Post by: jhawk13 on April 11, 2016, 06:02:45 PM
I can kinda get the argument for the banning of it within 200 yards of each other, but at the same time you give an inch and then its all banned.
Post by: jhawk13 on April 11, 2016, 06:03:51 PM
Post by: bigtex on April 11, 2016, 06:04:21 PM
Post by: jhawk13 on April 11, 2016, 06:09:25 PM
There's about three different threads on this....
I didn't see anything on the elk part of the forum, I apologize if it has been posted before!
Post by: bobcat on April 11, 2016, 06:14:02 PM
Post by: bigtex on April 11, 2016, 06:25:49 PM
I wouldn't worry about it being banned altogether. This is something that had been studied for a full year before they came up with the proposals, and with an 8-1 vote, the Fish & Wildlife Commission adopted the proposal that will soon become law.I don't see an outright ban coming from the Commission. However, I wouldn't be shocked if sometime down the line a voter initiative is passed, or maybe even the legislature outlaws it.
The Commission enacts regulations. Initiatives and the legislature enacts laws. Laws override regulations...
Post by: dreamunelk on April 11, 2016, 09:51:25 PM
Post by: LeviD1 on April 11, 2016, 10:12:34 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on April 11, 2016, 10:31:20 PM
Funny how the States many say they will spend their money in have already banned! Food for thought.
Those states offer excellent draw odds and exponentially longer seasons. When a hunter can chase deer for three months in Idaho with a regular tag and the overall hunter success rate is 50% I guess baiting would make it too easy.. Food for thought ;)
Post by: bobcat on April 11, 2016, 10:36:38 PM
No, alfalfa is not grain, but it's bait if used to attract deer or elk for the purpose of hunting.
The 10 gallon limit applies to the amount that's actually on the ground.
And no, alfalfa in a field is not bait unless it was intentionally placed there to attract deer or elk.
I certainly wouldn't call it a joke. I'm glad they put these restrictions on baiting instead of banning it completely as the majority of the western states have done.
Post by: Duffer on April 11, 2016, 11:56:54 PM
LeviD1-
No, alfalfa is not grain, but it's bait if used to attract deer or elk for the purpose of hunting.
The 10 gallon limit applies to the amount that's actually on the ground.
And no, alfalfa in a field is not bait unless it was intentionally placed there to attract deer or elk.
I certainly wouldn't call it a joke. I'm glad they put these restrictions on baiting instead of banning it completely as the majority of the western states have done.
Agreed. Personally, I just want to understand the new rules so I can comply. I'm good with the's new rules
For instance, one of my feeders is a 30 gallon barrel with a timer/dispenser which drops about one cup of alfalfa pellets twice a day. Does the 10 gals rule apply to the dispensed feed or the barrel volume?
Post by: huntingfool7 on April 12, 2016, 05:13:43 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on April 12, 2016, 07:14:31 AM
LeviD1-
No, alfalfa is not grain, but it's bait if used to attract deer or elk for the purpose of hunting.
The 10 gallon limit applies to the amount that's actually on the ground.
And no, alfalfa in a field is not bait unless it was intentionally placed there to attract deer or elk.
I certainly wouldn't call it a joke. I'm glad they put these restrictions on baiting instead of banning it completely as the majority of the western states have done.
:yeah: plenty of Eastern states as well. Oh and for anybody curious, alfalfa is a legume :chuckle:
Post by: OutHouse on April 12, 2016, 04:27:47 PM
Post by: Bob33 on April 12, 2016, 04:34:54 PM
d) As used in this subsection, "bait" means a substance placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons hunt or intend to hunt them.
Post by: LeviD1 on April 13, 2016, 04:22:38 PM
Post by: bobcat on April 13, 2016, 04:45:26 PM
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Post by: CP on April 13, 2016, 04:48:12 PM
Post by: LeviD1 on April 13, 2016, 04:55:59 PM
Post by: bobcat on April 13, 2016, 05:10:10 PM
Post by: LeviD1 on April 13, 2016, 05:19:10 PM
Post by: buglebrush on April 13, 2016, 08:08:30 PM
Post by: bobcat on April 13, 2016, 09:12:09 PM
The part of the bail that is " Accessible to wildlife" would be less than 10 gallons, so it is legal.
I could go along with that interpretation. Like I said, kind of a grey area.
Post by: Jonathan_S on April 15, 2016, 06:04:08 AM
The part of the bail that is " Accessible to wildlife" would be less than 10 gallons, so it is legal.
