Post by: jackelope on January 19, 2016, 10:18:52 AM
I picked the rifle up last night. The scope should be here any day now. It's a Leupold Vari-X II 6-18x40 with M1 turrets installed. I bought a EGW 20moa rail and Burris Extreme Tactical low rings. I guess I didn't need the 20moa rail, but I opted for it so it's there if I do need it. I have the rings here but the rail is still inbound. This will be my first dive into the long range game. I don't have any hopes to have a 1000 yard rifle, but if it works out ok, that's fine. My hope is to have a solid 500-600 yard hunting rifle.
Updates to follow.
Stock photo lifted off of the internet.
Post by: huntnphool on January 19, 2016, 10:21:16 AM
Post by: jackelope on January 19, 2016, 10:25:20 AM
:tup:
Post by: Timberstalker on January 19, 2016, 10:27:29 AM
Can't wait to see this progress.
Post by: XAFSSGT on January 19, 2016, 10:28:56 AM
PS... I-5 Guns down by Cabela's in Lacey does transfers for $25. Smooth as silk as well.
:tup:
They were $20 a few months ago.
Post by: jackelope on January 19, 2016, 10:32:10 AM
PS... I-5 Guns down by Cabela's in Lacey does transfers for $25. Smooth as silk as well.
:tup:
They were $20 a few months ago.
Well, full disclosure. The sign on the store says $25.00. We were charged $20.00 a piece. I wasn't sure if that was a mistake or whatever, but I didn't want to say they were $20 not being sure if they actually were all the time.
Post by: Skillet on January 19, 2016, 10:37:00 AM
Post by: jackelope on January 19, 2016, 10:48:28 AM
Nice get! What's the twist on that one?
26" 10 twist
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 19, 2016, 10:59:03 AM
Post by: bobcat on January 19, 2016, 10:59:47 AM
Post by: Bill W on January 19, 2016, 11:00:17 AM
Only thing I did to my rifle was adjust the trigger. It was hard to find a sour shooting Varmint Special in the 80's. Let's hope you get the same results with your new one.
Bullet choices are better now.
Post by: Skillet on January 19, 2016, 11:14:57 AM
Cool - tagging along on this one.Nice get! What's the twist on that one?
26" 10 twist
Post by: jackelope on January 19, 2016, 11:20:11 AM
That should be a fun one to shoot, with it being a relatively heavy 25/06, recoil should be virtually nothing. Will you be shooting factory ammo?
I will for now, but am working on assembling some reloading equipment so I can do it myself at some point, hopefully soon.
Post by: dontgetcrabs on January 19, 2016, 11:23:40 AM
Well, full disclosure. The sign on the store says $25.00. We were charged $20.00 a piece. I wasn't sure if that was a mistake or whatever, but I didn't want to say they were $20 not being sure if they actually were all the time.
$20 a piece? Did you trade him a firearm too?
Nice rifle, by the way! I have a 29"pacnor 25-06 AI custom. Very accurate.
Post by: jackelope on January 19, 2016, 11:28:36 AM
Well, full disclosure. The sign on the store says $25.00. We were charged $20.00 a piece. I wasn't sure if that was a mistake or whatever, but I didn't want to say they were $20 not being sure if they actually were all the time.
$20 a piece? Did you trade him a firearm too?
Nice rifle, by the way! I have a 29"pacnor 25-06 AI custom. Very accurate.
We did make a trade, yes.
Post by: Woodchuck on January 19, 2016, 11:29:58 AM
Post by: ghosthunter on January 19, 2016, 11:30:55 AM
Post by: jackelope on January 19, 2016, 05:09:24 PM
Going to follow along too. This rifle has been on my list, but I got way legged by a Bond Hand Cannon. :chuckle:
I'll give you a full report at turkey camp this spring LOL.
Post by: DaveMonti on January 19, 2016, 06:50:59 PM
Good luck with it! Let me know if you want some reloading advice.
See you next week at the Gas Lamp!
Post by: Mxracer532 on January 19, 2016, 10:12:35 PM
Post by: jackelope on January 19, 2016, 10:26:09 PM
I was set to pull the trigger on one of these in 7mm or 300wm when I come across a first gen Sendero in 7mm. Still working a load but cant wait to stretch its legs.
From what I've read I think it's almost a Sendero. Really not sure but either way, I'm with you.
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I'm sort of a doorknob with this sort of stuff, learning as I go. Thanks to a few of you guys for allowing me to play 20 questions pretty much daily. If I get too annoying, just say so.
