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Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: scottcrb on March 05, 2016, 10:49:00 AM
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So I have never owned or built an AR before. My dad came to me the other day and said we should start piecing together stuff to build an AR . I have read a lot on here and other sites and decided on the 6.5 platform. Uses will be fun plinking ,varmint hunting and possibly deer. Not worried about finish now as I will prob have it coated down the line. Would like a light weight rifle as opposed to a tactical AR. No idea where to start. Have heard 18" 1:8 barrel is way to go. Not rushed to get it done and want to take time building with dad so don't need complete guns. Thanks for info and help in advance.
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there are a ton of helpful threads on the site if you do a search. Good luck I am still waiting to have extra funds to do a grendel build :tup:
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Yeah I've read a bunch. I know things in the AR world change pretty regularly and new companies come out with new items and others fall off. Just want to see what the best current options are. Mainly brands and best options for the 6.5.
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My two boys and I are getting ready to start 3 AR builds, probably all three will be Grendel's. Mine will probably be a 24" not sure what the boys want to do. Lots of options to choose. Only thing i know for sure so far is the stripped lowers(cause I've already bought them) The hand guard and stock. Other than that, I've no choices. Every time I think I got it, I see something different. More than likely all the barrels will come from BHW, but who knows for sure.
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What lowers, stocks and fore grips are you using ?
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I'd also check out 65grendel.com it has way more info and it's dedicated to the 6.5 grendel obviously. I'd guess all of your questions could be answered there. It's been very helpful to me along with some of the people on this site in building an AR and now a bolt gun in 6.5 Grendel.
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I have two Anderson Lowers and one SAA lower that will be used. Will probably get a stripped SAA upper for my build. The handguard will be a 15" from Trinity Force and the but stock will be a LUTH-AR MBA-1 And I know I will do a self cerekote cammo job something like the pic below
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I like the adjustability on the stock. Is the cerakote camo easy to do? Nice clean lightweight looking hand guard .
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I find it easy to do, but very time consuming because you have to let each application dry. The NEF in the pic took me a couple days, but it's not cerekote, just paint.
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Have you looked at building it in 6.5 creedmore?
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Creedmore would have to be built on an AR-10 platform, not AR-15
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That was one question that came up. Is 6.5 grendel an ar-15 platform?or ar -10 ?
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That was one question that came up. Is 6.5 grendel an ar-15 platform?or ar -10 ?
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Put this together a couple years ago. 18" barrel 1/8. Total weight 7lbs 14oz (unloaded). The barrel is from AA the founder of Grendel. I love this rifle sub moa and you can shoot it all day with out recoil fatigue. As for BHW barrels make sure you get the SAMMI Grendel. Lots of great barrel makers just make sure who ever you go through are SAMMI SPECS and MATCHING BOLT. Have a fun build and don't forget the pics when done ;)
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Great choice, awesome round!
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Where do you guys usually find your parts? Brownells,midway? Or more from specific companies sites? Any tools or building kits I should get first?
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Tagging along. I want to build one with my son, someday.
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Where do you guys usually find your parts? Brownells,midway? Or more from specific companies sites? Any tools or building kits I should get first?
As far as parts go, you can find them all over the internet. Even Ebay and Amazon have some stuff. Shop around and figure out what you want and then shop for the best price online. An AR-15 armorers wrench will be useful and probably a vise block for the upper receiver to attach the barrel.
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I'm building my first as well. Been getting most my parts from palmetto state armory
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Cool I'll start looking into those . Thanks guys .
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Where do you guys usually find your parts? Brownells,midway? Or more from specific companies sites? Any tools or building kits I should get first?
When I had trouble finding a few of the parts for my build, I came across this site. It's a pretty awesome resource. http://arpartsfinder.com/
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Where do you guys usually find your parts? Brownells,midway? Or more from specific companies sites? Any tools or building kits I should get first?
When I had trouble finding a few of the parts for my build, I came across this site. It's a pretty awesome resource. http://arpartsfinder.com/
Oh nice. Thanks.
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If you have time to drive down to Tacoma, Surplus Arms and Ammo has everything you need to put one together. Their parent company Aero Precision makes the SAA uppers and lowers here in town. I have an 18 "BHW and the accuracy is impressive; it loves factory 123 grain Hornady sst's. I have a hard time doing any better with my hand loads.
