Post by: Bill W on January 21, 2016, 10:06:15 AM
I only shot one full throttle .38 Special load as I didn't like how it thumped my middle finger. I'd previously shot it with .38 WC loads and thought it was easy to handle. The current owner wanted to see if the second barrel would fire as it's activated by recoil.
The .44 was a real handful with 240 grain SWC loads at 1000-1100 fps. It was even testier when a factory .240 grain jacketed load was fired. Doesn't pop up too much in the air because of the porting and the rubber grips took the sting out of shooting it but you definitely knew you had something in your hand.
The .44 is a nice light one for toting while fishing. It appears to be built along the line of a .44 Special as the cylinders won't take a traditional 429421 SWC crimped in the crimp groove. Definitely lighter than a Ruger Super Red Hawk.
Post by: theleo on January 21, 2016, 11:20:16 AM
Post by: Bill W on January 21, 2016, 03:48:26 PM
Pretty much all the lighweight one will shoot will be snakeshot loads. I use the Speer shot capsules to load those.
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Post by: KFhunter on January 28, 2016, 08:55:48 PM
that's good you have more bullets but I personally don't like 10 mm and glock. 10 mm are spendy and hard to find and glock , don't know , maybe the sound of the name. not a thing wrong with them at all. what is the weight of that gun? b mike w
It's heavy and requires a meaty paw, the SF version is a little better for smaller hands but I wear XL gloves and prefer the full grip.
G20 wouldn't be my 1st choice if I weren't in bear country, I'd opt for a lighter carry.
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Post by: NW-GSP on January 30, 2016, 08:38:22 PM
ive packed the pistols that have had 15 -20 rounds in them for years and they are heavy and me being a small guy started thinking why? if I cant hit the thug with the first 4 or 5 shots 10 more shots wont do it. so lighter I go. now a derringer is a good idea. any one have one for sale? mike w
Even law enforcement has a hit success ratio of 30%. Let that sink in.
After using a firearm in self defense no one has ever said " I wish I had less ammo"!.
Post by: jdb on January 30, 2016, 09:35:07 PM
Even law enforcement has a hit success ratio of 30%. Let that sink in.
After using a firearm in self defense no one has ever said " I wish I had less ammo"!.
[/quote]most law enforcement gun handling skills are abysmal at best.
Post by: JDHasty on January 30, 2016, 10:45:50 PM
I would, and have, recommended a Smith 10mm as what I see as the best compromise between Power -vs- weight and comfortable portability, but I have a Smith Model 13 2-1/2" 357 that I carry... because that is what I have. The loads that are in it would damage it with repeated firing and even one would not do it any favors.
I started carrying it back when it was legal to bait bear and I was walking into a bait stand one day and a bear was there waiting. I had a 77/22 with me and a black lab that thankfully stayed at heal through my hasty (no pun intended) retreat. This could also be the case in a berry patch.
I can empty the loads that are in it and possibly save my life, and more likely than not - damage that small frame 357, but if I need it the odds are I need it bad enough that I don't really care about that. If I need it it will be at spittin' distance and even though I have never fired a single round of that load I feel comfortable I could pull the trigger enough times to empty the gun and put all on a paper plate at the distances we are concerned with.
Think about it, what you have is fully capable, and if you are in that situation... your hand being hurt will not enter your mind for at least a few hours.
Post by: lucky7 on January 30, 2016, 10:57:49 PM
Post by: MADMAX on January 31, 2016, 05:47:22 AM
I've done the revolver thing for years 6" stainless 357 GP100, 5 1/2" stainless 41 mag Redhawk and a 7 1/2" stainless 44 mag Redhawk, I'll take my Glock 20 -10mm any day of the week over any revolver for open woods carry as a defensive handgun. I like revolvers, but I like having 16 rounds of decent defensive rounds in my gun more.
I think its plenty for the biggest problem in the woods
and thats not bear or cats I'm referring to
I also switch off with a glock 19 and my XD45
Post by: NW-GSP on January 31, 2016, 07:58:58 AM
most law enforcement gun handling skills are abysmal at best.
