Post by: robertsjd on February 23, 2016, 11:03:31 AM
not worried about price any other suggestions of packs not on my list are welcome as well
Post by: 7mag. on February 23, 2016, 10:12:01 PM
Post by: coop2424 on February 23, 2016, 10:53:51 PM
Post by: haugenna on February 23, 2016, 11:12:52 PM
looking for a new pack this season I have been running the kuiu icon pro 5200 for the past 2 seasons and am thinking of trying something new. I had no issues with the kuiu just want to cycle through some higher end packs and am on the fence between; MR Metcalf ---Exo 5500---kifaru timberline 2--- any information on any of these 3 would be appreciated thanks in advance !Don't forget stone glacier.
not worried about price any other suggestions of packs not on my list are welcome as well
Post by: Magnum_Willys on February 23, 2016, 11:47:30 PM
If I was backpacking regularly I would bump up to the kifaru. Probably the Duplex frame but wouldn't use that for day hunts - my 3 lb kuiu is very nice for a day pack / meat pack.
Post by: ridgefire on February 24, 2016, 06:23:15 AM
Post by: Branden on February 24, 2016, 07:45:08 PM
Regards, Branden
Post by: robertsjd on February 25, 2016, 01:52:04 PM
Post by: Timberstalker on February 25, 2016, 01:56:46 PM
If you call them now, they still have 12 in stock. Just an option for you.
Post by: trophyhunt on February 25, 2016, 02:26:54 PM
Post by: walleye1 on February 25, 2016, 02:32:26 PM
Post by: kellama2001 on February 25, 2016, 02:58:19 PM
Post by: whacker1 on February 25, 2016, 03:00:39 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 25, 2016, 03:07:35 PM
Post by: robertsjd on February 26, 2016, 01:41:19 PM
Post by: CoryTDF on February 26, 2016, 01:51:56 PM
have this set up and like it.
https://store.seekoutside.com/unaweep-fortress-3900-4900/
Post by: fisheral87 on February 26, 2016, 01:58:09 PM
The meat between the bag feature is awesome, one of the big reasons kifaru didn't get my money, yet, maybe. :)
Al
Post by: MtnMuley on February 26, 2016, 02:02:06 PM
All of the above mentioned packs are quality packs. :tup:
Post by: X-Force on February 26, 2016, 02:14:04 PM
The plus side of picking up a 5500 over the MR or T2 is that Exo will sell other bags for your frame. The T2 is a great bag but without the frame you are stuck with just that pack and Mystery ranch has stopped selling the bags separate from the frame(which is the point of an external frame).
As far as customer service I would put Exo and Kifaru on top with MR down a notch but not by much. Mystery ranch will also be coming to local stores in a month or 2 with their new bag systems. :twocents:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 26, 2016, 04:55:56 PM
Post by: couesbitten on February 26, 2016, 09:09:27 PM
Of the packs you mentioned, I own a Kifaru Bikini w/Highcamp 7000 and an Exo 5500, additionally, I own a Horn Hunter Full Curl, which is also 100% made in the USA, has functional load lifters and can be purchased for less than $400. You absolutely can't go wrong with any of these bags, they all have pros/cons, it really comes down to personal preference. I got my Exo last May, and used it all summer, it's a great pack, but if I thought I was going to be coming out heavy on a backcountry hunting trip, it's unlikely that I would take anything other than my Kifaru.
Post by: trophyhunt on April 22, 2016, 05:05:19 PM
I've got the Exo 3500 and it fits/carries weight better than any other pack I have ever owned, but it's the only one of those you listed that I have owned.need to bump this thread, I'm in the market for a good bag. Kifaru, stone glacier are my two top pics. This comment above has me scratching my head, does the kifaru bag not separate from the frame to allow meat to be carried out with your gear? Also, why so many damn options on the kifaru? I wouldn't have a clue which frame to pick out and what bag I should choose?? The stone glacier sky 7400 looks perfect, which frame/bag combo from kifaru compares to that pack?? Thanks guys
The meat between the bag feature is awesome, one of the big reasons kifaru didn't get my money, yet, maybe. :)
Al
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on April 22, 2016, 05:31:24 PM
The kifaru bag will separate from frame, but will need to be rigged to "expand" from the frame if that is your intent. I believe a couple of kifaru bags like the tahr may be factory setup this way, but most are not. I have not personally tried it because i have all the room I need for both meat and gear and am setup to run in bag, so prefer not to mess around with separating my bag from frame.
As far as bags go again its just options. I am currently using the AMR, a guide lid and 2 belt pouches. This serves me perfect. But alot of other options are just as good. Simply depends on the bag style you prefer and how much room you need.
Post by: Smossy on April 22, 2016, 05:37:56 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on April 22, 2016, 05:56:50 PM
Options are great, it just takes a bit more research and knowing your exact needs. But the abiltiy to taylor to specific need is awesome. IMO.i would like to have the bigger bag, 7000 or more. Both these brands shrink down if I'm not packing for 3 or more days in. I really want to keep my meat and gear separated, the stone sky shows a great video on how to operate the bag. Thanks for info, keep it coming!
The kifaru bag will separate from frame, but will need to be rigged to "expand" from the frame if that is your intent. I believe a couple of kifaru bags like the tahr may be factory setup this way, but most are not. I have not personally tried it because i have all the room I need for both meat and gear and am setup to run in bag, so prefer not to mess around with separating my bag from frame.
As far as bags go again its just options. I am currently using the AMR, a guide lid and 2 belt pouches. This serves me perfect. But alot of other options are just as good. Simply depends on the bag style you prefer and how much room you need.
Post by: Duckslayer89 on April 22, 2016, 05:59:23 PM
Options are great, it just takes a bit more research and knowing your exact needs. But the abiltiy to taylor to specific need is awesome. IMO.i would like to have the bigger bag, 7000 or more. Both these brands shrink down if I'm not packing for 3 or more days in. I really want to keep my meat and gear separated, the stone sky shows a great video on how to operate the bag. Thanks for info, keep it coming!
The kifaru bag will separate from frame, but will need to be rigged to "expand" from the frame if that is your intent. I believe a couple of kifaru bags like the tahr may be factory setup this way, but most are not. I have not personally tried it because i have all the room I need for both meat and gear and am setup to run in bag, so prefer not to mess around with separating my bag from frame.
As far as bags go again its just options. I am currently using the AMR, a guide lid and 2 belt pouches. This serves me perfect. But alot of other options are just as good. Simply depends on the bag style you prefer and how much room you need.
Throw a gamebag in the main compartment of the bag and load boned out meat into it. If you want put the game bag inside a plastic bag just for the pack out. Easy.
Post by: Stickerbush on April 22, 2016, 06:32:24 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on April 22, 2016, 06:39:09 PM
Post by: Duckslayer89 on April 22, 2016, 07:22:44 PM
If you get the Kifaru with the new Duplex frame, I'm willing to bet you won't be sorry.
Did you ever bite the bullet on the new frame man?
Post by: 7mag. on April 22, 2016, 07:24:05 PM
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Post by: Duckslayer89 on April 22, 2016, 07:27:08 PM
Yes I did. It's awesome.
