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Title: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: bowhunterforever on January 27, 2009, 03:05:24 PM: Hey guys, My buddy is looking for a good coyote round for his 30-06! Do they still make the factory accelerator rounds? If not whats another good bullet choice for coytes, that arent to expensive? Thanks
Title: RE: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: atomicjoe23 on January 27, 2009, 04:01:29 PM: Last I looked they were still made by Remington. . .and for .308 as well. . .I haven't heard any opinions on the stuff from someone who has shot it though. . .
Title: RE: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: Alpine Mojo on January 27, 2009, 04:01:59 PM: 30-06 for coyote? Might as well go full out with 180 grain and leave the skinning knife at home... :chuckle:
Title: RE: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: Bofire on January 27, 2009, 04:05:07 PM: I tried a total of 5 in one rifle in my life, they grouped about 6-10 inches.
vast experience!!LOL
Carl
Title: RE: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: SpokaneSlayer on January 27, 2009, 04:06:41 PM: Quote from: Bofire on January 27, 2009, 04:05:07 PM
I tried a total of 5 in one rifle in my life, they grouped about 6-10 inches.
vast experience!!LOL
Carl

I heard they aren't very accurate due to inconsistencies in the sabot.
Title: RE: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: Gobble Gobble on January 27, 2009, 04:29:33 PM: here is a link someone posted in one of my threads about 30-06 ammo for yotes

https://www.eabco.com/reload02.html (https://www.eabco.com/reload02.html)
Title: RE: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: bowhunterforever on January 27, 2009, 05:20:53 PM: Well the accelerators dont sound very good! What a good factory round you guys recomend for yotes and that are pretty cheap!
Title: RE: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: bobcat on January 27, 2009, 05:33:46 PM: Try Winchester 180 grain Power Points. Available for about $12 at Wal Mart, at least they were that price last time I bought them there. I say 180 grain just because of the lower velocity. They won't put as big a hole in the coyote as a faster, lighter slug. You could go with 150's if you don't care about the hides.
Title: RE: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: satchel3006 on January 27, 2009, 05:43:27 PM: i shot a coyote at 75 yards with some 180 grain fusion and it turned that coyote inside out
Title: RE: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: bobcat on January 27, 2009, 06:16:08 PM: Yeah, well anything in a 30/06 probably isn't the best choice for coyotes if you're wanting to save the hides. ;)

I can tell you, that coyote wasn't turned "inside out" because the bullet weighed 180 grains. A 150 grain in the same type bullet would have done the same thing.

I would tend to use a more controlled expansion type bullet for coyotes in a 30/06 if it were me, but he asked for something "cheap."
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: Gutpile on January 28, 2009, 08:10:30 AM: Quote
30-06 for coyote? Might as well go full out with 180 grain and leave the skinning knife at home...

Quote
Yeah, well anything in a 30/06 probably isn't the best choice for coyotes if you're wanting to save the hides.

30-06 excelerator is a 55 grn .224 bullet wrapped in a sabot. So.................... it is actually a very fast .223.

It is not a 30 caliber bullet.

Always been interested in these but have never seen them on a shelf anywhere. I've read many times that accuracy is horrible. I do remember many years ago my brother in law had a box of the 30-30 stuff.
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: bobcat on January 28, 2009, 07:31:44 PM: Quote from: Gutpile on January 28, 2009, 08:10:30 AM
30-06 excelerator is a 55 grn .224 bullet wrapped in a sabot. So.................... it is actually a very fast .223.

