Post by: stryker on January 13, 2016, 07:06:21 AM
Tax ammo at 5 cents a round starting in July with HB 2374
Here is the link: http://app.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=2374&year=2015
Please go to site and click 'Comment on this bill', and Comment on it!
Sorry if this is a duplicate post.
Post by: MADMAX on January 13, 2016, 07:08:30 AM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on January 13, 2016, 07:09:02 AM
Post by: krout81 on January 13, 2016, 07:09:25 AM
Post by: Dhoey07 on January 13, 2016, 07:10:34 AM
Post by: stryker on January 13, 2016, 07:12:46 AM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,189525.0.html
THANK YOU :tup:
Post by: theleo on January 13, 2016, 07:13:57 AM
Post by: Dhoey07 on January 13, 2016, 07:15:14 AM
Just talk to a heavy smoker. When they go to Idaho to get a few cartons of cigarettes, give them some money to get you a case of 5.56. Problem solved. :tup:
Might as well pick up a jug too.
Post by: bobcat on January 13, 2016, 07:42:26 AM
Unless it passes in every state this will make it cheaper to buy online from a state without the tax :yike:
The problem will be for people who are reloaders- primers and powder are already too expensive to buy online due to the additional haz mat fees charged. So that stuff I always buy locally.
But how much would the actual tax be according to the way this bill is written? I don't know. If it's a nickel per container of powder, that's nothing. But what would it be for primers? A nickel for each primer? :yike:
Or a nickel per box of 100?
Post by: Eli346 on January 13, 2016, 07:46:44 AM
Post by: krout81 on January 13, 2016, 07:54:54 AM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on January 13, 2016, 08:13:03 AM
This bill is an attack on gun owners - plain and simple.
The very first line is sophomoric at best - of course we have to have guns to have gun violence. The biggest link with gun violence has been proven time and again - areas that maintain a stricter gun control tend to experience a higher volume of gun violence. It's not the average gun owner who is at fault for creating gun violence, it is the legislation that makes it more difficult for the average gun owner to defend himself from thugs.
Punishing law abiding citizens because they happen to have a different hobby or lifestyle than your own is against everything that we as Americans stand for.
Post by: theleo on January 13, 2016, 09:29:35 AM
I understand what you're saying about components. I've moved away from store bought bullets for the most part and cast my own. For the reloader that buys everything in the state of Washington (I think they might be able to still tax Internet Sales on this to) it'd be pretty painful. They would tax you 3 times (4 if you need brass) every time you restocked your powder, primers, and bullets. It's a stupid bill and just a money grab on a group that's easy to target with this states politics.Unless it passes in every state this will make it cheaper to buy online from a state without the tax :yike:
The problem will be for people who are reloaders- primers and powder are already too expensive to buy online due to the additional haz mat fees charged. So that stuff I always buy locally.
But how much would the actual tax be according to the way this bill is written? I don't know. If it's a nickel per container of powder, that's nothing. But what would it be for primers? A nickel for each primer? :yike:
Or a nickel per box of 100?
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 13, 2016, 09:43:13 AM
Post by: saylean on January 13, 2016, 09:52:07 AM
For shame on these people.
Post by: toyman2 on January 13, 2016, 10:21:32 AM
Adding 5 cents per round per sale could make this expensive.
If this was to pass, I would never buy another round in this state again.
Post by: bhawley76 on January 13, 2016, 10:42:41 AM
Post by: full choke on January 13, 2016, 11:03:19 AM
So would this be only for retail?
Adding 5 cents per round per sale could make this expensive.
If this was to pass, I would never buy another round in this state again.
Pretty sure that is the goal.
Post by: Bob33 on January 13, 2016, 11:35:39 AM
A primer or bullet is not a round.Unless it passes in every state this will make it cheaper to buy online from a state without the tax :yike:
The problem will be for people who are reloaders- primers and powder are already too expensive to buy online due to the additional haz mat fees charged. So that stuff I always buy locally.
But how much would the actual tax be according to the way this bill is written? I don't know. If it's a nickel per container of powder, that's nothing. But what would it be for primers? A nickel for each primer? :yike:
Or a nickel per box of 100?
"There is levied and collected a fee upon the retail sale of all ammunition in an amount equal to five cents per round of ammunition. The fee imposed under this section must be paid by the buyer."
Post by: bobcat on January 13, 2016, 11:38:48 AM
A primer or bullet is not a round.Unless it passes in every state this will make it cheaper to buy online from a state without the tax :yike:
The problem will be for people who are reloaders- primers and powder are already too expensive to buy online due to the additional haz mat fees charged. So that stuff I always buy locally.
But how much would the actual tax be according to the way this bill is written? I don't know. If it's a nickel per container of powder, that's nothing. But what would it be for primers? A nickel for each primer? :yike:
Or a nickel per box of 100?
"There is levied and collected a fee upon the retail sale of all ammunition in an amount equal to five cents per round of ammunition. The fee imposed under this section must be paid by the buyer."
I agree but someone posted that the bill also includes reloading components.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 13, 2016, 11:40:25 AM
Quote
As used in this section, "ammunition" means cartridge cases, primers, bullets, or propellant powder designed for use in any firearm.
Post by: Bob33 on January 13, 2016, 11:43:18 AM
Ooops. You're right. I just saw that. Thanks for the correction.QuoteAs used in this section, "ammunition" means cartridge cases, primers, bullets, or propellant powder designed for use in any firearm.
Post by: Spuddieselwwu on January 13, 2016, 11:47:52 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 13, 2016, 11:48:38 AM
I'm kind of wondering about shot? The upland guys and trap shooters could really get it bad. #8 shot :yike:Ooops. You're right. I just saw that. Thanks for the correction.QuoteAs used in this section, "ammunition" means cartridge cases, primers, bullets, or propellant powder designed for use in any firearm.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on January 13, 2016, 11:55:01 AM
Let's just secede.
And build a wall and have New California pay for it.
Post by: Dhoey07 on January 13, 2016, 11:57:01 AM
Let's just secede.
Says the guy who lives in King County
Post by: theleo on January 13, 2016, 11:58:14 AM
Let's just secede.Just run the line down the crest of the Cascades down to California border with Oregon. East side Oregonians have no love for the west side politics either.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on January 13, 2016, 11:59:09 AM
Let's just secede.
Says the guy who lives in King County
You will probably need a few people behind enemy lines.
Post by: Torrent50 on January 13, 2016, 12:29:06 PM
Let's just secede.Just run the line down the crest of the Cascades down to California border with Oregon. East side Oregonians have no love for the west side politics either.
Don't lump me in with the "New California" group. I'm on the west side and I want nothing to do with their crap either.
Post by: theleo on January 13, 2016, 01:09:17 PM
Look on the bright side at least I'm not discriminating against you because of your gender, race, creed or religion. Just the fact that by looking at the numbers, along with your geographical location, you and/or your neighbors will vote for these sort of Hillary 2016'esq sort of bills. I know we will lose a few good people but I'm willing to sacrifice you guys. :tup:Let's just secede.Just run the line down the crest of the Cascades down to California border with Oregon. East side Oregonians have no love for the west side politics either.
Don't lump me in with the "New California" group. I'm on the west side and I want nothing to do with their crap either.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on January 13, 2016, 01:10:47 PM
Look on the bright side at least I'm not discriminating against you because of your gender, race, creed or religion. Just the fact that by looking at the numbers, along with your geographical location, you and/or your neighbors will vote for these sort of Hillary 2016'esq sort of bills. I know we will lose a few good people but I'm willing to sacrifice you guys. :tup:Let's just secede.Just run the line down the crest of the Cascades down to California border with Oregon. East side Oregonians have no love for the west side politics either.
Don't lump me in with the "New California" group. I'm on the west side and I want nothing to do with their crap either.
Yay, you. Way to take nothing for the team!
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 13, 2016, 01:11:48 PM
The way the electoral college is set up, the people in Idaho will look at you and see a Hillary voter.Look on the bright side at least I'm not discriminating against you because of your gender, race, creed or religion. Just the fact that by looking at the numbers, along with your geographical location, you and/or your neighbors will vote for these sort of Hillary 2016'esq sort of bills. I know we will lose a few good people but I'm willing to sacrifice you guys. :tup:Let's just secede.Just run the line down the crest of the Cascades down to California border with Oregon. East side Oregonians have no love for the west side politics either.
Don't lump me in with the "New California" group. I'm on the west side and I want nothing to do with their crap either.
Post by: westsidehntr on January 13, 2016, 01:12:06 PM
Look on the bright side at least I'm not discriminating against you because of your gender, race, creed or religion. Just the fact that by looking at the numbers, along with your geographical location, you and/or your neighbors will vote for these sort of Hillary 2016'esq sort of bills. I know we will lose a few good people but I'm willing to sacrifice you guys. :tup:Let's just secede.Just run the line down the crest of the Cascades down to California border with Oregon. East side Oregonians have no love for the west side politics either.
Don't lump me in with the "New California" group. I'm on the west side and I want nothing to do with their crap either.
Can us down in the SW corner come with you guys? Cowlitz and Clark are pretty conservative. Please??? :chuckle:
Post by: lokidog on January 13, 2016, 01:14:30 PM
Let's just secede.Just run the line down the crest of the Cascades down to California border with Oregon. East side Oregonians have no love for the west side politics either.
Don't lump me in with the "New California" group. I'm on the west side and I want nothing to do with their crap either.
:yeah:
The full timers here wouldn't want it either.....
Post by: Torrent50 on January 13, 2016, 01:15:20 PM
Post by: theleo on January 13, 2016, 01:22:40 PM
Thanks. Very few people appreciate the willingness to throw others under the bus... on the east side anyways. :peep:Look on the bright side at least I'm not discriminating against you because of your gender, race, creed or religion. Just the fact that by looking at the numbers, along with your geographical location, you and/or your neighbors will vote for these sort of Hillary 2016'esq sort of bills. I know we will lose a few good people but I'm willing to sacrifice you guys. :tup:Let's just secede.Just run the line down the crest of the Cascades down to California border with Oregon. East side Oregonians have no love for the west side politics either.
Don't lump me in with the "New California" group. I'm on the west side and I want nothing to do with their crap either.
Yay, you. Way to take nothing for the team!
Post by: Fl0und3rz on January 13, 2016, 01:24:52 PM
Thanks. Very few people appreciate the willingness to throw others under the bus... on the east side anyways. :peep:Look on the bright side at least I'm not discriminating against you because of your gender, race, creed or religion. Just the fact that by looking at the numbers, along with your geographical location, you and/or your neighbors will vote for these sort of Hillary 2016'esq sort of bills. I know we will lose a few good people but I'm willing to sacrifice you guys. :tup:Let's just secede.Just run the line down the crest of the Cascades down to California border with Oregon. East side Oregonians have no love for the west side politics either.
Don't lump me in with the "New California" group. I'm on the west side and I want nothing to do with their crap either.
Yay, you. Way to take nothing for the team!
lol
Post by: Torrent50 on January 13, 2016, 01:25:18 PM
My estimate of the impact of this bill is that if twelve billion rounds are sold in the US annually and we estimate that Washington is approximately 2% of the population, then we would expect approximately 240 million rounds to be sold in our state. At a $0.05 tax (let's call this what it really is: a tax -- not a "fee"), then we would expect it to raise $12,000,000 per year. If we divide that just by the 39 counties in our state, each would get an average of $308,000/year -- that would be enough for 3 more officers in each county (assuming $100,000 in pay, benefits, etc per officer). If we divide that among the 39 counties AND 281 cities and towns, it would average $37,500/ municipality -- that may be enough to enable some municipalities to hire an additional officer but only if they had enough of their own money to fund 2/3 of an officer, but not enough for most to hire an additional officer.
So, that is what it would raise -- assuming that customers in areas adjacent to Oregon or Idaho would still buy ammunition in Washington rather than crossing to another state to purchase it, but, I expect many would cross the border to buy (they cross to avoid sales tax, liquor tax, cigarette tax, gas tax, etc. so it is reasonable to expect they would cross to avoid this tax as well).
But, is this a fair tax? I suggest not. Even with the burden put on law enforcement by those who use guns irresponsibly, we do not need law enforcement to regulate those who use guns and ammunition responsibly. Furthermore, there are a huge number of crimes committed or police calls made that are unrelated to guns which would not be taxed. So, this appears to be a tax that unfairly singles out a certain sector of our society.
Furthermore, if law enforcement is so important (which it is) then it should be funded from existing revenue -- not be reliant on a new tax. I believe that we must prioritize our current revenue and provide services within existing revenues. And, I certainly oppose infringement on our 2nd amendment rights by targeting ammunition to pay for law enforcement to respond to all types of calls -- even those where no gun has been used.
I will not be supporting this bill and will work to defeat it.
Representative Ed Orcutt
20th Legislative District
408 John L. O'Brien Building
PO Box 40600
Olympia, WA 98504
O ed.orcutt@leg.wa.gov
e 360.786.7990
Post by: theleo on January 13, 2016, 01:32:06 PM
Cant risk insurgents coming in. You've been sacrificed, get over it and buy a Subaru. :bfg:Look on the bright side at least I'm not discriminating against you because of your gender, race, creed or religion. Just the fact that by looking at the numbers, along with your geographical location, you and/or your neighbors will vote for these sort of Hillary 2016'esq sort of bills. I know we will lose a few good people but I'm willing to sacrifice you guys. :tup:Let's just secede.Just run the line down the crest of the Cascades down to California border with Oregon. East side Oregonians have no love for the west side politics either.
Don't lump me in with the "New California" group. I'm on the west side and I want nothing to do with their crap either.
Can us down in the SW corner come with you guys? Cowlitz and Clark are pretty conservative. Please??? :chuckle:
Post by: Spuddieselwwu on January 13, 2016, 01:38:25 PM
Let's just secede.
Says the guy who lives in King County
I'd move, don't worry.
Post by: westsidehntr on January 13, 2016, 02:27:22 PM
Cant risk insurgents coming in. You've been sacrificed, get over it and buy a Subaru. :bfg:Look on the bright side at least I'm not discriminating against you because of your gender, race, creed or religion. Just the fact that by looking at the numbers, along with your geographical location, you and/or your neighbors will vote for these sort of Hillary 2016'esq sort of bills. I know we will lose a few good people but I'm willing to sacrifice you guys. :tup:Let's just secede.Just run the line down the crest of the Cascades down to California border with Oregon. East side Oregonians have no love for the west side politics either.
Don't lump me in with the "New California" group. I'm on the west side and I want nothing to do with their crap either.
Can us down in the SW corner come with you guys? Cowlitz and Clark are pretty conservative. Please??? :chuckle:
I'll be a spy for you guys.
Post by: Bango skank on January 13, 2016, 02:34:15 PM
Post by: skeeter 20i on January 13, 2016, 02:51:17 PM
Post by: Bob33 on January 13, 2016, 02:56:48 PM
Post by: huntnphool on January 13, 2016, 03:00:09 PM
The bill is secretly endorsed by Sportsmen's Warehouse in Portland, Midway Shooters Supply, and Graf and Sons.
Link?
Post by: Bango skank on January 13, 2016, 03:03:06 PM
The bill is secretly endorsed by Sportsmen's Warehouse in Portland, Midway Shooters Supply, and Graf and Sons.
Link?
Its a joke dude
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on January 13, 2016, 03:05:15 PM
Post by: lokidog on January 13, 2016, 03:05:51 PM
The State of Lincoln doesn't look so bad now. :bash:
Except that you have to have your Ammo Buying Permit - no joke folks, required to buy ammo in IL. :bash:
Post by: Bango skank on January 13, 2016, 03:08:57 PM
The State of Lincoln doesn't look so bad now. :bash:
Except that you have to have your Ammo Buying Permit - no joke folks, required to buy ammo in IL. :bash:
Required where now? The state of lincoln doesnt exist
Post by: lokidog on January 13, 2016, 03:12:50 PM
Post by: shotguunar on January 13, 2016, 04:14:00 PM
Post by: krout81 on January 13, 2016, 05:39:01 PM
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