Post by: Yelper Guy on April 27, 2016, 03:32:29 PM
I shouted out "You shot me" #$%^&*, and we met up with the hunter at his second downed bird. He missed on his first shot, scored one on his second & third shots. He pursued the birds up-hill which is not very wise. Neither he or us ever saw each other until the shooting was over. After the bleeding was slowed we tried to determine if any shot was in me. It didn't look like any was embedded, and I though it just bounced off. The next day I though I better get a Tetanus shot, so into the Minor Emergency I went. The Dr. said we better get an x-ray to make sure there isn't any embedded (he didn't think I had any). Well x-rays don't lie, all the spots I got hit had a pellet. After one visit to the Hospital & one outpatient surgery I'm now lead-free once again.
LESSON LEARNED If a gun discharges nearby when hunting, immediately shout or shoot a round to alert the other hunter.
I will say it was a west-side hunter, and the investigation is underway. Be careful out there!
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Post by: jackelope on April 27, 2016, 03:44:12 PM
Thanks for sharing your story. Maybe now some folks will understand why some of us say it's not a safe practice to stalk them or chase them.
Who the heck cares where the guy was from by the way??
Post by: bearpaw on April 27, 2016, 03:49:49 PM
Post by: goldenhtr on April 27, 2016, 04:49:09 PM
I will say it was a west-side hunter, and the investigation is underway. Be careful out there!
Glad your ok.
But do you really think it made a difference if the shooter was from the West side or the East side???? :yike:
I sorry but that was an ignorant statement. :bash: I know lets start a westside vs eastside thread, just like the bow hunter against the muzzy hunter vs the modern firearm hunter. Your season is better than mine crap!! Terrible accident for sure and could have been a much worse outcome. Hope he pays ALL your medical bills.
soap box done :twocents:
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Post by: TheSkyBuster on April 27, 2016, 04:52:59 PM
I will say it was a west-side hunter, and the investigation is underway. Be careful out there!
Glad your ok.
But do you really think it made a difference if the shooter was from the West side or the East side???? :yike:
I sorry but that was an ignorant statement. :bash: I know lets start a westside vs eastside thread, just like the bow hunter against the muzzy hunter vs the modern firearm hunter. Your season is better than mine crap!! Terrible accident for sure and could have been a much worse outcome. Hope he pays ALL your medical bills.
soap box done :twocents:
I take it you don't live in eastern Washington. :chuckle:
Post by: goldenhtr on April 27, 2016, 04:58:37 PM
I will say it was a west-side hunter, and the investigation is underway. Be careful out there!
Glad your ok.
But do you really think it made a difference if the shooter was from the West side or the East side???? :yike:
I sorry but that was an ignorant statement. :bash: I know lets start a westside vs eastside thread, just like the bow hunter against the muzzy hunter vs the modern firearm hunter. Your season is better than mine crap!! Terrible accident for sure and could have been a much worse outcome. Hope he pays ALL your medical bills.
soap box done :twocents:
I take it you don't live in eastern Washington. :chuckle:
NOPE! and don't like the inference that being from the westside makes me or anyone else a bad hunter. :twocents:
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 27, 2016, 05:01:24 PM
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Post by: Mfowl on April 27, 2016, 06:06:23 PM
I will say it was a west-side hunter, and the investigation is underway. Be careful out there!
Glad your ok.
But do you really think it made a difference if the shooter was from the West side or the East side???? :yike:
I sorry but that was an ignorant statement. :bash: I know lets start a westside vs eastside thread, just like the bow hunter against the muzzy hunter vs the modern firearm hunter. Your season is better than mine crap!! Terrible accident for sure and could have been a much worse outcome. Hope he pays ALL your medical bills.
soap box done :twocents:
I take it you don't live in eastern Washington. :chuckle:
NOPE! and don't like the inference that being from the westside makes me or anyone else a bad hunter. :twocents:
Terribly sorry for your ordeal! It's a shame that this happened to you! It is clear that the hunter used poor judgment but where the guy is from isn't the root cause, C'mon now. >:(
Post by: Machias on April 27, 2016, 06:44:49 PM
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Post by: bowhunterforever on April 27, 2016, 07:30:49 PM
:yike: whoa! that is crazy! Glad you are ok.:yeah:
Post by: DaveMonti on April 27, 2016, 08:57:29 PM
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Post by: pd on April 27, 2016, 09:12:25 PM
Holy smokes. ....looking at the pic you almost lost an eye!Exactly my thoughts.
Post by: WA hunter14 on April 27, 2016, 09:46:20 PM
Isn't Dick Cheney from the West side?
oh no doubt has to be
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Post by: DaveMonti on April 28, 2016, 06:51:18 AM
I'm sorry to see that this happened and I hope you heal up well.
Post by: Wazukie on April 28, 2016, 07:07:08 AM
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Post by: jackelope on April 28, 2016, 07:22:11 AM
Always the westsiders! There is a difference, lol
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Post by: Wazukie on April 28, 2016, 07:41:10 AM
Oh, you didn't hear the sarcasm? But to expand would be to say ya, there is a very distinct difference between the West and East side of the state. A difference that needs no explanation really, yet it is true that a "westsider" can be at the same level as an "eastsider". To speak to the OP, I to am very thankful you are OK.Always the westsiders! There is a difference, lol
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Post by: turkeydancer on April 28, 2016, 08:00:08 AM
Post by: bradslam on April 28, 2016, 08:09:02 AM
A good reason not to have a two bird limit on the same day. Although rare, it causes accidents like this and to a larger extent causes crippled birds. :twocents:
Dan, I completely agree with you. I've hated that rule since it was put in place, but then again, there is a lot about the turkey management philosophy of the current WDFW that I don't like.
Post by: Yelper Guy on April 28, 2016, 08:32:32 AM
I had to file a report with F&G since it was a gunshot wound. We re-visited the exact location where the accident took place and they got evidence, pics, GPS cord's and pellets. They even took the pellet removed from my cheek for evidence, but I will get that back.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 28, 2016, 08:54:15 AM
If you are sat against a tree calling a turkey TO YOU, then you aren't going to shoot someone. Unless they are trying to sneak into the bird and you don't see them. Moral of the story, don't stalk turkeys, don't chase turkeys. Locate, work em in, and shoot em. That way nobody gets shot in the face.
Dang wetsiders :peep: :stirthepot: :sry: :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on April 28, 2016, 09:18:52 AM
I don't think he intended to mean don't hunt up hill. He's saying don't go chasing after turkeys blasting at them. You never know where a guy may be set up working the birds you are shooting at.Well said, even it did come from a miniature sized eastsider.
If you are sat against a tree calling a turkey TO YOU, then you aren't going to shoot someone. Unless they are trying to sneak into the bird and you don't see them. Moral of the story, don't stalk turkeys, don't chase turkeys. Locate, work em in, and shoot em. That way nobody gets shot in the face.
Dang wetsiders :peep: :stirthepot: :sry: :chuckle:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 28, 2016, 09:20:01 AM
hey big things come in small packages :IBCOOL:I don't think he intended to mean don't hunt up hill. He's saying don't go chasing after turkeys blasting at them. You never know where a guy may be set up working the birds you are shooting at.Well said, even it did come from a miniature sized eastsider.
If you are sat against a tree calling a turkey TO YOU, then you aren't going to shoot someone. Unless they are trying to sneak into the bird and you don't see them. Moral of the story, don't stalk turkeys, don't chase turkeys. Locate, work em in, and shoot em. That way nobody gets shot in the face.
Dang wetsiders :peep: :stirthepot: :sry: :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on April 28, 2016, 09:20:48 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on April 28, 2016, 09:52:10 AM
Sorry it happened but hopefully lots of new hunters could learn a valuable lesson from your experience.
Your x-ray would be famous.
Let me know if I can use the story and x-ray.
Post by: Yelper Guy on April 28, 2016, 10:15:42 AM
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Post by: Rainier10 on April 28, 2016, 12:20:09 PM
Rainier - yes you can use this story and x-ray. If it prevents just one person from getting into a bad situation, that would be good. If it saves somebody's eyesight, that would be good. If it saves a life, that would be even better. My wife never wants me to hunt again. Turkey hunting is my passion and I so look forward to opening day. I've got years worth of successful turkey hunting pics, but this years pics are x-rays and the ER visit.:tup: Thanks
Post by: jackelope on April 28, 2016, 12:23:43 PM
Rainier - yes you can use this story and x-ray. If it prevents just one person from getting into a bad situation, that would be good. If it saves somebody's eyesight, that would be good. If it saves a life, that would be even better. My wife never wants me to hunt again. Turkey hunting is my passion and I so look forward to opening day. I've got years worth of successful turkey hunting pics, but this years pics are x-rays and the ER visit.Curious to know what you'd tell a young hunter to prevent something like what happened to you from happening again in the future.
Post by: DaveMonti on April 28, 2016, 12:32:21 PM
Rainier - yes you can use this story and x-ray. If it prevents just one person from getting into a bad situation, that would be good. If it saves somebody's eyesight, that would be good. If it saves a life, that would be even better. My wife never wants me to hunt again. Turkey hunting is my passion and I so look forward to opening day. I've got years worth of successful turkey hunting pics, but this years pics are x-rays and the ER visit.Curious to know what you'd tell a young hunter to prevent something like what happened to you from happening again in the future.
I think it's a great example of why you should "Be sure of your target and beyond", as I was taught 35 or so years ago.
Post by: Bob33 on April 28, 2016, 12:41:06 PM
Post by: DaveMonti on April 28, 2016, 12:43:57 PM
We show a video in our hunting education classes that includes a very similar incident: a hunter stalking a "turkey" which turns out to be another hunter. The stalking hunter shoots and kills the other hunter by mistaking him for a turkey. We engage the class in discussing (a) what the shooter did wrong, and also (b) what if anything the victim could have done differently.
Isn't this a bit traumatic for todays youth? You might have to start providing a "safe space" for the pupils! And counseling!
I figure the victim should not be wearing a turkey decoy on his head. That will get you into trouble every time!
Post by: Bob33 on April 28, 2016, 12:47:14 PM
We provide counseling after the video. State provided, of course. :chuckle:We show a video in our hunting education classes that includes a very similar incident: a hunter stalking a "turkey" which turns out to be another hunter. The stalking hunter shoots and kills the other hunter by mistaking him for a turkey. We engage the class in discussing (a) what the shooter did wrong, and also (b) what if anything the victim could have done differently.
Isn't this a bit traumatic for todays youth? You might have to start providing a "safe space" for the pupils! And counseling!
I figure the victim should not be wearing a turkey decoy on his head. That will get you into trouble every time!
In the video the victim does were a red bandanna which is obviously not very wise when turkey hunting. While the emphasis is always on the shooter being ultimately responsible, there are some things that can be done to reduce the risk of being a shooting victim.
Post by: 2MANY on April 28, 2016, 01:09:57 PM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on April 28, 2016, 01:34:15 PM
Post by: Yelper Guy on April 28, 2016, 01:43:56 PM
From where we were sitting, to where the final shot was taken, there was no line of sight, so hunter orange wouldn't have helped a bit. The hill was kind of bench-like, sloping down. He was totally out of sight.
Post by: Rainier10 on April 28, 2016, 01:44:33 PM
That is a great question especially since he just experienced it.Rainier - yes you can use this story and x-ray. If it prevents just one person from getting into a bad situation, that would be good. If it saves somebody's eyesight, that would be good. If it saves a life, that would be even better. My wife never wants me to hunt again. Turkey hunting is my passion and I so look forward to opening day. I've got years worth of successful turkey hunting pics, but this years pics are x-rays and the ER visit.Curious to know what you'd tell a young hunter to prevent something like what happened to you from happening again in the future.
The shooter should have know what was beyond his target.
I think Yelper had said earlier that he should have shot off a round to alert the other hunter when he heard the first shot or maybe someone else said that.
I am not sure what I would have done differently but my guess is Yelper has thought about it a lot and I too would love to know his thoughts.
Post by: Yelper Guy on April 28, 2016, 01:54:29 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on April 28, 2016, 02:04:06 PM
Exactly Rainier - when we heard the first shot we should have yelled or touched-off a round to alert the other hunter of our presence. I've only read about shouting out to another hunter coming into your set-up. I've never read anything about close encounters like this before. Absolutely I have re-thought the entire encounter. If someone is close to my set-up and shoots (if I ever get to go again) I will scream , yell, shoot or do whatever it takes to let them know they are not alone. Spread the word!:tup:
I figured you had gone over the days events a time or two..... thousand. :chuckle:
Post by: Machias on April 28, 2016, 02:55:21 PM
Sure glad you did not lose an eye.
If you want to read up on turkey hunting accidents and their causes, check out Missouri, they usually have 10 to 15 shooting accidents a year. Most are shooting at red white or blue objects, shooting at movement when you think a bird is coming in, waving at an approaching hunter is a good way to get shot. Always shout, never move to reveal your presence. Now it is normally a little more open in Eastern WA than it is in MO, brush wise, but stalking is such a bad idea for so many reasons. Just a great way to get shot or shoot someone you are unaware.
Post by: DaveMonti on April 28, 2016, 04:48:41 PM
I'm teaching my son to always identify a willing target and back out prior to shooting.
I got that one. You'd better teach him to make sure there's a barrier between him and his willing target!
Post by: 2MANY on April 29, 2016, 10:01:18 AM
It's a far cry from my dad's advice.
"If it feels good........ do it!"
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Post by: 2MANY on May 02, 2016, 12:13:43 PM
This sucks.
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Post by: Yelper Guy on May 03, 2016, 08:57:08 AM
I don't know how they feel about giving permission to hunt in the future. Time will tell.
Post by: Rainier10 on May 03, 2016, 09:25:24 AM
I have insurance on my vacation property and an umbrella policy also to cover me for anything extra.
Post by: Jarhead Chase on May 03, 2016, 09:53:51 AM
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Post by: Yelper Guy on May 03, 2016, 09:57:44 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on May 03, 2016, 10:13:37 AM
Good on you for not going to the landowners insurance for help, however there are those that would sue the landowner or whoever they could to cover the costs.
Just hypothetical, if it were someone else who was shot and injured worse than you were or even killed and the person doing the shooting wasn't able to cover the medical bills the victim or victim's family would be looking for someone to cover the cost and compensate them for the loss. Next person in line after the shooter is the landowner.
Just saying that is the way of the world.
I assume the shooter in this situation has been good to deal with. Do you know if he is going to get a ticket or loose his hunting privileges at all?
Post by: Yelper Guy on May 03, 2016, 10:20:27 AM
It was an accident and I'm not sure how F&G will handle this.
Post by: ryan8888 on May 03, 2016, 10:30:20 AM
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Post by: Rainier10 on May 03, 2016, 10:34:15 AM
The shooter has been pretty cool about the whole situation, all-in all a nice guy. The investigation is still underway & I haven't heard anything about how this will work for him or me.I will be interested to see how it plays out and share that with the hunter ed students as well. I go back and forth on this. I keep siding on the "this was an accident that could have been prevented but don't think anyone should get a ticket or lose hunting privileges."
It was an accident and I'm not sure how F&G will handle this.
I will wait until it is all settled to ask your opinion, probably via PM.