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NICE man. It's way better then my bikini was. The straps are thicker so they spread the weight out better. Softer padding on the back too
Post by: 7mag. on April 22, 2016, 07:27:56 PM
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Post by: buglebrush on April 22, 2016, 07:39:00 PM
Post by: Duckslayer89 on April 22, 2016, 07:43:27 PM
Planning to pull the trigger on an Exo 3500. For me big load capability and room for 3-7 day trips combined with function and comfort as a day pack is my goal. Currently running a badlands 2200. Would love to hear more discussion on this. Personally am not impressed with Kifarus system. Love their frames, but not the pack bags, and meat between the bag and frame is really important for me. Remember most of my packs use will be day hunts or overnight bivy's
Idk my DT1 is tough as nails with heavy duty zippers. Love the grab it for packing my bow in instead of carrying it. I use it for a day pack as well. I wouldn't want to go any smaller then the DT1 for any over nighters
Post by: coop2424 on April 22, 2016, 07:52:13 PM
Planning to pull the trigger on an Exo 3500. For me big load capability and room for 3-7 day trips combined with function and comfort as a day pack is my goal. Currently running a badlands 2200. Would love to hear more discussion on this. Personally am not impressed with Kifarus system. Love their frames, but not the pack bags, and meat between the bag and frame is really important for me. Remember most of my packs use will be day hunts or overnight bivy's
Get the 5500 if your going with Exo not much weight penalty and you will like the extra room if going for 3-5 days.. I ran the Exo last year and stepped up to kifaru with dt1. I don't think the two packs are in the same category frame or bags personally couldn't of been happier with my move..
Post by: coop2424 on April 22, 2016, 07:53:47 PM
Post by: buglebrush on April 22, 2016, 11:03:25 PM
Planning to pull the trigger on an Exo 3500. For me big load capability and room for 3-7 day trips combined with function and comfort as a day pack is my goal. Currently running a badlands 2200. Would love to hear more discussion on this. Personally am not impressed with Kifarus system. Love their frames, but not the pack bags, and meat between the bag and frame is really important for me. Remember most of my packs use will be day hunts or overnight bivy's
Get the 5500 if your going with Exo not much weight penalty and you will like the extra room if going for 3-5 days.. I ran the Exo last year and stepped up to kifaru with dt1. I don't think the two packs are in the same category frame or bags personally couldn't of been happier with my move..
Why would you say kifaru is so much better? Not arguing just genuinely curious. What part of it do you like that the exo doesn't have or do?
And as far as the 5500 I know it compresses down, but I hate running a compressed pack. I just don't like all that extra pack bag, and on the few times l need the space i will just drop a dry sack in the near shelf. The 3500 is actually 7000 ci when run fully loaded. The 5500 is also wider. I am super minimal on gear, and almost exclusively hunt September for any of my overnight hunts as well. Would reconsider if I was hunting in the colder months. But this list is really due to my personal preferences. I guess what I am really trying to find out is what other people's preferences and experiences led to their opinions. Thanks for the feedback!
Post by: deerslyr on April 23, 2016, 06:23:44 AM
Planning to pull the trigger on an Exo 3500. For me big load capability and room for 3-7 day trips combined with function and comfort as a day pack is my goal. Currently running a badlands 2200. Would love to hear more discussion on this. Personally am not impressed with Kifarus system. Love their frames, but not the pack bags, and meat between the bag and frame is really important for me. Remember most of my packs use will be day hunts or overnight bivy's
Get the 5500 if your going with Exo not much weight penalty and you will like the extra room if going for 3-5 days.. I ran the Exo last year and stepped up to kifaru with dt1. I don't think the two packs are in the same category frame or bags personally couldn't of been happier with my move..
Why would you say kifaru is so much better? Not arguing just genuinely curious. What part of it do you like that the exo doesn't have or do?
And as far as the 5500 I know it compresses down, but I hate running a compressed pack. I just don't like all that extra pack bag, and on the few times l need the space i will just drop a dry sack in the near shelf. The 3500 is actually 7000 ci when run fully loaded. The 5500 is also wider. I am super minimal on gear, and almost exclusively hunt September for any of my overnight hunts as well. Would reconsider if I was hunting in the colder months. But this list is really due to my personal preferences. I guess what I am really trying to find out is what other people's preferences and experiences led to their opinions. Thanks for the feedback!
Kifaru is a whole different caliber of pack. The price and 3 week wait period reflect that. I have an exo FTR.
Post by: coop2424 on April 23, 2016, 07:37:06 AM
Post by: Smossy on April 23, 2016, 02:45:02 PM
You and me both, I picked up the DT3 before I they stopped making them. Never thought Id need a big huge bag. After stuffing it full of pillows. I started kicking myself. Still a nice pack though.Options are great, it just takes a bit more research and knowing your exact needs. But the abiltiy to taylor to specific need is awesome. IMO.i would like to have the bigger bag, 7000 or more. Both these brands shrink down if I'm not packing for 3 or more days in. I really want to keep my meat and gear separated, the stone sky shows a great video on how to operate the bag. Thanks for info, keep it coming!
The kifaru bag will separate from frame, but will need to be rigged to "expand" from the frame if that is your intent. I believe a couple of kifaru bags like the tahr may be factory setup this way, but most are not. I have not personally tried it because i have all the room I need for both meat and gear and am setup to run in bag, so prefer not to mess around with separating my bag from frame.
As far as bags go again its just options. I am currently using the AMR, a guide lid and 2 belt pouches. This serves me perfect. But alot of other options are just as good. Simply depends on the bag style you prefer and how much room you need.
Post by: westside Elkhunter on April 23, 2016, 03:48:16 PM
Good luck on your choice. Some days it feels over whelming what one to pick. All of them have some good videos on their packs and frames
Post by: buglebrush on April 23, 2016, 04:01:19 PM
In regards a choice between an Exo Pack (3500 or 5500) and a Kifaru pack. . IMO If set on exo i would go the 5500. I have the 3500 and now wish i went with the 5500. The 3500 is a nice pack and i enjoy it. But wish i had a little more room at times. And now on to Kiafru. At the Portland sportsman show a couple years ago. they had some Kifaru packs there. So I chatted with Aron from Kifaru about some of there packs. So after a few minutes he let me try one of there packs. I think it was the mountain rambler with 80 pounds in it. So i walked around a bit with it. It fit really nice and very comfortable for me. After that i decided i would save up and get one. My kifaru frame pick would be the new Hunting frame and not sure on bag yet :). But another one not to forget about is Stone Glacier. They have some good choices. I also really like the look of the new 6900 pack.
Good luck on your choice. Some days it feels over whelming what one to pick. All of them have some good videos on their packs and frames
Thanks for the feedback. I may learn the hard way, but I am pretty stuck on 3500. Like I said it is predominately day hunts for me. I live right in the area I hunt, and run out for lots of one and two day hunts. If I did a 5-7 day every year I would go with the 5500, but it's just not what I do. Also, an easy way to carry meat without putting it in the bag is super important since I always take a really heavy first load out. I have researched this extensively, and do recognized that for hauling loads there simply is nothing better than Kifaru, but like I said for my situation 80% of the time I will only have day pack loads, and from what I can tell the EXO will be a huge upgrade from my Badlands 2200 for that first load out. Keep them coming. :)
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 23, 2016, 04:41:00 PM
I also take as much as I can out with a first load and I just put it in the main bag.
Post by: kentrek on April 23, 2016, 04:53:00 PM
Post by: buglebrush on April 23, 2016, 05:24:34 PM
Why are you so set against putting meat in the bag? I use a mr nice 6500 for everything I do. Yesterday I had it loaded up at 130 lbs when hauling grain to fill my feeder. 2 trips in like that.
I also take as much as I can out with a first load and I just put it in the main bag.
I don't like to get blood in my pack or on my gear. Sometimes we go overnight, and just carry camp on our backs. I have used garbage bags, and waterproof meat bags, but have still had leaking issues. Also meat breathes so much better in game bags. I have got out to the truck at midnight with all my gear and a buddies elk, and been back in the woods at first light the next morning. Pretty hard to do that if you need to wash out your pack and off your gear. Just a preference thing really. I like not touching my pack and gear but just simply loading meat outside of the bag.
Seems like your on the rite track with packs, they all will fit the bill...but i can't speak highly enough about packing game bags with you....enough for the entire animal
Totally agree. Never leave an animal until it is completely boned, in bags, and hanging.
Post by: kentrek on April 23, 2016, 05:30:05 PM
Good luck :tup:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 23, 2016, 06:01:23 PM
Post by: buglebrush on April 23, 2016, 07:05:10 PM
Not at all trying to convince you otherwise but I've never cared if my gear is all bloody. If I need to hunt more right away I'll just rub dirt all over the bloody spots. :chuckle:
Each to his own :) I just don't like to smell fermenting blood on my gear. It gets pretty hot and buggy in September too and blood on the pack is a bad combo. I have enjoyed all the discussions though.
Post by: j_h_nimrod on April 23, 2016, 07:53:06 PM
Post by: coop2424 on April 23, 2016, 08:00:49 PM
Post by: couesbitten on April 23, 2016, 08:17:43 PM
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on April 23, 2016, 08:30:54 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 23, 2016, 08:45:58 PM
Who in their right mind would sell an EXO pack? :). I have both the 3500 and 5500 bags and have no need or reason to look elsewhere, ever. They are the best "hunting" packs on the market IMHO.I think coop decided to sell his when I smoked him coming out of the woods with half his elk in my mystery ranch! :chuckle:
That had more to do with my awesomeness than the ability of the Exo...
I really don't think you can go wrong with any of the "good packs" Exo mr Kifaru sg etc.
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on April 23, 2016, 08:48:00 PM
Who in their right mind would sell an EXO pack? :). I have both the 3500 and 5500 bags and have no need or reason to look elsewhere, ever. They are the best "hunting" packs on the market IMHO.I think coop decided to sell his when I smoked him coming out of the woods with half his elk in my mystery ranch! :chuckle:
That had more to do with my awesomeness than the ability of the Exo...
I really don't think you can go wrong with any of the "good packs" Exo mr Kifaru sg etc.
Ha, nicely played sir.
Post by: coop2424 on April 23, 2016, 08:48:10 PM
Who in their right mind would sell an EXO pack? :). I have both the 3500 and 5500 bags and have no need or reason to look elsewhere, ever. They are the best "hunting" packs on the market IMHO.
I have sold two.. Bullblaster did woop my butt but it was my bull so win win.. Haha
Post by: buglebrush on April 23, 2016, 09:55:44 PM
I guess to summarize I am looking for a " wear it at all times hunting pack". As I said most of my hunts are day hunts although they are still extremely grueling as far as distance and terrain covered. With that as my primary focus I do like the exo 3500. Actually my Badlands 2200 performed admirably except when I had to pack camp plus meat. ( carried 120#'s last year for 9 hours and that was not fun ). As I mentioned also I am minimalist about the amount of heat I carry which makes a big difference here too. Thanks again, and by all means keep them coming.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 23, 2016, 10:50:17 PM
Post by: MountainWalk on April 23, 2016, 11:58:53 PM
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on April 24, 2016, 03:07:29 PM
Thanks for all the info guys! I have really enjoyed seeing others perspectives. As one of you mentioned my mind is made up. If Kifaru was apples to apples money wise it may be a different discussion, but I am still not sure about that. I know lots of people will find this thread informative, as I have.
I guess to summarize I am looking for a " wear it at all times hunting pack". As I said most of my hunts are day hunts although they are still extremely grueling as far as distance and terrain covered. With that as my primary focus I do like the exo 3500. Actually my Badlands 2200 performed admirably except when I had to pack camp plus meat. ( carried 120#'s last year for 9 hours and that was not fun ). As I mentioned also I am minimalist about the amount of heat I carry which makes a big difference here too. Thanks again, and by all means keep them coming.
Not bagging on the EXO as it is a great pack... its been mentioned any of the packs mentioned will serve you well :tup: But I do think you may be looking at the wrong options from kifaru if not apples to apples. True, running a Duplex frame and Timberline or AMR is gonna be significantly more. But a kifaru ultralight frame is 318 which should fill your niche most appropriately. A Markhor or Tahr bag will run slightly less than 200. Similar pricing to an EXO. The Tahr has the built in meat shelf, if that's your preference. Just more options to think about.
Post by: cld40 on April 25, 2016, 10:22:56 AM
i almost went with the tahr, argali, options but did not want to spend a ton of money on pockets so i ended up getting a 22mag, couple belt pouches,
ul frame capable of heavy loads
take a look at the 22mag
the 22mag has pockets and built in organization
its a great day pack with options
you can detach it from the frame and put whatever between it and the frame if you want to
use the "bgf15" promo code on kifaru site for 15% off right now
great deal!!!!
ul frame and 22mag $515 shipped
Post by: buglebrush on April 25, 2016, 10:51:01 AM
i agree with blackveltbowhunter
i almost went with the tahr, argali, options but did not want to spend a ton of money on pockets so i ended up getting a 22mag, couple belt pouches,
ul frame capable of heavy loads
take a look at the 22mag
the 22mag has pockets and built in organization
its a great day pack with options
you can detach it from the frame and put whatever between it and the frame if you want to
use the "bgf15" promo code on kifaru site for 15% off right now
great deal!!!!
ul frame and 22mag $515 shipped
Thanks for the input. For my height the 22" frame is too short. Great deal though!
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on April 25, 2016, 12:22:36 PM
A) it causes strange loads with your bag further away from your back.
B) all problems can be solved with a contractors garbage bag. I've packed out a few animals now with zero problems.
As to the Exo and SG, their belts just don't compare to Kifaru's...it's not even close IMO.
If I could get SG to design Kifaru'a bags though...then we'd be in business!
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Post by: buglebrush on April 25, 2016, 12:49:50 PM
I just can't understand this "meat shelf" idea people fall in love with.
A) it causes strange loads with your bag further away from your back.
B) all problems can be solved with a contractors garbage bag. I've packed out a few animals now with zero problems.
As to the Exo and SG, their belts just don't compare to Kifaru's...it's not even close IMO.
If I could get SG to design Kifaru'a bags though...then we'd be in business!
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The thing many of you are missing in regards to some of us liking a Meatshelf is it allows you to carry a much more compact pack. For example the Exo 3500 actually has 7,000 CI if you include the meat shelf. I know many of you just buy 7,000 CI packs and compress them down, but I don't like running a huge compressed pack for day hunts. Since meat hauling or extra food for 7+days is the only time I need extra space a dry bag dropped into the meat shelf area keeps my pack tidy and functional. I have hauled plenty of loads inside different packs in garbage bags too.
Post by: trophyhunt on April 25, 2016, 01:31:40 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on April 25, 2016, 01:34:33 PM
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on April 25, 2016, 01:44:26 PM
Icon pro 7,200???
The Icon Pros are legit packs IMO...KUIUs best pack to date, and on par with the Exos...
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Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on April 25, 2016, 01:45:49 PM
I just can't understand this "meat shelf" idea people fall in love with.
A) it causes strange loads with your bag further away from your back.
B) all problems can be solved with a contractors garbage bag. I've packed out a few animals now with zero problems.
As to the Exo and SG, their belts just don't compare to Kifaru's...it's not even close IMO.
If I could get SG to design Kifaru'a bags though...then we'd be in business!
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The thing many of you are missing in regards to some of us liking a Meatshelf is it allows you to carry a much more compact pack. For example the Exo 3500 actually has 7,000 CI if you include the meat shelf. I know many of you just buy 7,000 CI packs and compress them down, but I don't like running a huge compressed pack for day hunts. Since meat hauling or extra food for 7+days is the only time I need extra space a dry bag dropped into the meat shelf area keeps my pack tidy and functional. I have hauled plenty of loads inside different packs in garbage bags too.
To each there own...
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Post by: trophyhunt on April 25, 2016, 01:50:14 PM
and a bit cheaper than SG or kifaru.Icon pro 7,200???
The Icon Pros are legit packs IMO...KUIUs best pack to date, and on par with the Exos...
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Post by: robertsjd on April 25, 2016, 03:46:16 PM
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on April 26, 2016, 10:50:29 AM
Plus...where are his trekking poles? Ha.
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Here is Scott and I with 2 full loaded packs...notice we are standing vertical...
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Post by: Duckslayer89 on April 26, 2016, 11:00:18 AM
Here is an example of why I don't really like the Meat Shelf...notice how far forward he has to lean to compensate for the weight pulling him backward. He's created an additional 10-14" of horizontal space.
Plus...where are his trekking poles? Ha.
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Here is Scott and I with 2 full loaded packs...notice we are standing vertical...
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The meat shelf doesn't make any sense to have your pack hanging off like that. Creates even more weight with leverage. It's like using a short pry bar vs long pry bar.
Post by: sirmissalot on April 26, 2016, 11:19:27 AM
Here is an example of why I don't really like the Meat Shelf...notice how far forward he has to lean to compensate for the weight pulling him backward. He's created an additional 10-14" of horizontal space.
Plus...where are his trekking poles? Ha.
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Here is Scott and I with 2 full loaded packs...notice we are standing vertical...
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There is no way you are comparing similar loads in these two pictures. What is that a solo and a access bag both stuffed full and a bone in hind compared to a Kifaru bag not even stuffed full but appears to be similar sized to the solo, maybe a couple thousand cubic inches bigger.
The heaviest park of that SG load is obviously the bone in quarter, which is the whole idea of the load shelf, keeping it as close to the body as possible. Strapping the bow on like that didn't make much sense unless you're trying to prove a point for a picture.
Like you said, to each their own. There are certainly benefits to both options.
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on April 26, 2016, 11:20:55 AM
Here is an example of why I don't really like the Meat Shelf...notice how far forward he has to lean to compensate for the weight pulling him backward. He's created an additional 10-14" of horizontal space.
Plus...where are his trekking poles? Ha.
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Here is Scott and I with 2 full loaded packs...notice we are standing vertical...
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The meat shelf doesn't make any sense to have your pack hanging off like that. Creates even more weight with leverage. It's like using a short pry bar vs long pry bar.
Right, but that's the way it's designed...
If you have your normal daypack on and need to get 3 miles back to camp, then you aren't leaving all your stuff there.
Remember, these backpacks are designed for backcountry hunting...
Not necessarily "meat hauling," though they will do that better then most others on the market.
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Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on April 26, 2016, 11:23:34 AM
Here is an example of why I don't really like the Meat Shelf...notice how far forward he has to lean to compensate for the weight pulling him backward. He's created an additional 10-14" of horizontal space.
Plus...where are his trekking poles? Ha.
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Here is Scott and I with 2 full loaded packs...notice we are standing vertical...
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There is no way you are comparing similar loads in these two pictures. What is that a solo and a access bag both stuffed full and a bone in hind compared to a Kifaru bag not even stuffed full but appears to be similar sized to the solo, maybe a couple thousand cubic inches bigger.
The heaviest park of that SG load is obviously the bone in quarter, which is the whole idea of the load shelf, keeping it as close to the body as possible. Strapping the bow on like that didn't make much sense unless you're trying to prove a point for a picture.
Like you said, to each their own. There are certainly benefits to both options.
Those loads Scott and I had are approximately 90-100 pounds.
Those packs we have are 8400 CU...
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Post by: trophyhunt on April 26, 2016, 11:44:16 AM
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on April 26, 2016, 11:50:21 AM
I see what your talking about silk, that's quite a load.
I'm not trying to cause a huge fight, but it's the main reason I don't like the Meat Shelf.
That pack is a 3k cu pack, likely with all his day hunt gear.
That quarter probably is in the 75-80 pound range with the bone in.
Plus day hunt gear he's looking at 100-110.
I think that's a very fair analysis and comparison.
But if that's how you want to pack and like it...knock yourself out!
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Post by: Duckslayer89 on April 26, 2016, 01:02:23 PM
I see what your talking about silk, that's quite a load.
I'm not trying to cause a huge fight, but it's the main reason I don't like the Meat Shelf.
That pack is a 3k cu pack, likely with all his day hunt gear.
That quarter probably is in the 75-80 pound range with the bone in.
Plus day hunt gear he's looking at 100-110.
I think that's a very fair analysis and comparison.
But if that's how you want to pack and like it...knock yourself out!
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I don't know why someone would ever hike bone-in meat out of the backcountry anyways.
Post by: Dhoey07 on April 26, 2016, 01:06:03 PM
Here is an example of why I don't really like the Meat Shelf...notice how far forward he has to lean to compensate for the weight pulling him backward. He's created an additional 10-14" of horizontal space.
Plus...where are his trekking poles? Ha.
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Here is Scott and I with 2 full loaded packs...notice we are standing vertical...
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And also posing for a picture :chuckle:
I took a nice picture one time with my loaded day pack, a front quarter strapped to it and a rear quarter over my shoulder......it doesn't mean that's how I ended up.
Post by: kentrek on April 26, 2016, 01:06:43 PM
If you miss use them that's your fault....not the load shelfs
Post by: trophyhunt on April 26, 2016, 01:11:35 PM
Post by: buglebrush on April 26, 2016, 01:24:57 PM
Here is an example of why I don't really like the Meat Shelf...notice how far forward he has to lean to compensate for the weight pulling him backward. He's created an additional 10-14" of horizontal space.
Plus...where are his trekking poles? Ha.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20160426%2Fc5f127dec536431bca67973db8877869.jpg&hash=af161b8d69f3404cd1b2417a1b08d4954975adb4)
Here is Scott and I with 2 full loaded packs...notice we are standing vertical...
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I agree that looks horrible. I have packed out many many animals and never had a pack look anything like that. It's not a problem with a meat shelf that's a problem with the load. When done properly there is nothing that keeps the weight tight and high on my back like a "properly utilized" meat shelf. I'm glad their are options out there for different preferences. ;)
Plus why would you ever carry out a bone in quarter?!!! :bdid: :sry:
Here is a random example of what a normal load looks like.
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Post by: deerslyr on April 26, 2016, 04:15:24 PM
Load shelfs just give you one more option to pack stuff
If you miss use them that's your fault....not the load shelfs
Bingo. If you have an empty pack it makes no difference. If you load the pack that's more room you wouldn't have with out a load shelf, however it wont ride as good, but isn't completely terrible. It is nice to have the option. I had to pack two spike camps,a little bit of meat and a 6 point head while my partner packed out the last third of his bull. I'm glad I had the load shelf for that.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 26, 2016, 04:35:49 PM
since you guys are keeping this thread alive ill chime back in ! i did actually decide to go with kifaru and i went with hunting frame and the DT2 . and got to load it up and take it on a turkey hunt so wasnt loaded up heavy at all just minimal camera gear / tripod / optics / extra jackets maybe 20 lbs if that . and compared to my kuiu it blew it out of the water i didn't even hardly know the pack was on my back. but bag layout in my opinion is doo doo compared to the kuiu . im kind of weird and ocd and like things separated . and i really did like the horseshoe zipper that the kuiu had the kifaru does have the bottom zipper to get stuff out from the bottom rather than digging through all your stuff . but when loading up for long hauls and when you have lots of little items .the pockets on the kuiu were certainly nice to have i had lots of little items i liked to take with me that i cannot find spots for in the kifaru bag . butttttttt its hauling capability is amazing the frame and the way it feels is amazing i just might be looking into another bag with some layout differences . cant wait to get it under serious weight and try it out . and for some reason i keep looking and the new Mystery ranch page to see when the new Marshall will be available :yike: :dunno:Few suggestions I could make would be first off, get a few of Kifaru's pullouts. I have all my items sorted into various sizes. One for a kill kit, one for a firestarter/emergency stuff kit, then one for all the odds and ends you don't use very often like electrical tape, extra batteries, extra light, etc. Those go in the main bag along with my puffy and my sea to summit 65L dry bag. Bag gets compressed down to nothing and I rarely access it on day hunts. Everything I use often, like gps, headlamp, extra gloves, beanie, phone, etc go either in a belt pouch, or in the two main pockets on the bag. Food and often used things go in the top lid. This enables me to have quick access to all of my heavily used items without the need to uncompress my main bag. The pullouts are fantastic for finding and organizing gear as well. I can completely empty my whole pack just by pulling out 3 or 4 pouches. After a kill, I bone out all meat, place in game bags. Game bags go in the S2S dry bag inside my pack. No blood, no mess. My whole camp, a boned out deer and head, and my 85mm razor and tripod, will all fit in my DT1 quite nicely. No need for a load shelf and the awkwardness that comes with them.
In my personal opinion, a bunch of "gimmicky" pockets are just sales fluff and usually shrink the actual holding capacity of the pack.
Folks on here that know me, know that I am a full on gear junkie. If there is something bigger and better out there, I am the first one in line to either get it or really really want it. If there was a better heavy hauling, comfortable and streamlined pack system out there than the Kifaru, I would either have it or be saving for it. There isn't though, at least none that I have laid my hands on :chuckle:
Post by: trophyhunt on April 26, 2016, 04:52:25 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 26, 2016, 05:41:59 PM
Contacted a rep from kuiu a bit ago and asked him about the kuiu frame and why they are not getting a good review on our forum. He said they changed their pack design in the middle of 2014 and haven't heard any complaints since. I also asked what they changed exactly, waiting for his response. I'm hoping their packs can be a top pack someday, absolutely love their clothes.For the money they are a decent option. My big complaint is the waist belt and the cheapness of the zippers. This is a pack that I believe I would wear out in under 5 seasons. Also the load lifters would slip under heavy weight and need constant tightening.
Post by: trophyhunt on April 26, 2016, 05:51:50 PM
Post by: kentrek on April 26, 2016, 06:05:30 PM
Contacted a rep from kuiu a bit ago and asked him about the kuiu frame and why they are not getting a good review on our forum. He said they changed their pack design in the middle of 2014 and haven't heard any complaints since. I also asked what they changed exactly, waiting for his response. I'm hoping their packs can be a top pack someday, absolutely love their clothes.
I've ran the kuiu ultra for the last 2 years and pretty easily have put 200+ days in the field with it, everything from packing bulls to climbing mountains I've done in this pack.....it's a great pack, one the majority of outdoor enthusiasts would get by with nicely but when a offer came up to take it off my hands It was an easy decision
The frame breaking seems to be a mute point in my experience(ten bulls packed) with the new kuiu frame but the hip belt leaves abit to be desired on the heavy loads...it was supposed to be contoured similar to kifarus but that is not the case...also I don't think the foam is holding up that we'll either...I've noticed recently that the foam seems to be less supportive than I remember in the past and that also leads to less comfort on the heavy loads
I'm sure the icon pro would solve some of these issues,I've played with them and used one for a short hike and wish i would have known they were coming out with it at the time I put my preorder in for the ultra
Fast foward to taday and wanting to keep my money local, kifaru was a no brainer...it wasn't that much more then the kuiu,made in America, sold locally, killer hip belt, and probably one of the best reputations for durability out there...it's not much heavier and is as customizable as anything out there
I went with the new 24 inch duplex and the grab it with lash kit to attach which ever sized dry bag I want....so for around 400 bucks you can get into what the majority of people say is the "best" load hauling pack out there
Best thing to do is buy one of the top tier packs and use the heck out of it ! They all should do the job nicely :tup:
Ps. The zippers on the kuiu have held up fine, zero problems there
Post by: 7mag. on April 26, 2016, 07:43:12 PM
I have 2 Kifaru packs and have no complaints. They are a little heavier and don't have all the bells and whistles as the Kuiu, but the comfort, load hauling ability and durability are unmatched. Kifaru is also 100% made in the U.S.
I used to have a Mystery Ranch, and while well made, it was very heavy and the comfort wasn't even close to Kifaru.
I'm basing my comments on my experiences backpacking for multi night hunting and scouting trips. If that's not your intended use, you may not need a high end pack.
Post by: Smossy on April 26, 2016, 09:08:17 PM
Nvm looks like they're both ultra's. Still not sure about the frame though.
Post by: kentrek on April 26, 2016, 09:30:48 PM
The frames are identical
Post by: Smossy on April 26, 2016, 09:43:14 PM
I think the bags say ultra on them...and the hip belt on the ultra doesn't have power pulls..the icon pro has power pullsWhat are the power pulls. The straps you pull out to your sides to tighten the waist?
The frames are identical
Post by: 7mag. on April 26, 2016, 10:19:51 PM
Post by: kentrek on April 26, 2016, 10:21:07 PM
Post by: Smossy on April 26, 2016, 10:35:40 PM
Post by: kentrek on April 26, 2016, 10:48:49 PM
That urban zippy is spendy ! To be honest the more time I've spent in the woods the more I really enjoy having something that can carry a load at all times....you never know when youl find a cool rock or chunk of wood, or maybe your friend rolls an ankle and now you gotta pack there pack too...
I wish It wasn't the case but for me,even in the off season....i love having a frame !
Post by: sirmissalot on April 27, 2016, 08:26:12 AM
Contacted a rep from kuiu a bit ago and asked him about the kuiu frame and why they are not getting a good review on our forum. He said they changed their pack design in the middle of 2014 and haven't heard any complaints since. I also asked what they changed exactly, waiting for his response. I'm hoping their packs can be a top pack someday, absolutely love their clothes.
I've ran the kuiu ultra for the last 2 years and pretty easily have put 200+ days in the field with it, everything from packing bulls to climbing mountains I've done in this pack.....it's a great pack, one the majority of outdoor enthusiasts would get by with nicely but when a offer came up to take it off my hands It was an easy decision
The frame breaking seems to be a mute point in my experience(ten bulls packed) with the new kuiu frame but the hip belt leaves abit to be desired on the heavy loads...it was supposed to be contoured similar to kifarus but that is not the case...also I don't think the foam is holding up that we'll either...I've noticed recently that the foam seems to be less supportive than I remember in the past and that also leads to less comfort on the heavy loads
I'm sure the icon pro would solve some of these issues,I've played with them and used one for a short hike and wish i would have known they were coming out with it at the time I put my preorder in for the ultra
Fast foward to taday and wanting to keep my money local, kifaru was a no brainer...it wasn't that much more then the kuiu,made in America, sold locally, killer hip belt, and probably one of the best reputations for durability out there...it's not much heavier and is as customizable as anything out there
I went with the new 24 inch duplex and the grab it with lash kit to attach which ever sized dry bag I want....so for around 400 bucks you can get into what the majority of people say is the "best" load hauling pack out there
Best thing to do is buy one of the top tier packs and use the heck out of it ! They all should do the job nicely :tup:
Ps. The zippers on the kuiu have held up fine, zero problems there
I think thats probably one of the best non biased opinions I've read about the Kuiu. There are so many gear junkies on internet forums you never know who to believe. They switch from one thing, to the next and to the next after that. I think a major problem is kuiu got a bad rep when they had failures with their frames and its just stuck with them. I bought a Kuiu icon pro 5200 after someone on this forum talked me into it (he sold his and was pushing Kifaru two weeks later) for a pretty good deal, I later bought a used 3000 ultra bag and really liked the size and simplicity of it so I was mainly running the 3000 ultra on the icon pro frame, which I had great luck with. Hauled a few animals with it and had many backpacking trips with nothing to complain about. My girlfriend ended up needing to upgrade her pack so I gave her mine and bought a stone glacier sky 5100. She packed her elk out with the kuiu last year and still has it, but after a few drinks at the sheep show I bid on another stone glacier pack (the pack full of booze got me :chuckle:), which I won and gave to her so now shes running the solo, but otherwise she would still be running that 3,000 without worry. My opinion is a lot of guys buy them, get more into the backcountry thing and worry about failure so they sell the Kuiu and upgrade to the pack everyone on the internet is talking about and pushing at the time. Kuiu isn't the best, or toughest pack out there but I think for most they will work just fine.
That said I love my Sky 5100, last year was my first year with it and it earned its keep in camp hauling several animals, never once did I have to bend over to walk with a full load strapped on either
Post by: trophyhunt on April 27, 2016, 08:34:01 AM
Contacted a rep from kuiu a bit ago and asked him about the kuiu frame and why they are not getting a good review on our forum. He said they changed their pack design in the middle of 2014 and haven't heard any complaints since. I also asked what they changed exactly, waiting for his response. I'm hoping their packs can be a top pack someday, absolutely love their clothes.Thanks, that sky 7,200 is very hard to pass up. It's extremely hard to look past the fact that the kuiu is 300 dollars cheaper!! Haven't decided yet but hope to soon.
I've ran the kuiu ultra for the last 2 years and pretty easily have put 200+ days in the field with it, everything from packing bulls to climbing mountains I've done in this pack.....it's a great pack, one the majority of outdoor enthusiasts would get by with nicely but when a offer came up to take it off my hands It was an easy decision
The frame breaking seems to be a mute point in my experience(ten bulls packed) with the new kuiu frame but the hip belt leaves abit to be desired on the heavy loads...it was supposed to be contoured similar to kifarus but that is not the case...also I don't think the foam is holding up that we'll either...I've noticed recently that the foam seems to be less supportive than I remember in the past and that also leads to less comfort on the heavy loads
I'm sure the icon pro would solve some of these issues,I've played with them and used one for a short hike and wish i would have known they were coming out with it at the time I put my preorder in for the ultra
Fast foward to taday and wanting to keep my money local, kifaru was a no brainer...it wasn't that much more then the kuiu,made in America, sold locally, killer hip belt, and probably one of the best reputations for durability out there...it's not much heavier and is as customizable as anything out there
I went with the new 24 inch duplex and the grab it with lash kit to attach which ever sized dry bag I want....so for around 400 bucks you can get into what the majority of people say is the "best" load hauling pack out there
Best thing to do is buy one of the top tier packs and use the heck out of it ! They all should do the job nicely :tup:
Ps. The zippers on the kuiu have held up fine, zero problems there
I think thats probably one of the best non biased opinions I've read about the Kuiu. There are so many gear junkies on internet forums you never know who to believe. They switch from one thing, to the next and to the next after that. I think a major problem is kuiu got a bad rep when they had failures with their frames and its just stuck with them. I bought a Kuiu icon pro 5200 after someone on this forum talked me into it (he sold his and was pushing Kifaru two weeks later) for a pretty good deal, I later bought a used 3000 ultra bag and really liked the size and simplicity of it so I was mainly running the 3000 ultra on the icon pro frame, which I had great luck with. Hauled a few animals with it and had many backpacking trips with nothing to complain about. My girlfriend ended up needing to upgrade her pack so I gave her mine and bought a stone glacier sky 5100. She packed her elk out with the kuiu last year and still has it, but after a few drinks at the sheep show I bid on another stone glacier pack (the pack full of booze got me :chuckle:), which I won and gave to her so now shes running the solo, but otherwise she would still be running that 3,000 without worry. My opinion is a lot of guys buy them, get more into the backcountry thing and worry about failure so they sell the Kuiu and upgrade to the pack everyone on the internet is talking about and pushing at the time. Kuiu isn't the best, or toughest pack out there but I think for most they will work just fine.
That said I love my Sky 5100, last year was my first year with it and it earned its keep in camp hauling several animals, never once did I have to bend over to walk with a full load strapped on either
Post by: bearpaw on April 27, 2016, 09:00:51 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on April 27, 2016, 09:28:06 AM
How does badlands packs fit into this discussion? Never owned one, are they a lesser product?i have a badlands 4,500 pack now, it is a work horse. One big compartment with a spotter pocket and a few smaller pockets. It's pretty comfortable with a heavy load, I had 139 lbs in it on a 2.5 mile hike out. Pretty good packs, I'm going to sell mine soon.
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on April 27, 2016, 09:30:26 AM
How does badlands packs fit into this discussion? Never owned one, are they a lesser product?
In short, yes.
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Post by: trophyhunt on April 27, 2016, 10:16:14 AM
Post by: Odell on April 27, 2016, 10:17:48 AM
How does badlands packs fit into this discussion? Never owned one, are they a lesser product?
Essentially like a price point pack that got in Cabelas and other big box stores so it gained a good part of the market share. Better than the cheap stuff, not as good as the high end stuff. I put 100lbs of elk in my 4500 and it handled it well, very comfortable actually. Ive had one zipper fail but its on a side pocket so small that I don't use it.
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Post by: trophyhunt on April 27, 2016, 02:37:41 PM
Post by: Smossy on April 27, 2016, 02:40:35 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on April 27, 2016, 02:47:05 PM
Yup ok so I have the old frame and ultra packs. Never once been used. What do you think resale value is?after this thread, 20.00!! 😎. Of course I'm kidding! Still a good pack for sure, if it breaks kuiu will repair or replace it I would imagine. I'm going to sell my badlands 4500 for 150.00. I would imagine yours will be worth a bit more than mine??
Post by: Dhoey07 on April 27, 2016, 02:48:12 PM
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Post by: trophyhunt on April 27, 2016, 03:50:46 PM
You take a look at the SEKK OUTSIDE packs too!pleeeese no more options!!! :chuckle: :chuckle: :tup:
Post by: kentrek on April 27, 2016, 04:06:07 PM
Yup ok so I have the old frame and ultra packs. Never once been used. What do you think resale value is?
I sold my ultra 1800 for 150 if that helps
Post by: fisheral87 on April 27, 2016, 04:19:13 PM
Al
Post by: buglebrush on April 27, 2016, 04:51:46 PM
How does badlands packs fit into this discussion? Never owned one, are they a lesser product?
Yes, but some of the models are good for the money. Their warranty is literally the best in the business too. I have hauled a bloddy lot of elk in my 2200 :IBCOOL:
Post by: blackhorn on April 27, 2016, 05:34:01 PM
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Post by: hirshey on April 27, 2016, 05:57:35 PM
Icon pro 7,200???(https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/12493731_10104779058265828_1303097299402330149_o.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9)
Had an old 6000 Kuiu will let you know how the 7200 feels this fall. :)
Post by: trophyhunt on April 27, 2016, 06:00:40 PM
sweet!Icon pro 7,200???(https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/12493731_10104779058265828_1303097299402330149_o.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9)
Had an old 6000 Kuiu will let you know how the 7200 feels this fall. :)
Post by: hirshey on April 27, 2016, 06:03:48 PM
Post by: kentrek on April 27, 2016, 06:06:46 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 27, 2016, 06:39:15 PM
The best warranty is the one you never have to use :chuckle:How does badlands packs fit into this discussion? Never owned one, are they a lesser product?
Yes, but some of the models are good for the money. Their warranty is literally the best in the business too. I have hauled a bloddy lot of elk in my 2200 :IBCOOL:
Post by: Reidus on April 27, 2016, 07:12:03 PM
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The best warranty is the one you never have to use :chuckle:
:yeah:
It's such a pia sending stuff in for warranty.
Post by: 7mag. on April 27, 2016, 07:13:03 PM
The best warranty is the one you never have to use :chuckle:How does badlands packs fit into this discussion? Never owned one, are they a lesser product?
Yes, but some of the models are good for the money. Their warranty is literally the best in the business too. I have hauled a bloddy lot of elk in my 2200 :IBCOOL:
That warranty does you no good when you're 6 miles from the truck with a 100# load and a broken pack. Don't get me wrong, I insist on a good warranty, I just don't ever want to use it.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 27, 2016, 07:22:32 PM
sweet!Icon pro 7,200???(https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/12493731_10104779058265828_1303097299402330149_o.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9)
Had an old 6000 Kuiu will let you know how the 7200 feels this fall. :)
load lifters are kinda funky in this pic . heh Really like my kuiu. Hauled a couple moose, deer, and elk with it without a problem. If packing a camp on my back kifaru is a no-brainer but for a day pack kuiu is great.
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on April 27, 2016, 07:59:22 PM
sweet!Icon pro 7,200???(https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/12493731_10104779058265828_1303097299402330149_o.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9)
Had an old 6000 Kuiu will let you know how the 7200 feels this fall. :)
load lifters are kinda funky in this pic . heh Really like my kuiu. Hauled a couple moose, deer, and elk with it without a problem. If packing a camp on my back kifaru is a no-brainer but for a day pack kuiu is great.
Yup, loosen the lifters and tighten shoulder straps!
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Post by: buglebrush on April 27, 2016, 09:39:38 PM
The best warranty is the one you never have to use :chuckle:How does badlands packs fit into this discussion? Never owned one, are they a lesser product?
Yes, but some of the models are good for the money. Their warranty is literally the best in the business too. I have hauled a bloddy lot of elk in my 2200 :IBCOOL:
This is true. Thankfully I never had an issue with my Badlands. Was really nostalgic about selling that thing :)
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 27, 2016, 10:23:27 PM
If I remember correctly this was a post "just got my pack back" selfie. Pretty sure she just took it out of the box and threw it on to take the pic. I'm betting she knows how to adjust a pack. Of course she does openly embrace kuiu packs so it leaves people to wonder :peep: :chuckle:sweet!Icon pro 7,200???(https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/12493731_10104779058265828_1303097299402330149_o.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9)
Had an old 6000 Kuiu will let you know how the 7200 feels this fall. :)
load lifters are kinda funky in this pic . heh Really like my kuiu. Hauled a couple moose, deer, and elk with it without a problem. If packing a camp on my back kifaru is a no-brainer but for a day pack kuiu is great.
Yup, loosen the lifters and tighten shoulder straps!
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Post by: hirshey on April 28, 2016, 06:46:53 PM
:chuckle: :chuckle:If I remember correctly this was a post "just got my pack back" selfie. Pretty sure she just took it out of the box and threw it on to take the pic. I'm betting she knows how to adjust a pack. Of course she does openly embrace kuiu packs so it leaves people to wonder :peep: :chuckle:sweet!Icon pro 7,200???(https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/12493731_10104779058265828_1303097299402330149_o.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9)
Had an old 6000 Kuiu will let you know how the 7200 feels this fall. :)
load lifters are kinda funky in this pic . heh Really like my kuiu. Hauled a couple moose, deer, and elk with it without a problem. If packing a camp on my back kifaru is a no-brainer but for a day pack kuiu is great.
Yup, loosen the lifters and tighten shoulder straps!
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You'd be right. Straight out of the box in that photo.
If you had narrow shoulders like me you'd appreciate the Kuiu packs too. I don't have to hold the shoulder straps in on heavy loads like all other packs I've tried. That being said, Kifaru and I are only familiar when it comes to tents.
Post by: trophyhunt on April 28, 2016, 06:52:10 PM
Post by: HawkCreek on April 29, 2016, 06:53:37 AM
https://www.hillpeoplegear.com/Products/tabid/762/CategoryID/3/ProductID/66/Default.aspx
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 29, 2016, 07:02:37 AM
Tents are great, packs are even better! Come towards the light! All the cool kids are doing it :chuckle::chuckle: :chuckle:If I remember correctly this was a post "just got my pack back" selfie. Pretty sure she just took it out of the box and threw it on to take the pic. I'm betting she knows how to adjust a pack. Of course she does openly embrace kuiu packs so it leaves people to wonder :peep: :chuckle:sweet!Icon pro 7,200???(https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/12493731_10104779058265828_1303097299402330149_o.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9)
Had an old 6000 Kuiu will let you know how the 7200 feels this fall. :)
load lifters are kinda funky in this pic . heh Really like my kuiu. Hauled a couple moose, deer, and elk with it without a problem. If packing a camp on my back kifaru is a no-brainer but for a day pack kuiu is great.
Yup, loosen the lifters and tighten shoulder straps!
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You'd be right. Straight out of the box in that photo.
If you had narrow shoulders like me you'd appreciate the Kuiu packs too. I don't have to hold the shoulder straps in on heavy loads like all other packs I've tried. That being said, Kifaru and I are only familiar when it comes to tents.
Post by: scottcrb on April 29, 2016, 08:48:20 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on April 29, 2016, 08:56:55 AM
Well for someone who is in the market for a new pack this thread has been wonderful. I was already leaning toward kifaru but at close to $800 for a frame and bag needed more convincing. I will have to get in touch with corey at XXX and see what he can do fitment wise. I hear Aron at kifaru is pretty helpful too and good about responding. Really like that multicam camo too.its tough not getting the kifaru but I have 1,000 to spend and I also want a new rino 650, it's 400. So I can get a Stone Glacier or kuiu AND get my gps. Im not needing the best pack for what I do, but the SG or kuiu will do just fine and a bit cheaper.
Post by: couesbitten on April 29, 2016, 09:49:02 AM
Post by: Whitpirate on April 29, 2016, 10:02:28 AM
If I remember correctly this was a post "just got my pack back" selfie. Pretty sure she just took it out of the box and threw it on to take the pic. I'm betting she knows how to adjust a pack. Of course she does openly embrace kuiu packs so it leaves people to wonder :peep: :chuckle:sweet!Icon pro 7,200???(https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/12493731_10104779058265828_1303097299402330149_o.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9)
Had an old 6000 Kuiu will let you know how the 7200 feels this fall. :)
load lifters are kinda funky in this pic . heh Really like my kuiu. Hauled a couple moose, deer, and elk with it without a problem. If packing a camp on my back kifaru is a no-brainer but for a day pack kuiu is great.
Yup, loosen the lifters and tighten shoulder straps!
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Says the guy that made us buy Coach an Icon Pro.... just sayin'.....
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 29, 2016, 10:24:56 AM
Camofire has been having the mystery ranch marshal at 359. That is probably the best bang for the buck in new packs right now.Well for someone who is in the market for a new pack this thread has been wonderful. I was already leaning toward kifaru but at close to $800 for a frame and bag needed more convincing. I will have to get in touch with corey at XXX and see what he can do fitment wise. I hear Aron at kifaru is pretty helpful too and good about responding. Really like that multicam camo too.its tough not getting the kifaru but I have 1,000 to spend and I also want a new rino 650, it's 400. So I can get a Stone Glacier or kuiu AND get my gps. Im not needing the best pack for what I do, but the SG or kuiu will do just fine and a bit cheaper.
Post by: whacker1 on April 29, 2016, 12:03:09 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 29, 2016, 12:50:42 PM
[/quote]Says the guy that made us buy Coach an Icon Pro.... just sayin'.....
[/quote] I didn't make anyone buy anything. We wanted to do something for him and that's what the budget allowed. For the price tag they are a good pack but not on the same level as the big 3.
Post by: trophyhunt on April 30, 2016, 10:51:21 AM
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on April 30, 2016, 11:03:57 AM
Any kifaru dealers in the Bonney lake/Puyallup areas?
xXx Archery down by Longview(He is on the Oregon side) carries Kifarus in stock. I think that's it. Though there's a ton of guys in the area that have Kifarus...contact FillTheFreezer, he's in Puyallup. He has a few frames and a few bags he'd let you play with I'm sure!
