outdoor protection handguns

[jdb]

Even law enforcement has a hit success ratio of 30%. Let that sink in.

After using a firearm in self defense no one has ever said " I wish I had less ammo"!.
[/quote]most law enforcement gun handling skills are abysmal at best.

[JDHasty]

If you need it for "outdoor protection" then you are talking spittin' distances.  There really is no need to practice with "full throttle" loads that you have in the gun in case you need to "repel boarders."  You can shoot reduced loads to your heart's content and your hand will be happier for it.  The people who are handgun hunting (or silhouette shooting) are who need to put in range time with full throttle loads.

I would, and have, recommended a Smith 10mm as what I see as the best compromise between Power -vs- weight and comfortable portability, but I have a Smith Model 13 2-1/2" 357 that I carry... because that is what I have.  The loads that are in it would damage it with repeated firing and even one would not do it any favors. 

I started carrying it back when it was legal to bait bear and I was walking into a bait stand one day and a bear was there waiting.  I had a 77/22 with me and a black lab that thankfully stayed at heal through my hasty (no pun intended) retreat.  This could also be the case in a berry patch. 

I can empty the loads that are in it and possibly save my life, and more likely than not - damage that small frame 357, but if I need it the odds are I need it bad enough that I don't really care about that.  If I need it it will be at spittin' distance and even though I have never fired a single round of that load I feel comfortable I could pull the trigger enough times to empty the gun and put all on a paper plate at the distances we are concerned with. 

Think about it, what you have is fully capable, and if you are in that situation... your hand being hurt will not enter your mind for at least a few hours.     

[lucky7]

I like the Guides Choice holster from Diamond D Leather. To me it is a lot more comfortable to have it in your sternum while wearing a pack and carrying a rifle. Up out of the way, not snagging branches or your strap. When in E Wa I carry a Taurus Judge, first two cylinders #4 or #6 for buzzin' worms backed up by 4 45lc. Best of both worlds. W Wa I have been carrying a 6" 629 and don't really notice the weight dragging me down with the above mentioned holster. The muzzle blast from 300gr cast cores from that 629 will scare away even the most seasoned criminal. Go Big or Stay Home...

[MADMAX]

I've done the revolver thing for years 6" stainless 357 GP100, 5 1/2" stainless 41 mag Redhawk and a 7 1/2" stainless 44 mag Redhawk, I'll take my Glock 20 -10mm any day of the week over any revolver for open woods carry as a defensive handgun. I like revolvers, but I like having 16 rounds of decent defensive rounds in my gun more.

I think its plenty for the biggest problem in the woods
and thats not bear or cats I'm referring to
I also switch off with a glock 19 and my XD45

[NW-GSP]

Even law enforcement has a hit success ratio of 30%. Let that sink in.

After using a firearm in self defense no one has ever said " I wish I had less ammo"!.

most law enforcement gun handling skills are abysmal at best.
[/quote]

Yes and the same goes for 90% of handgun owners.

[b23]

Glock 21 or G19 with a 460 Rowland conversion kit would be pretty serious outdoor protection and offer a lot of firepower.

Has 44mag power with high capacity mags, what's not to like.

[jdb]

Even law enforcement has a hit success ratio of 30%. Let that sink in.

After using a firearm in self defense no one has ever said " I wish I had less ammo"!.

most law enforcement gun handling skills are abysmal at best.

agreed

Yes and the same goes for 90% of handgun owners.
[/quote]agreed

[KFhunter]

   would gloves help?  mike w

I just meant that when buying gloves I look for them in XL size, it's just a reference point regarding hand size if someone were wondering if they could grip the G20. 

If someone buys gloves in medium size, they might have problems with the standard G20 so I'd recommend trying the SF version. 

Small gloves forget about it.

[KFhunter]

Even law enforcement has a hit success ratio of 30%. Let that sink in.

After using a firearm in self defense no one has ever said " I wish I had less ammo"!.

most law enforcement gun handling skills are abysmal at best.
[/quote]

It's one thing to punch paper, it's something else to shoot at a moving target while not trying to become a target yourself.  Statistics are meaningless in a firefight, all that matters is gaining cover and keeping them off you - and a person need lot's of rounds to do that.

Thankfully most civilian shootouts are a couple shots fired then bad guy runs - usually.   Very rare to see a protracted shootout with civilian vs civilian. 

[NW-GSP]

Even law enforcement has a hit success ratio of 30%. Let that sink in.

After using a firearm in self defense no one has ever said " I wish I had less ammo"!.

most law enforcement gun handling skills are abysmal at best.

It's one thing to punch paper, it's something else to shoot at a moving target while not trying to become a target yourself.  Statistics are meaningless in a firefight, all that matters is gaining cover and keeping them off you - and a person need lot's of rounds to do that.

Thankfully most civilian shootouts are a couple shots fired then bad guy runs - usually.   Very rare to see a protracted shootout with civilian vs civilian.
[/quote]

I agree. I live a half a mile from a indoor gun range but never go there to shoot. I will drive to the woods and set up my own targets so I can do moving shooting drills.

[KFhunter]

Get some like minded people and do propane airsoft training, need real bodies to shoot at.

some of this stuff is getting pretty realistic

[MADMAX]

Geez sounds like the old days with BB gun wars, really sharpened the eye on moving targets
Can you imagine that nowdays ?

[jasnt]

Get some like minded people and do propane airsoft training, need real bodies to shoot at.

some of this stuff is getting pretty realistic

that looks fun!

[KFhunter]

Get some like minded people and do propane airsoft training, need real bodies to shoot at.

some of this stuff is getting pretty realistic

that looks fun!

Not sure I'd want to pick up "brass" 

[NW-GSP]

Where can you buy one of those?.