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If you have time to drive down to Tacoma, Surplus Arms and Ammo has everything you need to put one together. Their parent company Aero Precision makes the SAA uppers and lowers here in town. I have an 18 "BHW and the accuracy is impressive; it loves factory 123 grain Hornady sst's. I have a hard time doing any better with my hand loads.
Thanks doubletall .good to know there's something close in a pinch. Also nice to know factory loads are good quality as I don't do any reloading.
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I shoot the Hornady 123 gr. A-Max boat tails and get very tight groups.
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Where do you guys usually find your parts? Brownells,midway? Or more from specific companies sites? Any tools or building kits I should get first?
Primaryarms.com has a great selection. Shipping is lightning fast, 2-3 days on most orders.
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I guess starting with a lower and upper is the best place to start? Triggers?
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I have a RRA 2-stage match trigger. I like it.
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Receiver sets are definitely where you should start. I have a Wilson Combat TTU single stage in my bench gun and it is an excellent trigger.
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Receiver sets are definitely where you should start. I have a Wilson Combat TTU single stage in my bench gun and it is an excellent trigger.
I would order the barrel/bolt carrier the very first thing. BHW took about 5 months for mine. Other specialty barrel makers will be under similar pressure with all the gun control talk about. Everything else seems readily available except for possibly the stock if it's high end.
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RRA 2 stage is a very good trigger for the price. Alg also makes some nice one stage triggers for a good price.
I deal a full line of AR parts and stock a lot of stuff and can special order pretty much anything.
If you go BHW which makes great barrels and I do a lot of builds on them. Let me know. I can skip you the wait of 3-6 months if one of my wholesalers has them in stock.
I can have the 18" and 20" 6.5 Grendel barrels in about 10 days. Both are in stock right now.
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RRA 2 stage is a very good trigger for the price. Alg also makes some nice one stage triggers for a good price.
I deal a full line of AR parts and stock a lot of stuff and can special order pretty much anything.
If you go BHW which makes great barrels and I do a lot of builds on them. Let me know. I can skip you the wait of 3-6 months if one of my wholesalers has them in stock.
I can have the 18" and 20" 6.5 Grendel barrels in about 10 days. Both are in stock right now.
That's pretty awesome lead time.
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Where do you guys usually find your parts? Brownells,midway? Or more from specific companies sites? Any tools or building kits I should get first?
Aero Precision in Tacoma forges great uppers & lowers. Many of the "big name" AR assemblers get their parts through Aero.
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RRA 2 stage is a very good trigger for the price. Alg also makes some nice one stage triggers for a good price.
I deal a full line of AR parts and stock a lot of stuff and can special order pretty much anything.
If you go BHW which makes great barrels and I do a lot of builds on them. Let me know. I can skip you the wait of 3-6 months if one of my wholesalers has them in stock.
I can have the 18" and 20" 6.5 Grendel barrels in about 10 days. Both are in stock right now.
That's pretty awesome lead time.
For sure they stock 223/6.8/300blk and 6.5 Grendel barrels and good prices as well. Most the time I can be less then ordering them and waiting. I am signed up as a dealer for BHW but most the time I just grab one from the wholesaler much faster and good prices. They don't stock all the profiles and lengths but most the commons they carry.
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RRA 2 stage is a very good trigger for the price. Alg also makes some nice one stage triggers for a good price.
I deal a full line of AR parts and stock a lot of stuff and can special order pretty much anything.
If you go BHW which makes great barrels and I do a lot of builds on them. Let me know. I can skip you the wait of 3-6 months if one of my wholesalers has them in stock.
I can have the 18" and 20" 6.5 Grendel barrels in about 10 days. Both are in stock right now.
That's pretty awesome lead time.
For sure they stock 223/6.8/300blk and 6.5 Grendel barrels and good prices as well. Most the time I can be less then ordering them and waiting. I am signed up as a dealer for BHW but most the time I just grab one from the wholesaler much faster and good prices. They don't stock all the profiles and lengths but most the commons they carry.
I got a 24" SPR for mine. I don't think they keep longer ones on the shelf and that's why it took so long.
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Oh yeah black whole does not keep anything really in stock. This is a wholesaler that buys from them and keeps them in stock that is why there is no wait time other then handling and shipping them. I don't think I have seen a 24" with them.
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Is there much difference in upper and lower manufactureres? Is forged or machined the way to go?
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what is a 6.5 in calibers? 270, 7mm, 264, 257, or ? mike w
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.264 I believe
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.264 is correct
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.264 is correct
:yeah: :tup:
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Is there much difference in upper and lower manufactureres? Is forged or machined the way to go?
They are all "mil-spec" in the 15, you can mix and match as you see fit. The major difference is in the finish and coatings. The billet ones are nicer to look at and usually have the trigger guard integrated into the lower. The only one I have had any issues with was the Anderson forged lower, the pivot pin slots were off and caused the pin to bind.
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It's .264 LBC (Les Baer Custom), as opposed to .264 Win mag.
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So can you shoot .264lbc as well as 6.5 grendel?
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You can with the barrel I have. I'm unsure if that's true with any Grendel.
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Any info on rainer arms ?
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I've ordered a few parts from them, if I remember right their prices were a little on the high side.
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So can you shoot .264lbc as well as 6.5 grendel?
Yes, unless you have the original 6.5 Grendel chambering. The original 6.5 Grendel chambering had a shorter throat and there were huge issues with Factory Hornady 123gr SST's and A-Max's being shoved into the lands upon chambering. Causing pressure issues and malfunctions. This has since been corrected and any 6.5 Grendel barrel you order today will have the proper chamber. The .264 LBC chamber is the better chamber of the two. They got the throat angle correct with the .264 LBC, surprised Bill Alexander couldn't figure it out over all that time it took him to run A-A into the ground.
A 8 twist is the only way to fly.
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Awesome thanks. Parts list is starting to come together but nothing ordered yet. Does anyone know if BHW barrels are saami spec ?
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Awesome thanks. Parts list is starting to come together but nothing ordered yet. Does anyone know if BHW barrels are saami spec ?
A 8 twist Black Hole .264 LBC barrel is the way to go. They shoot all the factory offering just fine and if you wish to reload for it. The Hornady New dimension dies are readily available and the best bang for your buck.
May want to do it sooner than later. Black Hole has been raising their prices. Their 6mm barrels are now $400.00 and $15.00 shipping if you order straight from them. The other option is a premium barrel blank. Benchmark, Krieger, Brux, Lilja, Schnieder, Broughton etc. then have a smith spin it, thread it and instal the barrel extension for $200.00 and your into a good barrel.
If you go with Black Hole, have it chambered for the "Type I" bolt. You can use any 7.62x39 AR15 bolt on the market. Also take a look at AIM Surplus they have a large selection of AR parts, free shipping on allot of items and you can pick up a complete 7.62x39 bolt carrier group(Complete) for around a $100.00 shipped.
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Got all the parts now. Not fully assembled yet . Anyone have a good cerakote company on the west side? Looming to do upper, lower,barrel, handguard, maybe stock, and a mag or two. Multicam. Let me know thanks. If people are intetested I can post a parts list now that I have everything.
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I saw a sale on Brownell 250 ish for a barrel and bolt
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Waiting on some pics!!!!
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so i ended up with a 18" black hole weaponry barrel with flutes, rainier arms ultra match upper and lower, giessle ssae trigger,luth-ar stock ergo grip rainier arms ultra match bcg, a slr ion ultralight handguard and gas block and i cant remember that name of the compensator right now. pretty excited to get it cerakoted and together,
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Just like Legos.
Very expensive big boy Legos, LOL
That is going to be sweet!
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I like your barrel choice a lot.
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anyone know about spartan arms in bellingham and how hey are for cerakoting?gunsmithing?
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anyone know about spartan arms in bellingham and how hey are for cerakoting?gunsmithing?
Get in touch with jay.sharkbait. He does cerakoting I believe. I'm fairly sure he did some work on my 6.5.
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anyone know about spartan arms in bellingham and how hey are for cerakoting?gunsmithing?
Get in touch with jay.sharkbait. He does cerakoting I believe. I'm fairly sure he did some work on my 6.5.
Thanks for the plug, but I'm doing design and development work now.
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Never mind! :chuckle:
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Anyone have info on good factory ammo? I see that Hornady has custom and match ammo . What's the difference between the 123 grain sst and A max? Any other recommendations? Thanks .also looking into scope options .looking at the night force shv and maybe a leupold vx3i or something. 4-14x50 ish range.
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They say SST is built for hunting and the A-max is more target do to the fragmenting . I killed a 3x4 bench leg last year with a 123 a-max Grendel. Stumbled 5-10 yards dropped no exit little messy still dead.
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same thing I saw . Just wondered if anyone else had a different take or other good ammo options as I don't reload.
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I use the A-Max for more precision, but the NATO stuff out there still shoots well. It's just dirty/oily. It's steel casings and 120 grains, usually sold under the Wolf label. Whereas A-max is over $1 a pull, the Wolf can be bought for about $0.36 in 500 rd cases. Good for lots of shooting and varmint hunting.
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Thanks pianoman good to know. I'll keep an eye out . Didn't know nato used 6.5 .
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Thanks pianoman good to know. I'll keep an eye out . Didn't know nato used 6.5 .
I think it's Czech, not sure.
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Steel cased ammo doesn't seem to work that great in AR 556. I wonder how it works in 6.5? I'd love to see the addition of the new silver bear zinc plated steel compared to the old laqure crap.
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Steel cased ammo doesn't seem to work that great in AR 556. I wonder how it works in 6.5? I'd love to see the addition of the new silver bear zinc plated steel compared to the old laqure crap.
I've shot two 30-rd mags with no feeding problems/jams.
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Thanks pianoman good to know. I'll keep an eye out . Didn't know nato used 6.5 .
I think it's Czech, not sure.
Serbia is officially adopting 6.5g
It wouldn't surprise me if other countries have used it. :)
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Steel cased ammo doesn't seem to work that great in AR 556. I wonder how it works in 6.5? I'd love to see the addition of the new silver bear zinc plated steel compared to the old laqure crap.
I've shot two 30-rd mags with no feeding problems/jams.
Was it the zinc coated steel?
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Steel cased ammo doesn't seem to work that great in AR 556. I wonder how it works in 6.5? I'd love to see the addition of the new silver bear zinc plated steel compared to the old laqure crap.
I've shot two 30-rd mags with no feeding problems/jams.
Was it the zinc coated steel?
It says "Combat Coated". Also, it's made in Russia and it's 100 grains, not 120. On-line research shows it's "laquer-coated steel".
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I've shot laqure coated steel in a buddies AR and once I got her hot it was a jamomatic. I've heard the zinc works good.
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I've shot laqure coated steel in a buddies AR and once I got her hot it was a jamomatic. I've heard the zinc works good.
Once I go through this 1K, I'll try the zinc!
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Don't expect the wolf to shoot very well, least it didn't for me. It is blasting ammo, just like cheap steel cased 556/223 ammo is. I think it was about 2 MOA out of my gun, while the 123g Amax was Submoa.
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Don't expect the wolf to shoot very well, least it didn't for me. It is blasting ammo, just like cheap steel cased 556/223 ammo is. I think it was about 2 MOA out of my gun, while the 123g Amax was Submoa.
With the AMax, I'm shooting about .5" at 100 yards. With the wolf, it's 1.5". Like I said, good for shooting varmints and blowing off ammo. Not for precision.
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Good to know. Where are you getting the bulk ammo ?
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Just Google it. You should be able to find 500 rounds for about $140.
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Finally got it done (mostly) and back from cerakote. Came in at 7.8lbs without a scope . Excited to go shoot it. Gonna put an aero precision one pice ultralight scope Mount on it and looking at the night force shv 4-14x50 illuminated scope or possibly a leupold Mark 4. Won't let me post pics from phone but I'll try when I get home. If anyone wants to know parts list let me know.
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I'll try and post some more
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just ordered a nightforce 4-14x50 shv with the .25moa iluminated reticle to go on top with my aero precision one piece fde spr scope mount. more pics to come
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That's a beauty. Send a picture to Bob Ferguson. It might convince him to back off the ban! :chuckle: Well done, Scott.
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Sweet!
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My two boys and I are getting ready to start 3 AR builds, probably all three will be Grendel's. Mine will probably be a 24" not sure what the boys want to do. Lots of options to choose. Only thing i know for sure so far is the stripped lowers(cause I've already bought them) The hand guard and stock. Other than that, I've no choices. Every time I think I got it, I see something different. More than likely all the barrels will come from BHW, but who knows for sure.
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