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Post by: trophyhunt on April 30, 2016, 11:35:31 AM
thanks, I sent a pm. Wish the store was closer but no biggie. I just have to try a kifaru on before I make up my mind, they sure have quite the reputation for being the best.Any kifaru dealers in the Bonney lake/Puyallup areas?
xXx Archery down by Longview(He is on the Oregon side) carries Kifarus in stock. I think that's it. Though there's a ton of guys in the area that have Kifarus...contact FillTheFreezer, he's in Puyallup. He has a few frames and a few bags he'd let you play with I'm sure!
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Post by: 7mag. on April 30, 2016, 10:46:05 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on May 01, 2016, 08:08:38 AM
I'm in Buckley and have two Kifarus you can try on.thanks, tried on duckslayers pack yesterday and really liked it. Questions for you pack pros! What is the big difference between the Hunter frame and the ultralight frame? The ultralight is cheaper. Also, the dt1 bag compared to the AMR bag??? Thanks
Post by: kentrek on May 01, 2016, 08:23:40 AM
Pluss it's not much of a weight savings
No comment on the bags :chuckle:
Post by: trophyhunt on May 01, 2016, 08:40:10 AM
Personally, and I could be wrong....but i thought the ultra light was to flimsy....the dang thing bends backwards! Granted it would never be a issue 90% of the time...i just prefer a stiffer framethats kinda what I was thinking, figure less weight would equal less carrying capacity. What's your favorite bag??
Pluss it's not much of a weight savings
No comment on the bags :chuckle:
Post by: 7mag. on May 01, 2016, 09:05:01 AM
The difference between the DT1 and the AMR is size and the DT1 has pockets on the sides, where the AMR doesn't. The AMR is larger and so are the 2 pockets the front. They both compress down flat, and are great packs.
Post by: kentrek on May 01, 2016, 09:24:07 AM
Personally, and I could be wrong....but i thought the ultra light was to flimsy....the dang thing bends backwards! Granted it would never be a issue 90% of the time...i just prefer a stiffer framethats kinda what I was thinking, figure less weight would equal less carrying capacity. What's your favorite bag??
Pluss it's not much of a weight savings
No comment on the bags :chuckle:
I'm kind of obsessed with things being water proof and simple so beings the zippers arnt waterproof zippers on the bags that kinda leaves them out....the camp bag looks cool and I will prolly buy it but when I called and talked to kifaru they said I should prolly stick with a normal dry bag for packrafting...but when the only thing in the forcast is rain that camp bag would be nice ! Sunny summer trips I could see running the tahr since it has the load shelf built into it, doesn't need a lid, and can attach the spotter pocket on the back
Just my thoughts....i have about 600 different ideas in my head for what the perfect pack arrangement will be so I'm going to play around a bit
Post by: Duckslayer89 on May 01, 2016, 09:46:51 AM
I'm in Buckley and have two Kifarus you can try on.thanks, tried on duckslayers pack yesterday and really liked it. Questions for you pack pros! What is the big difference between the Hunter frame and the ultralight frame? The ultralight is cheaper. Also, the dt1 bag compared to the AMR bag??? Thanks
I was looking at the ultralight but the weight savings just weren't enough for me to go for it and I knew the hunting frame would be best for heavy loads. I'll look up the numbers
Ok ultralight: 2lbs 12ounces
Hunter frame: 3lbs 5 ounces.
So it's only 9 ounces heavier, and if you look at the pictures of the ultralight frame, it's really flat almost like a board. Where the hunter frame has a nice contour and IMO would pack a load way nicer and more comfortably. But I've never tried the ultralight so I can't say for sure. Arrows bend. The composite stays are a lot more rigid.
Post by: trophyhunt on May 01, 2016, 10:00:51 AM
Post by: MountainWalk on May 01, 2016, 10:05:15 AM
Post by: Duckslayer89 on May 01, 2016, 10:15:44 AM
You guys know your stuff, thanks a bunch.
Guy asked the same question on the Kifaru website about the straight stays on ultralight vs the curves ones. Here's what Kifaru said
2016 – Between this ultralight frame and the hunting duplex, does the curvature of the duplex vs the straight stays of the ultralight . . .
Response From Kifaru Intl.: Hi Gregory,
Yes, the curved stays of the hunting frame are more comfortable under heavier loads.
Post by: trophyhunt on May 01, 2016, 10:20:44 AM
nice, thanks.You guys know your stuff, thanks a bunch.
Guy asked the same question on the Kifaru website about the straight stays on ultralight vs the curves ones. Here's what Kifaru said
2016 – Between this ultralight frame and the hunting duplex, does the curvature of the duplex vs the straight stays of the ultralight . . .
Response From Kifaru Intl.: Hi Gregory,
Yes, the curved stays of the hunting frame are more comfortable under heavier loads.
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on May 01, 2016, 03:50:35 PM
I took the new Duplex with 100 lbs of sand on a 4.4 mile hike and that frame just rocks.
Don't get me wrong I liked my bikini a ton! They just did a phenomenal job on improving on a great design.
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Post by: trophyhunt on May 02, 2016, 08:36:29 PM
Post by: Duckslayer89 on May 02, 2016, 08:42:33 PM
So, it's been great meeting some of you guys and trying different packs on. The info on this thread has been very helpful, thanks! I talked to a rep today and they offered me a great deal on their pack. I beat myself up over this decision for too long and considering three main things I bought my pack today. First money, this pack was much more affordable, I don't spend much time overnight hunting in the backcountry and most importantly, they improved and re-designed their frame. I ended up with the kuiu icon pro 7200 with all the bells and whistles. I think this pack will be perfect for my needs. The savings will enough to buy the rino 650 gps! Thanks again for the help!
Congrats man! I'm sure it will be great and work well for you. Leave a little review when it comes in.
Post by: 7mag. on May 02, 2016, 09:26:09 PM
So, it's been great meeting some of you guys and trying different packs on. The info on this thread has been very helpful, thanks! I talked to a rep today and they offered me a great deal on their pack. I beat myself up over this decision for too long and considering three main things I bought my pack today. First money, this pack was much more affordable, I don't spend much time overnight hunting in the backcountry and most importantly, they improved and re-designed their frame. I ended up with the kuiu icon pro 7200 with all the bells and whistles. I think this pack will be perfect for my needs. The savings will enough to buy the rino 650 gps! Thanks again for the help!
Good for you, I think you'll be happy with it. In my opinion, that's the best pack Kuiu makes.
Post by: hirshey on May 02, 2016, 09:39:44 PM
Glad you ended up with a good deal!!
Post by: trophyhunt on May 03, 2016, 05:34:02 AM
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on May 03, 2016, 06:00:08 AM
Thanks, can't wait to use it!
I think you'll be happy with that pack! Congrats, and good job on the research!
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Post by: trophyhunt on May 03, 2016, 06:01:46 AM
:tup:Thanks, can't wait to use it!
I think you'll be happy with that pack! Congrats, and good job on the research!
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Post by: Magnum_Willys on May 03, 2016, 06:31:30 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on May 03, 2016, 06:41:57 AM
Keep your eyes open for a sale on the xxl kuiu meat bags and when on sale the 3000 bag is a handy addition as a daypack for about $65. Throw in a kuiu branded platypus bladder while you're ordering.I will do, I did buy the platypus bladder with the pack it should be here Friday!!!
Post by: scottcrb on May 03, 2016, 09:38:27 AM
Post by: sirmissalot on May 11, 2016, 01:39:35 PM
I think you'll be pleased with that pack trophyhunt, I'll be interested to read your review after this hunting season.
Post by: trophyhunt on May 11, 2016, 01:59:01 PM
The load shelf's first use of the year. :chuckle:BAD az, love it! Great beat! Get some orange on that bad boy! Congrats and yes, I can't wait to test it out.
I think you'll be pleased with that pack trophyhunt, I'll be interested to read your review after this hunting season.
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on May 11, 2016, 02:12:41 PM
The load shelf's first use of the year. :chuckle:
I think you'll be pleased with that pack trophyhunt, I'll be interested to read your review after this hunting season.
Dang hitchhikers :chuckle: