Post by: bearpaw on March 24, 2016, 10:53:27 AM
WOLVES SLAUGHTER 18 ELK IN ONE NIGHT ON WYOMING FEEDING GROUNDS. NONE ARE EATEN!
This is what happens when we are not allowed to manage. Warning very heartbreaking for our "other" wildlife.
We had 18 elk slaughtered by wolves on our feedgrounds in one night this week. 16 were calves that were not eaten at all. Killed and left for dead. The other were two pregnant cow elk. The wolves ripped the fetuses from the elk most likely from signs while they were still alive, to later die. Again they did not eat the cows. This makes nearly 70 elk slaughtered by wolves on our feedgrounds alone this winter. That doesn't include anything off the feedgrounds. We must use common sense, decency and real conversations to regulate this issue.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on March 24, 2016, 10:56:38 AM
Post by: Dhoey07 on March 24, 2016, 10:58:27 AM
Post by: WAPatriot on March 24, 2016, 10:59:55 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 24, 2016, 11:07:12 AM
Post by: KFhunter on March 24, 2016, 11:18:41 AM
Our wolf friends will be in soon to tell us how healthy this is for the elk. :bash:
they'll condemn the feeding stations saying it's mans interference and that's not healthy for the Elk, wolves are correcting mans meddling.
or some such
feeding stations need protected or done away with. I'd like to see them protected from wolves. Can I volunteer to provide over watch for the Elk?
Give me a nice cozy tower to sit in with night vision and silenced rifle
Post by: Okanagan on March 24, 2016, 11:25:16 AM
I was surprised when I first learned of canines killing way more than they could eat. It did not fit my received ideas about predators killing only what they need to eat, etc. Coyotes will kill dozens of sheep in one night and perhaps eat the liver of one of them, maybe eat nothing. My guess is that it is fun for the canine to chase and kill prey. Whatever the reason, it is reality. Disney dreamers are ignorant of reality and deal with it by denial.
Post by: idahohuntr on March 24, 2016, 11:27:48 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 24, 2016, 11:44:46 AM
Post by: WAPatriot on March 24, 2016, 11:57:40 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 24, 2016, 12:21:18 PM
What we need is a video of wolves ripping out elk fetus s and not eating but killing show that on king 5 news in Seattle. Better yet if someone's pet gets joy killed get that on video. Wolf huggers spotted
They wouldn't care. As long as the deaths of elk lead to an end of hunting, they're happy. The rest of the "wolves are good, m'kay" crowd are clueless as to the efforts of the anti-hunters. They'll just go along blissfully until the elk are gone and then wonder what happened.
Post by: bhawley76 on March 24, 2016, 12:32:55 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 24, 2016, 12:45:41 PM
Anthro What?:chuckle:
Post by: Bango skank on March 24, 2016, 12:50:26 PM
Its a big mistake for hunters to anthropomorphize predation of elk by wolves...talk population level impacts - not what a horrible tragedy it is for a pregnant cow elk to be killed...those who do are playing right into the anti's hands in perpetuating their message to non-hunters.
Anti hunters anyhropomorphize predators like crazy. Its their specialty. I wonder what the wolves names are :rolleyes:
Post by: trophyhunt on March 24, 2016, 12:58:14 PM
Screw our liberal government agencies in charge, wolves need to die this makes my blood boil.that is the bottom line! Wolves need to die, and in large numbers!!! SHoot and keep shooting, SS. :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: KFhunter on March 24, 2016, 12:59:13 PM
Its a big mistake for hunters to anthropomorphize predation of elk by wolves...talk population level impacts - not what a horrible tragedy it is for a pregnant cow elk to be killed...those who do are playing right into the anti's hands in perpetuating their message to non-hunters.
and now your suddenly the champion of reducing wolf population to help the elk?
When did this happen? No matter I'll welcome you with open arms if you want wolves managed and elk numbers increased.
Post by: Gringo31 on March 24, 2016, 01:02:22 PM
"what do you expect? This is what wolves do" comments.
Post by: idahohuntr on March 24, 2016, 01:15:54 PM
Exactly. Which is why its absolutely stupid for hunters to do the same in perpetuating such a ridiculous narrative. :bash:Its a big mistake for hunters to anthropomorphize predation of elk by wolves...talk population level impacts - not what a horrible tragedy it is for a pregnant cow elk to be killed...those who do are playing right into the anti's hands in perpetuating their message to non-hunters.
Anti hunters anyhropomorphize predators like crazy. Its their specialty. I wonder what the wolves names are :rolleyes:
Post by: bearpaw on March 24, 2016, 01:25:57 PM
Exactly. Which is why its absolutely stupid for hunters to do the same in perpetuating such a ridiculous narrative. :bash:Its a big mistake for hunters to anthropomorphize predation of elk by wolves...talk population level impacts - not what a horrible tragedy it is for a pregnant cow elk to be killed...those who do are playing right into the anti's hands in perpetuating their message to non-hunters.
Anti hunters anyhropomorphize predators like crazy. Its their specialty. I wonder what the wolves names are :rolleyes:
I didn't see anyone naming the elk. Maybe I missed something, I see 20 elk were killed and none eaten, 16 calves, 2 cows, 2 fetuses, what that does is severely limit reproduction. It raises the questions: If those elk were killed and not eaten, how many elk have the wolves actually killed? What impact are those wolves having on the herd? I guess what you get out of the info varies from person to person! :dunno:
Post by: WAPatriot on March 24, 2016, 01:26:16 PM
Post by: jackmaster on March 24, 2016, 01:26:33 PM
Post by: Russ McDonald on March 24, 2016, 01:27:58 PM
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Post by: bobcat on March 24, 2016, 01:36:51 PM
I was waiting for the...
"what do you expect? This is what wolves do" comments.
I would've, but hadn't seen this thread yet. This is what wolves do. I guess I don't understand the point of this thread? :dunno:
Wolves will kill elk whether the wolves are "managed" or not. Does the fact that they sometimes kill more than they can eat mean that we should eliminate wolves entirely?
Is that the point of this thread?
Post by: KFhunter on March 24, 2016, 01:39:34 PM
This one will get hit again and again and again until all of the Elk are dead or quit coming. To stop feeding them might kill them, to continue to feed them will kill them.
a conundrum
Post by: KFhunter on March 24, 2016, 01:41:16 PM
op ed on feeding elk
Post by: WAPatriot on March 24, 2016, 01:41:37 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on March 24, 2016, 01:46:30 PM
Not impossible.
Post by: trophyhunt on March 24, 2016, 01:48:08 PM
yup, kill them all! Plenty of them in Canada and Alaska, we don't need them in the lower 48.I was waiting for the...
"what do you expect? This is what wolves do" comments.
I would've, but hadn't seen this thread yet. This is what wolves do. I guess I don't understand the point of this thread? :dunno:
Wolves will kill elk whether the wolves are "managed" or not. Does the fact that they sometimes kill more than they can eat mean that we should eliminate wolves entirely?
Is that the point of this thread?
Post by: Stein on March 24, 2016, 01:56:06 PM
It's impossible to kill every wolf humans have tried. I wish we could kill them all unfortunately it's impossible. They are just like mosquitoes worthless disease carring devil creatures.
There are only 333 in Wyoming, it wouldn't be a problem at all to get them all in 1-2 seasons. It has been done before with much less effective means than we have available now.
Post by: wolfbait on March 24, 2016, 02:14:50 PM
Its a big mistake for hunters to anthropomorphize predation of elk by wolves...talk population level impacts - not what a horrible tragedy it is for a pregnant cow elk to be killed...those who do are playing right into the anti's hands in perpetuating their message to non-hunters.
anthropomorphize-the attribution of human characteristics or behavior to a god, animal, or object
Really? As more people see the destruction that wolves are and have been causing the less wolves are liked, the same goes for state agencies like WDFW who lie and refuse to control wolves.
As far as the USFWS and WDFW's "environmental groups" lawyers who are doing their bidding, anything hunters etc. say means absolutely nothing in the process of wolf management/control. As many have already stated, wolf control will have to come from the public.
Your statement is totally ludicrous….
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 24, 2016, 02:18:01 PM
It's impossible to kill every wolf humans have tried. I wish we could kill them all unfortunately it's impossible. They are just like mosquitoes worthless disease carring devil creatures.
There are only 333 in Wyoming, it wouldn't be a problem at all to get them all in 1-2 seasons. It has been done before with much less effective means than we have available now.
It was way more effective than now and they succeeded in wiping them out. Trapping and poisoning was much more effective and there's no way we'll be allowed to poison these days. Wolves will never disappear again.
Post by: Stein on March 24, 2016, 02:24:17 PM
It's impossible to kill every wolf humans have tried. I wish we could kill them all unfortunately it's impossible. They are just like mosquitoes worthless disease carring devil creatures.
There are only 333 in Wyoming, it wouldn't be a problem at all to get them all in 1-2 seasons. It has been done before with much less effective means than we have available now.
It was way more effective than now and they succeeded in wiping them out. Trapping and poisoning was much more effective and there's no way we'll be allowed to poison these days. Wolves will never disappear again.
I agree it won't happen, but it is very much possible to do so.
Post by: bhawley76 on March 24, 2016, 02:30:01 PM
Post by: jackmaster on March 24, 2016, 02:34:54 PM
:yeah:yup, kill them all! Plenty of them in Canada and Alaska, we don't need them in the lower 48.I was waiting for the...
"what do you expect? This is what wolves do" comments.
I would've, but hadn't seen this thread yet. This is what wolves do. I guess I don't understand the point of this thread? :dunno:
Wolves will kill elk whether the wolves are "managed" or not. Does the fact that they sometimes kill more than they can eat mean that we should eliminate wolves entirely?
Is that the point of this thread?
Post by: turbo on March 24, 2016, 03:48:15 PM
Post by: buckfvr on March 24, 2016, 04:03:11 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on March 24, 2016, 04:10:19 PM
You watch, one by one the herds will get protected as ending hunting is the single biggest event they can control to slow decline once it gets critical. End hunting, take guns........All part of the plan.
Yea they don't have to get rid of the hunters - just get rid of the game and hunters will disappear - wolves are the anti's new tool.............
Post by: Duckslayer89 on March 24, 2016, 04:16:19 PM
Screw our liberal government agencies in charge, wolves need to die this makes my blood boil.that is the bottom line! Wolves need to die, and in large numbers!!! SHoot and keep shooting, SS. :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
Trophy how long do you think until wolves are running through the elk and deer herds in Kapowsin?
Post by: trophyhunt on March 24, 2016, 04:21:12 PM
honestly, if they aren't there now it won't be long. Scouting at crystal last year I talked with a gentleman that was on horses and spent the night at a lake by Norse peak, he saw a big wolf chasing two cows. As the crow flies, that's not that far from the kapowsin area.Screw our liberal government agencies in charge, wolves need to die this makes my blood boil.that is the bottom line! Wolves need to die, and in large numbers!!! SHoot and keep shooting, SS. :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
Trophy how long do you think until wolves are running through the elk and deer herds in Kapowsin?
Post by: idahohuntr on March 24, 2016, 04:33:20 PM
Since you are not a hunter I don't expect you to understand or care. This strategy of anthropomorphizing wolf predation backfires on hunters - how do you sell this "evil wolf for killing a pregnant elk and ripping out its fetus" argument as bad/wrong/evil to non-hunting voters - but turn around and support something like late season cow tags - the shooting of a pregnant elk where the hunter most likely cuts open the elk and removes the fetus and leaves it in a pile of guts?Its a big mistake for hunters to anthropomorphize predation of elk by wolves...talk population level impacts - not what a horrible tragedy it is for a pregnant cow elk to be killed...those who do are playing right into the anti's hands in perpetuating their message to non-hunters.
anthropomorphize-the attribution of human characteristics or behavior to a god, animal, or object
Really? As more people see the destruction that wolves are and have been causing the less wolves are liked, the same goes for state agencies like WDFW who lie and refuse to control wolves.
As far as the USFWS and WDFW's "environmental groups" lawyers who are doing their bidding, anything hunters etc. say means absolutely nothing in the process of wolf management/control. As many have already stated, wolf control will have to come from the public.
Your statement is totally ludicrous….
Hunters need to focus on population level impacts and general wildlife management at the population level - not gory details of wolves being evil because they kill poor pregnant elk and rip out their fetus....that argument perpetuates the anti's strategy and all their Disney movie story lines.
Post by: Duckslayer89 on March 24, 2016, 04:39:40 PM
honestly, if they aren't there now it won't be long. Scouting at crystal last year I talked with a gentleman that was on horses and spent the night at a lake by Norse peak, he saw a big wolf chasing two cows. As the crow flies, that's not that far from the kapowsin area.Screw our liberal government agencies in charge, wolves need to die this makes my blood boil.that is the bottom line! Wolves need to die, and in large numbers!!! SHoot and keep shooting, SS. :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
Trophy how long do you think until wolves are running through the elk and deer herds in Kapowsin?
ya that's what I was thinking as well. I was up today and made it back in about 6 miles. Saw lots of fawns with does so that was a good sign. There's a new game escapement area off of the 62 road around the 6-7 mile mark on the left. LOADED with cat/coyote sign if anyone is looking for a predator spot. I'm all about taking predators out of there. There's cat sign every few steps it seems like
Post by: wolfbait on March 24, 2016, 05:02:40 PM
Since you are not a hunter I don't expect you to understand or care. This strategy of anthropomorphizing wolf predation backfires on hunters - how do you sell this "evil wolf for killing a pregnant elk and ripping out its fetus" argument as bad/wrong/evil to non-hunting voters - but turn around and support something like late season cow tags - the shooting of a pregnant elk where the hunter most likely cuts open the elk and removes the fetus and leaves it in a pile of guts?Its a big mistake for hunters to anthropomorphize predation of elk by wolves...talk population level impacts - not what a horrible tragedy it is for a pregnant cow elk to be killed...those who do are playing right into the anti's hands in perpetuating their message to non-hunters.
anthropomorphize-the attribution of human characteristics or behavior to a god, animal, or object
Really? As more people see the destruction that wolves are and have been causing the less wolves are liked, the same goes for state agencies like WDFW who lie and refuse to control wolves.
As far as the USFWS and WDFW's "environmental groups" lawyers who are doing their bidding, anything hunters etc. say means absolutely nothing in the process of wolf management/control. As many have already stated, wolf control will have to come from the public.
Your statement is totally ludicrous….
Hunters need to focus on population level impacts and general wildlife management at the population level - not gory details of wolves being evil because they kill poor pregnant elk and rip out their fetus....that argument perpetuates the anti's strategy and all their Disney movie story lines.
Keep digging Idaho-h……….
The picture above and videos like is shown below, show a side of the wolf that the pro-wolf crowd don't like the public to see.
middle fork 0001
Post by: Okanagan on March 24, 2016, 05:36:40 PM
Since you are not a hunter I don't expect you to understand or care. This strategy of anthropomorphizing wolf predation backfires on hunters - how do you sell this "evil wolf for killing a pregnant elk and ripping out its fetus" argument as bad/wrong/evil to non-hunting voters - but turn around and support something like late season cow tags - the shooting of a pregnant elk where the hunter most likely cuts open the elk and removes the fetus and leaves it in a pile of guts?Its a big mistake for hunters to anthropomorphize predation of elk by wolves...talk population level impacts - not what a horrible tragedy it is for a pregnant cow elk to be killed...those who do are playing right into the anti's hands in perpetuating their message to non-hunters.
anthropomorphize-the attribution of human characteristics or behavior to a god, animal, or object
Really? As more people see the destruction that wolves are and have been causing the less wolves are liked, the same goes for state agencies like WDFW who lie and refuse to control wolves.
As far as the USFWS and WDFW's "environmental groups" lawyers who are doing their bidding, anything hunters etc. say means absolutely nothing in the process of wolf management/control. As many have already stated, wolf control will have to come from the public.
Your statement is totally ludicrous….
Hunters need to focus on population level impacts and general wildlife management at the population level - not gory details of wolves being evil because they kill poor pregnant elk and rip out their fetus....that argument perpetuates the anti's strategy and all their Disney movie story lines.
Puzzling posts, importing some agenda from outside of this thread. :dunno: I read through the entire thread and haven't seen anyone anthropomorphizing wolf predation. You seem to be accusing the wrong people at least so far on this thread. Maybe I missed a line somewhere but it looks like you are the first and only one to use the moral word "evil" in connection with wolves. I don't have to attribute human feelings nor morality to either elk or wolves to be disappointed that wolves killed that many elk in a short span of time.
Post by: Casey on March 24, 2016, 05:40:11 PM
Post by: mfswallace on March 24, 2016, 06:27:43 PM
Since you are not a hunter I don't expect you to understand or care. This strategy of anthropomorphizing wolf predation backfires on hunters - how do you sell this "evil wolf for killing a pregnant elk and ripping out its fetus" argument as bad/wrong/evil to non-hunting voters - but turn around and support something like late season cow tags - the shooting of a pregnant elk where the hunter most likely cuts open the elk and removes the fetus and leaves it in a pile of guts?Its a big mistake for hunters to anthropomorphize predation of elk by wolves...talk population level impacts - not what a horrible tragedy it is for a pregnant cow elk to be killed...those who do are playing right into the anti's hands in perpetuating their message to non-hunters.
anthropomorphize-the attribution of human characteristics or behavior to a god, animal, or object
Really? As more people see the destruction that wolves are and have been causing the less wolves are liked, the same goes for state agencies like WDFW who lie and refuse to control wolves.
As far as the USFWS and WDFW's "environmental groups" lawyers who are doing their bidding, anything hunters etc. say means absolutely nothing in the process of wolf management/control. As many have already stated, wolf control will have to come from the public.
Your statement is totally ludicrous….
Hunters need to focus on population level impacts and general wildlife management at the population level - not gory details of wolves being evil because they kill poor pregnant elk and rip out their fetus....that argument perpetuates the anti's strategy and all their Disney movie story lines.
Puzzling posts, importing some agenda from outside of this thread. :dunno: I read through the entire thread and haven't seen anyone anthropomorphizing wolf predation. You seem to be accusing the wrong people at least so far on this thread. Maybe I missed a line somewhere but it looks like you are the first and only one to use the moral word "evil" in connection with wolves. I don't have to attribute human feelings nor morality to either elk or wolves to be disappointed that wolves killed that many elk in a short span of time.
It's not worth pointing out the obvious with idahohunter or bobcat, they are pro-wdfwolf and just like to tell others its not really a problem that wolves decimate ungulates and pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
Post by: kentrek on March 24, 2016, 07:05:14 PM
I heard they put a couple wolves in toutle. Also heard someone killed one and he went to take a picture. When he did they put something on it that can track your phone and he got busted.
Is this for real ?
WhIle it's not a stretch for wolves to make it to the toutle, i doubt they moved any there and I really doubt there's anything that can track your phone by just be around a dead wolf :dunno:
I've spent a ridiculous amount of time around there this winter and have yet to fund a single track
Post by: Casey on March 24, 2016, 07:10:45 PM
I heard they put a couple wolves in toutle. Also heard someone killed one and he went to take a picture. When he did they put something on it that can track your phone and he got busted.
Is this for real ?
WhIle it's not a stretch for wolves to make it to the toutle, i doubt they moved any there and I really doubt there's anything that can track your phone by just be around a dead wolf :dunno:
I've spent a ridiculous amount of time around there this winter and have yet to fund a single track
I talked to a worker up there him and another guy both saw them. It's a male and a female as of now( what I heard not sure if it's only 2). I heard it's something that gets your phone number or something. What I heard is they tracked his phone and found his address. I think it had a collar around its neck. My dad and I talked to other hunters while hunting around there and they said they've seen wolves in the area down there.
Post by: kentrek on March 24, 2016, 07:16:01 PM
Or leave tracks.....
Or howl....
Must be a different kind of wolf
Post by: Ridgeratt on March 24, 2016, 07:53:09 PM
Those don't look like the sick and the old.
Maybe they knew there was something else wrong with them and they chose not to eat them?
Post by: buglebrush on March 24, 2016, 08:27:01 PM
We should've been hunting wolves for years already in the NE corner. WDFW makes me sick!
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 25, 2016, 06:51:22 AM
Kill them... When will this ridiculous state wake-up?!!
We should've been hunting wolves for years already in the NE corner. WDFW makes me sick!
You do realize that above referenced incident happened in WY, right? Not that I disagree with about killing wolves in WA, but...
Post by: wolfbait on March 25, 2016, 09:15:43 AM
Kill them... When will this ridiculous state wake-up?!!
We should've been hunting wolves for years already in the NE corner. WDFW makes me sick!
You do realize that above referenced incident happened in WY, right? Not that I disagree with about killing wolves in WA, but...
Doesn't really matter which state these wolves "migrate" to, the outcome is the same.
Post by: wolfbait on March 25, 2016, 10:01:23 AM
"According to Mike Jimenez, the Northern Rocky Mountain Wolf Coordinator for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, surplus killings are extremely rare for wolves."
"By and large, wolves don't kill for sport," said Jimenez. "We did an eight year study and we looked at elk feedgrounds. What we found is that generally wolves did not kill what they did not eat."
http://www.kbzk.com/story/31562121/wyoming-wolves-kill-19-elk-in-suspected-surplus-killing?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_KBZK_TV
What's one more lie from the USFWS?
WOLF IMPACTS
Wolf impacts underestimated
According to the Wyoming Game and Fish Department, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service grossly underestimated the impact of a reintroduced population of wolves.
• The wolf population in the Greater Yellowstone area in 2005 was at least 3.3 times the original environmental impact statement prediction for a recovered population.
• The number of breeding pairs of wolves in the GYA in 2005 was at least twice as high as the original EIS prediction and the number of breeding pairs in 2004 was at least 3.1 times the original EIS prediction.
• In 2005, the wolf population in Wyoming outside Yellowstone National Park exceeded the recovery criteria for the entire region and continues to increase rapidly.
• The estimated annual predation rate (22 ungulates per wolf) is 1.8 times the annual predation rate (12 ungulates per wolf) predicted in the EIS.
• The estimated number of ungulates taken by 325 wolves in a year (7,150) is six times higher than the original EIS prediction.
• The percent of the northern Yellowstone elk harvest during the 1980s currently taken by wolves (50 percent) is 6.3 times the original estimate of eight percent projected in the EIS.
• The actual decline in the northern Yellowstone elk herd (more than 50 percent) is 1.7 times the maximum decline originally forecast in the EIS.
• The actual decline in cow harvest in the northern Yellowstone elk herd (89 percent) is 3.3 times the decline originally forecast in the EIS.
• The actual decline in bull harvest in the northern Yellowstone elk herd is 75 percent, whereas the 1994 EIS predicted bull harvests would be “unaffected.”
• Since wolf introduction, average ratios of calf elk to cow elk have been greatly \depressed in the northern Yellowstone elk herd and in the Wyoming elk herds impacted by wolves. In the northern Yellowstone elk herd and in the Sunlight unit of the Clarks Fork herd, calf:cow rations have been suppressed to unprecedented levels below 15 calves per 100. The impact of wolves on calf recruitment was not addressed by the 1994 EIS.
WG&F stated: “Despite research findings in Idaho and the Greater Yellowstone Area, and monitoring evidence in Wyoming that indicate wolf predation is having an impact on ungulate populations that will reduce hunter opportunity if the current impact levels persist, the Service continues to rigidly deny wolf predation is a problem.”
The 1994 EIS predicted that presence of wolves would result in a 5-10 percent increase in annual visitation to Yellowstone National Park. On this basis, the EIS forecast wolves in the region would generate $20 million in revenue to the states of Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming. WG&F reports that annual park visitation remained essentially unchanged after wolf introduction, and has decreased 2.6 percent since the wolf population reached recovery goals in 2000.
“ Since park visitation did not increase as originally forecast, the Service cannot legitimately conclude presence of wolves has had any appreciable effect on net tourism revenues,” WG&F stated.
WG&F stated: “Wolf presence can be ecologically compatible in the GYA only to the extent that the distribution and numbers of wolves are controlled and maintained at approximately the levels originally predicted by the 1994 EIS –100 wolves and 10 breeding pairs.” WG&F maintained that FWS “has a permanent, legal obligation to manage wolves at the levels on which the wolf recovery program was originally predicated, the levels described by the impact analysis in the 1994 EIS.”
http://www.pinedaleonline.com/wolf/wolfimpacts.htm
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 25, 2016, 10:08:57 AM
Post by: Kittman on March 25, 2016, 11:01:05 AM
Post by: wolfbait on March 25, 2016, 03:50:05 PM
Post by: jackmaster on March 25, 2016, 04:52:24 PM
Post by: wolfbait on March 25, 2016, 04:53:49 PM
sent from a friend...
WOLVES SLAUGHTER 18 ELK IN ONE NIGHT ON WYOMING FEEDING GROUNDS. NONE ARE EATEN!
This is what happens when we are not allowed to manage. Warning very heartbreaking for our "other" wildlife.
We had 18 elk slaughtered by wolves on our feedgrounds in one night this week. 16 were calves that were not eaten at all. Killed and left for dead. The other were two pregnant cow elk. The wolves ripped the fetuses from the elk most likely from signs while they were still alive, to later die. Again they did not eat the cows. This makes nearly 70 elk slaughtered by wolves on our feedgrounds alone this winter. That doesn't include anything off the feedgrounds. We must use common sense, decency and real conversations to regulate this issue.
The Cover-Up of Wolves and What They DO!
Please note the picture above. It is a late-March of 2016 picture from Wyoming and you will probably never see it again nor even hear of it. You see:
- Wolves don’t do such things.
- Elk, like Minnesota moose, are disappearing due to global warming and ticks and definitely not wolf predation.
- It is a Myth (like the time Kermit the Frog yelled, “it’s a Myth, Myth” and Miss Piggy comes on stage saying, “Yeth, Yeth”) that wolves eradicate game animals and hunting.
- Protecting livestock like sheep and cattle from wolves means simply exerting a Little Effort like 24/27 shepherds and guard dogs and electric fences and fladry and noise makers and taste aversion and tank traps (I just made that one up) –none of which work more than temporarily.
- Wolves are good for “the ecosystem” (which is whatever you want to make of “it” from the ecosystem in your yard to the North American Continent).
- Wolves are wonderful to hear howling, it is a sign of “wilderness”. (Please note, everywhere wolves now occur in the Lower 48 States, coyotes were or are present. Coyotes once howled and yipped in the evenings but in the presence of wolves they quickly learn to remain silent because when wolves hear them they zero in on them and kill them at every opportunity.)
All of the above are lies believed by an urban general public that: A.) Does not live with nor is not affected by wolves, B.) Feels guilty about European settlement of North America or the presence of plants and animals not present here before 1492 when Columbus set foot on a Caribbean beach, or C.) Desires to eliminate all human use or ownership of animals from hunting and animal husbandry to animal control and the right to bear arms.
Organizations that raise millions from such folks will do whatever they must to keep reporting of and especially such pictures of wolf carnage from being published or circulated.
Federal politicians that passed the unjust laws that began the wolf introductions and protections do not want such publicity to unmask the perfidy of what they have done.
Current federal politicians that ignore this issue and refuse to give any more than lip service (tsk, tsk, etc.) to solving what their predecessors wrought do not want such publicity about their ongoing cowardly betrayal of rural Americans.
Federal bureaucrats utilizing the wolf carnage and the un-Constitutional laws that give them powers superior to states and the Constitution simply lie, shrug and blame others like a professional boxer jokingly “sparring” with amateurs. The increased power and salary and retirement this gives them; makes them ruthless in suppressing photos and reporting about such carnage.
State bureaucrats, likewise bob and weave with a “me-too” alibi that mimics their federal “partners” malarkey about “wolves never”, “wolves always”, “global warming”, phony “counts”, etc. Like the drivers of the “getaway car” they are complicit up to their ears in the whole scam for their own benefit camouflaged as “ecosystem beneficence”.
The media (TV News, Newspapers, Documentaries, Magazines, etc.) have all bought in to the kindly wolf myths for reasons as diverse as; “it sells”, “we get money to do so”, “our staffs are all urban ideologues”, “our political ideology/Party supports this for votes”, to “our teachers filled our heads with so much mush in school that we are incapable of seeing the truth of the matter.”
A few facts you won’t hear elsewhere:
- Wolves frequently kill wintering deer or elk in large numbers without eating them just like a pack of domestic dogs that get loose will kill chickens or sheep they encounter for what we mistakenly call “fun” but is in reality the same thing Indians did when they drove buffalo over cliffs in numbers far exceeding what they could or ever eat or otherwise utilize.
- A couple of years ago on the Wyoming/Idaho border a wolf pack killed a hundred and some sheep for “fun” one dark night.
- Wolves have destroyed Minnesota moose hunting by depleting Minnesota moose.
- Wolves have all but destroyed the once 20,000 elk in the Northern Yellowstone elk herd just as they are doing to moose, elk and deer in Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Oregon, Washington, Wisconsin, and will do in Arizona, New Mexico, Utah, Colorado and Texas if the federal government forces them into those states.
- It is not at all uncommon that wolves hamstring (tear the tendons in the rear legs thus causing the animal to collapse helplessly) pregnant elk, moose, cows, ewes, does, etc. with developed fetuses and then immediately while the adult female lives to begin tearing out the anal area to make a big enough hole to pull out and devour the fetus and then leave the cow, doe, ewe, etc. to die a horrible, lingering and painful (for all you animal rights/wolf advocates) death.
- As big game goes in the West, so goes ranching and rural communities.
- Wolves are spreading down through Illinois and Indiana and Missouri to infest Arkansas, Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi and Tennessee from which they are expected to “hook up with” (to coin a modern expression) government wolves and coyotes and dogs (making puppies along the way) in the Carolinas and in Oklahoma and Texas rolling Eastward from New Mexico.
The same things are happening in Europe. As Europeans do their minuets with Islamic terrorists, wolves are all over now for the first time in a few hundred years and they are increasing in numbers and densities. Formerly efficient use of suburban/rural forage by sheep and shepherds has been and is being violently and terminally (?) ended as wolf predation, mostly unarmed shepherds, and insane wolf protections combines to kill thousands of sheep annually and put many shepherds “on the dole”. Rural life is, as in US “wolf country”, less profitable and more dangerous for unarmed citizens, children and the elderly. When the Lufthansa pilot flew his airplane into the Alps, one of the policemen guarding the site for several days opined, “Our biggest worry was ALL THE WOLVES scavenging the site and consuming human body parts!” Ask yourself; where else have you heard or will you hear any of this?
Jim Beers
25 March 2016
Post by: wolfbait on March 25, 2016, 05:03:26 PM
I am gonna try and learn how to do this but until then after this stuff all over Facebook and stuff, especially those studies and pics, pics really hit home, especially with the younger generation, I have only seen the first pic of the dead 18 elk from Wyoming.. everyone needs to share this, make good comments that dont offend the leaf lickn, tree huggin, wolf humpn idiots. Its is possible to change their views, I have changed a couple ladies minds about wolves that I didn't think was possible. It is.. plaster this stuff guys..
:tup:
It's surprising the number of people who once thought that wolves were as great as the USFWS, WDFW, etc. proclaimed. Everywhere I go I talk to people about wolves, and the devastation they have caused and are causing. I give them web sites to go to so that they can research the other side of the wolves.
Nine times out of ten they change their perspective, this adds to our fight against the fraud and corruption of the wolf introduction as they share what they have learned with family and friends.
Post by: jackmaster on March 25, 2016, 05:09:06 PM
:yeah: alot of people just go along with whoever they hear it from first, without even educating themselves, the more factual, and sadly to say gruesome pics and info they see the better it will be for our deer, elk, moose, sheep, goat and few woodland caribou we have ..I am gonna try and learn how to do this but until then after this stuff all over Facebook and stuff, especially those studies and pics, pics really hit home, especially with the younger generation, I have only seen the first pic of the dead 18 elk from Wyoming.. everyone needs to share this, make good comments that dont offend the leaf lickn, tree huggin, wolf humpn idiots. Its is possible to change their views, I have changed a couple ladies minds about wolves that I didn't think was possible. It is.. plaster this stuff guys..
:tup:
It's surprising the number of people who once thought that wolves were as great as the USFWS, WDFW, etc. proclaimed. Everywhere I go I talk to people about wolves, and the devastation they have caused and are causing. I give them web sites to go to so that they can research the other side of the wolves.
Nine times out of ten they change their perspective, this adds to our fight against the fraud and corruption of the wolf introduction as they share what they have learned with family and friends.
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 26, 2016, 07:11:16 AM
Post by: wolfbait on March 26, 2016, 07:33:07 AM
You guys must be magic then because I have yet to find a pro-wolfer who changes their stance. :dunno:
Many people have only seen the info. from mainstream media etc.. Talking to them, and giving them web sites that show what you are saying is true, makes the difference. There are those that will follow the Hillary's regardless of the truth, and It doesn't take too long to realize which ones those are, I don't waste my time on them, but they still get the web sites, then it's their decision to wallow in their ignorance.
Look at H-W in the last 8 years, how many people have changed their perception of wolves do to the info. that has been provided? How many people still think WDFW will do the right thing concerning the wolves and predation on the ungulates and livestock?
It's not magic P-man, it's knowledge.
Post by: jackmaster on March 26, 2016, 10:13:48 AM
:yeah:You guys must be magic then because I have yet to find a pro-wolfer who changes their stance. :dunno:
Many people have only seen the info. from mainstream media etc.. Talking to them, and giving them web sites that show what you are saying is true, makes the difference. There are those that will follow the Hillary's regardless of the truth, and It doesn't take to long to realize which ones those are, I don't waste my time on them, but they still get the web sites, then it's their decision to wallow in their ignorance.
Look at H-W in the last 8 years, how many people have changed their perception of wolves do to the info. that has been provided? How many people still think WDFW will do the right thing concerning the wolves and predation on the ungulates and livestock?
It's not magic P-man, it's knowledge.
Post by: MtnMuley on March 27, 2016, 08:35:42 PM
Some people never cease to amaze me........
Post by: steen on March 27, 2016, 09:25:41 PM
Can someone put this on Facebook? I would except I have no idea how to, it would be good for people of the Facebook world to see this... it will happen in the feeding stations here soon thats for sure...I saw it on Facebook first already!
Post by: buglebrush on March 27, 2016, 10:42:01 PM
Kill them... When will this ridiculous state wake-up?!!
We should've been hunting wolves for years already in the NE corner. WDFW makes me sick!
You do realize that above referenced incident happened in WY, right? Not that I disagree with about killing wolves in WA, but...
Yes I do. What a wolf does in Wyoming a wolf does in Washington.
Post by: wolfbait on March 28, 2016, 12:19:35 PM
Wolfbait, "since you are not a hunter" :chuckle:
Some people never cease to amaze me........
It amuses me M-Muley, they are like little kids. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: idahohuntr on March 28, 2016, 02:13:41 PM
What are you guys doing out of your bunker? Aren't you still afraid of the chem trails and vaccines poisoning you? :chuckle: :chuckle: :tinfoil:Wolfbait, "since you are not a hunter" :chuckle:
Some people never cease to amaze me........
It amuses me M-Muley, they are like little kids. :chuckle: :chuckle:
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,183727.msg2424853.html#msg2424853
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,176131.msg2332468.html#msg2332468
Post by: wolfbait on March 28, 2016, 02:29:50 PM
What are you guys doing out of your bunker? Aren't you still afraid of the chem trails and vaccines poisoning you? :chuckle: :chuckle: :tinfoil:Wolfbait, "since you are not a hunter" :chuckle:
Some people never cease to amaze me........
It amuses me M-Muley, they are like little kids. :chuckle: :chuckle:
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,183727.msg2424853.html#msg2424853
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,176131.msg2332468.html#msg2332468
Like I said, just like a little kid…….. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: mfswallace on March 28, 2016, 02:40:13 PM
Post by: wolfbait on March 30, 2016, 01:01:14 PM
http://www.jhnewsandguide.com/opinion/columnists/cowboy_common_sense/what-really-happens-if-we-stop-feeding-elk/article_792e8bed-a6bf-5389-8252-53854453720a.html
op ed on feeding elk
Good write up KF, thanks for posting :tup:
Post by: WAcoueshunter on March 30, 2016, 01:56:50 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/25/us/wyoming-wolf-pack-elk-slaughter/?iid=ob_homepage_deskrecommended_pool&iref=obnetwork
Post by: stewcamp on August 01, 2016, 12:07:32 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 01, 2016, 12:14:49 PM
Name one pro-wolfer on this site whose opinion you or anyone else has changed. I don't think it's happened. These people don't listen to knowledge and facts. They listen only to their own little hearts and emotions. If one of them has changed, it's due to magic of some form, like voodoo or some druid stuff.You guys must be magic then because I have yet to find a pro-wolfer who changes their stance. :dunno:
Many people have only seen the info. from mainstream media etc.. Talking to them, and giving them web sites that show what you are saying is true, makes the difference. There are those that will follow the Hillary's regardless of the truth, and It doesn't take too long to realize which ones those are, I don't waste my time on them, but they still get the web sites, then it's their decision to wallow in their ignorance.
Look at H-W in the last 8 years, how many people have changed their perception of wolves do to the info. that has been provided? How many people still think WDFW will do the right thing concerning the wolves and predation on the ungulates and livestock?
It's not magic P-man, it's knowledge.
Post by: Special T on August 01, 2016, 02:09:59 PM
Bart from Pondoray something coyote screen name. He used to sing all the BS about wolves and now has moderated his tone. IDKevin if he has changed his mind as much as he has seen the effects first hand as isn't willing to go to bat like he used to.Name one pro-wolfer on this site whose opinion you or anyone else has changed. I don't think it's happened. These people don't listen to knowledge and facts. They listen only to their own little hearts and emotions. If one of them has changed, it's due to magic of some form, like voodoo or some druid stuff.You guys must be magic then because I have yet to find a pro-wolfer who changes their stance. :dunno:
Many people have only seen the info. from mainstream media etc.. Talking to them, and giving them web sites that show what you are saying is true, makes the difference. There are those that will follow the Hillary's regardless of the truth, and It doesn't take too long to realize which ones those are, I don't waste my time on them, but they still get the web sites, then it's their decision to wallow in their ignorance.
Look at H-W in the last 8 years, how many people have changed their perception of wolves do to the info. that has been provided? How many people still think WDFW will do the right thing concerning the wolves and predation on the ungulates and livestock?
It's not magic P-man, it's knowledge.
Post by: bearpaw on August 01, 2016, 03:47:36 PM
http://www.jhnewsandguide.com/opinion/columnists/cowboy_common_sense/what-really-happens-if-we-stop-feeding-elk/article_792e8bed-a6bf-5389-8252-53854453720a.html
op ed on feeding elk
great story, it made me consider that feeding is only really some mitigation for all the lost winter habitat due to human encroachment