I could go along with that interpretation. Like I said, kind of a grey area.
It should say "accessible to the targeted wildlife" cause a bear had access to anything
Post by: PA BEN on April 17, 2016, 12:54:58 PM
Post by: dreamingbig on May 06, 2016, 08:42:02 PM
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Post by: snake on May 10, 2016, 07:41:05 PM
Post by: Nice Racks on May 10, 2016, 08:45:29 PM
Why are minerals considered bait? Animals don't come in to minerals like they do a truck load of hay or apples. Especially in the fall.
Agreed. Elk absolutely kill my trace minerals from April into the beginning of August; then I get absolutely nothing on my cameras except for passing animals that have no interest in it. But that's ok; I mainly use it for the pics and see what's in the area.
Post by: snake on May 12, 2016, 06:00:47 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on May 12, 2016, 10:09:08 PM
Why are minerals considered bait? Animals don't come in to minerals like they do a truck load of hay or apples. Especially in the fall.
Agreed. Elk absolutely kill my trace minerals from April into the beginning of August; then I get absolutely nothing on my cameras except for passing animals that have no interest in it. But that's ok; I mainly use it for the pics and see what's in the area.
That is like saying you read Playboy for the articles
Post by: KFhunter on May 12, 2016, 10:16:13 PM
Why are minerals considered bait? Animals don't come in to minerals like they do a truck load of hay or apples. Especially in the fall.
Agreed. Elk absolutely kill my trace minerals from April into the beginning of August; then I get absolutely nothing on my cameras except for passing animals that have no interest in it. But that's ok; I mainly use it for the pics and see what's in the area.
That is like saying you read Playboy for the articles
Well ya, you aren't going to find any nudies in a playboy mag.
Post by: bearpaw on May 13, 2016, 05:12:07 AM
The part of the bail that is " Accessible to wildlife" would be less than 10 gallons, so it is legal.
I could go along with that interpretation. Like I said, kind of a grey area.
If only the bottom of the bale can be eaten while in the feeder I would think it's legal, that's different than a whole bail laying on the ground. But you might want to check with your local warden for his interpretation just to be safe.
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on May 13, 2016, 08:16:22 AM
Any time I see a deer standing under a feeder and a hunter in a blind watching over that feeder it makes me cringe. Whoever thinks this is hunting you should look up the definition of FAIR CHASE HUNTING. I wont even watch hunting shows that hunt over feeders or food plots. This is not hunting but sitting on your ass waiting for the animals to enter the food plot. You might as well hunt your neighbors cows when the farmer feeds them!!! Im sure this will cause a lot of back lash, but dont really care.
FAIR CHASE WILDERNESS HUNTS ONLY FOR THE REAL HUNTER !!!
Post by: carlyoungs on May 13, 2016, 08:19:44 AM
Post by: Buckmark on May 13, 2016, 08:30:22 AM
Baiting for DEER AND ELK has only gave hunters a bad look for non hunters.So only able body people who can hike into the wilderness are real hunters?
Any time I see a deer standing under a feeder and a hunter in a blind watching over that feeder it makes me cringe. Whoever thinks this is hunting you should look up the definition of FAIR CHASE HUNTING. I wont even watch hunting shows that hunt over feeders or food plots. This is not hunting but sitting on your ass waiting for the animals to enter the food plot. You might as well hunt your neighbors cows when the farmer feeds them!!! Im sure this will cause a lot of back lash, but dont really care.
FAIR CHASE WILDERNESS HUNTS ONLY FOR THE REAL HUNTER !!!
So the Disabled, Elderly, Youth, Terminally ill are not "Real" hunters to you because they can't do it your way?
:stup:
Post by: CP on May 13, 2016, 08:32:27 AM
Baiting for DEER AND ELK has only gave hunters a bad look for non hunters.
Any time I see a deer standing under a feeder and a hunter in a blind watching over that feeder it makes me cringe. Whoever thinks this is hunting you should look up the definition of FAIR CHASE HUNTING. I wont even watch hunting shows that hunt over feeders or food plots. This is not hunting but sitting on your ass waiting for the animals to enter the food plot. You might as well hunt your neighbors cows when the farmer feeds them!!! Im sure this will cause a lot of back lash, but dont really care.
FAIR CHASE WILDERNESS HUNTS ONLY FOR THE REAL HUNTER !!!
I’ll bite:
FAIR CHASE = non-guided, non-outfitted, do it yourself only. If you need a guide to hunt you might as well just have the farmer take you over to his cattle herd and pick out the one you should shoot.
DIY HUNTS ONLY FOR THE REAL HUNTER !!!
Guided hunts should be illegal.
(expect for Bearpaw of course – the above doesn’t apply to Bearpaw Outfitters).
Post by: KDB on May 13, 2016, 08:40:33 AM
Post by: Bango skank on May 13, 2016, 08:48:58 AM
Baiting for DEER AND ELK has only gave hunters a bad look for non hunters.
Lol. HUNTING gives hunters a bad look for non hunters.
So i see you capitalized DEER AND ELK. Curious how you feel about bear baiting. Seems a lot of guys who bad mouth baiting deer in one thread will complain about not being able to bait bear in another.
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on May 13, 2016, 08:49:14 AM
BUT HUNTING OVER A FEEDER IS. I GUESS I WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND YOU WEST SIDERS. ALL AN OUTFITTER DOES IS HELP YOUR ODDS OF GETTING YOUR GAME WITHOUT HAVING TO LOWER YOUR STANDERS BY HUNTING OVER A FEEDER. AND I AGREE DIY HUNTING IS THE BEST WAY IF YOU KNOW WHERE AND WHEN TO GO AND MOST IMPORTANT IF YOU CAN GET YOUR ANIMAL OUT BEFORE IT STARTS TO SPOIL.
FAIR CHASE WILDERNESS HUNTS ONLY FOR THE REAL HUNTER !!!
WHATS YOUR KILL % BET MINES HIGHER
Post by: Bango skank on May 13, 2016, 08:54:37 AM
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on May 13, 2016, 09:04:15 AM
If there is a way that it can be done, I will do it. I am working on a harness to help handicapped hunters get there chance to see what its like to get back into the wilderness and enjoy the solitude. I am a handicapped hunter and outfitter so I know how hard it is to get into the wilderness. But if we all work together everyone should have the chance to hunt the wilderness at least once in there life. If the choose.
Sorry to piss of some of you guys, just remember its just my opinion.
FAIR CHASE WILDERNESS HUNTS ONLY FOR THE REAL HUNTER !!!
Post by: buglebrush on May 13, 2016, 09:07:22 AM
Post by: Nice Racks on May 13, 2016, 09:36:34 AM
Why are minerals considered bait? Animals don't come in to minerals like they do a truck load of hay or apples. Especially in the fall.
Agreed. Elk absolutely kill my trace minerals from April into the beginning of August; then I get absolutely nothing on my cameras except for passing animals that have no interest in it. But that's ok; I mainly use it for the pics and see what's in the area.
That is like saying you read Playboy for the articles
Playboy has articles? :chuckle:
Post by: grundy53 on May 13, 2016, 09:41:19 AM
Baiting for DEER AND ELK has only gave hunters a bad look for non hunters.
Any time I see a deer standing under a feeder and a hunter in a blind watching over that feeder it makes me cringe. Whoever thinks this is hunting you should look up the definition of FAIR CHASE HUNTING. I wont even watch hunting shows that hunt over feeders or food plots. This is not hunting but sitting on your ass waiting for the animals to enter the food plot. You might as well hunt your neighbors cows when the farmer feeds them!!! Im sure this will cause a lot of back lash, but dont really care.
FAIR CHASE WILDERNESS HUNTS ONLY FOR THE REAL HUNTER !!!
:DOH:
Post by: headshot5 on May 13, 2016, 09:44:01 AM
Why are minerals considered bait? Animals don't come in to minerals like they do a truck load of hay or apples. Especially in the fall.
Agreed. Elk absolutely kill my trace minerals from April into the beginning of August; then I get absolutely nothing on my cameras except for passing animals that have no interest in it. But that's ok; I mainly use it for the pics and see what's in the area.
That is like saying you read Playboy for the articles
Playboy has articles? :chuckle:
Coming from someone who's username is nice racks, this statement doesn't surprise me at all. :chuckle:
Post by: Curly on May 13, 2016, 09:46:39 AM
Post by: carlyoungs on May 13, 2016, 09:48:26 AM
Post by: Bango skank on May 13, 2016, 09:48:47 AM
WHATS YOUR KILL % BET MINES HIGHER
Thats pretty damn childish there.
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on May 13, 2016, 09:53:57 AM
FAIR CHASE WILDERNESS HUNTS ONLY FOR THE REAL HUNTER !!!
Post by: KFhunter on May 13, 2016, 09:58:20 AM
Let's keep this thread ON TOPIC please.
Post by: idahohuntr on May 13, 2016, 09:59:00 AM
Well, I can cross White Pass Outfitters off my list of outfitters to use. :o:yeah:
I was going to argue with his ignorant statements - but a better path would be for all of us to alert friends, family, and colleagues that White Pass Outfitters supports taking hunting opportunities away from sportsmen and do not book with them.
Post by: Rainier10 on May 13, 2016, 09:59:28 AM
Don't limit others freedom just because it doesn't affect you personally. I have never baited, but I am strongly pro baiting. I also bought my first ever blind this winter, and plan to do a little late season archery baiting so my 3 year old son can come along and watch me shoot a deer.:yeah:
Post by: Duckslayer89 on May 13, 2016, 10:05:36 AM
Post by: jackelope on May 13, 2016, 10:09:52 AM
OK, SO YOUR SAYING A DROP CAMP IN THE WILDERNESS IS NOT A FAIR CHASE HUNT.Careful insulting the westsiders. You probably have a fair % of your hunters coming from the westside.
BUT HUNTING OVER A FEEDER IS. I GUESS I WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND YOU WEST SIDERS. ALL AN OUTFITTER DOES IS HELP YOUR ODDS OF GETTING YOUR GAME WITHOUT HAVING TO LOWER YOUR STANDERS BY HUNTING OVER A FEEDER. AND I AGREE DIY HUNTING IS THE BEST WAY IF YOU KNOW WHERE AND WHEN TO GO AND MOST IMPORTANT IF YOU CAN GET YOUR ANIMAL OUT BEFORE IT STARTS TO SPOIL.
FAIR CHASE WILDERNESS HUNTS ONLY FOR THE REAL HUNTER !!!
WHATS YOUR KILL % BET MINES HIGHER
Just throwing that out there.
Post by: Curly on May 13, 2016, 10:10:30 AM
Well, I can cross White Pass Outfitters off my list of outfitters to use. :o:yeah:
I was going to argue with his ignorant statements - but a better path would be for all of us to alert friends, family, and colleagues that White Pass Outfitters supports taking hunting opportunities away from sportsmen and do not book with them.
Yeah. Amazing that a business owner would bash westside people, bash anyone who baits, and claims you are not a real hunter unless you hunt wilderness.
I don't bait......too much work. And truck load of apples does probably seem wrong. So, the new rules seem reasonable limiting the amount of bait.
I do enjoy a wilderness hunt once in a while. I think maybe I wasn't a real hunter on the few hunts where I've used an outfitter to do a drop camp. If I were a real hunter I would have packed in all by myself.
Post by: bearpaw on May 13, 2016, 10:12:15 AM
Baiting for DEER AND ELK has only gave hunters a bad look for non hunters.
Any time I see a deer standing under a feeder and a hunter in a blind watching over that feeder it makes me cringe. Whoever thinks this is hunting you should look up the definition of FAIR CHASE HUNTING. I wont even watch hunting shows that hunt over feeders or food plots. This is not hunting but sitting on your ass waiting for the animals to enter the food plot. You might as well hunt your neighbors cows when the farmer feeds them!!! Im sure this will cause a lot of back lash, but dont really care.
FAIR CHASE WILDERNESS HUNTS ONLY FOR THE REAL HUNTER !!!
OK, SO YOUR SAYING A DROP CAMP IN THE WILDERNESS IS NOT A FAIR CHASE HUNT.
BUT HUNTING OVER A FEEDER IS. I GUESS I WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND YOU WEST SIDERS. ALL AN OUTFITTER DOES IS HELP YOUR ODDS OF GETTING YOUR GAME WITHOUT HAVING TO LOWER YOUR STANDERS BY HUNTING OVER A FEEDER. AND I AGREE DIY HUNTING IS THE BEST WAY IF YOU KNOW WHERE AND WHEN TO GO AND MOST IMPORTANT IF YOU CAN GET YOUR ANIMAL OUT BEFORE IT STARTS TO SPOIL.
FAIR CHASE WILDERNESS HUNTS ONLY FOR THE REAL HUNTER !!!
WHATS YOUR KILL % BET MINES HIGHER
What about disabled hunters?
What about elderly hunters?
What about youth hunters just starting to hunt?
What about hunters who are not comfortable trekking miles into the wilderness?
What if you don't own horses or even like horses?
What about bear, cougar, upland bird, or waterfowl hunters?
What about game management in the other 96% of Washington that isn't wilderness?
Many of our best hunting opportunities are on private lands close to small communities in all four states where we operate?
Some of the best elk and deer hunting I've seen is in the midst of oil and gas fields?
At Bearpaw Outfitters we offer horseback in camps, drive in camps, lodge or cabin based hunts, or motel based hunts. We invite anyone to do any of our many different types of hunts. If you want to hunt remote country we've got the horses and remote forest service approved campsites, we've got private ranch hunts, and if you can't or don't want to walk much we'll be glad to take you on a hunt in 4x4 trucks or UTV's. We also hunt with blinds, trailcams, food plots, farm fields, and feeders where legal, as well as in remote mountain areas. We proudly offer hunts to anyone, including seniors, youth, mobility impaired, or mentally impaired, anyone who simply wants a chance for a successful hunt.
For DIY hunters we offer DIY Hunting maps to good hunting areas in four western states and hope to expand that soon. We understand that many hunters want to DIY but may want a little extra info on where to go to save time and increase odds.
(added the other quote)
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on May 13, 2016, 10:22:15 AM
Post by: b0bbyg on May 13, 2016, 10:24:16 AM
OK, SO YOUR SAYING A DROP CAMP IN THE WILDERNESS IS NOT A FAIR CHASE HUNT.
BUT HUNTING OVER A FEEDER IS. I GUESS I WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND YOU WEST SIDERS. ALL AN OUTFITTER DOES IS HELP YOUR ODDS OF GETTING YOUR GAME WITHOUT HAVING TO LOWER YOUR STANDERS BY HUNTING OVER A FEEDER. AND I AGREE DIY HUNTING IS THE BEST WAY IF YOU KNOW WHERE AND WHEN TO GO AND MOST IMPORTANT IF YOU CAN GET YOUR ANIMAL OUT BEFORE IT STARTS TO SPOIL.
FAIR CHASE WILDERNESS HUNTS ONLY FOR THE REAL HUNTER !!!
WHATS YOUR KILL % BET MINES HIGHER
What about disabled hunters?
What about elderly hunters?
What about youth hunters just starting to hunt?
What about hunters who are not comfortable trekking miles into the wilderness?
What if you don't own horses or even like horses?
What about bear, cougar, upland bird, or waterfowl hunters?
What about game management in the other 96% of Washington that isn't wilderness?
Many of our best hunting opportunities are on private lands close to small communities in all four states where we operate?
Some of the best elk and deer hunting I've seen is in the midst of oil and gas fields?
At Bearpaw Outfitters we offer horseback in camps, drive in camps, lodge or cabin based hunts, or motel based hunts. We invite anyone to do any of our many different types of hunts. If you want to hunt remote country we've got the horses and remote forest service approved campsites, we've got private ranch hunts, and if you can't or don't want to walk much we'll be glad to take you on a hunt in 4x4 trucks or UTV's. We also hunt with blinds, trailcams, food plots, farm fields, and feeders where legal, as well as in remote mountain areas. We proudly offer hunts to anyone, including seniors, youth, mobility impaired, or mentally impaired, anyone who simply wants a chance for a successful hunt.
For DIY hunters we offer DIY Hunting Maps to good hunting areas in four western states and hope to expand that soon. We understand that many hunters want to DIY but may want a little extra info on where to go to save time and increase odds.
I have not used an outfitter for any of my hunts. But I think I know which outfitter above I would go with when I decide to.
I will Pass on White pass outfitters.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, that is mine
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on May 13, 2016, 10:29:57 AM
Post by: idaho guy on May 13, 2016, 10:30:35 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on May 13, 2016, 10:31:59 AM
Everyone does have the right to their own opinion. Saying that people aren't real hunters by knocking how they hunt is a little over the top or saying that real hunters only hunt a certain way.
Whatever the case I think the point of this thread going back to the OP is that the limit is chipping away at a way of hunting and how long until it goes away completely.
I think the commission struggled with this one and did compromise.
I think Bigtex has the best comment on this subject when he said he doesn't think the commission will touch this subject again but the possibility of an initiative by the voting public to ban baiting is a very real possibility.
Did this limit by the commission open that door? Only time will tell.
Just my :twocents:
Post by: bearpaw on May 13, 2016, 10:33:26 AM
You are right, did not mean to put all westsiders in one group. I just think everyone can and should be able to have there opinion heard, it doesnt mean im right or wrong just difference of opinions. And as far as saying you wont booked with wpo thats probably a good thing, because I only believe in fair chase hunts. And bearpaw if you read all the thread, you would see I pack in many elderly and disabled hunters and working on a harness to make it easyer to help more get into the back country. Remember bear paw its just my opinon.
Not holding anything against you and you didn't break any forum rules. I took off my admin hat and put on my outfitter hat for a moment, that's all.
No Worries, I understand everyone is entitled to their opinion! :tup:
Post by: bknilvr00 on May 13, 2016, 10:33:45 AM
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on May 13, 2016, 10:42:38 AM
Still waiting on the comments on the two Native Americans who killed two bulls at the feed station while eating hay. Doesn't this classify as baiting. And the outcry from the public and other hunters was huge. Im not saying baiting is right or wrong, I just dont and wont do it.
Post by: JDHasty on May 13, 2016, 11:44:39 AM
Baiting for DEER AND ELK has only gave hunters a bad look for non hunters.
Any time I see a deer standing under a feeder and a hunter in a blind watching over that feeder it makes me cringe. Whoever thinks this is hunting you should look up the definition of FAIR CHASE HUNTING. I wont even watch hunting shows that hunt over feeders or food plots. This is not hunting but sitting on your ass waiting for the animals to enter the food plot. You might as well hunt your neighbors cows when the farmer feeds them!!! Im sure this will cause a lot of back lash, but dont really care.
FAIR CHASE WILDERNESS HUNTS ONLY FOR THE REAL HUNTER !!!
Gee, all of the attitude in this post kinda reminds me of this guy's rhetoric: http://blog.eastmans.com/up-a-creek-400-deep/ & http://www.gohunt.com/read/news/breaking-story-bull-elk-scam-DIY-backcountry-hunt-or-high-fence
Before Jeremy Lewis was outed he used to post screeds very similar to the one above on Monster Muleys and other sites. I can't read your mind, but he way you said it sure didn't come across well.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on May 13, 2016, 12:08:00 PM
For the last several years, I've been investing more and more time and money into going "backwoods". I have been working my tail off to get the absolute best experience possible during hunting season. I'm a combat veteran who grew up hiking, fishing, and hunting. To me, there is no place in the world more comfortable than the mountains.
That being said.... My wife is due with our second child in the middle of October. This year, I was planning to not hunt at all. I am a very family-centered person who does not miss family events (I had enough of that in the military). My friend offered me an opportunity: He get's elk all summer long on his property that usually stick around in September. He has successfully placed small bait sections in areas in the past to facilitate easier shots for himself and his wife. He told me that if I wanted to, I was more than welcome to take advantage of this to fill my freezer this year.
While your response to this may be that I am a terrible example of a hunter (Trust me, based on my kill %, I already knew that), I will tell you that at the end of the day, my freezer should be filled (ideally), I'll not miss too much time from the family, and it was a low enough cost that I'll still be able to pay the approximate $10,000 price tag to have a baby (that's after insurance).
I've long dreamed of using your guide service (I've looked at your website probably 100x) and Bearpaws (probably looked at his 1000x). The region you hunt is the exact region that I LOVE to be in. Last year my buddy and I were cruising around the southeast bowl of Mt Aix and I thought "man this would even more awesome if we could have horsed in. The travel time to get here cuts 2 days off the trip". I would hope that you don't hold my current residence in Enumclaw against me, because I was born here and plan to stay here until the day I die unless God sends me somewhere else (Maybe Colville God??)
Curtis
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on May 13, 2016, 12:31:01 PM
Sorry if I a fended you in any way.
WPO
Post by: Rainier10 on May 13, 2016, 12:35:52 PM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on May 13, 2016, 12:51:10 PM
Curtis
Post by: bearpaw on May 13, 2016, 01:08:44 PM
Good reading and early congrats, I always tend to a fend people on this site, not intentionally might you know. But I am a fair chase hunter and truly believe in it. Do I care if other people are no. It just means less people where go. I have never hunted over bait and never intend to. On that note im not saying its wrong just saying its not for me. I do believe some of the hunting shows are hurting hunters more than doing good for them. And again this is just my opinion. And to all of you who dont like my saying thats fine its your right, but remember its just a saying. Its just a way to promote fair chase wilderness hunts. Good luck on your hunt, any time spent in the woods with family and friends will leave you will a whole lot of memories and stories for the grand kids. If you can get any days off or can get away look me up we run discounts for vets,handicap, women and children hunters.
Sorry if I a fended you in any way.
WPO
I admit I took offense to your comments, both as a hunter and as an outfitter who employs many of the methods you claimed are not FAIR CHASE and so I'm not a REAL HUNTER, I had my outfitter hat on when I posted the questions and comments.
As an admin on this site I apologize for commenting. If you will remember I welcomed you to the site, you do offer a service that is valuable to many members who want to hunt in your area and I've only heard good things about your outfit. My only suggestion is that you be more careful with any comments that might offend other hunters.
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on May 13, 2016, 01:36:48 PM
I also get a little defensive when hunting the wilderness is compared to
sitting in a heated blind waiting for the automatic feeder to drop the corn.
But as hunters no matter How, Where or What we must all stick together, I
forgot that for a few minutes.Good luck on all your hunting adventures!!!
WPO
Don't let them separate and divide us,we are stronger as one!
Post by: KFhunter on May 13, 2016, 01:40:24 PM
Quote
as hunters no matter How, Where or What we must all stick together Don't let them separate and divide us,we are stronger as one!
I can get behind these words :tup:
Post by: JDHasty on May 13, 2016, 01:49:26 PM
And I do apologize to all the hunters that Ive a fended on this site.
I also get a little defensive when hunting the wilderness is compared to
sitting in a heated blind waiting for the automatic feeder to drop the corn.
But as hunters no matter How, Where or What we must all stick together, I
forgot that for a few minutes.Good luck on all your hunting adventures!!!
WPO
Don't let them separate and divide us,we are stronger as one!
I don't bait BT deer, but I know some guys that do. I have kicked around the thought of creating a mineral lick, but just have never got around to it. I know a few guys who go after big BTs and I would say that the guys who use bait are no more successful than the guys who still hunt them, and they are no more successful than the guys like me who set up stands and hunt over travel routes or over feeding locations. They are no less successful either. Some years we get a decent buck and some years we get nothing or a smaller buck. It's hunting, nothing is guaranteed. I know a guy who sets up all kinda' elaborate doe in heat setup and he has shot some really nice bucks, but he also goes three or four years in a row with a big fat goose egg.
We all just hunt the way we prefer to.
Post by: buckfvr on May 13, 2016, 01:55:40 PM
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on May 13, 2016, 02:06:49 PM
Post by: h20hunter on May 13, 2016, 02:08:57 PM
We need a "fist bump" aka handshake emoticon....
Post by: Wacenturion on May 13, 2016, 04:10:13 PM
And I do apologize to all the hunters that Ive a fended on this site.
I also get a little defensive when hunting the wilderness is compared to
sitting in a heated blind waiting for the automatic feeder to drop the corn.
But as hunters no matter How, Where or What we must all stick together, I
forgot that for a few minutes.Good luck on all your hunting adventures!!!
WPO
Don't let them separate and divide us,we are stronger as one!
Wow....if you're going to apologize for all you opinionated remarks directed at pretty much everyone here, then do so and leave out the follow up toned down opinionated remarks following the apology. :bash: :bash:
Post by: Buckmark on May 13, 2016, 04:14:39 PM
As far as my kill%, i am at 100% as everything i have killed, i killed... :chuckle:
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on May 13, 2016, 04:46:59 PM
I dont and wont hunt over bait.
wpo
Post by: KFhunter on May 13, 2016, 05:00:43 PM
Do you really want this thread to replace that one as the #2 search result? It's up to you.
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on May 13, 2016, 05:29:26 PM
Thanks for all the positive people in this world
Good Bye Hunt Wa
WPO
Post by: KFhunter on May 13, 2016, 05:34:42 PM
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Post by: emac on May 13, 2016, 10:18:18 PM
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Post by: huntingfool7 on May 14, 2016, 08:23:07 AM
Your opinion about them being the most rewarding is the best way you have made your point. Saying that is the only way to be a true hunter is the worst way.On point and well said!
Post by: Wacenturion on May 14, 2016, 08:36:54 AM
So Wacenturion maybe you can explain to me why, what the two Native Americans did at oak creek feed station was ok. The killed two large bulls while eating hay. I believe that would be considered hunting over bait. And the public and hunters outcry over it made the news. I just don't see much of a difference. To each his own I guess, but in my opinion fair chase is the only way to hunt.So as far as my apology goes, I do apologies for a fending anyone,but I dont for giving my opinion on this thread.
I dont and wont hunt over bait.
wpo
Was going to respond but what's the point...... :bash:
Post by: dreamingbig on May 14, 2016, 09:19:20 PM
Okay, so if you all feel baiting is ok,why was there such a public outcry when 2 native Americans went to oak creek feed station (bait station) and killed two bulls while they were eating hay. I really dont see much of a difference or can you explain the difference to me.Serious? Can't be but I will play....
FAIR CHASE WILDERNESS HUNTS ONLY FOR THE REAL HUNTER !!!
Because the Indians aren't paying for the hay that feed the elk! And those that do pay for it can't hunt them on the winter range nor would we.
Post by: JDHasty on May 14, 2016, 09:58:04 PM
WPO. Here is my perspective on this. I got drawn for a bull tag in your area last year and I really thought about using you but I didn't have the funds to do so. I went at it on a diy hunt never stepping foot in the unit. But me and my buddy hiked our tails off and I got a decent 6x5 opening morning. It was rewarding as any hunt I have been on. But before that I had moved back to my home town and got a new job. Didn't have time to scout for my elk hunt. I had never baited before but I gave it try last summer/fall. And if anyone says baiting is easy or a slam dunk they are completely wrong. I had 11 trail cams out and only 3 of them you could drive to. The rest I was hauling 50-75lbs of grain to on my back. I had a monster 4x4 with eyeguuards coming in on a regular basis in the afternoon on one of my cams. I sat in a ground blind on that cam almost every afternoon during all of archery season and never laid eyes on the big guy. So it's not like shooting fish in a barrel like everyone thinks. It takes alot of time and a lot of effort. I could of shoot some lesser bucks but passed. So I think baiting has it perks. I didn't get the buck I wanted but I passed on alot of lesser bucks with good genetics to pass on to future generations. If I hadn't of been baiting I might off shot one of the lesser bucks.
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There ya' go. Actually the network of guys that are after bigger BTs I associate with is fairly decent in size and some do bait and work harder at it than I do to get my stands up and scout and get my stands set up and do that with kids in tow. Some of them have their kids along too. Again, let me reiterate, everybody's s success rate is about the same as mine and the guys who still hunt, and most of ours is less than the few guys who stay out all season doing what we do on weekends and a few days off thrown in here and there. But almost all of those of them who bait, or set stands on travel routs and feed areas and still hunt and stay out all season settle for less near the end every once in every few years.
Bait isn't the difference and it is most definitely not the easiest way to success, it is what they prefer and think gives them an advantage. I think my way is best for me, but would bait if I thought it would make much difference in my success. I do still hunt some, but just out of habit I guess.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on May 14, 2016, 10:13:35 PM
Ok ,you guys win I will no longer give my opinion on any thread, because if its not what everyone wants to here they just bet you up over it.I do stand by fair chase wilderness hunts in my opinion its the most rewarding way to hunt. But to each his own kfhunter.
Thanks for all the positive people in this world
Good Bye Hunt Wa
WPO
I agree , can't wait to meet you and use your services when my boy and I draw one of your units.later
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on May 15, 2016, 09:50:16 AM
I hunt what I call the in betweens, I hunt where the Elk are moving from feeding grounds to there bedding grounds. I hunt Deer above tree lines, spot and stalk. So I guess I really cant comment on baiting, I do think some of the tv shows are giving hunters a bad reputation. (just my opinion) And as far as my motto I never new so many people would be a fended by it. But it is just a way to promote fair chase wilderness hunts. So maybe I will word it a little different. Like fair chase wilderness, the most rewarding hunts out there, or maybe you guys can come up with a better one. I am a strong believer of fair chase hunts and always will be. I do hope everyone does get the chance to hunt the wilderness at least once in there hunting adventures. That's why I've been working so hard on promoting wilderness hunts. In my opinion if we dont it just gives the Feds a chance to take it away from us and I guess thats no different than them trying to take away baiting. So as hunters and outdoors men, we all need to stick together and not let the state or feds take any more hunting rights away from us.
So again I do apologize to all the hunters that I have a fended for my comments on baiting. I have no right to condemn something I have never done.
And thank you Dreamingbig for your comment, I do agree with you I just wanted someone else to come out and say it besides me. And to 257 wby mag looking forward to meeting you also. And just to let you know I give children a 50% of all my wilderness hunts. I feel we need to teach our kids how to hunt and survive in the back country. On that note I have rambled on long enough. So no matter How,Where or what your hunting good luck and dont hesitate to promote it.
Thanks to all the positive people in this world.
White Pass Outfitters
Post by: h20hunter on May 15, 2016, 09:53:10 AM
Post by: dreamingbig on May 15, 2016, 08:12:20 PM
U.B. Johnson?
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