Even law enforcement has a hit success ratio of 30%. Let that sink in.
After using a firearm in self defense no one has ever said " I wish I had less ammo"!.
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Yes and the same goes for 90% of handgun owners.
Post by: b23 on January 31, 2016, 10:14:37 AM
Has 44mag power with high capacity mags, what's not to like. :tup:
Post by: jdb on January 31, 2016, 10:40:42 AM
agreedmost law enforcement gun handling skills are abysmal at best.
Even law enforcement has a hit success ratio of 30%. Let that sink in.
After using a firearm in self defense no one has ever said " I wish I had less ammo"!.
Yes and the same goes for 90% of handgun owners.
[/quote]agreed
Post by: KFhunter on January 31, 2016, 10:51:05 AM
would gloves help? mike w
I just meant that when buying gloves I look for them in XL size, it's just a reference point regarding hand size if someone were wondering if they could grip the G20.
If someone buys gloves in medium size, they might have problems with the standard G20 so I'd recommend trying the SF version.
Small gloves forget about it.
Post by: KFhunter on January 31, 2016, 10:59:11 AM
most law enforcement gun handling skills are abysmal at best.
Even law enforcement has a hit success ratio of 30%. Let that sink in.
After using a firearm in self defense no one has ever said " I wish I had less ammo"!.
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It's one thing to punch paper, it's something else to shoot at a moving target while not trying to become a target yourself. Statistics are meaningless in a firefight, all that matters is gaining cover and keeping them off you - and a person need lot's of rounds to do that.
Thankfully most civilian shootouts are a couple shots fired then bad guy runs - usually. Very rare to see a protracted shootout with civilian vs civilian.
Post by: NW-GSP on January 31, 2016, 12:30:37 PM
most law enforcement gun handling skills are abysmal at best.
Even law enforcement has a hit success ratio of 30%. Let that sink in.
After using a firearm in self defense no one has ever said " I wish I had less ammo"!.
It's one thing to punch paper, it's something else to shoot at a moving target while not trying to become a target yourself. Statistics are meaningless in a firefight, all that matters is gaining cover and keeping them off you - and a person need lot's of rounds to do that.
Thankfully most civilian shootouts are a couple shots fired then bad guy runs - usually. Very rare to see a protracted shootout with civilian vs civilian.
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I agree. I live a half a mile from a indoor gun range but never go there to shoot. I will drive to the woods and set up my own targets so I can do moving shooting drills.
Post by: KFhunter on January 31, 2016, 01:06:05 PM
some of this stuff is getting pretty realistic
Post by: MADMAX on January 31, 2016, 01:08:57 PM
Can you imagine that nowdays ?
Post by: jasnt on January 31, 2016, 01:28:20 PM
Get some like minded people and do propane airsoft training, need real bodies to shoot at.that looks fun!
some of this stuff is getting pretty realistic
Post by: KFhunter on January 31, 2016, 04:02:02 PM
Get some like minded people and do propane airsoft training, need real bodies to shoot at.that looks fun!
some of this stuff is getting pretty realistic
Not sure I'd want to pick up "brass" :chuckle:
Post by: NW-GSP on January 31, 2016, 04:30:29 PM
Post by: KFhunter on January 31, 2016, 06:44:57 PM
Where can you buy one of those?.
Not sure they're made anymore :dunno: It's a Marushin Glock 21 to help you google it.
There's just not much interest in picking up the 'brass' casings. You could get a gas blowback that's just as real but doesn't eject anything to pick up later. In combat training no one picks up spent brass (until training is over) Just use biodegradable airsoft pellets and plink/train for cheap. Don't get an electric or spring airsoft they're not realistic, propane is the best. They make then with realistic weight and all metal.
Green gas is just propane w/ silicon added for a self lubing gun, they jack the price up so just use your own can of silicon spray lube and dry propane good to go
Post by: NW-GSP on January 31, 2016, 09:11:46 PM
Post by: KFhunter on January 31, 2016, 09:26:32 PM