Post by: jdb on February 16, 2016, 06:02:53 AM
Post by: Henrydog on February 16, 2016, 06:24:52 AM
Post by: C-Money on February 16, 2016, 06:38:57 AM
Post by: 12Gauge on February 16, 2016, 06:47:21 AM
When traveling I use the higher octain gasoline, it just burn hotter that's all.
Post by: Buzz2401 on February 16, 2016, 06:53:57 AM
Post by: bearpaw on February 16, 2016, 06:59:20 AM
Boats, chainsaws, 4wheeler, 92 non ethylol only. Say no to corn liquor in your toys.
:yeah: Ethanol is very hard on small engines, many owners manuals say to use non-ethanol fuel in them! :tup:
Don't know if it's true but I've been told ethanol is hard on older auto engines too?
Post by: BNAElkhntr on February 16, 2016, 07:11:53 AM
Post by: Rick on February 16, 2016, 07:18:30 AM
When traveling I use the higher octain gasoline, it just burn hotter that's all.
Octane is the measure of a fuels resistance to detonation.
Higher octane doesn't burn faster,slower,hotter,cooler,etc.
Post by: Henrydog on February 16, 2016, 07:18:54 AM
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I remember reading around 1982-84ish the compounds in fuel hose changed to take ethanol. Anything before that the ethanol can degrade the hoses. I can't remember exactly but I would keep it way from the a classic or a older carbed pickup. The main thing the ethanol does is attract water. The steel tank sweats and if the car sits for a long time with less than a full tank water collects in the tank.
I took a Mercury outboard class 4 years ago and there master tech said all there engines run fine on up to e15, its the water it collects that is the killer
Post by: Rick on February 16, 2016, 07:25:43 AM
Post by: fishngamereaper on February 16, 2016, 07:27:39 AM
Marine Mech friend of mine did some E % testing at all the major brands and found Costco gas to be the highest. Chevron and Shell where the lowest.
Post by: ghosthunter on February 16, 2016, 07:46:27 AM
A busy store like the one I manage buy two double tankers of fuel every day. Fresh gas is best gas.
Gas is all the same like some one posted, except each brand adds additives.
Ethanol is considered hard on small engines and old classic car owners try to stay clear of it, I find.
But I have had muscle car owners tell me they get the best mileage on Shell Premium.
I would never fill up at any location that was receiving a load of fuel at the time. 99% of time no problem but that fuel is stirring up sediment in underground tanks as it fills. Filters and other devices are in place but on out of the way places may not be well maintained . Big stores have their tanks checked and cleaned if needed from time to time.
I have owned two Nissan Frontiers in 21 years both of them were fed Shell Regular. Never had a gas related problem. Once in Twisp I filled up and had a issue. Can of gas dry took care of it. :twocents:
Post by: JDHasty on February 16, 2016, 08:18:44 AM
Ball Automotive in Tacoma is where I get the gasoline for my generators, fill the fuel station on my toy hauler, and buy gasoline for my power equipment. They only sell straight gasoline, no ethanol.
Post by: bearpaw on February 16, 2016, 08:32:59 AM
Can E15 Gasoline Really Damage Your Engine?
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/hybrid-electric/a6244/e15-gasoline-damage-engine/
Since we started draining snowmobile tanks and then running machines until they run out of gas we don't have near as many problems, this article explains why! When I park a vehicle for several months I always add fuel stabilizer.
Post by: Special T on February 16, 2016, 08:36:31 AM
I manage a Shell Station. But on the road I will fuel at the busiest store I can find. Why? Because a lot of problems are caused by water in gas. A out of the way store with low volume may only buy a load of gas a month. The longer it sits the more things that can happen to it.
A busy store like the one I manage buy two double tankers of fuel every day. Fresh gas is best gas.
Gas is all the same like some one posted, except each brand adds additives.
Ethanol is considered hard on small engines and old classic car owners try to stay clear of it, I find.
But I have had muscle car owners tell me they get the best mileage on Shell Premium.
I would never fill up at any location that was receiving a load of fuel at the time. 99% of time no problem but that fuel is stirring up sediment in underground tanks as it fills. Filters and other devices are in place but on out of the way places may not be well maintained . Big stores have their tanks checked and cleaned if needed from time to time.
I have owned two Nissan Frontiers in 21 years both of them were fed Shell Regular. Never had a gas related problem. Once in Twisp I filled up and had a issue. Can of gas dry took care of it. :twocents:
Aside from busy filling stations what other things should we look for? Is there a way to tell if the filters are changed regularly?
Post by: WoodlandShooter on February 16, 2016, 08:37:27 AM
All gas is the same, it is a commodity. The big boys like Texaco/Chevron add a bottle of additives to each tanker before it drops it in the stations tank. In today's cars it really doesn't matter. Boats, chainsaws, 4wheeler, 92 non ethylol only. Say no to corn liquor in your toys.
^^^THIS^^^
I work in this industry!!
Post by: JDHasty on February 16, 2016, 08:59:46 AM
worth reading:
Can E15 Gasoline Really Damage Your Engine?
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/hybrid-electric/a6244/e15-gasoline-damage-engine/
Since we started draining snowmobile tanks and then running machines until they run out of gas we don't have near as many problems, this article explains why! When I park a vehicle for several months I always add fuel stabilizer.
I have a ~1985 Honda 194 power mower and I run it dry every time I finish using it if I have to use blended gasoline in it. Before I started this practice and adding Stabil I had carburator problems, since that time none.
Post by: NRA4LIFE on February 16, 2016, 09:18:59 AM
Post by: Badhabit on February 16, 2016, 09:38:41 AM
Post by: Alchase on February 16, 2016, 10:08:55 AM
Top Tier gasoline providers exceed industry standard.
Here is a list of Top Tier Providers
http://www.toptiergas.com/retailers/
TOP TIER Detergent Gasoline RetailersGasoline retailers must meet the high TOP TIER standards with all grades of gasoline to be approved by the automakers as providing TOP TIER Detergent Gasoline.In addition, all gasoline outlets carrying the brand of the approved retailer must meet the TOP TIER standards.Additional gasoline retailers are added to the TOP TIER list as they meet the standards. The retailers known to be on the TOP TIER list are shown below.TOP TIER Gasoline Retailers:
USA
76 Stations
Aloha Petroleum
ARCO
Beacon
BP
Chevron
Cenex
Conoco
Costco Wholesale
CountryMark
Diamond Shamrock
Entec Stations
Express Convenience Centers
Exxon
Hawaii Fueling Network (HFN)
Holiday Stationstores
Kwik Trip / Kwik Star
MFA Oil Co.
Mobil
Ohana Fuels
Phillips 66
QuikTrip
Road Ranger
Shamrock
Shell
Sinclair
Suncor Energy Inc
SuperAmerica
Texaco
Tri-Par Oil Co.
Valero
Almost all retailers in the US are Top Tier providers, so no it does not make a difference, unless you prefer one detergent additive over another.
Since moving to Oklahoma, almost all gas stations provide ethanol free gas, I have been able to experiment a bit. Running ethanol free gas in my 2007 Dakota 3.7, I average about 25 more miles per tank, and a slight noticeable difference in performance getting up to speed. In our 2014 Nissan Murano, no noticeable difference in efficiency or performance.
All my 4 stroke engines are Honda's and I use ethanol free. My Zero turn mower I bought new last summer, it will void the warranty if ethanol gas is used.
I paid $1.14 for ethanol free last Sunday.
Post by: JDHasty on February 16, 2016, 11:27:14 AM
Gasoline is bought and sold as a commodity, they all start the same.
Top Tier gasoline providers exceed industry standard.
Here is a list of Top Tier Providers
http://www.toptiergas.com/retailers/
TOP TIER Detergent Gasoline RetailersGasoline retailers must meet the high TOP TIER standards with all grades of gasoline to be approved by the automakers as providing TOP TIER Detergent Gasoline.In addition, all gasoline outlets carrying the brand of the approved retailer must meet the TOP TIER standards.Additional gasoline retailers are added to the TOP TIER list as they meet the standards. The retailers known to be on the TOP TIER list are shown below.TOP TIER Gasoline Retailers:
USA
76 Stations
Aloha Petroleum
ARCO
Beacon
BP
Chevron
Cenex
Conoco
Costco Wholesale
CountryMark
Diamond Shamrock
Entec Stations
Express Convenience Centers
Exxon
Hawaii Fueling Network (HFN)
Holiday Stationstores
Kwik Trip / Kwik Star
MFA Oil Co.
Mobil
Ohana Fuels
Phillips 66
QuikTrip
Road Ranger
Shamrock
Shell
Sinclair
Suncor Energy Inc
SuperAmerica
Texaco
Tri-Par Oil Co.
Valero
Almost all retailers in the US are Top Tier providers, so no it does not make a difference, unless you prefer one detergent additive over another.
Since moving to Oklahoma, almost all gas stations provide ethanol free gas, I have been able to experiment a bit. Running ethanol free gas in my 2007 Dakota 3.7, I average about 25 more miles per tank, and a slight noticeable difference in performance getting up to speed. In our 2014 Nissan Murano, no noticeable difference in efficiency or performance.
All my 4 stroke engines are Honda's and I use ethanol free. My Zero turn mower I bought new last summer, it will void the warranty if ethanol gas is used.
I paid $1.14 for ethanol free last Sunday.
:yeah:
I have friends who use ARCO gasoline, I have not tried it in ~ a decade and the last time I used it my puckup had no power and got terrible mileage and the engine knocked like it was falling apart. Nothing had changed since my father and mother refused to buy Richfield back in the 1960's because we always had high performance automobiles (Tornados and 390 tri power & 406 Galaxie 500s) and Richfield gasoline was no bueno back then.
Post by: Curly on February 16, 2016, 11:36:24 AM
I burn only non-ethanol in all my small engines and boat. I get it at Cenex in Auburn and only fuel my boat at the marina that is ethanol free. My truck, I don't really care. Mostly fuel at Fred Meyer stations for the discount from shopping there. Paid $1.55 last week.:yeah:
I like to use Cenex as well. I make a trip every once in a while down to Chehalis to Cenex and fill up 15 to 20 gallons of non-ethanol gas to use in my small engines. My vehicles I fill up at Costco.
Post by: ghosthunter on February 16, 2016, 12:25:24 PM
I manage a Shell Station. But on the road I will fuel at the busiest store I can find. Why? Because a lot of problems are caused by water in gas. A out of the way store with low volume may only buy a load of gas a month. The longer it sits the more things that can happen to it.
A busy store like the one I manage buy two double tankers of fuel every day. Fresh gas is best gas.
Gas is all the same like some one posted, except each brand adds additives.
Ethanol is considered hard on small engines and old classic car owners try to stay clear of it, I find.
But I have had muscle car owners tell me they get the best mileage on Shell Premium.
I would never fill up at any location that was receiving a load of fuel at the time. 99% of time no problem but that fuel is stirring up sediment in underground tanks as it fills. Filters and other devices are in place but on out of the way places may not be well maintained . Big stores have their tanks checked and cleaned if needed from time to time.
I have owned two Nissan Frontiers in 21 years both of them were fed Shell Regular. Never had a gas related problem. Once in Twisp I filled up and had a issue. Can of gas dry took care of it. :twocents:
Aside from busy filling stations what other things should we look for? Is there a way to tell if the filters are changed regularly?
For the customer, No
I would pick stores that are well maintained and clean inside and out. Those owners are likely keeping up with maintenance inside and out.
For us our filters are made to detect water and will slow the pump way down if they are near end of life. We change filters on pumps every three months or sooner if needed.
We also have modern electronic tanking monitoring for water and require every load from refinery to be stick-ed for water.
They use water to clean tanks at the refinery.
Post by: boneaddict on February 16, 2016, 12:39:53 PM
Post by: Jason on February 16, 2016, 01:09:04 PM
#1 They don't keep up on the maintance of the station or their tanks (I work for a company who installs and does maintance for fuel stations).
#2 I genuinley don't care for them!
Post by: Kittman on February 16, 2016, 01:23:31 PM
**Disclaimer**
This reply is merely for informational purposes only, and is not intended to endorse any product, practice, business, or organization. I highly encourage any HUNT-WA member or its guests to purchase their petroleum supplies from any reputable (or not) petroleum products supplier of their choice, without any derogation or conclusion of any individual's competence, and/or preferences regarding where fuel related products shall be purchased, which may or may not be construed from the information supplied in the above posting.
Post by: follow maggie on February 16, 2016, 01:27:17 PM
Post by: coachcw on February 17, 2016, 08:35:28 PM
Post by: The Gobble-stopper on February 20, 2016, 11:05:58 PM
Ethanol is very bad on small engines! I have a friend with a shop, he has a box full of parts. Chainsaw, lawnmower, motorcycle, etc. All burned up from ethanol. He also. Works on boats and autos. He has everything from fittings, to gas tanks, etc. all aluminum. Says the ethanol eats any fitting or part made of aluminum. We had a boat and made the mistake of filling up the tanks with ethanol gas. Within a year it ate through two 110 gal tanks of fuel. Ate right through the bottom. I will use nothing but Cenex.
Post by: Alchase on March 17, 2016, 07:57:42 PM
What a smoke screen it out out!
It also took four more siphon trips to clean that 409 back to normal.
LOL
Post by: dscubame on March 17, 2016, 09:22:29 PM
Maybe i'm in the minority here :dunno: But a deciding factor for me is the people that run the stores, if they have towels on there heads then I pass it up and go else where for two reasons.
#1 They don't keep up on the maintance of the station or their tanks (I work for a company who installs and does maintance for fuel stations).
#2 I genuinley don't care for them!
WOW !! How about a black, Japanese, or native store owner or employee? Do you pass them up also?
Post by: Special T on March 18, 2016, 07:52:29 AM
Post by: dscubame on March 18, 2016, 04:20:06 PM
Post by: Special T on March 18, 2016, 04:44:30 PM
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Post by: Smossy on March 18, 2016, 04:51:58 PM
So for small engines like pressure washers and chainsaws that say E0 or E10, Is 92 octane "Premium" the go to?Boats, chainsaws, 4wheeler, 92 non ethylol only. Say no to corn liquor in your toys.
:yeah: Ethanol is very hard on small engines, many owners manuals say to use non-ethanol fuel in them! :tup:
Don't know if it's true but I've been told ethanol is hard on older auto engines too?
Post by: dscubame on March 18, 2016, 07:05:46 PM
Normally im an equal opportunity racist, but I have found a special place in my heart for priviledged white people who feel so guilty about it that they try and get gov up in my business.
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Post by: Special T on March 18, 2016, 07:25:26 PM
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Post by: 2labs on March 18, 2016, 07:47:03 PM
I mostly buy my gasoline and propane at Skagit Farmer's Supply (Cenex) due to receiving an annual member co-op patronage refund.
So receiving annual is kinda preference kinda deal! Some like it some dont! Don't judge! :dunno:
Post by: Kittman on March 18, 2016, 09:46:22 PM
I mostly buy my gasoline and propane at Skagit Farmer's Supply (Cenex) due to receiving an annual member co-op patronage refund.
So receiving annual is kinda preference kinda deal! Some like it some dont! Don't judge! :dunno:
??? :(
Post by: The scout on March 18, 2016, 09:53:26 PM
Post by: SemperFidelis97 on March 18, 2016, 10:00:51 PM
:yeah: is it a full moon or something ?
:yeah:
Post by: Stein on March 18, 2016, 10:48:57 PM
Post by: Alchase on March 19, 2016, 07:51:45 AM
So for small engines like pressure washers and chainsaws that say E0 or E10, Is 92 octane "Premium" the go to?Boats, chainsaws, 4wheeler, 92 non ethylol only. Say no to corn liquor in your toys.
:yeah: Ethanol is very hard on small engines, many owners manuals say to use non-ethanol fuel in them! :tup:
Don't know if it's true but I've been told ethanol is hard on older auto engines too?
Smossy, the difference in octane, 87 - regular unleaded and 92 supreme, is only the ability to reduce knocking during compression.
Explanation:
"Octane rating is a measure of a fuel's ability to resist ‘knock’. The octane requirement of an engine varies with compression ratio, geometrical and mechanical considerations and operating conditions. The higher the octane number the greater the fuel’s resistance to knocking or pinging during combustion."
The "E" rating is independant of the octane rating.
E0 = ethanol free
E10 = 10% ehtanol in the gas
For small engines like "pressure washer or chainsaw", actually for any engine, ethanol free "E0", gas is much better if you can get it.
If you can't get ethanol free, use E10 or the lowest you can get, and run the tank dry when finished. And use Sta-bil Fuel stabilizer in you gas tank.
This keeps the ethanol from breaking down and creating moisture which is what harms the engines.
Hope this helps :tup:
Post by: bowhunterwa87 on March 19, 2016, 08:36:35 AM
Post by: Ridgeratt on March 19, 2016, 08:42:18 AM
Post by: Gobble Doc on March 19, 2016, 09:03:04 AM
Post by: ghosthunter on March 19, 2016, 09:40:44 AM
Maybe i'm in the minority here :dunno: But a deciding factor for me is the people that run the stores, if they have towels on there heads then I pass it up and go else where for two reasons.
#1 They don't keep up on the maintance of the station or their tanks (I work for a company who installs and does maintance for fuel stations).
#2 I genuinley don't care for them!
Well that's one way.
But in some areas you may have to drive a long ways to find a store that meets your criteria. Just saying. Sad but true. :'(
Post by: jmsurra on March 19, 2016, 02:41:24 PM
Regular gas here is about $2.05 per gallon right now, and this station charged me $2.59 a gallon. Not great, not horrible.
There aren't too many stations around providing this, so it seems to me that for many of us, finding a source for the ethanol-free gasoline will be the tough part. I did notice that most of the Marinas and the airports offered it. I got the feeling that there may be more sources around than the lists I found online indicated. This particular station had a big banner announcing that it had ethanol-free gas for sale.
Post by: Smossy on March 19, 2016, 02:44:30 PM
It just so happened that I'm doing the spring tune-up on my lawn mower, and reading this thread reminded me that some quality gas would be a nice finishing touch. I went online and found a station selling the ethanol-free gasoline just a mile or two down the street from the small-engine place where I was getting my parts, and bought a few gallons. I also fly RC planes, and those gas engines don't like the ethanol in their fuel, so it's a bonus buy for me.I see your in lakewood area? The redwind casino's old gas station on the side now sells ethanol free gas.
Regular gas here is about $2.05 per gallon right now, and this station charged me $2.59 a gallon. Not great, not horrible.
There aren't too many stations around providing this, so it seems to me that for many of us, finding a source for the ethanol-free gasoline will be the tough part. I did notice that most of the Marinas and the airports offered it. I got the feeling that there may be more sources around than the lists I found online indicated. This particular station had a big banner announcing that it had ethanol-free gas for sale.
Post by: PlateauNDN on March 19, 2016, 03:19:58 PM
You gotta get gas at fred meyers in yakima. Best deals around. Google it
http://www.yakimaherald.com/news/local/fred-meyer-fuel-mixup-causes-problems-for-drivers/article_89800b1e-ed34-11e5-a889-f780053ee42a.html
:lol4: :lol4: :lol4: yup, best place in Yakima.
Post by: Dan-o on March 19, 2016, 03:57:28 PM
We get 200,00 miles out of our cars before we get rid of them.
Cheapest around here has meant ARCO for the last 20+ years, and never an issue.
Post by: jmsurra on March 19, 2016, 03:58:35 PM
It just so happened that I'm doing the spring tune-up on my lawn mower, and reading this thread reminded me that some quality gas would be a nice finishing touch. I went online and found a station selling the ethanol-free gasoline just a mile or two down the street from the small-engine place where I was getting my parts, and bought a few gallons. I also fly RC planes, and those gas engines don't like the ethanol in their fuel, so it's a bonus buy for me.I see your in lakewood area? The redwind casino's old gas station on the side now sells ethanol free gas.
Regular gas here is about $2.05 per gallon right now, and this station charged me $2.59 a gallon. Not great, not horrible.
There aren't too many stations around providing this, so it seems to me that for many of us, finding a source for the ethanol-free gasoline will be the tough part. I did notice that most of the Marinas and the airports offered it. I got the feeling that there may be more sources around than the lists I found online indicated. This particular station had a big banner announcing that it had ethanol-free gas for sale.
Hey, I actually know where that is! The Red Wind Casino, that is. I've driven past it a few times. I'll check it out. I'm lucky, because Tacoma area has about 6 or 8 places on the list, with its marinas and the airport and marinas at Gig harbor right across the bridge. At some point I plan to make a run across ol' Galloping Gertie to Gig Airport for some aviation gas, which has a much higher octane (100) and is ethanol-free as well.
Post by: Kittman on March 19, 2016, 07:17:00 PM
I mostly buy my gasoline and propane at Skagit Farmer's Supply (Cenex) due to receiving an annual member co-op patronage refund.
So receiving annual is kinda preference kinda deal! Some like it some dont! Don't judge! :dunno:
Sir- I edited my post. Hopefully that will clear any confusion and misunderstandings up.