Post by: frazierw on February 05, 2016, 10:18:52 AM
Post by: bearpaw on February 05, 2016, 10:40:54 AM
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Post by: bobcat on February 05, 2016, 10:47:50 AM
Post by: frazierw on February 05, 2016, 10:54:09 AM
My only hesitation would be how good of a cheek weld you can get with a 56mm objective on a kicker. Unless of course it has an adjustable comb stock. Then it becomes moot.
the gun does have an accustock, so i think i will be ok in that department.
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 05, 2016, 10:54:41 AM
Post by: coop2424 on February 05, 2016, 12:04:27 PM
The Nightforce stuff is pretty awesome. Don't look at it unless you are seriously considering it though, otherwise it might haunt you.
Isn't that the trueth.. I try not to look through anything that is better than mine but did it last weekend and now I need a better scope... From what I have read they are awesome scopes and very well built..
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 05, 2016, 12:07:41 PM
The Nightforce stuff is pretty awesome. Don't look at it unless you are seriously considering it though, otherwise it might haunt you.
Isn't that the trueth.. I try not to look through anything that is better than mine but did it last weekend and now I need a better scope... From what I have read they are awesome scopes and very well built..
Just sell your current scope for 150% of MSRP and you are good to go
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 05, 2016, 12:12:31 PM
with this 6.5-284 I wanted a more pack able gun and am right at 10-10.3 lb.
I don't think you can go wrong with a top shelf scope wether it be from Leupold, vortex, nf, or other brands. All in what you want also. Is zero stop a must? Etc.
Post by: frazierw on February 05, 2016, 12:19:33 PM
I was choosing between the nf shv and the leupold mark 4 on my lrh in 6.5-284. I ended up with mark 4 because I got a great deal on it. Which nf are you looking into? I think the 5-25 is the atacr? I haven't handled or used one of those but I think they are big and heavy which may not matter to you. Decide what you want in a gun before choosing glass. Guns can get heavy quick. I learned that with my 300 rum that now tips the scales at 14+ lb.
with this 6.5-284 I wanted a more pack able gun and am right at 10-10.3 lb.
I don't think you can go wrong with a top shelf scope wether it be from Leupold, vortex, nf, or other brands. All in what you want also. Is zero stop a must? Etc.
http://nightforceoptics.com/shv/5-20%C3%9756
this is the scope i was looking at
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 05, 2016, 12:25:02 PM
thats exactly the one I was lookin at but got a better deal on the leuppy.I was choosing between the nf shv and the leupold mark 4 on my lrh in 6.5-284. I ended up with mark 4 because I got a great deal on it. Which nf are you looking into? I think the 5-25 is the atacr? I haven't handled or used one of those but I think they are big and heavy which may not matter to you. Decide what you want in a gun before choosing glass. Guns can get heavy quick. I learned that with my 300 rum that now tips the scales at 14+ lb.
with this 6.5-284 I wanted a more pack able gun and am right at 10-10.3 lb.
I don't think you can go wrong with a top shelf scope wether it be from Leupold, vortex, nf, or other brands. All in what you want also. Is zero stop a must? Etc.
http://nightforceoptics.com/shv/5-20%C3%9756
this is the scope i was looking at
Post by: JDHasty on February 05, 2016, 03:03:25 PM
Post by: slm9s on February 05, 2016, 03:39:53 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 05, 2016, 03:42:30 PM
http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-HD-5-20x50-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P51653.aspx
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 05, 2016, 05:03:34 PM
If you do not have experience mounting that heavy of a scope on a rifle with a lot of potential for severe recoil...... be sure to research what it takes to keep it lfrom slipping in the rings.Like torquing them to proper specs?
Just follow the directions on the package and you'll be fine.
Post by: JDHasty on February 05, 2016, 05:33:08 PM
If you do not have experience mounting that heavy of a scope on a rifle with a lot of potential for severe recoil...... be sure to research what it takes to keep it lfrom slipping in the rings.Like torquing them to proper specs?
Just follow the directions on the package and you'll be fine.
