Post by: 257wbymagkiller on January 04, 2016, 06:50:51 PM
I know barrel, and bolt but is that all thats needed?
Go easy on me here guys
Or maybe even a 7mm wby or 270 wby id consider turnning it into
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 05, 2016, 07:25:18 AM
Post by: bhawley76 on January 05, 2016, 07:42:37 AM
Post by: bobcat on January 05, 2016, 07:50:09 AM
Why are you wanting to change barrels and cartridge? Is it not accurate enough? If that's the case, have a gunsmith do some minor work on the existing rifle.
Post by: elkslayer069 on January 05, 2016, 08:15:42 AM
Might post this is the gun section :twocents:
Post by: 257wbymagkiller on January 05, 2016, 08:29:36 AM
I know 30-378 iso not cheap at all but sure is fun.
7mm wby and 270 wby have always been on my hit list so I figured why not build on out of the 700 PSS and keep the 700 long range that's brand new. :dunno:
So would you guys do the 7mm wby or the 270 wby??
Probably should should be in the gun section. Good call.
Post by: Dan-o on January 05, 2016, 08:32:26 AM
Oh, sorry, wrong thread.
I just thought that as long as everyone was telling you that you don't want what you said you want that I'd chime in.
Happy New Year. :IBCOOL:
Post by: haugenna on January 05, 2016, 08:38:13 AM
Load data 30378 wby. 110 grains of retumbo 3350 fps
Load data 300 Rum. 100.2 grains of retumbo 3460 fps
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 05, 2016, 08:48:41 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 05, 2016, 09:42:17 AM
I have reloaded for both. The 300 rum was more efficient. If you want to have fun, turn the 300 rum into a 338 edge.What bullet weights are these numbers with?
Load data 30378 wby. 110 grains of retumbo 3350 fps
Load data 300 Rum. 100.2 grains of retumbo 3460 fps
Post by: haugenna on January 05, 2016, 09:48:49 AM
the wby may outshine the rum with heavier bullets but not the case with the 180's
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 05, 2016, 09:52:44 AM
180 grain accubond and ballistic tips. Both had the same poi and the bt's grouped better at longer ranges.These are accuracy load numbers with your rifles?
I like posts like this, real life experience trumps published load data any day of the week.
I helped with load development on a 338-378 and 300 bergers. Could punch them real fast but accuracy wasn't there. Ended on a 2800 ish fps load for accuracy in that case.
Post by: haugenna on January 05, 2016, 09:55:13 AM
Post by: 257wbymagkiller on January 05, 2016, 10:23:18 AM
If I were in your place I think I would sell one rum and buy a weatherby mark 5 used. Cabelas in Lacey has a couple in 30-378. The accumarks I have been around have all been great shooters!
We'll darn if camel's has a couple I might have to go check it out.
I have reloaded for both. The 300 rum was more efficient. If you want to have fun, turn the 300 rum into a 338 edge.
Load data 30378 wby. 110 grains of retumbo 3350 fps
Load data 300 Rum. 100.2 grains of retumbo 3460 fps
Have you had much experience with 338 edge and if so how did you like it?
Post by: haugenna on January 05, 2016, 10:34:44 AM
Post by: jackelope on January 05, 2016, 10:35:35 AM
I'm with haugenna, a .338 Edge would be fun, and different than what you already have.
Post by: 257wbymagkiller on January 05, 2016, 11:15:45 AM
Not sure why you'd want to turn a hot-rod .30 cal into another hot-rod .30 cal if you're looking for something different.
I'm with haugenna, a .338 Edge would be fun, and different than what you already have.
Yeah Idk hahaha I guess just want to build a semi custom bolt gun.
Post by: whacker1 on January 05, 2016, 11:35:55 AM
Not sure why you'd want to turn a hot-rod .30 cal into another hot-rod .30 cal if you're looking for something different.
I'm with haugenna, a .338 Edge would be fun, and different than what you already have.
I shoot a 300 RUM and hunting partner has a 30-378. We are working on loads now to make the factory Weatherbey loads less expensive, and I am just trying some different powders and bullets in my RUM. If I were ever looking to hot rod my 300 RUM, the 338 edge would be the platform I would move to because the cost to do so is very affordable. New barrel, reamer by gun smith, longer box mag, and dies and load development. I am sure I missed something, and would actually provide the hot rod gains you are looking for. Long heavy bullets flying at ridiculously fast speeds. Very economical upgrade for what you are trying to do.
Post by: 257wbymagkiller on January 05, 2016, 11:43:21 AM
Not sure why you'd want to turn a hot-rod .30 cal into another hot-rod .30 cal if you're looking for something different.
I'm with haugenna, a .338 Edge would be fun, and different than what you already have.
I shoot a 300 RUM and hunting partner has a 30-378. We are working on loads now to make the factory Weatherbey loads less expensive, and I am just trying some different powders and bullets in my RUM. If I were ever looking to hot rod my 300 RUM, the 338 edge would be the platform I would move to because the cost to do so is very affordable. New barrel, reamer by gun smith, longer box mag, and dies and load development. I am sure I missed something, and would actually provide the hot rod gains you are looking for. Long heavy bullets flying at ridiculously fast speeds. Very economical upgrade for what you are trying to do.
