Post by: grundy53 on March 30, 2016, 06:19:41 PM
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Post by: Skillet on March 30, 2016, 06:34:32 PM
What's worse, is I tend to look at my hunting bretheran with more suspicion now when a monster is killed because of it.
Out of season, closed units, game farm animals, etc.
I'm not convinced social media has advanced our species. It shows just how low that limbo bar can go.
Post by: Bean Counter on March 30, 2016, 07:40:10 PM
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Post by: andrew_in_idaho on March 30, 2016, 08:06:23 PM
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Post by: JDHasty on March 30, 2016, 08:12:55 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on March 30, 2016, 09:12:50 PM
Post by: Timberstalker on March 30, 2016, 09:14:36 PM
Post by: JLS on March 30, 2016, 09:25:20 PM
The headless body was located by locals. DNA a single hair and the guy is toast.
There's no need to DNA a hair. He admitted to shooting it in November and putting his 2nd whitetail buck tag on it.
Post by: westside Elkhunter on March 31, 2016, 06:48:34 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 31, 2016, 07:40:04 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on March 31, 2016, 07:57:53 AM
Post by: JDHasty on March 31, 2016, 08:06:29 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 31, 2016, 08:10:28 AM
A friend from Montana emailed me and says the guy works at a high school as sports director. I don't see how the District keeps him in that position if that is the case.
I'm sure they have rules on breaking the law and to which extent it's an issue of employment. Some schools also have ethics laws.
Post by: Gringo31 on March 31, 2016, 08:27:05 AM
Totally robbed the folks who watched him, knew of him and kept folks awake at night wondering where to find him during hunting season. That buck in all of his glory will now only be a waste or a reminder of it's life being stolen from the folks that enjoyed him.
Post by: JDHasty on March 31, 2016, 08:31:30 AM
A friend from Montana emailed me and says the guy works at a high school as sports director. I don't see how the District keeps him in that position if that is the case.
I'm sure they have rules on breaking the law and to which extent it's an issue of employment. Some schools also have ethics laws.
From the comments in this article:
"Are you freaking nuts Nate Strong poached that deer with the wrong tag and out of season. He should be hung. And fired from his Sublette county district #9 freaking job. I hope they nail him for a Lacey Act Violation."
http://sweetwaternow.com/105688-2/
Looks like the "natives are restless" - first they are calling to have him hung, and then after he is hung - fire him from his School District job. So where is that going to leave the property owner who is threatening a civil law suit on top of all of everything else he is facing.
Did you tell G&F that you found the body and where? I can only presume Hoback Ranches since that’s where he’s been living. I saw him on November 4th and 6th in there. Please private message us. We would like to proceed with a civil suit if we can prove he took it on private lands.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on March 31, 2016, 08:44:54 AM
Post by: Gringo31 on March 31, 2016, 08:51:47 AM
Post by: Dhoey07 on March 31, 2016, 09:14:31 AM
Sadly, it's not shocking to me that people will cheat to kill a big animal anymore.
What's worse, is I tend to look at my hunting bretheran with more suspicion now when a monster is killed because of it.
Out of season, closed units, game farm animals, etc.
I'm not convinced social media has advanced our species. It shows just how low that limbo bar can go.
Anymore? This isn't anything new.
Post by: Alaskan on March 31, 2016, 10:35:02 AM
Post by: JDHasty on March 31, 2016, 12:01:50 PM
http://www.gohunt.com/read/news/breaking-story-230-inch-mule-deer-buck-poached-in-wyoming
From the comments:
Ken Z. - posted 1 hour ago on 03-31-2016 10:10:15 am
St. Charles, IL
goHUNT INSIDER
No surprise at all coming from Utah Expo, the capital of commercialized hunting. Why should citizens obey the rules and laws when their own wildlife board does not?! (See RFP) What do Utah & Wyoming expect when they are the #1 & #2 states in stealing public opportunity and putting those tags on the auction block??? They are reaping what they are sowing. Sorry, definitely not defending this citizen, just pointing out a fact. Another cancerous residual effect of SFW's model for wildlife conservation.
http://www.gohunt.com/read/news/breaking-story-230-inch-mule-deer-buck-poached-in-wyoming
From the comments:
Lyle P. - posted 51 minutes ago on 03-31-2016 11:02:58 am
Scottsdale, AZ, and Vancouver, WA
goHUNT INSIDER
I grandfather said you know if you have ethics by how you act when no one is looking. If the facts of this case are as seem to be then this is a common thief that deserves to spend time in jail. I think of the instances where someone gets a ticket for a game violation and is ignorance on the part of the violator rather than an attempt to gain an unfair advantage. Perhaps is using camo orange vest when statutes say has to be solid orange. I call those ticky-tacky. Still a violation but was not stealing from you or me. Then you have a case like what this appears to be where someone intentionally breaks the law to steal a mule deer from everyone else. That should merit jail time. To involve a trophy-class mule deer intentionally shot out of season without possessing a valid tag for that deer is blatant theft that deserves significant jail time, loss of hunting and fishing rights for life and shunning by those of us that try our best to not violate any statutes and to hunt ethically.
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 31, 2016, 12:34:32 PM
Sadly, it's not shocking to me that people will cheat to kill a big animal anymore.
What's worse, is I tend to look at my hunting bretheran with more suspicion now when a monster is killed because of it.
Out of season, closed units, game farm animals, etc.
I'm not convinced social media has advanced our species. It shows just how low that limbo bar can go.
Anymore? This isn't anything new.
:yeah: It's like saying "kids nowadays!" There have always been poachers and as long as there's game left, there always will. As we march into the future, hopefully we'll get better at catching them. And maybe even prosecuting them here in WA.
Post by: Skillet on March 31, 2016, 01:08:58 PM
Better?
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 31, 2016, 01:17:45 PM
Post by: JLS on March 31, 2016, 05:08:38 PM
I don't believe the Lacey Act applies because he didn't sell the buck or its parts.
It doesn't have to be sold to constitute a Lacy Act violation, it only has to be transported across a state line.
Post by: JLS on March 31, 2016, 05:10:44 PM
A friend from Montana emailed me and says the guy works at a high school as sports director. I don't see how the District keeps him in that position if that is the case.
I'm sure they have rules on breaking the law and to which extent it's an issue of employment. Some schools also have ethics laws.
From the comments in this article:
"Are you freaking nuts Nate Strong poached that deer with the wrong tag and out of season. He should be hung. And fired from his Sublette county district #9 freaking job. I hope they nail him for a Lacey Act Violation."
http://sweetwaternow.com/105688-2/
Looks like the "natives are restless" - first they are calling to have him hung, and then after he is hung - fire him from his School District job. So where is that going to leave the property owner who is threatening a civil law suit on top of all of everything else he is facing.
Did you tell G&F that you found the body and where? I can only presume Hoback Ranches since that’s where he’s been living. I saw him on November 4th and 6th in there. Please private message us. We would like to proceed with a civil suit if we can prove he took it on private lands.
It's going to be pretty hard for them to sue him civilly for taking an animal that belonged to the state of Wyoming. Unless their laws are markedly different, a private landowner can't seek civil restitution for the loss of an animal that belonged to the people of the state.
Post by: saylean on March 31, 2016, 05:22:29 PM
Post by: JDHasty on March 31, 2016, 05:53:10 PM
A friend from Montana emailed me and says the guy works at a high school as sports director. I don't see how the District keeps him in that position if that is the case.
I'm sure they have rules on breaking the law and to which extent it's an issue of employment. Some schools also have ethics laws.
From the comments in this article:
"Are you freaking nuts Nate Strong poached that deer with the wrong tag and out of season. He should be hung. And fired from his Sublette county district #9 freaking job. I hope they nail him for a Lacey Act Violation."
http://sweetwaternow.com/105688-2/
Looks like the "natives are restless" - first they are calling to have him hung, and then after he is hung - fire him from his School District job. So where is that going to leave the property owner who is threatening a civil law suit on top of all of everything else he is facing.
Did you tell G&F that you found the body and where? I can only presume Hoback Ranches since that’s where he’s been living. I saw him on November 4th and 6th in there. Please private message us. We would like to proceed with a civil suit if we can prove he took it on private lands.
It's going to be pretty hard for them to sue him civilly for taking an animal that belonged to the state of Wyoming. Unless their laws are markedly different, a private landowner can't seek civil restitution for the loss of an animal that belonged to the people of the state.
Trespass in which an animal was taken and the loss of that animal affects their ability to attract paying customers may well be.
Post by: JLS on March 31, 2016, 06:02:37 PM
A friend from Montana emailed me and says the guy works at a high school as sports director. I don't see how the District keeps him in that position if that is the case.
I'm sure they have rules on breaking the law and to which extent it's an issue of employment. Some schools also have ethics laws.
From the comments in this article:
"Are you freaking nuts Nate Strong poached that deer with the wrong tag and out of season. He should be hung. And fired from his Sublette county district #9 freaking job. I hope they nail him for a Lacey Act Violation."
http://sweetwaternow.com/105688-2/
Looks like the "natives are restless" - first they are calling to have him hung, and then after he is hung - fire him from his School District job. So where is that going to leave the property owner who is threatening a civil law suit on top of all of everything else he is facing.
Did you tell G&F that you found the body and where? I can only presume Hoback Ranches since that’s where he’s been living. I saw him on November 4th and 6th in there. Please private message us. We would like to proceed with a civil suit if we can prove he took it on private lands.
It's going to be pretty hard for them to sue him civilly for taking an animal that belonged to the state of Wyoming. Unless their laws are markedly different, a private landowner can't seek civil restitution for the loss of an animal that belonged to the people of the state.
Trespass in which an animal was taken and the loss of that animal affects their ability to attract paying customers may well be.
They can have him cited for trespass certainly. However, the animal does not belong specifically to them. If I shot their prize Angus bull then they could sue me civilly. They don't own the deer. In order to show a monetary loss they would have to show that this impacted them financially. It's not a game farm.
Post by: JDHasty on March 31, 2016, 07:58:09 PM
A friend from Montana emailed me and says the guy works at a high school as sports director. I don't see how the District keeps him in that position if that is the case.
I'm sure they have rules on breaking the law and to which extent it's an issue of employment. Some schools also have ethics laws.
From the comments in this article:
"Are you freaking nuts Nate Strong poached that deer with the wrong tag and out of season. He should be hung. And fired from his Sublette county district #9 freaking job. I hope they nail him for a Lacey Act Violation."
http://sweetwaternow.com/105688-2/
Looks like the "natives are restless" - first they are calling to have him hung, and then after he is hung - fire him from his School District job. So where is that going to leave the property owner who is threatening a civil law suit on top of all of everything else he is facing.
Did you tell G&F that you found the body and where? I can only presume Hoback Ranches since that’s where he’s been living. I saw him on November 4th and 6th in there. Please private message us. We would like to proceed with a civil suit if we can prove he took it on private lands.
It's going to be pretty hard for them to sue him civilly for taking an animal that belonged to the state of Wyoming. Unless their laws are markedly different, a private landowner can't seek civil restitution for the loss of an animal that belonged to the people of the state.
Trespass in which an animal was taken and the loss of that animal affects their ability to attract paying customers may well be.
They can have him cited for trespass certainly. However, the animal does not belong specifically to them. If I shot their prize Angus bull then they could sue me civilly. They don't own the deer. In order to show a monetary loss they would have to show that this impacted them financially. It's not a game farm.
I agree w/you. What I posted was a quote and I posted the link so the property owner may believe they have a civil case.
Post by: Dhoey07 on April 01, 2016, 07:30:05 AM
A friend from Montana emailed me and says the guy works at a high school as sports director. I don't see how the District keeps him in that position if that is the case.
I'm sure they have rules on breaking the law and to which extent it's an issue of employment. Some schools also have ethics laws.
From the comments in this article:
"Are you freaking nuts Nate Strong poached that deer with the wrong tag and out of season. He should be hung. And fired from his Sublette county district #9 freaking job. I hope they nail him for a Lacey Act Violation."
http://sweetwaternow.com/105688-2/
Looks like the "natives are restless" - first they are calling to have him hung, and then after he is hung - fire him from his School District job. So where is that going to leave the property owner who is threatening a civil law suit on top of all of everything else he is facing.
Did you tell G&F that you found the body and where? I can only presume Hoback Ranches since that’s where he’s been living. I saw him on November 4th and 6th in there. Please private message us. We would like to proceed with a civil suit if we can prove he took it on private lands.
It's going to be pretty hard for them to sue him civilly for taking an animal that belonged to the state of Wyoming. Unless their laws are markedly different, a private landowner can't seek civil restitution for the loss of an animal that belonged to the people of the state.
Trespass in which an animal was taken and the loss of that animal affects their ability to attract paying customers may well be.
They can have him cited for trespass certainly. However, the animal does not belong specifically to them. If I shot their prize Angus bull then they could sue me civilly. They don't own the deer. In order to show a monetary loss they would have to show that this impacted them financially. It's not a game farm.
While the poached animal does not belong to the land owner, the opportunity to legally harvest that animal is/was. And as we all know, people will pay an incredible amount of money to walk out in a field and shot a record book animal.
Post by: JDHasty on April 01, 2016, 08:09:38 AM
A friend from Montana emailed me and says the guy works at a high school as sports director. I don't see how the District keeps him in that position if that is the case.
I'm sure they have rules on breaking the law and to which extent it's an issue of employment. Some schools also have ethics laws.
From the comments in this article:
"Are you freaking nuts Nate Strong poached that deer with the wrong tag and out of season. He should be hung. And fired from his Sublette county district #9 freaking job. I hope they nail him for a Lacey Act Violation."
http://sweetwaternow.com/105688-2/
Looks like the "natives are restless" - first they are calling to have him hung, and then after he is hung - fire him from his School District job. So where is that going to leave the property owner who is threatening a civil law suit on top of all of everything else he is facing.
Did you tell G&F that you found the body and where? I can only presume Hoback Ranches since that’s where he’s been living. I saw him on November 4th and 6th in there. Please private message us. We would like to proceed with a civil suit if we can prove he took it on private lands.
It's going to be pretty hard for them to sue him civilly for taking an animal that belonged to the state of Wyoming. Unless their laws are markedly different, a private landowner can't seek civil restitution for the loss of an animal that belonged to the people of the state.
Trespass in which an animal was taken and the loss of that animal affects their ability to attract paying customers may well be.
They can have him cited for trespass certainly. However, the animal does not belong specifically to them. If I shot their prize Angus bull then they could sue me civilly. They don't own the deer. In order to show a monetary loss they would have to show that this impacted them financially. It's not a game farm.
While the poached animal does not belong to the land owner, the opportunity to legally harvest that animal is/was. And as we all know, people will pay an incredible amount of money to walk out in a field and shot a record book animal.
That is where I thought tHat a civil case would come in. What I have been told by Montana based relatives who run some cattle on Wyo range is that this ranch had a poaching incident a few years back that involved a well known outfitter and he thinks this is the angle they pursued.
Post by: JDHasty on April 01, 2016, 08:12:17 AM
This Sublette county school district PE teacher and coach in Big Piney Busted for Poaching 230" mule deer. He thought it was a Whitetail Hybrid. That's why he had it at the sports expo with his name on it labeled as a mule deer. If he is a member of this website he should be banned.
http://www.monstermuleys.info/dcforum/DCForumID6/26187.html
Post by: coachcw on April 05, 2016, 06:34:26 AM
Post by: JDHasty on April 08, 2016, 12:46:34 PM
Here is an excerpt:
This despicable act is a major injustice to the people of Wyoming. Possible gain of the mount if this individual could have gotten away with it? Maybe $30,000 to $40,000. Loss of “Big Boy” to us? Priceless! I would hope that justice is served and if convicted, he be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law – including possible prison time, loss of Wyoming hunting and fishing privileges for the rest of his life, and a major fine.
If convicted, I would also hope that the Big Piney School District would feel that it does not need this type of individual in their school district. Student look up to teachers and coaches and therefore should be taught good values and ethics. Is this the type of teacher we want educating our children?
http://www.subletteexaminer.com/v2_news_articles.php?page=72&story_id=4074
SUBLETTE COUNTY – Local hunters and residents are expressing anger, regret and dismay upon hearing a Big Piney man is charged with allegedly killing a handsome mule buck deer with unusual antlers.
Nathan Strong, of Big Piney, was charged last Tuesday with one criminal count of shooting an antlered deer without a license or during a closed season – in this case the very recognizable nontypical trophy mule deer buck nicknamed “Big Boy” who spent several summers
Post by: JDHasty on April 12, 2016, 09:41:21 AM
Plead not guilty yesterday
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on April 13, 2016, 10:52:09 AM
Post by: Bean Counter on April 13, 2016, 03:18:37 PM
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I would hope that justice is served and if convicted, he be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law – including possible prison time, loss of Wyoming hunting and fishing privileges for the rest of his life, and a major fine.
For single animals on a first time offense, I don't support prison sentences. Prison needs to be reserved for the most heinous people: child molesters.. murderers... liberals