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 20, 2016, 03:12:47 AM
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Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 20, 2016, 09:12:23 AM
Post by: jackelope on January 20, 2016, 09:23:42 AM
Hey jackelope, is that the egw standard rail or the hd rail?
It's the HD one.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 20, 2016, 09:32:40 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 20, 2016, 09:40:55 AM
Hey jackelope, is that the egw standard rail or the hd rail?
It's the HD one.
Great what are your thoughts on it? I have had a couple standard egw rails and am thinking of ordering a hd one for my newest rifle.
Seems they are a bit lower profile than the standard.
Post by: jackelope on January 20, 2016, 10:08:22 AM
Did you have the Custom Shop put that m1 turret on there or did you buy it used like that?Got it used like that.
I honestly don't have much to compare it to. I have a standard one, 0moa, on one of my Encores. This one is definitely beefier, but that's really all I got.Hey jackelope, is that the egw standard rail or the hd rail?
It's the HD one.
Great what are your thoughts on it? I have had a couple standard egw rails and am thinking of ordering a hd one for my newest rifle.
Seems they are a bit lower profile than the standard.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on January 20, 2016, 10:56:28 AM
Did you have the Custom Shop put that m1 turret on there or did you buy it used like that?Got it used like that.I honestly don't have much to compare it to. I have a standard one, 0moa, on one of my Encores. This one is definitely beefier, but that's really all I got.Hey jackelope, is that the egw standard rail or the hd rail?
It's the HD one.
Great what are your thoughts on it? I have had a couple standard egw rails and am thinking of ordering a hd one for my newest rifle.
Seems they are a bit lower profile than the standard.
I've used the EGW rails in the past and find nothing wrong with them.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 20, 2016, 11:14:05 AM
:yeah: I've had 2 and both have been great. I'm just curious if there's a major difference from standard to hdDid you have the Custom Shop put that m1 turret on there or did you buy it used like that?Got it used like that.I honestly don't have much to compare it to. I have a standard one, 0moa, on one of my Encores. This one is definitely beefier, but that's really all I got.Hey jackelope, is that the egw standard rail or the hd rail?
It's the HD one.
Great what are your thoughts on it? I have had a couple standard egw rails and am thinking of ordering a hd one for my newest rifle.
Seems they are a bit lower profile than the standard.
I've used the EGW rails in the past and find nothing wrong with them.
Post by: Chesapeake on January 20, 2016, 02:44:00 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 20, 2016, 02:52:44 PM
With three rifles in .25-06, I have developed good loads using IMR 4350 and H4831sc so finding powder isn't going to be hard either.
Dang this looks like a fun shooter :tup:
Post by: h20hunter on January 20, 2016, 02:59:12 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on January 20, 2016, 03:07:34 PM
:yeah: I've had 2 and both have been great. I'm just curious if there's a major difference from standard to hdDid you have the Custom Shop put that m1 turret on there or did you buy it used like that?Got it used like that.I honestly don't have much to compare it to. I have a standard one, 0moa, on one of my Encores. This one is definitely beefier, but that's really all I got.Hey jackelope, is that the egw standard rail or the hd rail?
It's the HD one.
Great what are your thoughts on it? I have had a couple standard egw rails and am thinking of ordering a hd one for my newest rifle.
Seems they are a bit lower profile than the standard.
I've used the EGW rails in the past and find nothing wrong with them.
The Pic slots are full length on the HD and the HD is 7075 aluminum instead of 6061.
Probably worth having HD's on any magnum class rifle with a heavy optic.
Post by: jackelope on January 20, 2016, 03:17:36 PM
:yeah: not a huge selection of quality bullets for it but you'll find a good one if you spend some time (and some money) on finding the right one(s).
With three rifles in .25-06, I have developed good loads using IMR 4350 and H4831sc so finding powder isn't going to be hard either.
Dang this looks like a fun shooter :tup:
110 Accubond
115 hunting VLD
115 Barnes TSX
Going to try them all in no particular order. Or not. One of them will work.
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 20, 2016, 03:18:29 PM
Post by: WoodlandShooter on January 20, 2016, 03:26:34 PM
Post by: Mxracer532 on January 20, 2016, 03:33:49 PM
Same barrel length, different stocks Rem LR have Bell and Carlaon, Senderos have HS Precision, xmark triggers in the LR. I read alot about them and from what I gathered the xmark triggers were terrible. Looks like a solid rig!!!I was set to pull the trigger on one of these in 7mm or 300wm when I come across a first gen Sendero in 7mm. Still working a load but cant wait to stretch its legs.
From what I've read I think it's almost a Sendero. Really not sure but either way, I'm with you.
Post by: Skillet on January 20, 2016, 03:39:38 PM
sure would be cool if someone came out with a slick bullet so this could smack down the 6.5'sIt's a chicken-and-egg thing of the lack of heavy-for-weight caliber bullets and tight twist .257 tubes. To get the most out of one, you need the other.
The cool thing a 1-10" 25-06 is great for is offering up a legit deer and elk round with 110-115 gr accubonds/Barnes, and switching to 3400+ FPS varmint rounds with the 87-90 gr HP's out there.
Very, very versatile cartridge.
Post by: mountainman on January 23, 2016, 09:06:04 PM
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 27, 2016, 10:26:30 PM
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Post by: jackelope on January 27, 2016, 10:58:20 PM
Post by: Reidus on January 27, 2016, 11:17:18 PM
If it's already mounted I'd just roll with it for now. You can always come back later and lap if you wish.
I'm kind of anal about mounting scopes....heard too many stories of mounts failing. I epoxy my bases to the receiver, use loctite etc.
Post by: jackelope on January 28, 2016, 07:52:35 AM
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Post by: DaveMonti on January 28, 2016, 08:32:17 AM
I was hoping to make it on Tuesday to talk to you about this rig. I have a stainless fluted Sendero in .25-06 that is probably 15-20 years old. It has the stock trigger in it.
At the time, Timney triggers were available, but I never considered one as I was able to adjust the factory trigger to about 2-3 lbs. and still have it nice and crisp (as far as I could tell!)
What is it that the Timney gives you over the standard stock trigger?
Post by: jackelope on January 28, 2016, 08:48:05 AM
Nice setup. What does that end up weighing as it is now. Great caliber.
Scott-
It ends up being on the heavy side. I think it's about 10.5-11 pounds. I went looking for my fish scale last night but couldn't find it. Decided it was more important to go to sleep. I'll post the weight when I can find it.
Jackelope,Honestly Dave, this is the first upgraded trigger I've had. A lot of people don't like the X-Mark Pro trigger and I think they had some slam fire issues? The Timney is easily adjustable, obviously better made and very crisp. I want to find or buy a trigger scale so I make sure I don't set it too light. This one adjusts 1.5-4 pounds. I think 2.5-3 pounds is where I'll want to be. I think if I were to guess, it's on the lower end of the adjustment range.
I was hoping to make it on Tuesday to talk to you about this rig. I have a stainless fluted Sendero in .25-06 that is probably 15-20 years old. It has the stock trigger in it.
At the time, Timney triggers were available, but I never considered one as I was able to adjust the factory trigger to about 2-3 lbs. and still have it nice and crisp (as far as I could tell!)
What is it that the Timney gives you over the standard stock trigger?
Post by: woody_65 on February 01, 2016, 09:50:38 PM
your almost making me regret this with how good its looking. I'm glad your enjoying it and I hope its a great gun for you. :tup: now I just need to get 7mm rolling. If you don't mind me asking which Timney did you choose?
Post by: jackelope on February 01, 2016, 10:27:48 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on February 02, 2016, 07:11:13 AM
Post by: jackelope on February 02, 2016, 07:20:03 AM
Lap those rings........ :twocents:
I've got new rings coming. Maybe I will.
Post by: lewy on February 02, 2016, 07:50:48 AM
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Post by: jackelope on February 03, 2016, 06:10:10 AM
Post by: jasnt on February 04, 2016, 08:00:13 AM
The 512 trigger is what I put in it.great trigger. Same one in my 700 26" heavy.
Tagging along
Post by: jackelope on February 08, 2016, 05:22:52 PM
11 pounds 6 ounces on the scale ready to roll.
:dunno:
Post by: DaveMonti on February 08, 2016, 08:52:56 PM
Post by: jasnt on February 08, 2016, 09:31:16 PM
This rifle is heavier than I was hoping but I don't think it's too bad.thats not so bad. I'm sitting at 16lbs even with empty mag. But this isn't a hunting rig per say tho it has been on several successful hunts
11 pounds 6 ounces on the scale ready to roll.
:dunno:
Post by: jackelope on February 08, 2016, 10:26:53 PM
I've got loaded ammo now along with some bullets, brass, primers and powder. Now I got to figure out how to put them all together. Looking like I just might get some trigger time this weekend.
Post by: jasnt on February 09, 2016, 07:46:48 AM
Dang that's a sweet rifle. Thanks for sharing.sweet. Looking forward to the range report :tup:
I've got loaded ammo now along with some bullets, brass, primers and powder. Now I got to figure out how to put them all together. Looking like I just might get some trigger time this weekend.
Post by: Eric M on February 11, 2016, 07:02:23 AM
Post by: jkthomps on February 11, 2016, 02:38:49 PM
Tagging along so I can copy your ideas hahaha.
Post by: jackelope on February 14, 2016, 12:01:23 PM
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I've got some HSM ammo with Berger bullets here I'll try once it cools off.
Post by: jackelope on February 14, 2016, 12:02:40 PM
Post by: h20hunter on February 14, 2016, 12:08:18 PM
Post by: DaveMonti on February 14, 2016, 12:19:42 PM
Looks like a keeper!
Post by: jackelope on February 14, 2016, 12:37:44 PM
Post by: DaveMonti on February 14, 2016, 01:08:53 PM
I'd be very happy with that, especially for the first time shooting it!
Post by: Bob33 on February 14, 2016, 01:58:56 PM
The greatest factor is sample size. One group is too small a sample to draw conclusions on. Think of throwing 100 darts at a dartboard. Somewhere in that string are three sequential tosses that land very close to each other. Somewhere in that string are three sequential tosses that are far apart. Which group accurately represents your ability to throw darts?
There are lots of guns whose owners claim "shoots MOA" because they did one time.
Unless you get some really unacceptable groups, I would shoot several groups before concluding too much. :twocents:
Your group looks quite promising.
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Post by: jackelope on February 14, 2016, 05:52:07 PM
The 3rd, 4th and 5th shots were these:
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I shot a few more of those and then went to the HSM factory ammo loaded with 115 grain Bergers. I've never really tried to shoot for tight groups before and ended up with a few groups that looked basically like this:
The orange dot is 1".
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I got settled down and thought about and concentrated on shooting tight groups. Got a couple good ones. Best one was this one.
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It's tough to shoot for tight groups. I could see my pulse moving the crosshairs around. Not a lot, but still some movement. Anyway, this rifle looks pretty promising. I'm real excited because I don't think I've ever had a rifle that shot this well. Sorry for the long winded blah blah blah...
Post by: jasnt on February 14, 2016, 06:27:18 PM
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 14, 2016, 06:35:56 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 14, 2016, 06:47:51 PM
Probably need to go antelope hunting this year. Just sayin...... :chuckle:
Oh man I'd love it. After a crappy trip out west for my buddies this year, I owe them a fun time and I think that will probably be the way we go next time they come this way.
Post by: jackelope on February 14, 2016, 06:48:53 PM
Easiest way for me to shoot groups is use the smallest point of aim you can. Looking good sofar. Just over 1/2 CTC isn't nothing to complain about either
I definitely have to think more about my targets next time around. This is a learning experience for me for sure and I appreciate all the input.
Post by: Bob33 on February 14, 2016, 07:27:28 PM
Once you decide on a load, then you need to do some actual shooting at longer distances to see how the balistics really perform compared to software estimates.
Sounds like you're on a fun journey.
Post by: jackelope on February 14, 2016, 09:37:34 PM
1/2 MOA is plenty good enough for big game hunting at reasonable distances (400 to 500 yards, maybe further.) I think the 100 grain Sierra is fine for antelope; for deer and elk I'd probably be looking for something a bit stouter. :twocents:
Once you decide on a load, then you need to do some actual shooting at longer distances to see how the balistics really perform compared to software estimates.
Sounds like you're on a fun journey.
Bob- the 100 grain sierras are all gone. I won't be loading any more of them. I have an assortment of quality bullets to try out. Accubonds, Bergers, Barnes TSX. We'll see what shoots the best and go with that one. Thanks !!
Post by: DaveMonti on February 14, 2016, 10:56:07 PM
Easiest way for me to shoot groups is use the smallest point of aim you can. Looking good sofar. Just over 1/2 CTC isn't nothing to complain about either
I agree Jason. I typically shoot at a 3/" or 1" black dot. Just stick one on a plain piece of paper and tighten up!
Post by: jasnt on February 15, 2016, 07:25:43 AM
i like 3/4" or 1" as well but I use orange or pink so I can see if I'm centered on the dot. My eyes aren't great so black cross hairs on black dot wouldn't turn out as wellEasiest way for me to shoot groups is use the smallest point of aim you can. Looking good sofar. Just over 1/2 CTC isn't nothing to complain about either
I agree Jason. I typically shoot at a 3/" or 1" black dot. Just stick one on a plain piece of paper and tighten up!
Post by: Woodchuck on February 15, 2016, 07:39:10 AM