Not in my experience, which I admit is limited. But I did put a 6-24 on a big recoiling rifle once and I always torque the hardware to spec. I ended up using Scotch Coat, which is something Ross Sefreid reccomended to me at the SHOT Show and that worked, but up til then the scope was slipping under recoil. This exercise was only done to shoot a buddy's 300 Win Mag at 600 or so yards for fun and it was right before the SHOT Show that we were messing with it by chance.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 05, 2016, 05:47:06 PM
ive had my razor hd on my 300 rum for close to 100 rounds now with no movement. Before that it was a 6-24 pst. I even put that pst on my 375 hh for load development with no movement. Rings have been Burris xtr, warne maxima, and vortex pmrIf you do not have experience mounting that heavy of a scope on a rifle with a lot of potential for severe recoil...... be sure to research what it takes to keep it lfrom slipping in the rings.Like torquing them to proper specs?
Just follow the directions on the package and you'll be fine.
Not in my experience, which I admit is limited. But I did put a 6-24 on a big recoiling rifle once and I always torque the hardware to spec. I ended up using Scotch Coat, which is something Ross Sefreid reccomended to me at the SHOT Show and that worked, but up til then the scope was slipping under recoil. This exercise was only done to shoot a buddy's 300 Win Mag at 600 or so yards for fun and it was right before the SHOT Show that we were messing with it by chance.
Post by: JDHasty on February 05, 2016, 06:42:24 PM
ive had my razor hd on my 300 rum for close to 100 rounds now with no movement. Before that it was a 6-24 pst. I even put that pst on my 375 hh for load development with no movement. Rings have been Burris xtr, warne maxima, and vortex pmrIf you do not have experience mounting that heavy of a scope on a rifle with a lot of potential for severe recoil...... be sure to research what it takes to keep it lfrom slipping in the rings.Like torquing them to proper specs?
Just follow the directions on the package and you'll be fine.
Not in my experience, which I admit is limited. But I did put a 6-24 on a big recoiling rifle once and I always torque the hardware to spec. I ended up using Scotch Coat, which is something Ross Sefreid reccomended to me at the SHOT Show and that worked, but up til then the scope was slipping under recoil. This exercise was only done to shoot a buddy's 300 Win Mag at 600 or so yards for fun and it was right before the SHOT Show that we were messing with it by chance.
We used Redfields or Burris Zee (not the Signature Zee), just wanted to give the guy a heads up and not have him struggle through what we did.
Post by: coachcw on February 05, 2016, 06:53:53 PM
Post by: frazierw on February 05, 2016, 07:27:21 PM
ive had my razor hd on my 300 rum for close to 100 rounds now with no movement. Before that it was a 6-24 pst. I even put that pst on my 375 hh for load development with no movement. Rings have been Burris xtr, warne maxima, and vortex pmrIf you do not have experience mounting that heavy of a scope on a rifle with a lot of potential for severe recoil...... be sure to research what it takes to keep it lfrom slipping in the rings.Like torquing them to proper specs?
Just follow the directions on the package and you'll be fine.
Not in my experience, which I admit is limited. But I did put a 6-24 on a big recoiling rifle once and I always torque the hardware to spec. I ended up using Scotch Coat, which is something Ross Sefreid reccomended to me at the SHOT Show and that worked, but up til then the scope was slipping under recoil. This exercise was only done to shoot a buddy's 300 Win Mag at 600 or so yards for fun and it was right before the SHOT Show that we were messing with it by chance.
We used Redfields or Burris Zee (not the Signature Zee), just wanted to give the guy a heads up and not have him struggle through what we did.
I appreciate the advice. My knowledge of the mounting process is definitely limited, but i dont plan on skimping on the rings. the gun does have a 20 MOA weaver rail on it, which i'm sure will help in that department.
Post by: frazierw on February 05, 2016, 07:28:34 PM
Ziess HD ! 3-15 or 5x25
I was REALLY liking those scopes at first, but the lack of adjustment due to the 1' tube has kind of steered me away from them. The glass on those Zeiss scopes sure are clear though.
I should also clarify i want the scope to have a very basic reticle, not looking to do holdover shots.
Post by: JDHasty on February 05, 2016, 07:35:17 PM
ive had my razor hd on my 300 rum for close to 100 rounds now with no movement. Before that it was a 6-24 pst. I even put that pst on my 375 hh for load development with no movement. Rings have been Burris xtr, warne maxima, and vortex pmrIf you do not have experience mounting that heavy of a scope on a rifle with a lot of potential for severe recoil...... be sure to research what it takes to keep it lfrom slipping in the rings.Like torquing them to proper specs?
Just follow the directions on the package and you'll be fine.
Not in my experience, which I admit is limited. But I did put a 6-24 on a big recoiling rifle once and I always torque the hardware to spec. I ended up using Scotch Coat, which is something Ross Sefreid reccomended to me at the SHOT Show and that worked, but up til then the scope was slipping under recoil. This exercise was only done to shoot a buddy's 300 Win Mag at 600 or so yards for fun and it was right before the SHOT Show that we were messing with it by chance.
We used Redfields or Burris Zee (not the Signature Zee), just wanted to give the guy a heads up and not have him struggle through what we did.
I appreciate the advice. My knowledge of the mounting process is definitely limited, but i dont plan on skimping on the rings. the gun does have a 20 MOA weaver rail on it, which i'm sure will help in that department.
Burris Signature Zees will grip the scope, any scope, plenty tight enough and they are inexpensive.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 05, 2016, 07:47:17 PM
As for the reticle I would reccomend the moar reticle in the nf as it is not too busy and can only benefit you.
True moa reticles are a god send. Unless your a mil guy.... Then your beyond help :chuckle:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 05, 2016, 07:58:18 PM
Post by: JDHasty on February 05, 2016, 08:01:34 PM
With a rail you can really use any of the tactical style rings. I really like the warne maxima steel rings. They are solid and lightweight.
As for the reticle I would reccomend the moar reticle in the nf as it is not too busy and can only benefit you.
True moa reticles are a god send. Unless your a mil guy.... Then your beyond help :chuckle:
A MOA reticle and having a MOA reticle in my Razor 85 30WA eyepiece made short work of dealing with shifting winds and getting on target with rockchucks. No fuss, no muss with dialing anything, just count dots and hold off on a second shot. Really makes it nice when targets are few and far between, which many of the colonies I shoot only offer five or six targets in a morning's shoot. The only short coming is that I only have a couple scopes w/MOA reticle. But I really don't need it for the shorter range stuff.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 05, 2016, 08:05:27 PM
I never shot chucks but that is exactly the benefit to them :tup: I been drooling over that 30 x moa eye piece since I got my razor spotterWith a rail you can really use any of the tactical style rings. I really like the warne maxima steel rings. They are solid and lightweight.
As for the reticle I would reccomend the moar reticle in the nf as it is not too busy and can only benefit you.
True moa reticles are a god send. Unless your a mil guy.... Then your beyond help :chuckle:
A MOA reticle and having a MOA reticle in my Razor 85 30WA eyepiece made short work of dealing with shifting winds and getting on target with rockchucks. No fuss, no muss with dialing anything, just count dots and hold off on a second shot. Really makes it nice when targets are few and far between, which many of the colonies I shoot only offer five or six targets in a morning's shoot. The only short coming is that I only have a couple scopes w/MOA reticle. But I really don't need it for the shorter range stuff.
Post by: JDHasty on February 05, 2016, 08:14:19 PM
Lap your rings, a little blue lock tite, and tighten to specs and you will be fine. What kind of ranges are you wanting to shoot? Can't go wrong with Zeiss, NF, Leupold, Sightron, or any other top shelf glass in my opinion. Comes down to what features and specs you want.
Blue locktite betw the rings and scope? That may be a good thing for me now that my can of Scotch Coat is all dried up and I can no longer find it for sale. I had to send the Burris 3-9 Signature on my big game rifle back this year. It is a relatively heavy scope in a very light 300 Wby McMillan stocked Mod 70 that has never been adjusted for POI in 30 years and once I attempted to tweek it slightly this year was all over the place. I don't know that it will move when re mounted, but if blue locktite betw the rings and scope tube offers a near guarantee - why not?
Normally I don't even consider scopes moving because I only shoot one scoped big game rifle, my 1886 45/70 carbine and my mod 71 both have Lyman peeps that never move. On Varmint rifles there is no significant recoil.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 05, 2016, 08:21:53 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 05, 2016, 08:30:09 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 05, 2016, 08:32:33 PM
Haha! I read back through that again and must have missed it, but no I don't put lock tite between the scope and rings. Although it could actually work now that I think about it :chuckle:Lap your rings, a little blue lock tite, and tighten to specs and you will be fine. What kind of ranges are you wanting to shoot? Can't go wrong with Zeiss, NF, Leupold, Sightron, or any other top shelf glass in my opinion. Comes down to what features and specs you want.
