Post by: Ridgeratt on February 24, 2016, 07:47:06 PM
http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/outdoors/2016/feb/24/pike-gillnetting-survey-indicates-start-lake-roosevelt/
Post by: bowhunterforever on February 24, 2016, 07:59:15 PM
Post by: Ridgeratt on February 24, 2016, 08:05:36 PM
I would hate to see these fresh water wolves show up in the fishery but they are there. I guess since they aren't classified as a game fish in Washington and there are no catch limits perhaps this spring I need to target them.
Post by: Ridgeratt on February 27, 2016, 07:00:10 PM
Post by: YJ Guide Service on February 27, 2016, 07:25:06 PM
Post by: Ridgeratt on February 27, 2016, 07:29:30 PM
The Spokane Tribe is being funded by the Northwest Power and Conservation Council for sample gillnetting on pike in the Columbia River near Kettle Falls. The invasive predators have shown up in increasing numbers in the past three years.
Post by: TommyH on February 28, 2016, 08:51:44 AM
http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/spincontrol/2016/feb/02/lawmakers-urged-help-bring-salmon-back-upper-columbia/
Post by: Ridgeratt on February 28, 2016, 09:29:51 AM
if the Spokane Tribe is successful on this there could be a chance of a fish ladder over little Falls as well. Putting Salmon right in downtown Spokane.
Another change perhaps:
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2016/feb/24/landers-doubling-roosevelt-trout-limit-could-prese/
Post by: Ridgeratt on February 28, 2016, 10:00:57 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/14/us/us-to-pay-1-billion-settlement-to-indian-tribes.html?_r=0
Post by: Wacenturion on February 29, 2016, 08:43:39 AM
Post by: Russ McDonald on February 29, 2016, 08:49:32 AM
Interestingly, when I lived in Ephrata back in the early 70's they were talking the same way about Walleye in Lake Roosevelt. Probably not going to be able to eliminate the pike as well.I am positive you will not eliminate pike. I know of a lake in California. Game department poisoned the lake twice and they are still there. If I lived up there I would be out trying for them all the time. Fun fish to catch and good to eat too.
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on February 29, 2016, 01:08:15 PM
Wonder how many of other kinds of fish there getting in there netsThe bycatch is probably pretty small. They know what to look for for pike spawning habitat.
Post by: bowhunterforever on February 29, 2016, 03:43:29 PM
One of my friends works for the colville tribe fisheries and she said the by catch was small and most of the pike netted had walleyes and bass in themWonder how many of other kinds of fish there getting in there netsThe bycatch is probably pretty small. They know what to look for for pike spawning habitat.
Post by: YJ Guide Service on February 29, 2016, 05:44:40 PM
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on February 29, 2016, 07:28:01 PM
The by catch was not small at all on the PO River. There were tons of Largemouth bass and other fish caught in those nets. They killed a lot of 5lb and bigger bass. The same will result on Lake Roosevelt when they start doing it full time.
:yeah:
Post by: Ridgeratt on February 29, 2016, 08:31:19 PM
Article from last year:
http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/outdoors/2015/nov/17/northern-pike-control-columbia-likely-be-stepped/
Post by: TommyH on February 29, 2016, 10:35:38 PM
The by catch was not small at all on the PO River. There were tons of Largemouth bass and other fish caught in those nets. They killed a lot of 5lb and bigger bass. The same will result on Lake Roosevelt when they start doing it full time.
:yeah:
Craig, you had or have a fishing guide service on the p.o. So I can see your objections the cull/reduction of a species that was making you money. I personally enjoyed fishing for pike in the p.o. They are great table fair and fun to target. I wish I would have learned about it sooner and got to fish it more before the attempted removal/controll of the pike in the pend oreille. I would of liked to fish it more. So don't get me wrong I was Sad to see a good fishery removed. But stoping/controlling this species advance threw the river system is important and is huge in the possible reintroduction of native species that should be here.
So, Which species are you worried about in the nets? Bass? Wallygaters? Sturgeon? Planted rainbows? Predator species limits have increased recently in Roosevelt and possibly more liberal limits to come. I believe they know/should know areas that pike will use to spawn. So I don't think sturgeon or species of real concern will be affected.
Post by: KFhunter on February 29, 2016, 10:48:15 PM
Gill nets don't miss and when the Kalispells set nets they caught a ton of bass as well on the Pend Oreille. They normally set the net's in the shallows were the fish have gone to spawn, But since they are dropping Roosevelt like a rock. I wonder where they are setting nets myself.
I would hate to see these fresh water wolves show up in the fishery but they are there. I guess since they aren't classified as a game fish in Washington and there are no catch limits perhaps this spring I need to target them.
I might have to break out my favorite lure for pike, betcha can't guess what it is :chuckle:
Post by: KFhunter on February 29, 2016, 10:50:38 PM
Post by: Roosevelt walleye on March 01, 2016, 05:56:11 AM
I think it is funny that so many think we can change the habitat in an area so drastically and keep the native species at the same levels. I have been an avid outdoorsmen in Stevens an Ferry Counties for 30 years and at one time a moose and turkeys were a rare sight, now I expect to see both on any given hike.
I am not a biologist but I would have to guess that the moose numbers have shot through the roof due to logging and changing the habitat in much of the area.
Post by: KFhunter on March 01, 2016, 08:54:57 AM
What are the Native fish in Roosevelt? It is not a free flowing river like it was at one time but is now a lake so the fish that will thrive in the new habitat will change over time.
I think it is funny that so many think we can change the habitat in an area so drastically and keep the native species at the same levels. I have been an avid outdoorsmen in Stevens an Ferry Counties for 30 years and at one time a moose and turkeys were a rare sight, now I expect to see both on any given hike.
I am not a biologist but I would have to guess that the moose numbers have shot through the roof due to logging and changing the habitat in much of the area.
The moose numbers are being rectified, pretty soon expect to see wolves on any given hike.
http://ecology.pnnl.gov/Fishes_Columbia_River.asp
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on March 01, 2016, 10:47:51 AM
source?The by catch was not small at all on the PO River. There were tons of Largemouth bass and other fish caught in those nets. They killed a lot of 5lb and bigger bass. The same will result on Lake Roosevelt when they start doing it full time.
:yeah:
Post by: YJ Guide Service on March 01, 2016, 12:23:31 PM
Post by: Russ McDonald on March 01, 2016, 12:33:25 PM
Actually I'm over the removal on the PO river and not really worried either way on the by catch on Lake Roosevelt. I was more wondering what species they consider ok to remove with the Pike. I don't want them in the Columbia system at all either. We don't guide for them anymore, just muskie. The source on the by catch of largemouth is myself. I guided up there on a daily basis and watched them remove so many big bass I couldn't even count from the "Pike only gill nets" I can only imagine how many others were removed that we dont see. I am all for keeping them from making it to the Okanagan river which is a perfect habitat for them. I fish Pike now where they embrace and love the Pike (Canada). The weird thing is you catch 30 plus inch walleye and 40 inch plus inch Pike on a regular and daily basis plus other species and they all live together, weird LOL. If anyone thinks the Pike will be controlled in a body of water as big as the Columbia river you will be sadly disappointed. They haven't been able to control them in the PO river or they wouldn't be down this far already. Don't get me wrong this whole thing is very troubling and I fear there will be nothing the state or tribe will be able to do to control this situation. Until its proven they will decimate a certain species in the Columbia we are jumping the gun. I'm sure there is a body of water comparable to the Columbia somewhere where they have dealt with this situation and we need to follow their lead.:yeah: This has come up some many times of the years. I grew up in Minnesota. There is Salmon in the great lakes we also have land locked salmon too, trout too, along with walleye, pike musky, perch almost anything you can imagine and they all live together. In the 5 years that I have lived here the pike has been there same with walleye. The ecosystem will balance it self out. Plus that are mean suckers sometimes. https://www.facebook.com/606522146040659/videos/1314758595217007/ (https://www.facebook.com/606522146040659/videos/1314758595217007/)
Post by: Huntin Hounds on March 01, 2016, 02:30:00 PM
Lets look at wolves as an example in Yellowstone. Wolves did exist there but were killed off because of competition and lack of social acceptance. Elk herds were rebuilt and those elk basically lived generations without a predator like wolves. They did have other predators cats and bears, but none that could reduce a population like wolves(pike). When the wolves were brought back in the elk had to learn how to coexist with them again after decades of evolving without them. It took years for the elk to learn new habits of evading and living with this new to them predator. The wolves did not kill off all the elk but they do keep the elk pop at lower densities than it would be without them.
Its not a perfect analogy but I think you get what I am saying. While wolves were actually a native animal to the region pike are not and they have no business being in Washington waters. On a side note though if we decide we need to have pike then I say we get some snakeheads too cause I hear they taste great and are a blast to catch. ;)
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on March 01, 2016, 02:50:24 PM
The Columbia salmon runs are just too valuable to mess around with a non native predator
Post by: YJ Guide Service on March 01, 2016, 03:21:54 PM
Post by: Huntin Hounds on March 01, 2016, 03:48:03 PM
http://www.in-fisherman.com/pike-muskie/northern-pike/great-lakes-pike/
Post by: Roosevelt walleye on March 01, 2016, 05:07:32 PM
Post by: MooseZ25 on March 02, 2016, 06:46:36 AM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on March 02, 2016, 06:56:33 AM
Here's a god read on pike from the great lakes. It sounds like they utilize lots of different habitat so could be difficult to know how they will do in Roosevelt. Maybe they didn't get many trout from those 755 cause there weren't many left. :chuckle:That's actually accurate. The stomach contents showed a proportionate number of trout in the guts of pike... there are just SO many spiny rays in the system the pike eat lot of them.
http://www.in-fisherman.com/pike-muskie/northern-pike/great-lakes-pike/