote with my 22 /.250
Post by: BrandonWatts on January 02, 2016, 10:10:44 PM
1021 yards on a 18x12 steel plate. I was shooting my 308 with 175 smk. Hoping to get my 300 win mag built then trying for 1400 once I find a place to shoot that far.
The .300 Win Mag is a pleasure to drive at distance. :tup: My favorite across the board chambering by far.
Yeah I wish I had the funds to just finish the rifle but this long range stuff is expensive. Going to push a 215 Berger and might try the 230 as well.
Post by: jackelope on January 02, 2016, 10:19:21 PM
Post by: Widgeondeke on January 02, 2016, 10:21:55 PM
do missiles count? :tung:
Funny cause I was gonna say 2,830 meters with a TOW middle.
25mm Bushmaster on Bradley 4,000 meters
1400 meters with 7.62 coaxial MG
800 meters with M16.
Hunting 224 yds with my .243
Post by: passing-thru on January 02, 2016, 10:24:45 PM
Post by: wadu1 on January 02, 2016, 10:29:49 PM
I shot BATs at 1600+ meters about 10 or 12 times nothing to it. :chuckle: But I was using a 20MM Vulcan shooting a 100 round burst, BATs Ballistic Aerial Targets. Indirect fire on jeeps etc. at 3200 meters.do missiles count? :tung:
Funny cause I was gonna say 2,830 meters with a TOW middle.
25mm Bushmaster on Bradley 4,000 meters
1400 meters with 7.62 coaxial MG
800 meters with M16.
Hunting 224 yds with my .243
Post by: coachcw on January 02, 2016, 10:34:09 PM
Post by: mountainman on January 02, 2016, 11:12:37 PM
Post by: Kazekurt on January 02, 2016, 11:22:14 PM
I've taken a number of game animals between 300-400 and prefer to keep it 400 or less. I've pulled of a couple of impressive kills on ground squirls with my 17hmr at just over 300. RImfires can be fun if there's a little bit of a breeze as I feel like I'm not even aiming anywhere close to the target but the Wind pushes it over there. Bow 55 yards on a deer; 100 target. One of these days Ill have to try some of that sniper stuff like you guys just to see if I can
Post by: mountainman on January 03, 2016, 05:07:52 AM
Post by: boneaddict on January 03, 2016, 05:30:55 AM
Post by: kentrek on January 03, 2016, 06:43:51 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 03, 2016, 07:20:37 AM
I honestly did hit the saw blade 2 times off hand..... you read it on the internet and I've met Biggerhammer, so it's gotta be true... :tup:
Ah hahahaha! You made my evening! I'm such a unethical jerk! Maybe you shouldn't admit to having met me face to face. Few here have! Also a antisocial jerk, it's hard enough for me to read stupid crap let alone have to endure it in person!
Few and between on here have met me, too. I'm too far away from anybody and I don't travel..to meet people, so, we're both special.. :tup: People would of not know that fact, until you broke the circle of trust..... :chuckle:
Post by: Blacklab on January 03, 2016, 07:25:23 AM
210 yards 5 chicken eggs 6 shots
Post by: Mulieman on January 03, 2016, 07:42:26 AM
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 03, 2016, 07:55:10 AM
Not a long shot by any means, but most impressive I've made was on a Mt. Dew bottle at a little over 170yrds. Was out with a friend, and my nephew sighting in a Savage 110E 270 I had just bought at a missile silo outside Great Falls MT. We were standing at the back of my truck with rifles laying in bed. A few guys were shooting at the bottle that was up on the hill. One of them hit just under it and it began rolling down hill. I scooped up gun, bolted round, and shot at it. It exploded. :yike: I layed rifle back down and continued conversation...lol..Never in a million years could I make again, and know was pure luck, but played it off like I did everyday. :chuckle: My nephew still thinks I'm the modern day Quigley
That's awesome!
Post by: jasnt on January 03, 2016, 08:00:44 AM
Farthest kill was a coyote at 430 yards with 300 wm shooting 125 gr sst (head shot was the only option)
Still feel the 400 yard shots at 3" round plate is my best shooting. 14 hits in a row with out a miss shooting 64gr bergers @3990
Post by: Bob33 on January 03, 2016, 08:06:46 AM
I passed on a nice mature Mountain Dew this year at 450. I didn't feel right about judging the crosswind and didn't want to wound it. Tracking them is a bugger..