Right, and at the speed they're moving, the holes it will leave in that coyote will NOT be small!
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: Gutpile on January 28, 2009, 07:41:21 PM: true but if they are as innacurate as i've heard that wont be a problem. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: Curly on January 28, 2009, 07:44:22 PM: Hell, just use some 200 grain boattails.......you get great BC out of the 200's so they will buck the wind great........and they are going to be going relatively slow so the hole shouldn't be all that big. 8)
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: Kain on January 28, 2009, 09:35:59 PM: You could try these. Its says for light thin skinned game. :dunno: Not that it matters but it also one of the coolest looking bullets I have seen. :chuckle:

http://www.winchester.com/products/catalog/cfrdetail.aspx?symbol=SBST3006&cart=MzAtMDYgU3ByaW5nZmllbGQ=&use=7
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: atomicjoe23 on January 29, 2009, 10:45:57 AM: Quote from: Kain on January 28, 2009, 09:35:59 PM
You could try these. Its says for light thin skinned game. :dunno: Not that it matters but it also one of the coolest looking bullets I have seen. :chuckle:

http://www.winchester.com/products/catalog/cfrdetail.aspx?symbol=SBST3006&cart=MzAtMDYgU3ByaW5nZmllbGQ=&use=7

I shot the 55 gr. version of these out of my .22-250 and my gun absolutely hated the round. . .it shot the cheap Winchester USA 45 gr. JHP's sub 1/2 MOA, but it did not like the Ballistic Tips at all. . .I can't find the Win USA stuff locally so I'm gonna try some of the 40 & 50 gr. Ballistic Tips on Saturday and I'm hoping that it will like one of them as much as the 45 gr. JHP's. . .

. . .but they do look cool with the silver case and grey bullet. . .
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: Special T on October 07, 2010, 06:07:07 PM: I wanted to revive this thread because i'm going to be doing some experimenting with the excellerator rounds.
https://www.eabco.com/reload02.html (https://www.eabco.com/reload02.html) I ordered up the starter kit for these sabots... I'm gona be working with an custom hand loader near by. The starter kit is like $20 and 8 bucks shipping. has 100 sabots and sabot seater... I have a stock 30 06 rem 700 that i may do a little work to... My hope is to be able to whack a yote with these out to 400yrds or so... I look forward to letting everyone know how it works..
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: demontang on October 07, 2010, 06:51:52 PM: I'd look at some 150gr bullets they would be the best bet.
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: Special T on October 07, 2010, 07:10:25 PM: I've been using either 165 grain trophy bonded bear-claws (not too concerned about fur) or 150 grain CMP ball ammo. both work ok... I am a left handed shooter and like lefty guns... cannot quite justify an AR which i'd really like and believe if i can afford $800 for a pimp 22-250 w Nikon ballistic drop scope then i might as well buck up for an AR with the same scope. :twocents: Since neither is much of a possibility I figured I'd give this a try... I'm willing to drop a few hundred to improve my 06 and see if this works. :twocents:
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: FC on October 07, 2010, 07:18:46 PM: Try these http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=1482335572 (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=1482335572) you will retain much more velocity at long range using the heavier bullets instead of the sabot rounds.
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: Jellymon on October 07, 2010, 07:35:26 PM: I shot some accelerators and I might as well be shooting my bow at 200yds. :chuckle: Not accurate for me.
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: bobcat on October 07, 2010, 08:25:11 PM: Quote from: FC on October 07, 2010, 07:18:46 PM
Try these http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=1482335572 (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=1482335572) you will retain much more velocity at long range using the heavier bullets instead of the sabot rounds.

:yeah: Even a good 150 grain boattail bullet will fly way better than those lightweight .223 caliber bullets w/sabots. The wind is really going to blow them off course at 400 yards. That 175 Sierra would be a good flat shooting bullet but I'd probably go with a 150 grain just because of the recoil factor.
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: dontgetcrabs on October 07, 2010, 08:41:40 PM: Tried em as a young buck for the cool factor. Never used them in the field because of accuracy problems. I can tell you it's a very potent watermelon killen round. :chuckle:
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: FC on October 07, 2010, 09:08:13 PM: Jimmy, your 06 unless it's a freak or special order is a 1 in 10 twist, 55gr .224 will do great from about 1 in 9 to 1 in 12.
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: dontgetcrabs on October 07, 2010, 09:53:43 PM: Hmmm Sooo how many ravens have ya got? :o
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: bobcat on October 07, 2010, 10:14:06 PM: Sounds like a job I would like to have! :tup:
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: BlackRidge on October 07, 2010, 10:31:52 PM: I've found the somewhat inexpensive Remington Coreloks work well

Good accuracy, cheap in comparison and out of an -06, that yote is paste :P
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: coachcw on October 08, 2010, 09:27:10 PM: is there a 06 that groups , not impressed with any ive ever shot .
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: FC on October 08, 2010, 09:49:48 PM: Quote from: coachcw on October 08, 2010, 09:27:10 PM
is there a 06 that groups , not impressed with any ive ever shot .

Try shooting without flinching! The cartridge is very accurate.
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: bobcat on October 08, 2010, 10:06:36 PM: It's not so much a particular cartridge that is accurate or not accurate, it's the rifle. A rifle chambered in 30-06 is just as likely to be accurate as if it was chambered in any other cartridge. I'm not sure the 30-06 would be the most popular cartridge ever if it wasn't capable of being accurate.
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: FC on October 08, 2010, 10:21:30 PM: Quote from: bobcat on October 08, 2010, 10:06:36 PM
It's not so much a particular cartridge that is accurate or not accurate, it's the rifle.

I will agree to disagree.

http://www.snipercountry.com/articles/accuracyfacts.asp (http://www.snipercountry.com/articles/accuracyfacts.asp)
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: bobcat on October 08, 2010, 10:47:24 PM: I realize some cartridges are "inherently" more accurate than others. But when you're talking about deer and elk rifles, you're not going to see much difference in accuracy between the 308 and the 30-06. Your standard bolt action hunting rifle can be made to shoot 1/2 inch groups just as easily with a 30-06 as with a 308. It's not until you start getting into the heavy benchrest type rifles where you're going to see any advantage to a 308 over the 30-06. And since this is a hunting sight, I was talking hunting accuracy, not benchrest rifle accuracy.
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: bobcat on October 08, 2010, 10:49:58 PM: Besides, didn't you post previously that the 30-06 is "very accurate" ???
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: FC on October 08, 2010, 10:53:28 PM: Quote from: bobcat on October 08, 2010, 10:49:58 PM
Besides, didn't you post previously that the 30-06 is "very accurate" ???

Yes I did! It took a 7.62x51 to beat it!
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: bobcat on October 08, 2010, 10:57:43 PM: Well, all I know is there are plenty of accurate 30-06 rifles out there. But of course, it may depend on a person's definiton of "accurate." Do you believe that if a person were to go out and buy two rifles, one in 308 and one in 30-06, but otherwise identical, that the 308 would be the more accurate rifle the majority of the time?
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: trotterlg on October 08, 2010, 10:58:15 PM: I've done some fairly extensive testing on the "accelerator" type of rounds. I have never been able to get one that will shoot less than about 8 inches at 100 yards or talked to any one else that will even claim they have seen one that will beat that. They do go fast however. They are a nitch or gimmic type of round, if they were that good they would be on every shelf and they are not. A 30-06 for Coyotes? Just shoot what ever you have, it just doesn't matter, it will be total distruction. Larry
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: bobcat on October 08, 2010, 11:01:04 PM: Well, a guy could try those reduced recoil loads that Remington and maybe one more company sells. If you were interested in shooting coyotes without destroying them. Another option would be to use a Barnes bullet, which is hard enough that it may not expand at all.
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: trotterlg on October 08, 2010, 11:03:59 PM: There are definately cartridges that are more accurate than others, in BR shooting just take a look at the percentage that shoot 6MM BR's. A 308 will have an advantage over a 30-06 any day of the week, you may find a 30-06 that will out shoot a 308, but there will be alot more 308's that will out shoot the 30-06's out there. But, who cares if you are shooting an elk at 20 yards. I was thiking this was thread about accelerator rounds in a 30-06? Thread drift I guess..................Larry
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: bobcat on October 08, 2010, 11:07:14 PM: Yeah well I think it was determined in the very beginning of this thread that accelerators are pretty much useless. What good are they if you can't hit anything that's farther than 50 yards. So yes, "thread drift" I guess you would call it. I think it really started drifting off course when someone questioned the accuracy of the 30-06 cartridge itself. :o
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: FC on October 08, 2010, 11:09:13 PM: Quote from: bobcat on October 08, 2010, 10:57:43 PM
Do you believe that if a person were to go out and buy two rifles, one in 308 and one in 30-06, but otherwise identical, that the 308 would be the more accurate rifle the majority of the time?

Yes actually I do, have a read on that article I linked at what military rifles were able to do with military match ammo. Those were standard weighted rifles not 40lb railroad tie mounted freaks.

For hunting I also think it would be moot within reasonable range (300 yards or less) but yes the .308 is pretty well proven to be significantly more accurate.
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: bobcat on October 08, 2010, 11:09:57 PM: I guess I need to go out and buy a 308 and test that theory for myself. :chuckle:
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: FC on October 08, 2010, 11:10:28 PM: Quote from: bobcat on October 08, 2010, 11:07:14 PM
"thread drift"

LoL...I think a special smilie is needed!
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: Jellymon on October 09, 2010, 01:51:17 PM: I dont know, 30-06 is pretty accurate for me. Ruger M77 MK2 with a 22" sporter barrel and a 8 1/2lb trigger. Stock gun. these are from 100yds.
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: Special T on November 01, 2010, 10:12:53 AM: So i got done shooting some of the custom accelerator reloads and wanted to tell /show you how it worked out.. At 50 yards the first 3 shots looked like we hit a home run.. very tight group with 2 holes touching... Then we moved it out to 100yrds... not so impressive Aiming for for the center square the first 3 rounds went hi 2 to the Left and one way high and slightly right... I must at this was using a adjustable front rest and sand bag on a shooting table... VERY stable... We then loaded a Remington factory accelerator round. it is the hole low and left in the corner of the black 2in square... We tried shooting at the lower right square... we shot in 3 shot groups... the 2 grouped closely together wear the first and last shot... I also tried shooting at a steel gong at 300yrds.. 1ft wide by 2ft tall.. could not hit it.. We used the starter kit from https://www.eabco.com/reload02.html (https://www.eabco.com/reload02.html) to do the loading... we used some bulk nosler 55grain hollow points for the test... wasn't really impressed.. the factory ammo cronoed at 4200 fps and the reloads were faster but crono kept registering the plastic jacket because the bullet had already suppurated... I still have some of the factory rounds and 10 of the reloads if anyone else is interested in doing something with this, but i was not particularly impressed.. neither was Bob the guy i worked with doing the custom reloading...
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: Hornseeker on November 01, 2010, 05:53:03 PM: Yowsa!!! Not good accurracy!! :o

As for the 308 being "more accurate" than an 06'..... :chuckle:

Seriously, like to see those tests...
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: FC on November 01, 2010, 06:54:29 PM: Quote from: Hornseeker on November 01, 2010, 05:53:03 PM

As for the 308 being "more accurate" than an 06'..... :chuckle:

Seriously, like to see those tests...

Do some looking and you will find plenty.
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: Hornseeker on November 02, 2010, 09:49:40 AM: Nahh... thats ok. If we are "splitting hairs" I"m not interested. I've seen 30-06's win a number of 1000 yard shoots, over 308s, 300 Winnys, 300 Baers, etc....to say the 308 is "more accurrate" is just silly... I'm not saying the 30-06 is "more accurrate" than a 308, just saying there's no meaningful difference. If you disagree with that, then hopefully you'll agree to disagree with me.
Title: Re: 30-06 accelerator rounds for coyotes
Post by: Hornseeker on November 02, 2010, 10:00:39 AM: Ok, I can see where you have come to that conclusion FC... and rightly so if articles that are all over are backed up with the evidence they say they are! :o
This is a good one here.... http://www.snipercountry.com/articles/accuracyfacts.asp (http://www.snipercountry.com/articles/accuracyfacts.asp)

So in the world of target shooting and splitting hairs, I admit you are right!!!!

Thanks for the truth.... I will be hawking all my 30-06's now! :chuckle: