Post by: nimrod67 on March 09, 2016, 10:47:25 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 09, 2016, 10:55:30 AM
Where's the popcorn smiley? :chuckle:
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 09, 2016, 11:11:57 AM
Pe Ell
Post by: UptheCreek on March 09, 2016, 12:13:26 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 09, 2016, 12:21:04 PM
The sticking point is saying, "check out this nice 4x4" and it's a 3-point mule deer with little sticker browtines. Usually with whitetail most people count the browtines because they are actually significant as in 5-7" long.
Again...sometimes you run into this
I'm too old school. Count ONLY MAIN FRAME points. In my camp if we're hunting mule deer (3 point min) you DON"T kill a 2 point with an eye guard. If you do your gone. You better have your own way home. Its not even going to be hung in my camp.
Hunterman(Tony)
And with elk, "Pe Ell" is all you need to know.
Post by: boneaddict on March 09, 2016, 12:35:41 PM
Much like finding a d cup stuffed with tissue.
Most of the time this has nothing to do with elk or whitetail. That's a different campfire.
Basically it can't be explained any further here, because we aren't allowed to use insults, explicitives, or really even be a manly here. The same pc world that won't let a person speak his mind on here, is the same pc world trying to count all the points on a mule deer.
Post by: curlewkiller on March 09, 2016, 12:52:13 PM
:tup:
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 09, 2016, 12:53:00 PM
Tradition, heritage, personal choice, whatever you want to call it. For legal reasons sure count it. Mule deer camp, get laughed off the mountain. If you want to be taken seriously, call a four point a four point, if it's a four point with eye guards call it that. If it's a three point with eye guards, it's not a four point. Quit trying to make your buck sound bigger.
Much like finding a d cup stuffed with tissue.
Most of the time this has nothing to do with elk or whitetail. That's a different campfire.
Basically it can't be explained any further here, because we aren't allowed to use insults, explicitives, or really even be a manly here. The same pc world that won't let a person speak his mind on here, is the same pc world trying to count all the points on a mule deer.
Bone's feisty today :chuckle: I second the emboldened part, really a bummer.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 09, 2016, 12:55:38 PM
Yet you don't say you have shot a 5x5 when you shoot a 4x4 with eye gaurds. It's not a true 5x5. Lots of people get itchy with that one for some reason :chuckle:
The score books count it and a eye guard is a legal point cant argue that. Let people count what they want on there own deer.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 09, 2016, 01:01:51 PM
for Muleys I usually say 130s 3 or 120s 4 the same and typically won't count brows in that for Muleys. But I'll never run someone out of camp or belittle them for shooting a fork with a brow in a 3 point area. And I'll also usually keep my mouth shut if someone talks about a 4 point That is a 3 with a brow. It really doesn't bother me too much.
And to stir the pot a bit. What would you guys call this one? I watched him for a while and counted 4 with 2 brows on his righ side and 8-9 points on his left.
Would the first points on his left be "brow tines" and noncountable? :stirthepot: : :chuckle:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 09, 2016, 01:02:55 PM
Ive been noticing he's been feisty the last few months! And it's awesome! :chuckle: :tup:Tradition, heritage, personal choice, whatever you want to call it. For legal reasons sure count it. Mule deer camp, get laughed off the mountain. If you want to be taken seriously, call a four point a four point, if it's a four point with eye guards call it that. If it's a three point with eye guards, it's not a four point. Quit trying to make your buck sound bigger.
Much like finding a d cup stuffed with tissue.
Most of the time this has nothing to do with elk or whitetail. That's a different campfire.
Basically it can't be explained any further here, because we aren't allowed to use insults, explicitives, or really even be a manly here. The same pc world that won't let a person speak his mind on here, is the same pc world trying to count all the points on a mule deer.
Bone's feisty today :chuckle: I second the emboldened part, really a bummer.
Post by: boneaddict on March 09, 2016, 01:52:11 PM
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on March 09, 2016, 02:00:20 PM
Post by: boneaddict on March 09, 2016, 02:08:09 PM
Basically from here on out if Carp ever shoots anything, we will all just know it was smaller than he really was. :chuckle:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 09, 2016, 02:09:53 PM
Focus man. Got any focused pictures of that thing. :chuckle::sry:
:chuckle:
Man I didn't think I did too bad for holding my cell phone up to my binos!
The iPhone just can't compare to your equipment and abilities. :tung:
Here's the original pics. Not zoomed in.
The one is looking through some grass.
Shoot me a pm if you want to know where he lives. I'll tell ya :tup:
Post by: MtnMuley on March 09, 2016, 02:11:36 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 09, 2016, 02:48:28 PM
Basically from here on out if Carp ever shoots anything, we will all just know it was smaller than he really was. :chuckle:
Oh come on Doug. Don't tell me you sawed off those eye gaurds when you took your buck to get scored did you :chuckle:
IF I ever shoot anything :chuckle: I better go unplug the 3 freezers with 3 deer and a elk from this year :chuckle: Nope just figments of my imagination I am going to get real skinny chewing on those imaginary steaks ROFLOL.
Oh and I do agree with you if you read my post. I don't count 4x4 as 5x5 like I said in my post. I would have many many pictures in the 5 point or better thread if I counted 4x4 with eye gaurds as 5's :party1:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 09, 2016, 02:57:09 PM
Oh snap! It just got real! :chuckle:Basically from here on out if Carp ever shoots anything, we will all just know it was smaller than he really was. :chuckle:
Oh come on Doug. Don't tell me you sawed off those eye gaurds when you took your buck to get scored did you :chuckle:
IF I ever shoot anything :chuckle: I better go unplug the 3 freezers with 3 deer and a elk from this year :chuckle: Nope just figments of my imagination I am going to get real skinny chewing on those imaginary steaks ROFLOL.
Oh and I do agree with you if you read my post. I don't count 4x4 as 5x5 like I said in my post. I would have many many pictures in the 5 point or better thread if I counted 4x4 with eye gaurds as 5's :party1:
Post by: Skillet on March 09, 2016, 03:01:49 PM
:twocents:
Post by: nwwanderer on March 09, 2016, 03:14:52 PM
Post by: JDHasty on March 09, 2016, 03:23:40 PM
Post by: link on March 09, 2016, 03:25:50 PM
Post by: JDHasty on March 09, 2016, 03:31:12 PM
There is only one instance where I'll call a three point with eyeguards a four point, and that is if it smells like a four point.
If it is within two hours of downtown Portland... who could argue with that.
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on March 09, 2016, 03:39:07 PM
Perhaps because they are less common on BT and Muleys, Eyeguards have always been special to me, I think the add character and a coolness factor to a buck, so although I dont count them in the point count I do throw them in in the description. For point count I count only whats grown above the guards inline regardless of species. JDs Buck would be a 3x4 with eyegaurds.
Post by: Maverick on March 09, 2016, 03:55:05 PM
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on March 09, 2016, 04:28:40 PM
Muletail (whitetail/mulie cross ) guys count like this 1, 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 etc.
Post by: grundy53 on March 09, 2016, 07:49:35 PM
I don't think anybody here is saying you don't count the eyeguards/G1 when scoring. :dunno: 90% of all the guys I associate with, refer to a muley or whiteys mainframe when describing a buck. Eyeguards and extras not referred to unless they're inline.This
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Post by: razzanof on March 09, 2016, 08:41:11 PM
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Post by: kball4 on March 10, 2016, 08:32:47 AM
Post by: PolarBear on March 10, 2016, 08:37:35 AM
Tradition, heritage, personal choice, whatever you want to call it. For legal reasons sure count it. Mule deer camp, get laughed off the mountain. If you want to be taken seriously, call a four point a four point, if it's a four point with eye guards call it that. If it's a three point with eye guards, it's not a four point. Quit trying to make your buck sound bigger.:yeah:
Much like finding a d cup stuffed with tissue.
Most of the time this has nothing to do with elk or whitetail. That's a different campfire.
Basically it can't be explained any further here, because we aren't allowed to use insults, explicitives, or really even be a manly here. The same pc world that won't let a person speak his mind on here, is the same pc world trying to count all the points on a mule deer.
I'm not a "count every point" guy. I have a 150+ whitetail with 14 score able points but I still call it a 4 point with junk.
Post by: dvolmer on March 10, 2016, 08:37:47 AM
Post by: Squidward on March 10, 2016, 08:43:44 AM
Post by: JDHasty on March 10, 2016, 08:50:55 AM
This Grant County buck my daughter took in 2009 had 16 scorable inches in his eye guards and below. 186 gross inches.
Looks like that buck is due a refund on whatever he paid for those "eye guards." The right one certainly didn't appear to do him much good.
Teasing aside, that is one beautiful buck, I bet she is proud of that mount.
Post by: WAPatriot on March 10, 2016, 08:58:11 AM
This Grant County buck my daughter took in 2009 had 16 scorable inches in his eye guards and below. 186 gross inches.
Wow that picture should be on a magazine or something awesome buck
Post by: westsidehntr on March 10, 2016, 09:12:06 AM
Tradition, heritage, personal choice, whatever you want to call it. For legal reasons sure count it. Mule deer camp, get laughed off the mountain. If you want to be taken seriously, call a four point a four point, if it's a four point with eye guards call it that. If it's a three point with eye guards, it's not a four point. Quit trying to make your buck sound bigger.
Much like finding a d cup stuffed with tissue.
Most of the time this has nothing to do with elk or whitetail. That's a different campfire.
Basically it can't be explained any further here, because we aren't allowed to use insults, explicitives, or really even be a manly here. The same pc world that won't let a person speak his mind on here, is the same pc world trying to count all the points on a mule deer.
:yeah: Bone nailed it
Post by: Rainier10 on March 10, 2016, 10:03:40 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on March 10, 2016, 10:08:37 AM
Post by: boneaddict on March 10, 2016, 10:24:13 AM
You paint the picture in your mind.
16 point buck. Now is that 16 points total or on one side, and are their tines everywhere , like a true non typical giant or do you come up with the correct picture in your mind of the deer.
Or....
4 x5 with gnarly eye guards with tons of moss or trash around the bases.
be honest.
Post by: JDHasty on March 10, 2016, 10:34:12 AM
Born out of description. Grant county buck as the example.
You paint the picture in your mind.
16 point buck. Now is that 16 points total or on one side, and are their tines everywhere , like a true non typical giant or do you come up with the correct picture in your mind of the deer.
Or....
4 x5 with gnarly eye guards with tons of moss or trash around the bases.
be honest.
4X5 w/16 scoreable inches of gnarly eye guards works for me. I don't see any claim of sixteen points being made.
Post by: _TONY_ on March 10, 2016, 10:58:40 AM
4 x5 with gnarly eye guards with tons of moss or trash around the bases.
be honest.
:yeah:
If someone describes a buck in either the sum total of points, or counts the eyeguards as a point, it buggs the heck out of me for some reason...
__x__ with or without eyeguards is how we describe our bucks
Post by: Rainier10 on March 10, 2016, 11:03:26 AM
FYI the 4x4 with no eyeguards above was smooth when I shot him, I didn't grind them off and they weren't broke off. He was a younger deer and I am not sure he was ever going to grow them. I am sure he would have been a real stud the following year but with a bow I just couldn't pass him up.
Post by: dvolmer on March 10, 2016, 11:56:03 AM
Post by: boneaddict on March 10, 2016, 12:15:17 PM
Born out of description. Grant county buck as the example.
You paint the picture in your mind.
16 point buck. Now is that 16 points total or on one side, and are their tines everywhere , like a true non typical giant or do you come up with the correct picture in your mind of the deer.
Or....
4 x5 with gnarly eye guards with tons of moss or trash around the bases.
be honest.
4X5 w/16 scoreable inches of gnarly eye guards works for me. I don't see any claim of sixteen points being made.
You are all over it JD. There are folks here hanging a ring on it. Can't you imagine someone calling that a 16 pointer.
Post by: boneaddict on March 10, 2016, 12:16:38 PM
Post by: JDHasty on March 10, 2016, 12:24:10 PM
Post by: boneaddict on March 10, 2016, 12:30:40 PM
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on March 10, 2016, 12:43:58 PM
Ya, I agree. I would call the buck a 4X5 with gnarly eye guards and lots of trash. My other daughter shot a 183 typical nice Grant Co buck in 2010 with a sticker on the left side. I would call that buck a nice 4X4 with eye guards and a sticker to boot.
Down home , we call a sticker a "fork guard"..If you call it a sticker around the campfire you would be ridiculed endlessly. So , if you were Down Home you would call your buck a 4 pointer on the right and a 4 pointer on the left with a fork guard on the left and and eye guard on the right and an eye guard on the left. Come on guys it can't be that hard to describe your bucks antler correctly. And if you use adjectives like " gnarly or massive or giant or toad" we all know that you are trying to make your buck sound bigger. Now you know , Dave. :hello:
Post by: dvolmer on March 10, 2016, 12:53:44 PM
Post by: The Gobble-stopper on March 10, 2016, 02:08:31 PM
Post by: Dan-o on March 10, 2016, 02:23:04 PM
The annual eye guard drama thread!
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 10, 2016, 02:32:08 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 10, 2016, 02:40:17 PM
Eyeguards are suppose to protect the eyes of the great antlered animals while they are fighting. The animals with the bigger eyeguards win? Don't they?Is that like saying the guy with the thickest glasses wins? :chuckle:
Post by: boneaddict on March 10, 2016, 03:11:37 PM
No drama Dano. Just campfire talk.
Post by: Maverick on March 10, 2016, 03:44:13 PM
This Grant County buck my daughter took in 2009 had 16 scorable inches in his eye guards and below. 186 gross inches.Wasn't her picture in sportsmans in Kennewick? I've seen the picture before.
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 10, 2016, 03:59:24 PM
Eyeguards are suppose to protect the eyes of the great antlered animals while they are fighting. The animals with the bigger eyeguards win? Don't they?Is that like saying the guy with the thickest glasses wins? :chuckle:
Haha!
Post by: jdb on March 10, 2016, 10:37:40 PM
Post by: jdb on March 10, 2016, 10:38:59 PM
Post by: Bigshooter on March 10, 2016, 11:21:12 PM
Tradition, heritage, personal choice, whatever you want to call it. For legal reasons sure count it. Mule deer camp, get laughed off the mountain. If you want to be taken seriously, call a four point a four point, if it's a four point with eye guards call it that. If it's a three point with eye guards, it's not a four point. Quit trying to make your buck sound bigger.
Much like finding a d cup stuffed with tissue.
Most of the time this has nothing to do with elk or whitetail. That's a different campfire.
Basically it can't be explained any further here, because we aren't allowed to use insults, explicitives, or really even be a manly here. The same pc world that won't let a person speak his mind on here, is the same pc world trying to count all the points on a mule deer.
:yeah:
Post by: Chesapeake on March 11, 2016, 10:32:49 AM
So I describe the point count for the main frame(3x3), and then describe the secondary's (eye guards, stickers, trash, ect..).
Same for elk. A 5x5 with devil points isn't a 6x6. Guys know what a 6x6 is and its not a 5x5 with devil points. Same with a 5x5 with crowns, its not a 7x7. Its a 5x5 with crowns.
Its about describing a rack in a way that a guy can pretty well picture what your talking about. Calling a 3x3 with eye guards a 4x4 is misleading, just like calling a forkey with double eye guards a 4x4 is misleading.
Post by: JDHasty on March 11, 2016, 10:42:44 AM
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on March 11, 2016, 11:06:22 AM
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Post by: JakeLand on March 13, 2016, 10:15:32 PM
Post by: tgomez on March 14, 2016, 06:54:21 AM
I just shoot doe so I don't have to get into this argument ;):chuckle: :yeah:
Post by: kellama2001 on March 14, 2016, 09:45:33 AM
Post by: jasnt on March 14, 2016, 10:18:26 AM
Post by: JDHasty on March 14, 2016, 10:18:58 AM
Post by: boneaddict on March 14, 2016, 10:21:15 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 14, 2016, 10:24:22 AM
At the end of the day people who quibble over brow tines being counted or not being counted are about as annoying and petty as those who make a "federal case" out of someone referring to a magazine as a clip. I don't have time for such individuals in my life.Yet you still feel the need to comment in the thread... :yeah:
Post by: jdb on March 14, 2016, 05:18:28 PM
At the end of the day people who quibble over brow tines being counted or not being counted are about as annoying and petty as those who make a "federal case" out of someone referring to a magazine as a clip. I don't have time for such trivial concern being elevated to such proportions in my life.glad I could be of service :tup:
Post by: link on March 14, 2016, 05:36:02 PM
Eight times! :chuckle:At the end of the day people who quibble over brow tines being counted or not being counted are about as annoying and petty as those who make a "federal case" out of someone referring to a magazine as a clip. I don't have time for such individuals in my life.Yet you still feel the need to comment in the thread... :yeah:
Post by: JDHasty on March 14, 2016, 08:45:29 PM
Eight times! :chuckle:At the end of the day people who quibble over brow tines being counted or not being counted are about as annoying and petty as those who make a "federal case" out of someone referring to a magazine as a clip. I don't have time for such individuals in my life.Yet you still feel the need to comment in the thread... :yeah:
It just really isn't that important to me that I will quibble over it.
I hunt blacktails mostly and where we hunt we have gotten them with three inch brow tines and we have gotten big mature bucks that were as slick as a banister rail up to the first fork. Like I said up thread, I called that buck a 3x4 and didn't mention the brow tines even though they are fairly substantial. My buddy called it a 4x5 and I don't have a problem with him referring to it as that either.
For me it is a nice 3x4. If we are out hunting and I get a call from him saying he got a big 4x4, it could be that it has brow tines that are being counted and that would make it a 3x3 w/brow tines or it could be a slick 4x4 w/o brow tines.
So in that case if he had shot the latter I would not be envisioning something bigger than he is claiming, but it could very easily be that I am envisioning something less than what he is claiming.
In his case I know that what he says it is includes any brow tines.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on March 15, 2016, 12:05:07 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 15, 2016, 12:14:48 PM
Straighten me out please - is a 4x5 with eye guards a 9 pointer or an 11 pointer?
Does "with" mean including eye guards or plus eye guards? I'm from back east you know, so I feel kinda like I can comment on this with past expertise.
Post by: jackelope on March 15, 2016, 12:23:46 PM
Post by: JDHasty on March 15, 2016, 12:29:50 PM
Post by: westsidehntr on March 15, 2016, 12:35:13 PM
I think people who don't understand the differences in whitetails vs mulies and blacktail would never understand this argument.
Post by: Jarhead Chase on March 15, 2016, 12:42:04 PM
I like the eastern method of counting. You count all of the legal points and just call it that. It's as simple as that. Instead of "it's a 4x3 with eye guards" you can just say "it's a 9 point" and call it a day. It's just simpler that way.
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Post by: Rainier10 on March 15, 2016, 12:52:17 PM
Insert sarcasm emoticon here.
Post by: westsidehntr on March 15, 2016, 12:54:04 PM
Well, here goes the comment that will probably end up getting me banned from all future discussions;
I like the eastern method of counting. You count all of the legal points and just call it that. It's as simple as that. Instead of "it's a 4x3 with eye guards" you can just say "it's a 9 point" and call it a day. It's just simpler that way.
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It is simpler, but my take is that isn't descriptive enough, as has been covered already. Huge difference between how mulie and blacktail guys picture 4x5 and a 3x4 with eyeguards.
Post by: JDHasty on March 15, 2016, 12:54:13 PM
Well, here goes the comment that will probably end up getting me banned from all future discussions;
I like the eastern method of counting. You count all of the legal points and just call it that. It's as simple as that. Instead of "it's a 4x3 with eye guards" you can just say "it's a 9 point" and call it a day. It's just simpler that way.
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By God what are you thinking, you better be careful there tiger. Saying something like that could get you tossed in the can for incitement to riot.
Post by: skeeter 20i on March 15, 2016, 01:10:09 PM
Question:
If you go to get your buck scored and the eye guards count to the point total why don't they count in some hunters judgment? I mean if a eye guard is the G1 or Normal Point and stickers are Abnormal Points aren't they all still points? Why the point discrimination? Can't we all just get a trophy for participation? :dunno:
This one we call a 5x5 w/ a sticker but I could see how some would call it a 5x6 or a 4x4 w/ 3 eye guards or a 4x4 w/ split eye guards on one side I guess it could be a 10+ or an 11- :chuckle:
The worst part of it is that we refer to this one as the "smaller one" :bash:
Post by: Rainier10 on March 15, 2016, 06:59:06 PM
:chuckle:
Post by: Watimberghost on March 15, 2016, 07:10:00 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on March 15, 2016, 08:10:06 PM
Straighten me out please - is a 4x5 with eye guards a 9 pointer or an 11 pointer?
That would all depend on how many eyeguards.... :chuckle:
Post by: Bango skank on March 15, 2016, 08:39:46 PM
Theyre browtines. I believe jdhasty is the only one amongst you all who doesnt need to take a trip to the proctologist to have his head examined.
Post by: Dan-o on March 15, 2016, 09:12:16 PM
In our house we always counted the eye guards as points if they were longer than the smallest main beam point. Yeah I know it's hokey but it's how we've always done it.
Question:
If you go to get your buck scored and the eye guards count to the point total why don't they count in some hunters judgment? I mean if a eye guard is the G1 or Normal Point and stickers are Abnormal Points aren't they all still points? Why the point discrimination? Can't we all just get a trophy for participation? :dunno:
This one we call a 5x5 w/ a sticker but I could see how some would call it a 5x6 or a 4x4 w/ 3 eye guards or a 4x4 w/ split eye guards on one side I guess it could be a 10+ or an 11- :chuckle:
The worst part of it is that we refer to this one as the "smaller one" :bash:
That appears to be a spike with 8 extra eyeguards and a brow tine......
Post by: Gringo31 on March 15, 2016, 09:21:54 PM
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Post by: Dan-o on March 15, 2016, 09:28:44 PM
Just wondering why it matters where the point grows??
Post by: fishnfur on March 16, 2016, 12:09:53 AM
Beats not talking about hunting, but not by a hell of a lot.
I don't care at all that whitetail hunters count all the points cumulatively. I understand it and can easily live with it. I also like the better descriptor of stating the points on each side (ie: 4 X 3). I'm always a bit squeamish to see a situation where a blacktail spork with nubbin eyeguards called a five point. Perhaps it's just me, but I like the NW tradition of counting the major points on the side having the most points, then adding the descriptor of whether or not it had eyeguards.
Post by: Bigshooter on March 16, 2016, 01:15:35 AM
You guys are all screwed up. Whether or not you count em is irrelevant. What matters is that theyre not eyeguards!!!!!
Theyre browtines. I believe jdhasty is the only one amongst you all who doesnt need to take a trip to the proctologist to have his head examined.
Only if you are a flattlander from back east.
Post by: Bigshooter on March 16, 2016, 01:28:36 AM
https://www.boone-crockett.org/pdf/Field%20Judging_MuleDeer.pdf
Post by: Bango skank on March 16, 2016, 01:49:57 AM
Post by: JDHasty on March 16, 2016, 03:10:04 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 16, 2016, 05:08:31 AM
Post by: JakeLand on March 16, 2016, 05:47:19 AM
Eye guards deer, brow tines elk
Thank you some common sense joins
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on March 16, 2016, 06:02:09 AM
Post by: jasnt on March 16, 2016, 06:04:21 AM
:yeah:Eye guards deer, brow tines elk
Thank you some common sense joins
Post by: JDHasty on March 16, 2016, 06:05:35 AM
If I am elected I will solve the problem of counting or not counting the G-1 on deer antlers. The far left has infiltrated our ranks and is trying stir-up discontent. We must unite if we are to survive as hunters. I am the only one that can bring us together and call the G-1 a point or not a point . Recently there have been calls to describe the G-1 as a "Browtine" and not an "eyeguard". If elected I am the only one that can solve this very complex issue. Bla... Bla,.,. Bla,., Bla. In conclusion , if elected I will make Washington State Fish & Wildlife great again. I humbly ask for your support.
Harumph, harumph
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 16, 2016, 06:32:22 AM
Eye guards deer, brow tines elk
Thank you some common sense joins
When I read this it reminded me of Lincoln Chafee's Presidential platform of switching to the metric system. It surprised me that there was support and that some people considered it an issue ;)
Post by: jackelope on March 16, 2016, 07:47:51 AM
Eye guards deer, brow tines elk
Back east, we called the eye guards brow tines...but we only had whitetails back there.
:dunno:
Post by: 92xj on March 16, 2016, 07:55:06 AM
The South with rise again!
Post by: JakeLand on March 16, 2016, 09:09:54 AM
Post by: 92xj on March 16, 2016, 09:15:35 AM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on March 16, 2016, 09:25:18 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 16, 2016, 09:26:18 AM
I made the transition from eastern count to western count pretty easily. I'm still thrown by the east Lewiscountians' description of a 5-point bull as "three point double eye guards" and a 6-point as "four point double eye guards". What is the geographic range of that nomenclature, and does it have a name (e.g., Morton count)?
Pe Ell
Post by: 92xj on March 16, 2016, 09:35:58 AM
I made the transition from eastern count to western count pretty easily. I'm still thrown by the east Lewiscountians' description of a 5-point bull as "three point double eye guards" and a 6-point as "four point double eye guards". What is the geographic range of that nomenclature, and does it have a name (e.g., Morton count)?
I've made the transition as well for Mule deer and the very rare time I speak of blacktails. I'm still struggling when I describe or talk about whitetails out here. Not sure that will ever happen completely for me with whitetails.
Post by: JDHasty on March 16, 2016, 10:05:33 AM
I made the transition from eastern count to western count pretty easily. I'm still thrown by the east Lewiscountians' description of a 5-point bull as "three point double eye guards" and a 6-point as "four point double eye guards". What is the geographic range of that nomenclature, and does it have a name (e.g., Morton count)?
Pe Ell
IIRC, Pe Ell is pretty much as far west as you can go and still be in Lewis Co
Post by: jj-ak on March 16, 2016, 12:19:50 PM
Spike:
Whitetail – whitebread no mayo
Blacktail – table deer
Mule – fake out
2x2/2x2 with brow tines:
WT – jackknob/ sneaky jackknob
BT – double take/smoke and mirrors
Mule – next year/last day
3x3/3x3 with brow tines:
WT – shooter/ shooter plus
BT – shooter buck/ SBP
Mule – shooter/ tricked buck
4x4/ 4x4 with brow tines:
WT – big nasty buck/ big stinky buck
BT – black nasty buck/ uncle joe
Mule – big ole nasty buck/ big ole stinky buck
Anything above this we call it the same for all 3 types:
Phantom buck/ night shadow/ mountain whisper
This is just a sample we have names for all the combinations too 2X3, 3X4, 3X2 with brow tines, ect… but I didn’t feel like writing them all out.
At first glance it seems like a very complex system but after a couple years hunting in our camp you start to figure it out.
That being said I had to come up with a new one for the deer I shot this last season:
"devil deer"
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 16, 2016, 12:42:49 PM
Where I come from this is how we refer to them:
Spike:
Whitetail – whitebread no mayo
Blacktail – table deer
Mule – fake out
2x2/2x2 with brow tines:
WT – jackknob/ sneaky jackknob
BT – double take/smoke and mirrors
Mule – next year/last day
3x3/3x3 with brow tines:
WT – shooter/ shooter plus
BT – shooter buck/ SBP
Mule – shooter/ tricked buck
4x4/ 4x4 with brow tines:
WT – big nasty buck/ big stinky buck
BT – black nasty buck/ uncle joe
Mule – big ole nasty buck/ big ole stinky buck
Anything above this we call it the same for all 3 types:
Phantom buck/ night shadow/ mountain whisper
This is just a sample we have names for all the combinations too 2X3, 3X4, 3X2 with brow tines, ect… but I didn’t feel like writing them all out.
At first glance it seems like a very complex system but after a couple years hunting in our camp you start to figure it out.
That being said I had to come up with a new one for the deer I shot this last season:
"devil deer"
Thank you so much for posting this :chuckle:
Post by: Curly on March 16, 2016, 12:46:31 PM
Post by: fishnfur on March 16, 2016, 10:35:06 PM
Where I come from this is how we refer to them:
Spike:
Whitetail – whitebread no mayo
Blacktail – table deer
Mule – fake out
2x2/2x2 with brow tines:
WT – jackknob/ sneaky jackknob
BT – double take/smoke and mirrors
Mule – next year/last day
3x3/3x3 with brow tines:
WT – shooter/ shooter plus
BT – shooter buck/ SBP
Mule – shooter/ tricked buck
4x4/ 4x4 with brow tines:
WT – big nasty buck/ big stinky buck
BT – black nasty buck/ uncle joe
Mule – big ole nasty buck/ big ole stinky buck
Anything above this we call it the same for all 3 types:
Phantom buck/ night shadow/ mountain whisper
This is just a sample we have names for all the combinations too 2X3, 3X4, 3X2 with brow tines, ect… but I didn’t feel like writing them all out.
At first glance it seems like a very complex system but after a couple years hunting in our camp you start to figure it out.
That being said I had to come up with a new one for the deer I shot this last season:
"devil deer"
Thank you so much for posting this :chuckle:
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: Hilarious, but severely lacking in profanity.
Post by: grundy53 on March 17, 2016, 06:21:07 AM
I made the transition from eastern count to western count pretty easily. I'm still thrown by the east Lewiscountians' description of a 5-point bull as "three point double eye guards" and a 6-point as "four point double eye guards". What is the geographic range of that nomenclature, and does it have a name (e.g., Morton count)?Also, west Lewis county and Pacific county. This is how I was taught to count antler points.
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Post by: grundy53 on March 17, 2016, 06:25:27 AM
I made the transition from eastern count to western count pretty easily. I'm still thrown by the east Lewiscountians' description of a 5-point bull as "three point double eye guards" and a 6-point as "four point double eye guards". What is the geographic range of that nomenclature, and does it have a name (e.g., Morton count)?And as far as the nomenclature... it's referred to as the PROPER or CORRECT count... :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Post by: jackelope on March 17, 2016, 06:29:35 AM
Where I come from this is how we refer to them:
Spike:
Whitetail – whitebread no mayo
Blacktail – table deer
Mule – fake out
2x2/2x2 with brow tines:
WT – jackknob/ sneaky jackknob
BT – double take/smoke and mirrors
Mule – next year/last day
3x3/3x3 with brow tines:
WT – shooter/ shooter plus
BT – shooter buck/ SBP
Mule – shooter/ tricked buck
4x4/ 4x4 with brow tines:
WT – big nasty buck/ big stinky buck
BT – black nasty buck/ uncle joe
Mule – big ole nasty buck/ big ole stinky buck
Anything above this we call it the same for all 3 types:
Phantom buck/ night shadow/ mountain whisper
This is just a sample we have names for all the combinations too 2X3, 3X4, 3X2 with brow tines, ect… but I didn’t feel like writing them all out.
At first glance it seems like a very complex system but after a couple years hunting in our camp you start to figure it out.
That being said I had to come up with a new one for the deer I shot this last season:
"devil deer"
I should've never woke up this morning.
Post by: Mr Mykiss on March 17, 2016, 06:38:09 AM
Post by: grundy53 on March 17, 2016, 06:38:32 AM
Sorry but i dont see any way that a deers browtines actually perform the duty of protecting their eyes in a fight. Browtine is a much more accurate term. Calling them eyeguards rings about the same with me as people calling the white (not rub stained) tips of antlers "polished tips." Its nonsense. Like a deer or elk is making little circular motions just rubbing the tips of their antlers, which somehow rubs the brown off. Total absurdity.It's a descriptor. It doesn't actually have to guard the eyes. Just like sword and dagger points on elk aren't actually swords or daggers.
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Post by: jackelope on March 17, 2016, 06:56:48 AM
Sorry but i dont see any way that a deers browtines actually perform the duty of protecting their eyes in a fight. Browtine is a much more accurate term. Calling them eyeguards rings about the same with me as people calling the white (not rub stained) tips of antlers "polished tips." Its nonsense. Like a deer or elk is making little circular motions just rubbing the tips of their antlers, which somehow rubs the brown off. Total absurdity.Clearly You feel very strongly about this.
Post by: JDHasty on March 17, 2016, 09:10:41 AM
A simple formula for eyeguards: count them on your deer, do not count them on on your buddies deer
I had it backward. I normally count them on my buddies deer, because he counts them, but I don't count them on mine.
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 17, 2016, 09:13:58 AM
Sorry but i dont see any way that a deers browtines actually perform the duty of protecting their eyes in a fight. Browtine is a much more accurate term. Calling them eyeguards rings about the same with me as people calling the white (not rub stained) tips of antlers "polished tips." Its nonsense. Like a deer or elk is making little circular motions just rubbing the tips of their antlers, which somehow rubs the brown off. Total absurdity.It's a descriptor. It doesn't actually have to guard the eyes. Just like sword and dagger points on elk aren't actually swords or daggers.
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Hold the phone... they aren't? :dunno:
Post by: bowhntr on March 17, 2016, 08:22:44 PM
Post by: chester on March 17, 2016, 08:27:43 PM
I made the transition from eastern count to western count pretty easily. I'm still thrown by the east Lewiscountians' description of a 5-point bull as "three point double eye guards" and a 6-point as "four point double eye guards". What is the geographic range of that nomenclature, and does it have a name (e.g., Morton count)?Also, west Lewis county and Pacific county. This is how I was taught to count antler points.
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Someone taught you right :tup:
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Post by: Kenaiwild on March 20, 2016, 04:14:34 PM
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Post by: MtnMuley on March 20, 2016, 04:26:00 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 20, 2016, 08:03:17 PM
I made the transition from eastern count to western count pretty easily. I'm still thrown by the east Lewiscountians' description of a 5-point bull as "three point double eye guards" and a 6-point as "four point double eye guards". What is the geographic range of that nomenclature, and does it have a name (e.g., Morton count)?Also, west Lewis county and Pacific county. This is how I was taught to count antler points.
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Someone taught you right :tup:
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LMAO! :chuckle:
Post by: fishnfur on March 22, 2016, 09:40:46 PM
I made the transition from eastern count to western count pretty easily. I'm still thrown by the east Lewiscountians' description of a 5-point bull as "three point double eye guards" and a 6-point as "four point double eye guards". What is the geographic range of that nomenclature, and does it have a name (e.g., Morton count)?Also, west Lewis county and Pacific county. This is how I was taught to count antler points.
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Someone taught you right :tup:
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LMAO! :chuckle:
I vote for calling it the Pe Ell Count. That doesn't sound so salty.
Post by: chester on March 22, 2016, 09:43:35 PM
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Post by: hirshey on March 23, 2016, 05:17:30 PM
Tradition, heritage, personal choice, whatever you want to call it. For legal reasons sure count it. Mule deer camp, get laughed off the mountain. If you want to be taken seriously, call a four point a four point, if it's a four point with eye guards call it that. If it's a three point with eye guards, it's not a four point. Quit trying to make your buck sound bigger.:chuckle: good explanation. Also gave me a smile on this rainy Seattle day!
Much like finding a d cup stuffed with tissue.
Most of the time this has nothing to do with elk or whitetail. That's a different campfire.
Basically it can't be explained any further here, because we aren't allowed to use insults, explicitives, or really even be a manly here. The same pc world that won't let a person speak his mind on here, is the same pc world trying to count all the points on a mule deer.
Post by: tgomez on March 23, 2016, 06:50:59 PM
Post by: jdb on March 23, 2016, 07:18:40 PM
Post by: DaveMonti on March 23, 2016, 10:22:41 PM
Post by: grundy53 on March 24, 2016, 04:47:23 AM
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Post by: jdb on March 24, 2016, 05:45:37 AM
At least now I know who I can have a frank discussion on buck deer with. I'll quietly discuss the deer I've seen and harvested with jackelope and a few other easterners. There are no "eye guards". That's what redneck southerns called "brow tines". And we count them on whitetails, and we count all the points. But, I'll keep my buck discussions to a few, trusted individuals that speak the same, logical language as me! :chuckle:while disdiscussing these things I suppose you also discuss the latest episode of the view? And what hygiene products leave you feeling fresh? While we we "redneck southerns" discuss bucks with eye guards and falling timber, changing our own oil and other manly pursuits
Post by: PolarBear on March 24, 2016, 11:28:55 AM
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Post by: Rainier10 on March 24, 2016, 11:45:45 AM
Little 3 point, end of discussion!! :chuckle:Nice three. :tup:
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How long did you have to think about that one and if it was a shooter?
Post by: JimmyHoffa on March 24, 2016, 11:54:52 AM
Post by: fishnfur on March 24, 2016, 12:05:56 PM
Little 3 point, end of discussion!! :chuckle:)
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6X5! :chuckle: (very cool one too)
Post by: PolarBear on March 24, 2016, 12:15:24 PM
Thanks! It has a total of 13 points over 1" one is hidden behind the right side and you can barely see the other on the left beam.Little 3 point, end of discussion!! :chuckle:)
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6X5! :chuckle: (very cool one too)
Post by: PolarBear on March 24, 2016, 12:26:04 PM
Passed on him 2 times waiting for a much bigger buck only to run an arrow through him on the last day.Little 3 point, end of discussion!! :chuckle:Nice three. :tup:
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How long did you have to think about that one and if it was a shooter?
Post by: jdb on March 24, 2016, 01:38:31 PM
Post by: fishnfur on March 24, 2016, 11:55:22 PM
Post by: skeeter 20i on March 25, 2016, 07:27:53 AM
At least now I know who I can have a frank discussion on buck deer with. I'll quietly discuss the deer I've seen and harvested with jackelope and a few other easterners. There are no "eye guards". That's what redneck southerns called "brow tines". And we count them on whitetails, and we count all the points. But, I'll keep my buck discussions to a few, trusted individuals that speak the same, logical language as me! :chuckle:while disdiscussing these things I suppose you also discuss the latest episode of the view? And what hygiene products leave you feeling fresh? While we we "redneck southerns" discuss bucks with eye guards and falling timber, changing our own oil and other manly pursuits
LMAO :tup:
Post by: Miles on March 28, 2016, 06:15:35 AM