Post by: benhuntin on January 03, 2016, 08:15:11 AM
I killed an elk at 590 yards years ago before I knew much about ballistics, due to a combination of luck and some skill.Mountain Dew?? 20 or 32 oz. 😂😂
I passed on a nice mature Mountain Dew this year at 450. I didn't feel right about judging the crosswind and didn't want to wound it. Tracking them is a bugger..
Post by: jasnt on January 03, 2016, 08:53:09 AM
he passed on the shot so I'd guess is was a 12oz or 16oz with possible ground shrinkage :chuckle:I killed an elk at 590 yards years ago before I knew much about ballistics, due to a combination of luck and some skill.Mountain Dew?? 20 or 32 oz. 😂😂
I passed on a nice mature Mountain Dew this year at 450. I didn't feel right about judging the crosswind and didn't want to wound it. Tracking them is a bugger..
Post by: Eli346 on January 03, 2016, 09:29:43 AM
Post by: AWS on January 03, 2016, 12:19:33 PM
When stationed in Taiwan I would shoot 600 meter competition with the ROC army, offhand with a Rem 742 BDL Delux fitted with competition metallic sights and military 308 target ammo. I held my own with their top shooters, never the best but never laughed at.
I can hit chicken eggs at 200 yards sitting off shooting stick pretty regular.
On game I like to stay under 300 yards and the closer the better.
Post by: Jarhead Chase on January 03, 2016, 12:39:08 PM
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Post by: Biggerhammer on January 03, 2016, 12:46:12 PM
I shot big foot at just over 1000 yards with my son's nerf crossbow. Those mechanical foam expanding tips failed to function, and I couldn't find a good blood trail. You want to talk about a bugger to track. Much harder than finding a wounded Mountain Dew.
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Unethical show off! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :tup:
Post by: Jarhead Chase on January 03, 2016, 12:50:06 PM
Well, I'm not sure if you know this, but I'm kind of a big deal.I shot big foot at just over 1000 yards with my son's nerf crossbow. Those mechanical foam expanding tips failed to function, and I couldn't find a good blood trail. You want to talk about a bugger to track. Much harder than finding a wounded Mountain Dew.
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Unethical show off! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :tup:
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Post by: Larry S. on January 03, 2016, 12:59:27 PM
Larry S.
Post by: Sliverslinger on January 03, 2016, 01:20:21 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on January 03, 2016, 04:08:00 PM
15,800 yards. Three rounds, 5"/38 rapid fire naval cannon. Viet Nam, DMZ, 1972. Short, over, on. Best shot ever. ;)
Larry S.
Just don't lead'em as much. :chuckle:
Post by: Pete112288 on January 03, 2016, 04:47:30 PM
Longest at a target
Stevens 200 .223 cheap bulk ammo, 250 yards.
Longest at animal.
There is a 4 way tie, the last is the most impressive/pure luck.
All 4 shots were 120 yards.
Browning A-Bolt 30-06 on a fork horn buck, prone over a log.
2 were with my Mossberg 535 Slugger with 4 power scope.
A bedded doe, set up rested on my pack (also was over 100 feet below me I was on a cliff edge, she was at the bottom)
My spike buck this year, offhand
The last, and luckiest.
Mossberg 500 Field model 28" barrel and modified choke. Standard bead sights. Remington rifled slug. A coyote at a sharp angle away from me, offhand. Pure dumb luck (or super ninja skills... your pick :chuckle: )
Post by: elkaholic123 on January 03, 2016, 04:51:03 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 07, 2016, 11:36:10 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 07, 2016, 11:47:54 AM
I shot a bug hole at 600 yards one time...pretty neat.Musta had a real tack driver huh?
Post by: bobcat on January 07, 2016, 11:48:12 AM
I shot a bug hole at 600 yards one time...pretty neat.
One shot group?
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 07, 2016, 12:04:25 PM
Or maybe I missed completely - who could say? :dunno:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 07, 2016, 12:08:16 PM
Sorry, should have been more specific. I hit a mud dauber hole at 600 yards.More like rock quarry mine hole... Err,... Uhhh...
Or maybe I missed completely - who could say? :dunno:
Never mind. :chuckle:
Post by: Bill W on January 07, 2016, 12:30:41 PM
Post by: WoodlandShooter on January 07, 2016, 01:43:16 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 07, 2016, 01:47:48 PM
Sorry, should have been more specific. I hit a mud dauber hole at 600 yards.More like rock quarry mine hole... Err,... Uhhh...
Or maybe I missed completely - who could say? :dunno:
Never mind. :chuckle:
I heard about a guy that was able to shoot a Chronograph that was 8 ft away :chuckle:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 07, 2016, 02:29:18 PM
...and it was only ethical because he was shooting a 26 nosler! And made sure everyone there knew how awesome he was!Sorry, should have been more specific. I hit a mud dauber hole at 600 yards.More like rock quarry mine hole... Err,... Uhhh...
Or maybe I missed completely - who could say? :dunno:
Never mind. :chuckle:
I heard about a guy that was able to shoot a Chronograph that was 8 ft away :chuckle:
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 07, 2016, 02:33:51 PM
To the original question, I think my farthest shot (successful) on a deer was right about 400.
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 07, 2016, 02:38:48 PM
Post by: h20hunter on January 07, 2016, 02:48:47 PM
Post by: JJB11B on January 07, 2016, 03:06:26 PM
Post by: Rich_S on January 07, 2016, 03:08:59 PM
One of our troop took a couple shots with his Remington 700 in 7 mm mag, but you could see from the puffs in the dust he was way behind. Without much hope, I stood up and pulled down and ahead with the .284. My first shot was 10' behind. Second shot was 5' behind. Last shot (it only holds three) dropped the 2-pt and he rolled end over. We measured it at 375 yards downhill.
I couldn't have done it with a scope, 'cause I wouldn't have seen the dust puffs on the misses. Now, 30 years later, I'd be lucky to hit a safe shooting from inside with the door shut.
Post by: VarmintVentilator on January 07, 2016, 04:53:42 PM
Post by: mountainman on January 07, 2016, 10:29:27 PM
I would never attempt this at deer or any other game animal, but coyotes I don't care. Last Febuary with my neighbor spotting for me, 1187 yds. This last October 872 yds. both ate there last meals. Both with a 243.Good shooting VV! What's more fun then keeping the local songdog poulation in check!
Post by: rudysts on January 08, 2016, 10:44:58 AM
Post by: rbros on January 08, 2016, 05:56:06 PM
997yd Coyote
1877yd Deer (cheated on this one, had shot the target it was standing by an hour earlier and new the exact dope)
5" 4 shots group on steel at 1417yds
3 shots at 2367yds on 1/2moa rock
Post by: actionshooter on January 08, 2016, 06:21:21 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 08, 2016, 08:28:19 PM
I shot a flying hummingbird at 30 yds with a 10/22............. :)
Going to be hard to top that!
Post by: Bill W on January 08, 2016, 09:22:31 PM
Sorry, should have been more specific. I hit a mud dauber hole at 600 yards.More like rock quarry mine hole... Err,... Uhhh...
Or maybe I missed completely - who could say? :dunno:
Never mind. :chuckle:
I heard about a guy that was able to shoot a Chronograph that was 8 ft away :chuckle:
I can beat that. I skidded a bullet along a friends chronie at 5 feet once. It was the metal circuit paper one from light years ago.
Post by: duckmen1 on January 08, 2016, 09:30:06 PM
Clay pigeons a lot at 550 with variety of calibers
Post by: xXLojackXx on January 08, 2016, 10:09:26 PM
But really. Nobody cares. No mine is bigger!
Post by: VarmintVentilator on January 09, 2016, 08:30:05 AM
It's all relative to your equipment. Shooting a .223 at 1000 is about the same difficulty as shooting a .338 at 1900 yards. Everyone can shoot in ideal conditions with 5 rounds to walk it in to the target. The better question would be what's your furthest FIRST round hit with what conditions.
But really. Nobody cares. No mine is bigger!
Yep, you got it!
Post by: yorketransport on January 09, 2016, 09:09:08 AM
I shot a flying hummingbird at 30 yds with a 10/22............. :)
Did you have your hummingbird tag with you? :chuckle:
Post by: Rich_S on January 09, 2016, 03:46:01 PM
I would never attempt this at deer or any other game animal, but coyotes I don't care. Last Febuary with my neighbor spotting for me, 1187 yds. This last October 872 yds. both ate there last meals. Both with a 243.
I'm sure you you would try a shot at a fatally wounded animal and let it die a slow death in a posted "No Hunting" area.
Post by: mountainman on January 09, 2016, 03:52:28 PM
huh??I would never attempt this at deer or any other game animal, but coyotes I don't care. Last Febuary with my neighbor spotting for me, 1187 yds. This last October 872 yds. both ate there last meals. Both with a 243.
I'm sure you you would try a shot at a fatally wounded animal and let it die a slow death in a posted "No Hunting" area.
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 09, 2016, 03:53:36 PM
I've read it like 10 times and still don't get it :dunno:
Post by: Rich_S on January 09, 2016, 04:02:20 PM
Just trying to clear up his confusion about my motive for shooting, that's all.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 09, 2016, 04:07:23 PM
Post by: VarmintVentilator on January 09, 2016, 04:47:23 PM
Post by: Rich_S on January 09, 2016, 04:53:10 PM
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on January 09, 2016, 05:31:43 PM
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Post by: JDHasty on January 09, 2016, 07:00:31 PM
We have wasted ammo at a paint mark on the coulee wall for decades, after dinner when we had nothing else to do if it was still light enough to shoot. But there was always question as to whether we hit the paint mark or not.
Since putting the plate up it is obvious (boom... .. . ding) and it is really fun seeing if we can deal with the central WA winds. We hit it more often than the law should allow if we set up a bench and shoot off a tripod front rest and sand bags.
Post by: JohnVH on January 11, 2016, 12:18:55 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 12, 2016, 09:54:39 AM
I guess I should have quoted back 1 more post. I told about shooting a wounded deer at long range as it was running towards a fenceline posted no hunting. He responded the he would never try a shot like that. I was repeating the circumstance under which I shot. I would never try that shot at a healthy animal and I'm sure he wouldn't either.
Just trying to clear up his confusion about my motive for shooting, that's all.
:tup: gotcha
Post by: Elliott on January 12, 2016, 10:18:58 AM
Post by: JDHasty on January 12, 2016, 11:11:17 AM
This cat is married to my cousin. He does a lot of long range shooting and has a ledger in which every round of ammo he has sent downrange is written down in. He is a pretty nice guy and builds custom rifles for a living.
http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f17/300gn-scenar-2700-yards-57137/index3.html
Liltank,
First off, you seem to misunderstand my position on this topic. If you would have read my comments on the original topic of this event you would know I clearly believe that the kill is possible and that certainly the 338 Lapua has plenty of power at this range to easily kill any human if hit correctly.
My concerns is with the three shots, three kills claim and I stand by that. I also agree that if I were in this position, I would do the exact same thing this sniper did, throw lead until the thread was eliminated or I ran out of ammo and had to call in support. Of course, running out of ammo in this situation would not be wise.
As far as the test you propose I perform that you feel needs to be done to support my "Opinion" is not needed. I have tested this with hundreds of shots. This is not opinion I am offering, its based solely on actual shooting I have done with MANY chamberings in this caliber at ranges from 1900 to 3000 yards and probably close to $1000 spent in just ammo componants in this testing alone.
Several years back we were heavy into getting into the Varmint Masters Down range clubs. This is a world wide competition to make live varmint kills at various ranges including 500, 1000, 1500 and 2000 yards as well as a competition for the longest shot of the year award.
We set up some smaller caliber rifles and my brother, my Dad and myself all quickly got into the 500 yard club the first time we went out. On the next couple trips we tried for the 1000 yard clubs but this proved to be much more challanging. As such, I put together two heavy V-Block rifles just for this purpose. Both were chambered in the 338 Kahn(338-378 Wby with 35 degree shoulder). My rifle had a 34" barrel and short throat, my brothers had a 36" barrel and he wanted it long throated.
My rifles favorite load was the 300 gr SMK at 2850 fps and my brothers accuracy load was the same bullet at 2930 fps. In our drop chart testing we needed to use a BC of .80 at our 3500 ft elevation to get exbal to match up with actual bullet trajectory.
After several weeks of testing the drop charts we took my brothers rifle out and He and Dad used it to make one shot kills at 1010 and 1015 yards.
By this time I had built my "little" Black Sunshine chambered in my 338 Allen Magnum and on its first outing we set up just to see what it would do and I was able to make a rockchuck kill at 2370 yards with it. Admittedly, I had to walk in the shots because I had not even fine tuned a drop chart yet but it took a total of 6 shots at this range. The 6 shot landed true so I was in the 2000 yard club on the first outing with this rifle and that shot turned out to be the longest shot of the year for a live varmint kill.
On the next outing I used Black sunshine to make a kill at 1095 yards qualifying me for the 1000 yard club as well. So now we were all in the 500 and 1000 yard clubs and I had gotten into the 2000 yard club.
I stepped back now and let Dad and My brother try for the 1500 yard club using his Kahn. Unfortunately this just did not happen because it was late in the season and the targets got few and far between. However, we did want to keep practicing so we would go out hunting and if nothing showed as far as a live varmint we would practice at field targets just to test drops and practice in the wind.
One day my brother set up in a 1/2 moa sized rock at what we measured to be 2500 yards. We dialed up for the shot and he sent a round down range. Dad and I were both spotting, nothing showed any sign of impact. We thought this was a bit strange so he sent another one down range. Again, nothing......
Now this rifle is a legit 1/4 moa rifle in good conditions, at 1000 yards, its not hard to hold 1/2 moa with three shots again in good conditions so I was very suprised to see these phantom shots.
We set there for several minutes trying to figure things out. Then we decided to check point of impact at 1000 yards thinking maybe we just lost our zero and were on the wrong revolution on the turret. Dialed back to zero and dialed up for the 1000 yard target. First shot sent up a plum of white dust off the rocks face. As did shots 2 and 3 on this 1 moa sized rock. All three hits were solidly in the center of the rock........
Dialed up again for 2500 yards, took a shot, nothing.......
Then we set up for a shot at roughly a mile, I beleive the target rock was at 1740 yards. Returned the scope to zero and dialed up for the new range. First shot landed on the bottom center edge of the roughly 1 moa target rock. Two clicks up and the next two shots landed solidly on the target. What was going on!!!
Tried again at 2500 yards and this time I pulled the magnification power back so I had a wider field of view. I beleive I dropped back to 20x instead of the 60 I was on earlier spotting the shots. This tine I did see the bullet impact. It was roughly 40 yard to the right???? He took another shot and this time the impact was about the same to the right but 30 yards low as well......
The last shot of the day was 20 yards low and a few yards to the left. Extremely poor consistancy.
Looking over the numbers, his rifle should have held super sonic velocity to 2450-2500 yards so what was the problem. I decided to unpack Black Sunshine and try it at this range. My load was the 300 gr SMK loaded to 3420 fps. Dialed up and first shot was about 2 moa low. Held up one more line on the NP-R2 reticle and on the second shot hit the rock. To be fair, the third shot landed just over the rock but the fourth shot did break the top edge of the rock.
It was late in the day so we decided to pull out and come back the next weekend. We loaded up a bunch of fresh ammo, checked muzzle velocity, cleaned the rifles and loaded up shooting bench and steel targets to do much more testing. We set up gongs at 2000, 2200, 2300, 2400 and 2500 yards.
Set up at 2000 yards. On the 20" round gong his rifle shot very well. Once dialed in it easily held three shots on the 1 moa gong... I then tried my Kahn with similiar results but admittedly, his rifle is more accurate then mine by around 1/4 moa at this range pretty consistantly. Still both were very consistant and accurate with predictable bullet tracking.
Next up was 2200 yards. Again, his rifle was dead on with the dial ups from 2000 to 2200 yards. First three shots landed on steel which in this case was my 18"x36" gong.
My rifle did pretty well putting two of three shots on the gong but again, it was clear his rifle was the better shooter. I then pulled out Black Sunshine and she proved more then up to this range.
Next was 2300 yards after the rifles cooled. My brothers did very well again, putting three out of five shots on steel with the two misses landing JUST off the gongs. My 338 Kahn however did not perform well at all. In fact shots flew very wide. Out of five shots fired, three came within 1 moa of the gong with no misses but two others landed very wide making a group that would be measured at around 5-6 moa. So at 2200 yards, the rifle was easily under 1 moa but at 2300 yards it was a 5-6 moa rifle......
Black Sunshine performed just as well as it had at 2200 yards. making it relatively easy to hit steel at this range in the good conditions we were shooting at.
Next up was 2400 yards. My brothers rifle started to show its limits here as it started performing just as mine had at 2300 yards. Now a rifle that was easily inder 3/4 moa at 2300 yards was not printing 4-5 moa groups. He did however get two shots on steel but he did have 6 misses as well.
Black Sunshine did much better with 4-5 shots on steel.
At 2500 yards. My 338 Kahn was shooting groups that had to be measured in yards and three shots were not even witnessed with impacts. My brothers repeated his performance from shooting at this range before.
Black sunshine again, performed very well, putting 4-7 shots on steel at this range with all misses being very close to steel.