Blue locktite betw the rings and scope? That may be a good thing for me now that my can of Scotch Coat is all dried up and I can no longer find it for sale. I had to send the Burris 3-9 Signature on my big game rifle back this year. It is a relatively heavy scope in a very light 300 Wby McMillan stocked Mod 70 that has never been adjusted for POI in 30 years and once I attempted to tweek it slightly this year was all over the place. I don't know that it will move when re mounted, but if blue locktite betw the rings and scope tube offers a near guarantee - why not?
Normally I don't even consider scopes moving because I only shoot one scoped big game rifle, my 1886 45/70 carbine and my mod 71 both have Lyman peeps that never move. On Varmint rifles there is no significant recoil.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 05, 2016, 08:57:20 PM
I've been rolling over this same question and I finally settled on the Leupold mark 4 with the TS-32X1 reticle. Still on the fence between the 6-20, and the 4-14. Its a hunting rifle so the 14x jumps out at me but they are the same weight so I could have a whole 20x and not get a weight penalty :chuckle: Bullblaster is trying to pressure me into the 20x but I don't know if i'm cool enough for the 20x club :chuckle:normally a 4 footer couldn't handle 20x but I think the club can make an exception for you. :chuckle:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 05, 2016, 08:59:07 PM
You're just jealous that I can crawl on a stalk and you have to slither on your belly :IBCOOL:I've been rolling over this same question and I finally settled on the Leupold mark 4 with the TS-32X1 reticle. Still on the fence between the 6-20, and the 4-14. Its a hunting rifle so the 14x jumps out at me but they are the same weight so I could have a whole 20x and not get a weight penalty :chuckle: Bullblaster is trying to pressure me into the 20x but I don't know if i'm cool enough for the 20x club :chuckle:normally a 4 footer couldn't handle 20x but I think the club can make an exception for you. :chuckle:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on February 05, 2016, 09:18:26 PM
I'm putting a Vortex PST on my custom 6.5 Creedmoor and that was only $700.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 05, 2016, 09:25:59 PM
You don't need a $1000 + scope on your gun. Buy a Vortex Diamondback. That's all you need. I really don't understand why guys say you need these expensive scopes for a gun you're going to shoot a few times a year.My Vortex Viper had a full on failure on me this year.
I'm putting a Vortex PST on my custom 6.5 Creedmoor and that was only $700.
Post by: coop2424 on February 05, 2016, 09:33:22 PM
You don't need a $1000 + scope on your gun. Buy a Vortex Diamondback. That's all you need. I really don't understand why guys say you need these expensive scopes for a gun you're going to shoot a few times a year.My Vortex Viper had a full on failure on me this year.
I'm putting a Vortex PST on my custom 6.5 Creedmoor and that was only $700.
Glad your getting it fixed for me... :chuckle: You are just more hardcore with your hunting in -20 degree weather.. That isn't right..
Post by: JDHasty on February 05, 2016, 09:39:14 PM
Haha! I read back through that again and must have missed it, but no I don't put lock tite between the scope and rings. Although it could actually work now that I think about it :chuckle:Lap your rings, a little blue lock tite, and tighten to specs and you will be fine. What kind of ranges are you wanting to shoot? Can't go wrong with Zeiss, NF, Leupold, Sightron, or any other top shelf glass in my opinion. Comes down to what features and specs you want.
Blue locktite betw the rings and scope? That may be a good thing for me now that my can of Scotch Coat is all dried up and I can no longer find it for sale. I had to send the Burris 3-9 Signature on my big game rifle back this year. It is a relatively heavy scope in a very light 300 Wby McMillan stocked Mod 70 that has never been adjusted for POI in 30 years and once I attempted to tweek it slightly this year was all over the place. I don't know that it will move when re mounted, but if blue locktite betw the rings and scope tube offers a near guarantee - why not?
Normally I don't even consider scopes moving because I only shoot one scoped big game rifle, my 1886 45/70 carbine and my mod 71 both have Lyman peeps that never move. On Varmint rifles there is no significant recoil.
I put the Scotch Coat on "just because" and at that juncture I had just bought the rifle. When I get it back I will remount it, hopefully permanently, like I did the first time. That rifle never has changed zero, but it was always a half inch left and this year I decided, for whatever reason, to center the crosshairs up. It is a good for a half-inch every year when I shoot a few before big game season. When I get it back, I will zero it an inch and a half high right above my aiming point and I suspect it would never need adjustment so long as Nosler keeps making 200 gr Partitions.
Post by: rem700300 on February 06, 2016, 06:03:55 AM
Post by: yorketransport on February 06, 2016, 06:18:40 AM
If you're not familiar, do a little research on the Sightron SIII. A few years ago, after owning my first couple Sightrons I sold my 6 or 7 Nightforces and replaced them with SIIIs. IMO you get 97% of the performance for ~50% of the cost. Excellent glass, excellent tracking, and a GREAT value. I'm a big fan of the LRMOA reticle. :twocents::yeah: The SIII is an excellent scope worth significantly more than they sell for. I have 3 of them and the glass is every bit as good as the NF NXS, VX-3 and Mk 4 scopes I have. The only issue I have with them is that the clicks on the scope don't have as much resistance as some of the NF and Leupold scopes I have. If you carry your rifle in a pack the turrets may rotate while it's in the pack.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on February 06, 2016, 07:17:02 AM
You don't need a $1000 + scope on your gun. Buy a Vortex Diamondback. That's all you need. I really don't understand why guys say you need these expensive scopes for a gun you're going to shoot a few times a year.My Vortex Viper had a full on failure on me this year.
I'm putting a Vortex PST on my custom 6.5 Creedmoor and that was only $700.
What happened to your scope ?
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 06, 2016, 08:16:55 AM
the reticle came loose or something and would spend when I adjusted my power ring. I no longer had crosshairs I had an X :chuckle: for me personally, hunting is a pass fail test there's no second chances so the vortex is getting the boot and I'm climbing up the ladder hopefully.You don't need a $1000 + scope on your gun. Buy a Vortex Diamondback. That's all you need. I really don't understand why guys say you need these expensive scopes for a gun you're going to shoot a few times a year.My Vortex Viper had a full on failure on me this year.
I'm putting a Vortex PST on my custom 6.5 Creedmoor and that was only $700.
What happened to your scope ?
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 06, 2016, 08:30:08 AM
Post by: jackelope on February 06, 2016, 09:40:12 AM
I had a diamondback on my .300wm and I'm pretty sure the recoil broke that scope. The reticle ended up caddywompus and it leaked and filled with water. Not sure what caused it but it was fine on a .22-250 for a while. Soon after I put it on the .300 it broke. Good scope for the $$$ but I'm not sure it's great for the heavy hitters.the reticle came loose or something and would spend when I adjusted my power ring. I no longer had crosshairs I had an X :chuckle: for me personally, hunting is a pass fail test there's no second chances so the vortex is getting the boot and I'm climbing up the ladder hopefully.You don't need a $1000 + scope on your gun. Buy a Vortex Diamondback. That's all you need. I really don't understand why guys say you need these expensive scopes for a gun you're going to shoot a few times a year.My Vortex Viper had a full on failure on me this year.
I'm putting a Vortex PST on my custom 6.5 Creedmoor and that was only $700.
What happened to your scope ?
Post by: frazierw on February 08, 2016, 11:19:22 AM
Post by: elkaholic123 on February 08, 2016, 12:41:03 PM
I appreciate all the input, i will look into those sightron scopes as well before i choose. I am oscillating between the 5-20 and the 4-14, but am still leaning towards more magnification.Were do you live? I shoot at Seattle rifle and pistol in Machias, you can check out my Nightforce SHV 5-20X56 if you wanted :twocents:
Post by: frazierw on February 08, 2016, 12:59:31 PM
I appreciate all the input, i will look into those sightron scopes as well before i choose. I am oscillating between the 5-20 and the 4-14, but am still leaning towards more magnification.Were do you live? I shoot at Seattle rifle and pistol in Machias, you can check out my Nightforce SHV 5-20X56 if you wanted :twocents:
I live in Yakima, but I appreciate the offer. I have looked through the Zeiss Conquest HD, and if it is as clear or more clear than that i would be very satisfied.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on February 08, 2016, 05:29:11 PM