We'll 338 edge is looking very tempting now. I'm going to have to look into it now and do some research now.
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 05, 2016, 12:01:22 PM
Easy to reload for, I just used RCBS .338 Ultra magnum dies and it still performed under half MOA with a 30" Benchmark barrel.
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Post by: 257wbymagkiller on January 05, 2016, 12:12:22 PM
I would go with the .338 Edge and the Berger 300gr OTM's. The 300's shot well for me in the Edge along with the Hornady 285gr BTHP.
Easy to reload for, I just used RCBS .338 Ultra magnum dies and it still performed under half MOA with a 30" Benchmark barrel.
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I like that.
Biggerhammer are you able to get a barrel for that or aid in the process of a build
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 05, 2016, 12:19:16 PM
They are in Arlington WA
http://benchmark-barrels.com/Benchmark_Barrels/Benchmark_Barrels_Home.html
Post by: 257wbymagkiller on January 05, 2016, 01:28:18 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 05, 2016, 01:40:19 PM
Post by: b23 on January 05, 2016, 01:40:36 PM
So im thinking about taking my Rem 700 PSS in 300 RUM and turnning it into a 30-378 wby, what all is needed to do so it will be my first bolt gun build.
I know barrel, and bolt but is that all thats needed?
Go easy on me here guys
Or maybe even a 7mm wby or 270 wby id consider turnning it into
You can address the larger case head in two different ways.
1) You can have your current bolt face opened up to accommodate the larger case head of the big Weatherby but you'll also need to replace the extractor when you do. I'd highly recommend using a pinned style extractor if you go this route.
2) Buy a whole new bolt from someone like PT&G with the appropriate size bolt face and already cut for a new pinned type extractor.
Unless you are just dead set on going the 30-378 route or you'll need factory ammo, I'd do a 30-338 Lapua Improved instead of the 30-378 Bee.
I've got a 300AX (Allen Express), aka 30-338 Lapua Improved, built on a Rem 700 by Kirby Allen. With either, you want at least a 28in tube and I wouldn't go with anything smaller than a Sendero size barrel contour. My 300AX has a Lilja #6 1-10tw 28in barrel and I shoot the Berger 230 Hybrid Tactical 3250 fps and have yet to through away a piece of brass with this load.
The 378 case is longer and has more case capacity than the improved 338 Lapua case but when both are loaded to a usable COAL the case capacities become much more even and Lapua brass speaks for itself with regard to quality and durability.
Regardless of which big 30 cal you choose, I'd have the extended mag box installed and if you do the 30-378 I'd make sure the reamer didn't have Weatherby freebore.
Post by: 257wbymagkiller on January 05, 2016, 01:51:36 PM
So im thinking about taking my Rem 700 PSS in 300 RUM and turnning it into a 30-378 wby, what all is needed to do so it will be my first bolt gun build.
I know barrel, and bolt but is that all thats needed?
Go easy on me here guys
Or maybe even a 7mm wby or 270 wby id consider turnning it into
You can address the larger case head in two different ways.
1) You can have your current bolt face opened up to accommodate the larger case head of the big Weatherby but you'll also need to replace the extractor when you do. I'd highly recommend using a pinned style extractor if you go this route.
2) Buy a whole new bolt from someone like PT&G with the appropriate size bolt face and already cut for a new pinned type extractor.
Unless you are just dead set on going the 30-378 route or you'll need factory ammo, I'd do a 30-338 Lapua Improved instead of the 30-378 Bee.
I've got a 300AX (Allen Express), aka 30-338 Lapua Improved, built on a Rem 700 by Kirby Allen. With either, you want at least a 28in tube and I wouldn't go with anything smaller than a Sendero size barrel contour. My 300AX has a Lilja #6 1-10tw 28in barrel and I shoot the Berger 230 Hybrid Tactical 3250 fps and have yet to through away a piece of brass with this load.
The 378 case is longer and has more case capacity than the improved 338 Lapua case but when both are loaded to a usable COAL the case capacities become much more even and Lapua brass speaks for itself with regard to quality and durability.
Regardless of which big 30 cal you choose, I'd have the extended mag box installed and if you do the 30-378 I'd make sure the reamer didn't have Weatherby freebore.
After thinking about it i think im going to go with the .338 Edge
So all ill need to get is a new barrel and some dies to get going :tup:
Think im going with a 30" tube
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 05, 2016, 01:52:15 PM
OK I'll give them a call and what length are you having the most luck with? 30" or a little shorter?
If your going to be building a "Heavy" what's the difference between 26" and 30" weight wise? Not much? 30" just gives you max velocity within reason.
If it were a sporter weight, I would opt for 26".
Post by: b23 on January 05, 2016, 02:00:07 PM
It really sucks to have all that case capacity, like the 378 has, but you have to shoot it at speeds the same as a 338 RUM or you get groups that look like a shotgun pattern.
If you hang a Sendero size contour of at least 28 inches, not including brake, with a match grade chamber from one of the many top tier barrel companies, Benchmark would certainly be a good choice, and you have a whole different animal but in the factory barreled rifles like the Accumark, not so much.
Post by: b23 on January 05, 2016, 02:11:07 PM
The big 30's are fun and have a lot to offer if they're built right and the recoil of the 30cal 230's is less than the .338 300's but have a good quality baffle brake installed and it's all good. :tup:
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 05, 2016, 02:27:18 PM
A game animal or a target turret at distance won't be able to really tell the difference. Also since the .338 RUM is a slightly shorter case. It solves some of the COAL issues with the heavies in the .338 Edge when it comes to mag box length issues. My Edge has a wyattes extended mag box.
Post by: b23 on January 05, 2016, 02:36:05 PM
Post by: 257wbymagkiller on January 05, 2016, 02:43:13 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 05, 2016, 03:10:17 PM
I think i will do a benchmark barrel and probably a vais break, the stock will be on its way to CDI for the DBM install, HMMM trigger now :IBCOOL:
:tup: :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup:
Post by: JJB11B on January 05, 2016, 03:12:20 PM
Financially would be my best bet....Closest thing I can get to the .338 edge?
Post by: mountainman on January 05, 2016, 04:04:46 PM
FWIW, if you want something that is a bit of a hot rod, do not buy the Accumark in 30-378 or 338-378. The barrel on both is the weak link, it's not only to short but is also to light weight to see any real performance out of either of these two cartridges. I had one, a 338-378, and whenever you try to throttle them up, the groups opened up and the more you try and stand on the gas the worse they get.yes, hit and miss. Owned both, and guess I was fortunate. Both were very accurate shooters! Others though not so good. And love the Edge. Have owned and or shot dozens of them, back before most had even heard of the round. Inherently accurate when built by Rbros, Carlock, or Benchmark. But the Weatherby outclassed it in an accurate Accumark if you get a good one! :tup:
It really sucks to have all that case capacity, like the 378 has, but you have to shoot it at speeds the same as a 338 RUM or you get groups that look like a shotgun pattern.
If you hang a Sendero size contour of at least 28 inches, not including brake, with a match grade chamber from one of the many top tier barrel companies, Benchmark would certainly be a good choice, and you have a whole different animal but in the factory barreled rifles like the Accumark, not so much.
Post by: mountainman on January 05, 2016, 04:06:43 PM
man I wish I had the capitol for such a project. What kind of barrel life comparison for 300 ultra and the other mentioned projects? .338 Edge sounds like it would be nice for reaching those coyotes 800 + yards out theredropped several coyotes just shy of 900 yards. Yes, it works nicely :)
Financially would be my best bet....Closest thing I can get to the .338 edge?
Post by: 257wbymagkiller on January 05, 2016, 04:22:08 PM
man I wish I had the capitol for such a project. What kind of barrel life comparison for 300 ultra and the other mentioned projects? .338 Edge sounds like it would be nice for reaching those coyotes 800 + yards out there
Financially would be my best bet....Closest thing I can get to the .338 edge?
As far as barrel life IDK i have about 300 ish rounds threw mine and shes atill holding great groups, id think its about the same as all the other magnums around 800 to 1000 depending :dunno: not 100% though
Post by: rbros on January 06, 2016, 07:43:40 PM
Post by: 257wbymagkiller on January 06, 2016, 08:34:58 PM
You won't be disappointed with an edge. I build a lot of them for guys. Accurate and forgiving.
Im sending you a PM about possible build :tup:
Post by: mountainman on January 06, 2016, 10:41:38 PM
:tup: You won't be disappointed! He built my first one! Broughton barrelYou won't be disappointed with an edge. I build a lot of them for guys. Accurate and forgiving.
Im sending you a PM about possible build :tup:
Defiance action
Manners stock
Jewel trigger
DE brake
Extended mag
Seekins 20 rail a integral lug mortise
Full customs builds guarantee a level of accuracy often not found on semi-custom jobs. At least that has been my experience with having many of both. This particular build from Travis keeps 300gr. SMK' s or OTM's in a tight, should I day very tight cloverleaf at 300 yards! 100Yards? Rarely waste the time, but when it is shot at that range, one single hole. Give Travis a call. And there are many on this site shooting his rifles, hunters and competitors both!
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 06, 2016, 11:13:39 PM
Shop around and do the math any gunsmiths name that's worth repeating on the Internet can true a action, chamber, thread and crown a barrel.
It can be tossed in most any chassis or stock of your choosing. I prefer to send my smiths all of the parts. Barrel, action, stock, brake etc.
Then I know exactly where I'm at $$$$! Wise for his work. Numbers get real inflated often when you just send a action and leave it to a smith.
When you have had enough rifles built. $3500 for a Remington 700 based custom in a McMillan tactical is out of the ball park. Some of us actually know how long it takes to do the metal work.
Benchmark has supplied the 30" barrel, trued my action, chambered(.338 Edge) threaded, fitted , bead blasted and installed a muscle brake and returned it to me for $900.00. Add the cost of the stock and bedding and look where your at NO where near $3000.00 plus. If a guy wants a name on his rifle for that money it should have " GA PRECISION " stamped on it. GA's at the top of the hill and resale is top notch and the owner has proved himself as a "World Class shooter".
Post by: rbros on January 07, 2016, 06:46:13 AM
Any of the top barrel manufacturers 338 barrels will shoot lights out. I haven't had a Broughton 338 barrel that hasn't shot in the 3/8" or less range.
Both targets are 5 shot groups. One from a customer and another from my personal rifle.
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Post by: Biggerhammer on January 07, 2016, 07:29:38 AM
Post by: mountainman on January 07, 2016, 08:17:54 AM
The customer supplying parts will typically save a guy a little money as long as everything fits together. This way you aren't paying the excise tax that we have to charge. Make sure you work with your builder to ensure everything fits together. You might have a design that doesn't really fit together and will cause you headaches in the long run. Lots of "world class shooters" are builders out there. Many to choose from.proof in the pudding right there!
Any of the top barrel manufacturers 338 barrels will shoot lights out. I haven't had a Broughton 338 barrel that hasn't shot in the 3/8" or less range.
Both targets are 5 shot groups. One from a customer and another from my personal rifle.
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Post by: b23 on January 07, 2016, 09:45:03 AM
I think picking the right barrel contour for the application you plan to use it, is one of the most overlooked aspects of a build with parts and pieces pre-purchased by the owner. When you start slinging heavy bullets out of large capacity cases you want a barrel with a sizable diameter and the longer you go the bigger you should consider. In something like a 338 Edge that'll be pumping 300 grainers out the end, it's overall weight should be a ways down on the priority list. By the time you get it scoped up with a quality scope that's capable of consistently dialing up and down with repeatable results, you'll be around 12-14lbs and possibly more, depending on the stock you choose. Take a look at the barrels in the pics of these long range shooters, they generally have pretty good sized contours on them, at least the ones that shoot really well typically do.
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 07, 2016, 09:59:52 AM
Post by: 257wbymagkiller on January 07, 2016, 04:22:38 PM
Post by: mountainman on January 07, 2016, 10:19:58 PM
L-R.. 30/378 Wthrby, 300 RUM, 338/378 Wthrby, 338 Edge.
(Laz Warbird on end)
Post by: 257wbymagkiller on January 07, 2016, 10:24:33 PM
Post by: whacker1 on January 08, 2016, 09:13:36 AM
Wow I guess there isnt it might just be worth it to sell the 700 PSS than and keep my new one, hahah the PSS only has 60 rounds threw it haha
Your gains are to be had on the bullet selection of the 338 by going to the Edge getting into Long Heavy Balistically superior bullets vs. what is available in the 300. 300 RUM can push some big ones that are in the 225-250 grain range. I don't know all the options, but the 338 gets into the 300 grain bullet range, which is where your gains are to be had for what most are pursuing.
If you were going to keep both 300 RUM, I would set one up to shoot light and fast. 168-180 grain and then set up the other to shoot heavy longer choices in the 225 range.
Post by: jjhunter on January 08, 2016, 09:23:22 AM
I just started a new build from scratch and the edge was at the top of my list. If I would have had the appropriate action laying around, it would have been a no brainer.
Post by: 257wbymagkiller on January 08, 2016, 01:49:19 PM
Wow I guess there isnt it might just be worth it to sell the 700 PSS than and keep my new one, hahah the PSS only has 60 rounds threw it haha
Your gains are to be had on the bullet selection of the 338 by going to the Edge getting into Long Heavy Balistically superior bullets vs. what is available in the 300. 300 RUM can push some big ones that are in the 225-250 grain range. I don't know all the options, but the 338 gets into the 300 grain bullet range, which is where your gains are to be had for what most are pursuing.
If you were going to keep both 300 RUM, I would set one up to shoot light and fast. 168-180 grain and then set up the other to shoot heavy longer choices in the 225 range.
Yeah that could be an option i might go with or sell and build one boss Edge hmmmm
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 08, 2016, 02:21:28 PM
Post by: 257wbymagkiller on January 08, 2016, 02:40:34 PM
The 215 and 230 bergers in the 300 rum are pretty impressive, but not as much so as a 300 in the 338. I'm not sure I'd trade my 300 rum with 215 grainers for anything tho. That combo has been magic for me
That is a great combo what to do what to do.......
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 08, 2016, 02:45:57 PM
Keep us posted on your build man, this is making me want a 338 Edge build all the more :tup:
Post by: 257wbymagkiller on January 08, 2016, 02:52:32 PM
Post by: b23 on January 08, 2016, 03:35:02 PM
Post by: 257wbymagkiller on January 08, 2016, 03:41:24 PM
I still wouldn't rule out a 30-338 Lapua Improved or 338 Lapua Improved. Both have a pretty decent size fps advantage over the 300 RUM or 300 RUM based Edge and 338 Lapua brass is much easier to find as well as last significantly longer.
True Lapua brass is some of the best out there, my norma brass i usse in the weatherbys is also good stuff to
Post by: zike on January 08, 2016, 04:25:48 PM
Post by: 257wbymagkiller on January 08, 2016, 04:33:30 PM
Post by: rbros on January 08, 2016, 05:43:16 PM
I still wouldn't rule out a 30-338 Lapua Improved or 338 Lapua Improved. Both have a pretty decent size fps advantage over the 300 RUM or 300 RUM based Edge and 338 Lapua brass is much easier to find as well as last significantly longer.
These 2 are in a world of their own and really would need a custom action to get the most benefit out of them. Might be more than he wants to bite off at this time.
Post by: 257wbymagkiller on January 08, 2016, 05:49:41 PM
I still wouldn't rule out a 30-338 Lapua Improved or 338 Lapua Improved. Both have a pretty decent size fps advantage over the 300 RUM or 300 RUM based Edge and 338 Lapua brass is much easier to find as well as last significantly longer.
These 2 are in a world of their own and really would need a custom action to get the most benefit out of them. Might be more than he wants to bite off at this time.
:yeah: :yeah:
Lets not get to carried away on the first build.
I need someone close to put on a break for me, any recommendations :dunno:
Post by: jkthomps on January 08, 2016, 06:43:05 PM
The customer supplying parts will typically save a guy a little money as long as everything fits together. This way you aren't paying the excise tax that we have to charge. Make sure you work with your builder to ensure everything fits together. You might have a design that doesn't really fit together and will cause you headaches in the long run. Lots of "world class shooters" are builders out there. Many to choose from.Little left and a little high ;)
Any of the top barrel manufacturers 338 barrels will shoot lights out. I haven't had a Broughton 338 barrel that hasn't shot in the 3/8" or less range.
Both targets are 5 shot groups. One from a customer and another from my personal rifle.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi104.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm175%2F7mmam%2F12072620_10154165026291490_8432382620056740627_n_zpsd0zsadi6.jpg&hash=33252cad7f01d3631b823bd45f79ce1498ac7c5c)
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Post by: 257wbymagkiller on January 08, 2016, 07:01:56 PM
Post by: zike on January 08, 2016, 08:11:46 PM
And what pawn shop is that???
Steve's Pawn in Lewiston ID. I think the Moneysaver ads are on line, but I've never looked. 208 746 6148
Some one else has a Nightforce 4-14 SHV for $800.00
Post by: 257wbymagkiller on January 08, 2016, 08:30:28 PM
And what pawn shop is that???
Steve's Pawn in Lewiston ID. I think the Moneysaver ads are on line, but I've never looked. 208 746 6148
Some one else has a Nightforce 4-14 SHV for $800.00
Thank you for the info
Post by: mountainman on January 08, 2016, 09:50:06 PM
3 shot "groups" are one thing..5 shots single hole, another. Combine an very accurate built rifle, and someone who can shoot it, This is the result! Nice shooting Travis! :tup:The customer supplying parts will typically save a guy a little money as long as everything fits together. This way you aren't paying the excise tax that we have to charge. Make sure you work with your builder to ensure everything fits together. You might have a design that doesn't really fit together and will cause you headaches in the long run. Lots of "world class shooters" are builders out there. Many to choose from.Little left and a little high ;)
Any of the top barrel manufacturers 338 barrels will shoot lights out. I haven't had a Broughton 338 barrel that hasn't shot in the 3/8" or less range.
Both targets are 5 shot groups. One from a customer and another from my personal rifle.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi104.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm175%2F7mmam%2F12072620_10154165026291490_8432382620056740627_n_zpsd0zsadi6.jpg&hash=33252cad7f01d3631b823bd45f79ce1498ac7c5c)
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Post by: 257wbymagkiller on January 08, 2016, 10:19:44 PM
3 shot "groups" are one thing..5 shots single hole, another. Combine an very accurate built rifle, and someone who can shoot it, This is the result! Nice shooting Travis! :tup:The customer supplying parts will typically save a guy a little money as long as everything fits together. This way you aren't paying the excise tax that we have to charge. Make sure you work with your builder to ensure everything fits together. You might have a design that doesn't really fit together and will cause you headaches in the long run. Lots of "world class shooters" are builders out there. Many to choose from.Little left and a little high ;)
Any of the top barrel manufacturers 338 barrels will shoot lights out. I haven't had a Broughton 338 barrel that hasn't shot in the 3/8" or less range.
Both targets are 5 shot groups. One from a customer and another from my personal rifle.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi104.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm175%2F7mmam%2F12072620_10154165026291490_8432382620056740627_n_zpsd0zsadi6.jpg&hash=33252cad7f01d3631b823bd45f79ce1498ac7c5c)
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi104.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm175%2F7mmam%2F12042899_10154160131071490_7262955229827334192_n_zpse0kgj4m8.jpg&hash=9bb49563d4bfc860ebce70f1696d0f668e584236)
Thats for sure there, ill need to practice before I post groups up next to that!
Post by: jkthomps on January 09, 2016, 07:44:58 AM
My comment was meant to be sarcastic with the wink, hope nobody thought I was too serious. That is great shooting, Travis! 5 shots in the exact same hole is great!3 shot "groups" are one thing..5 shots single hole, another. Combine an very accurate built rifle, and someone who can shoot it, This is the result! Nice shooting Travis! :tup:The customer supplying parts will typically save a guy a little money as long as everything fits together. This way you aren't paying the excise tax that we have to charge. Make sure you work with your builder to ensure everything fits together. You might have a design that doesn't really fit together and will cause you headaches in the long run. Lots of "world class shooters" are builders out there. Many to choose from.Little left and a little high ;)
Any of the top barrel manufacturers 338 barrels will shoot lights out. I haven't had a Broughton 338 barrel that hasn't shot in the 3/8" or less range.
Both targets are 5 shot groups. One from a customer and another from my personal rifle.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi104.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm175%2F7mmam%2F12072620_10154165026291490_8432382620056740627_n_zpsd0zsadi6.jpg&hash=33252cad7f01d3631b823bd45f79ce1498ac7c5c)
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi104.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm175%2F7mmam%2F12042899_10154160131071490_7262955229827334192_n_zpse0kgj4m8.jpg&hash=9bb49563d4bfc860ebce70f1696d0f668e584236)
I am currently on another one of my builds and love seeing the info posted and different ideas and combos. It is very informative. If anyone has a left handed long range build for sale, I'd be interested :)
Post by: mountainman on January 09, 2016, 08:05:50 PM
Post by: Rick on January 09, 2016, 08:33:08 PM
3 shot "groups" are one thing..5 shots single hole, another. Combine an very accurate built rifle, and someone who can shoot it, This is the result! Nice shooting Travis! :tup:The customer supplying parts will typically save a guy a little money as long as everything fits together. This way you aren't paying the excise tax that we have to charge. Make sure you work with your builder to ensure everything fits together. You might have a design that doesn't really fit together and will cause you headaches in the long run. Lots of "world class shooters" are builders out there. Many to choose from.Little left and a little high ;)
Any of the top barrel manufacturers 338 barrels will shoot lights out. I haven't had a Broughton 338 barrel that hasn't shot in the 3/8" or less range.
Both targets are 5 shot groups. One from a customer and another from my personal rifle.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi104.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm175%2F7mmam%2F12072620_10154165026291490_8432382620056740627_n_zpsd0zsadi6.jpg&hash=33252cad7f01d3631b823bd45f79ce1498ac7c5c)
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi104.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm175%2F7mmam%2F12042899_10154160131071490_7262955229827334192_n_zpse0kgj4m8.jpg&hash=9bb49563d4bfc860ebce70f1696d0f668e584236)
The top target is actually a 3 shot group. My buddy shot it over the summer.
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 09, 2016, 08:56:05 PM
3 shot "groups" are one thing..5 shots single hole, another. Combine an very accurate built rifle, and someone who can shoot it, This is the result! Nice shooting Travis! :tup:The customer supplying parts will typically save a guy a little money as long as everything fits together. This way you aren't paying the excise tax that we have to charge. Make sure you work with your builder to ensure everything fits together. You might have a design that doesn't really fit together and will cause you headaches in the long run. Lots of "world class shooters" are builders out there. Many to choose from.Little left and a little high ;)
Any of the top barrel manufacturers 338 barrels will shoot lights out. I haven't had a Broughton 338 barrel that hasn't shot in the 3/8" or less range.
Both targets are 5 shot groups. One from a customer and another from my personal rifle.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi104.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm175%2F7mmam%2F12072620_10154165026291490_8432382620056740627_n_zpsd0zsadi6.jpg&hash=33252cad7f01d3631b823bd45f79ce1498ac7c5c)
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi104.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm175%2F7mmam%2F12042899_10154160131071490_7262955229827334192_n_zpse0kgj4m8.jpg&hash=9bb49563d4bfc860ebce70f1696d0f668e584236)
The top target is actually a 3 shot group. My buddy shot it over the summer.
Hmmmmmmm.
Post by: mountainman on January 09, 2016, 09:05:06 PM
still better Then some, or most, can shoot! ;)3 shot "groups" are one thing..5 shots single hole, another. Combine an very accurate built rifle, and someone who can shoot it, This is the result! Nice shooting Travis! :tup:The customer supplying parts will typically save a guy a little money as long as everything fits together. This way you aren't paying the excise tax that we have to charge. Make sure you work with your builder to ensure everything fits together. You might have a design that doesn't really fit together and will cause you headaches in the long run. Lots of "world class shooters" are builders out there. Many to choose from.Little left and a little high ;)
Any of the top barrel manufacturers 338 barrels will shoot lights out. I haven't had a Broughton 338 barrel that hasn't shot in the 3/8" or less range.
Both targets are 5 shot groups. One from a customer and another from my personal rifle.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi104.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm175%2F7mmam%2F12072620_10154165026291490_8432382620056740627_n_zpsd0zsadi6.jpg&hash=33252cad7f01d3631b823bd45f79ce1498ac7c5c)
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi104.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm175%2F7mmam%2F12042899_10154160131071490_7262955229827334192_n_zpse0kgj4m8.jpg&hash=9bb49563d4bfc860ebce70f1696d0f668e584236)
The top target is actually a 3 shot group. My buddy shot it over the summer.
Post by: rbros on January 10, 2016, 09:55:55 AM
Post by: rbros on January 10, 2016, 10:00:54 AM
3 shot "groups" are one thing..5 shots single hole, another. Combine an very accurate built rifle, and someone who can shoot it, This is the result! Nice shooting Travis! :tup:The customer supplying parts will typically save a guy a little money as long as everything fits together. This way you aren't paying the excise tax that we have to charge. Make sure you work with your builder to ensure everything fits together. You might have a design that doesn't really fit together and will cause you headaches in the long run. Lots of "world class shooters" are builders out there. Many to choose from.Little left and a little high ;)
Any of the top barrel manufacturers 338 barrels will shoot lights out. I haven't had a Broughton 338 barrel that hasn't shot in the 3/8" or less range.
Both targets are 5 shot groups. One from a customer and another from my personal rifle.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi104.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm175%2F7mmam%2F12072620_10154165026291490_8432382620056740627_n_zpsd0zsadi6.jpg&hash=33252cad7f01d3631b823bd45f79ce1498ac7c5c)
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi104.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm175%2F7mmam%2F12042899_10154160131071490_7262955229827334192_n_zpse0kgj4m8.jpg&hash=9bb49563d4bfc860ebce70f1696d0f668e584236)
The top target is actually a 3 shot group. My buddy shot it over the summer.
Hmmmmmmm.
I sense your normal sceptisism, so since I own one of the rifles anyone is more than welcome to shoot it. It has shot many groups in the .1's and under as well as many sub .25 moa groups at distance with both experienced and new shooters.
Post by: 257wbymagkiller on January 10, 2016, 01:37:51 PM
Post by: yorketransport on January 10, 2016, 02:10:28 PM
I've never been into keepingredients my targets so I guess I can't really prove how accurate any of my rifles are hahaha
I got in the habit of only keeping the exceptional ones. It better be well under .2" if it wants to come home with me!
I wouldn't rule out the 7 RUM with the new 195 Bergers at about 3000fps. It should give both the 338 Edge and the 300 RUM a run for their money at most reasonable ranges. Not to mention that in identical configurations the 7 RUM will have less recoil, and it's pretty noticeable after a day of shooting. It was much easier for me to spot hits when I had the 7 RUM barrel on my gun shooting the 200gr Wildcat bullets @ 2980 fps than it was shooting the same gun with the 338 Edge barrel and 300gr Bergers @2925fps. I'm not afraid of recoil, but I don't see any need to get kicked around if it's not necessary.
Andrew
Post by: jkthomps on January 10, 2016, 02:13:01 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on January 10, 2016, 02:14:51 PM
I've never been into keepingredients my targets so I guess I can't really prove how accurate any of my rifles are hahaha
I got in the habit of only keeping the exceptional ones. It better be well under .2" if it wants to come home with me!
Andrew
It's really the easiest way to be internet cool.
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 10, 2016, 02:28:54 PM
Post by: mountainman on January 10, 2016, 02:31:43 PM
:yeah: :chuckle:I've never been into keepingredients my targets so I guess I can't really prove how accurate any of my rifles are hahaha
I got in the habit of only keeping the exceptional ones. It better be well under .2" if it wants to come home with me!
Andrew
It's really the easiest way to be internet cool.
Post by: yorketransport on January 10, 2016, 03:09:32 PM
No! Paying 4500.00 to 5000.00 to have 1700.00 bucks worth a of parts screwed together is cool.😎 Do a search, there's 50 plus smiths that claim the most accurate rifles on the planet.
For the record, I build the most accurate rifles on the planet. I just fail to use them to their full potential. :chuckle:
I've never been into keepingredients my targets so I guess I can't really prove how accurate any of my rifles are hahaha
I got in the habit of only keeping the exceptional ones. It better be well under .2" if it wants to come home with me!
Andrew
It's really the easiest way to be internet cool.
You know, being internet cool is the first step to being internet famous. The next step is to make tutorial videos and display how your superficial knowledge of a subject provides you with just enough insight to convince up and coming internet cool kids that you know what you're doing.
I'm not going to lie, I consider myself a bit of an expert on this whole "internets" thing. I was offered a youtube sponsorship by a toothpaste company out of Azerbaijan that I've never heard of. Yeah, I'm kind of a big deal.... :chuckle:
Post by: 257wbymagkiller on January 10, 2016, 03:39:38 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on January 10, 2016, 03:40:48 PM
No! Paying 4500.00 to 5000.00 to have 1700.00 bucks worth a of parts screwed together is cool.😎 Do a search, there's 50 plus smiths that claim the most accurate rifles on the planet.
For the record, I build the most accurate rifles on the planet. I just fail to use them to their full potential. :chuckle:I've never been into keepingredients my targets so I guess I can't really prove how accurate any of my rifles are hahaha
I got in the habit of only keeping the exceptional ones. It better be well under .2" if it wants to come home with me!
Andrew
It's really the easiest way to be internet cool.
You know, being internet cool is the first step to being internet famous. The next step is to make tutorial videos and display how your superficial knowledge of a subject provides you with just enough insight to convince up and coming internet cool kids that you know what you're doing.
FFS, why do you have to make everything so difficult? I'm just trying to git my stuff dialed up so I can hang on Snippers hide.
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 10, 2016, 03:56:11 PM
No! Paying 4500.00 to 5000.00 to have 1700.00 bucks worth a of parts screwed together is cool.😎 Do a search, there's 50 plus smiths that claim the most accurate rifles on the planet.
For the record, I build the most accurate rifles on the planet. I just fail to use them to their full potential. :chuckle:I've never been into keepingredients my targets so I guess I can't really prove how accurate any of my rifles are hahaha
I got in the habit of only keeping the exceptional ones. It better be well under .2" if it wants to come home with me!
Andrew
It's really the easiest way to be internet cool.
You know, being internet cool is the first step to being internet famous. The next step is to make tutorial videos and display how your superficial knowledge of a subject provides you with just enough insight to convince up and coming internet cool kids that you know what you're doing.
FFS, why do you have to make everything so difficult? I'm just trying to git my stuff dialed up so I can hang on Snippers hide.
Word has it you can pay for on line " Super Sniper" courses over on the "Hide" and be a LEGEND!😉
Post by: yorketransport on January 10, 2016, 03:56:55 PM
FFS, why do you have to make everything so difficult? I'm just trying to git my stuff dialed up so I can hang on Snippers hide.
I don't really think you're "Hide" material. Do you even snipe bro?
We should put together a Hunt-Wa long range competition. To meet up and bragging rights :)
This really isn't a bad idea. I don't know that there should be guns involved though. There are some pretty "passionate" individuals on here. ;)
Post by: jay.sharkbait on January 10, 2016, 04:20:20 PM
FFS, why do you have to make everything so difficult? I'm just trying to git my stuff dialed up so I can hang on Snippers hide.
I don't really think you're "Hide" material. Do you even snipe bro?
I really try to avoid talking about this on social media, but I was a tier 1 underwater forklift driver.........
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 10, 2016, 04:35:06 PM
FFS, why do you have to make everything so difficult? I'm just trying to git my stuff dialed up so I can hang on Snippers hide.
I don't really think you're "Hide" material. Do you even snipe bro?
I really try to avoid talking about this on social media, but I was a tier 1 underwater forklift driver.........
I've heard it referred to as a "Dolphin Polisher" but what do I know. :chuckle:
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 10, 2016, 08:23:37 PM
Post by: 257wbymagkiller on January 10, 2016, 08:43:38 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 10, 2016, 08:45:37 PM
Well on call of duty I have the most quick scope kills :chuckle:
What's "Call Of Duty" ?
Post by: 257wbymagkiller on January 10, 2016, 09:18:05 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 10, 2016, 09:31:06 PM
It's theses war game that all the kids play and think they can do it all and no everything about guns and sniping just cause they play it ha :tup:
Kind of like the groups of guys you see at the local range with camo rifles, bush hats and fatigues. Shooting at steel. I get it.
Post by: 257wbymagkiller on January 10, 2016, 09:43:08 PM
It's theses war game that all the kids play and think they can do it all and no everything about guns and sniping just cause they play it ha :tup:
Kind of like the groups of guys you see at the local range with camo rifles, bush hats and fatigues. Shooting at steel. I get it.
That's hilarious me and my buddy were just talking about that hahahahahaah :chuckle:
Post by: mountainman on January 10, 2016, 10:13:27 PM
Yep, lots of wanna-bes at the ranges, in the hills, and on the internet too ;) but many of those "steel" shooters are phenomenal shots on game. Proven year after year :tup:It's theses war game that all the kids play and think they can do it all and no everything about guns and sniping just cause they play it ha :tup:
Kind of like the groups of guys you see at the local range with camo rifles, bush hats and fatigues. Shooting at steel. I get it.
That's hilarious me and my buddy were just talking about that hahahahahaah :chuckle:
Post by: 257wbymagkiller on January 11, 2016, 09:30:54 AM
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 11, 2016, 10:27:53 AM
I would have to agree. Lots of great shooters on here
:tup: :tup:
Post by: 257wbymagkiller on January 11, 2016, 09:01:12 PM
Post by: mountainman on January 16, 2016, 10:01:03 PM
Me being the best of course!!!! :chuckle:of course!
Post by: mountainman on January 23, 2016, 09:07:49 PM
Post by: 257wbymagkiller on January 23, 2016, 09:19:06 PM
Post by: mountainman on January 23, 2016, 09:33:12 PM
Post by: 257wbymagkiller on January 23, 2016, 09:35:44 PM
Post by: mountainman on January 23, 2016, 09:59:32 PM
Post by: 257wbymagkiller on January 23, 2016, 10:24:35 PM
Post by: yorketransport on January 24, 2016, 07:46:45 AM
Post by: mountainman on January 24, 2016, 08:43:48 AM
Oh for sure. Popped my tire up in the snow. Broke the Rubicons sway bar blew a shock out and bent my skid plate to heck ha :tup:Not built like the once were :(
Post by: The scout on January 24, 2016, 09:21:08 AM
Post by: 257wbymagkiller on January 24, 2016, 10:50:06 AM
So does this mean that you start a new "help me rebuild my Jeep" thread? :chuckle:
Hahahah more like a carnage thread hahaha
Post by: mountainman on January 24, 2016, 11:04:36 AM
Post by: jkthomps on January 27, 2016, 07:45:58 PM
Post by: jkthomps on January 27, 2016, 07:53:21 PM