It was clear that my rifle had a limit of around 2200-2250 yards with the 300 gr SMK loaded to 2850 fps. My brothers was allowing about 100 yards more reach with his roughly 100 fps higher muzzle velocity. When things went bad as far as bullet stability, things REALLY went bad quickly as far as group size growing dramatically.
In seeing this, I was curious how far my 338 Allen Magnum would reach. We found some target rocks at what we measured to be 2600, 2700 and 2800 yards away. At 2600 yards, the 338 AM was consistant and predictable. At 2700 yards, there was a noticable drop off in accuracy but shot placement was still consistant and predictable it was clear we were on the fringes. At 2800 yards, consistancy was way off the norm and predictability on scope adjustments was going away quickly. To the point it was clear that the rifle was not useful at this range for precision shooting.
These tests started a fever if you will to push the limits of extreme range consistancy and with the help from my good friend Richard Graves we did extensive testing with the 338 RUM, 338 Edge, 338 Lapua, 7mm AM, 300 RUM, 338 Xpress and my big 338 AM and 375 AMs.
The chamberings that offered the longest reach with consistant predictable shot placement were the 7mm AM with the 200 gr ULD RBBT loaded to 3300 fps with its BC of .920 and my 338 AM with the 300 gr SMK loaded to 3400 fps. Both of these offered 2700 yard reach but admittedly, the 7mm was very difficult to spot impacts and could really only be seen with good light conditions.
Then Richard sent me down some very aggressive 265 gr Aluminum tipped RBBT prototype bullets made with a very heavy jacket. I tested them in my 338 Allen Magnum and got a velocity of 3550 fps in one of my Xtreme Heavy Sporter rifles. At this velocity the drop testing showed a BC of around .88 to get trajectory matched up with exbal, which stated this load should stay supersonic past 3100 yards.
We set out to test this and set a 20" round gong up at a measured 3008 yards. Again, admittedly, I needed all of the MOA adjustment in the 5.5-22 NF scope and then still had to use the reticle for hold over to this range but once we got the hold figured out, the rifle went three for three on a 20" gong so that is 3/4 moa at 3000 yards.
The conditions were ideal, no mirage as it was a cool cloudy day, no wind, ideal. Later that day we tried to repeat the tests but it had cleared up and there was noticable mirage. In those conditions, even with no wind, I was only able to get one shot on steel out of five fired simply because of the mirage.
It was clear however that in good conditions, this load was a legit 3000 yard reacher.
We also tested these bullets in the smaller 338 magnums and it was the same results there, roughly adding 300 yards to the maximum effective range of the chamberings used.
In testing the 338 Lapua with 300 gr SMK, it to is around a 2300 yard rifle in ideal conditions. With the most aggressive BC bullets out there it could be extended to 2600 yards in my testing. At 9000 ft elevation, 2700 yards could be possible but again, that is with extremely high BC bullets.
Again, I have tested this dozens of times and it always holds true. Admittedly, I have never used the Senar bullets much, have no desire to, their BC is only marginally higher then the 300 gr SMK and performance tests have been done over and over again proving they are not a good game bullet so I have no desire to test them but I have tested the 300 gr SMK with a very similiar BC and a 265 gr AT RBBT with a vastly superior BC and have no doubt what the Senar would do and that would be perform very similiar to the SMK.
If your calling me out because of my comments, please do not read more into them then what I have said. I am not saying this was not possible, I am just saying that making three hits at this range in three shots is so unlikely it boarders on extremely hard to believe.
The guy on sniper hide only proved my point for me. Why do you need to have me duplicate this test again, this guy just did it and I am sure I would get identical performance as he just did which is inconsistant shot placement at this range with a 338 Lapua.
He did prove its possible to hit a 3 foot gong one time out of at least 5 shots but he also proved his rifle and his ability was not up to making three hits in a row.......
Do we need to prove it again?
Its been proven time and time again. I am glad the brit killed those guys. I have no doubt it happened, my only claim is that I find it very hard to believe he went three for three, that has been my only point all along, DO NOT READ MORE INTO IT THEN I HAVE SAID!!
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Post by: mountainman on January 23, 2016, 11:38:42 PM
I couldn't afford the arrows trying to do that. LOL172 yards..not the farthest but fun non the lessthis is up at the annual 3-d Shoot we put on at the Loop Loop Ski Hill back home Bone. Every Memorial weekend. Been doing it for 30+ years. Need to come up and we will shoot our longbows. Beer is on me!