Post by: Dan-o on April 30, 2016, 05:55:35 PM
Won't tow anything heavy. Looking to get a 4-door 4x4.
Lots of highway.
Saw a 2016 that I liked for a good price.
Has a 3.5 Ecoboost. Seems small?????????????
Can anyone tell me about these? How are they doing?
OR, can you point me to a Ford forum where I can read up on Ecoboosts?
Thanks!
Post by: Bofire on April 30, 2016, 05:58:07 PM
Carl
Post by: Dan-o on April 30, 2016, 06:06:56 PM
Thanks for the input.
Post by: jackelope on April 30, 2016, 06:18:07 PM
Post by: RadSav on April 30, 2016, 06:20:51 PM
people I know that have them say it has enough power but only gets like 14 mpg.
Carl
Wow, my Duramax get's 22 if not towing and it's got power up the bunghole! Though I have to admit I don't look much like a pimp when driving it. That might be a deal breaker for most yuppy urban assault vehicle drivers.
Post by: BigGoonTuna on April 30, 2016, 07:04:30 PM
wish they'd dump the V6 and go back to an inline. chevy came to their senses and started making I6 engines again.
Post by: 2labs on April 30, 2016, 07:25:18 PM
Post by: MountainWalk on April 30, 2016, 07:48:45 PM
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Post by: JakeLand on April 30, 2016, 08:06:34 PM
Post by: 270Shooter on April 30, 2016, 08:44:08 PM
Post by: jackelope on April 30, 2016, 08:52:55 PM
just seems like a 3.5l engine isn't going to last long if it's pumped up from the factory to make V8 power.The power comes from a couple turbos. I've got them in my shop with over 100k on them getting the snot beat out of them by construction companies. They seem to be holding up just fine. No comment re: I-6's.
wish they'd dump the V6 and go back to an inline. chevy came to their senses and started making I6 engines again.
Post by: jackelope on April 30, 2016, 08:53:12 PM
Save the worries and buy Toyota
What worries?
Post by: NW-GSP on May 01, 2016, 05:59:00 AM
people I know that have them say it has enough power but only gets like 14 mpg.
Carl
Wow, my Duramax get's 22 if not towing and it's got power up the bunghole! Though I have to admit I don't look much like a pimp when driving it. That might be a deal breaker for most yuppy urban assault vehicle drivers.
I'm in the same boat as you. I can drive from the west side and over to Chelan and back with a average mpg of 21 with my duramax.
Post by: LabChamp on May 01, 2016, 07:19:43 AM
Save the worries and buy Toyota
As all of our hard earned dollars fly over to another country smh buy american. Just bc they are "built in the usa" (great marketing ploy) doesnt mean your money stays in the USA. Lets help ourselves and the economy out and atleast buy real american made/manufactured vehicles assembled by american owned companies
Post by: LabChamp on May 01, 2016, 07:25:18 AM
Post by: bwhntr350 on May 01, 2016, 07:32:07 AM
But, I did. I got rid of it in September for a 2015 3.5 liter Ecoboost. I was the most skeptical of all, I think.
I'm now 7 months in and all I can say is "Wow". It tows my boat with such ease. Up Graham hill from a dead stop at 232nd and it's like nothing. Tows better than my 2002 did with the 5.4 V8. It gets up and goes but I don't think the top end is as nearly amazing. Once you hit about 60 or 70 the amazing part goes away, but still, it's a 3.5 liter.
Mileage? Hmm, Ford lies! I hit around 22 to 23 on the highway, which is good, no problem there. They say city driving is 19 mpg. I'm regularly around 17.5. That is not bad for a full size truck but it is not what Ford claims. towing my boat, which is not heavy, 17' aluminum with a 40 horse. I get just over 19mpg on the highway and 15 to 16, it seems, hard to figure that one, in the city.
Overall, I am super impressed and, absolutely, love the truck. Another guy I know has a 17' Arima. He traded his diesel in for the Ecoboost and says he will never own anything else. He raves about it.
My two cents... I love when people bash Fords. I don't argue one way or another. I just know for beating a truck to death that Ford has never let me down, no breakdowns in well over 600,000 miles of driving my previous three Fords and, other than tires, brakes, a couple u-joints, they just keep going. Will be curious to see what this 3.5 does..
Post by: HntnFsh on May 01, 2016, 07:45:11 AM
Save the worries and buy Toyota
As all of our hard earned dollars fly over to another country smh buy american. Just bc they are "built in the usa" (great marketing ploy) doesnt mean your money stays in the USA. Lets help ourselves and the economy out and atleast buy real american made/manufactured vehicles assembled by american owned companies
Where was your Ford built? Where are all the parts from?
Post by: yorketransport on May 01, 2016, 07:54:14 AM
just seems like a 3.5l engine isn't going to last long if it's pumped up from the factory to make V8 power.The power comes from a couple turbos. I've got them in my shop with over 100k on them getting the snot beat out of them by construction companies. They seem to be holding up just fine. No comment re: I-6's.
:yeah: It's amazing what a turbo will do to a relatively small engine. The fuel economy on them is pretty disappointing though. While I haven't spent much time in Fords lately I have spent a lot of time in Chevy vans comparing the smaller 4.8L and 6.0L engines under work conditions. For what you're doing (mostly highway miles) the smaller engine definitely has the power to get whatever you need done. The only time you'd have any complaints is if you did have to haul a load.
Like the others, my '05 Durramax averages about 20 mpg (mine has a 4:10 rearend so that doesn't help) and has all the power I could want. If you're really looking for a highway pickup, it may be worth looking into one of the small diesels in the Ram 1500. You'll likely get better fuel economy and a little extra power if you do need it.
Post by: JakeLand on May 01, 2016, 08:18:09 AM
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Post by: coachcw on May 01, 2016, 08:36:12 AM
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on May 01, 2016, 08:41:19 AM
Save the worries and buy Toyota
:yeah:
You would be happier driving it that letting it sit in the shop
...Toyota all the way :tup:
Post by: actionshooter on May 01, 2016, 12:57:47 PM
Post by: jackelope on May 01, 2016, 04:20:05 PM
Save the worries and buy Toyota
:yeah:
You would be happier driving it that letting it sit in the shop
...Toyota all the way :tup:
Please expand. What problems are the new ecoboost F150's having? This is a test.
Post by: JDHasty on May 01, 2016, 04:21:27 PM
people I know that have them say it has enough power but only gets like 14 mpg.
Carl
Never. Mine will get ~22 on the hwy to Portland @ 60 mph, gets ~ 16 day to day
Post by: JDHasty on May 01, 2016, 04:23:33 PM
just seems like a 3.5l engine isn't going to last long if it's pumped up from the factory to make V8 power.The power comes from a couple turbos. I've got them in my shop with over 100k on them getting the snot beat out of them by construction companies. They seem to be holding up just fine. No comment re: I-6's.
wish they'd dump the V6 and go back to an inline. chevy came to their senses and started making I6 engines again.
100,000 trouble free miles here w/just regular maintenance
Post by: JDHasty on May 01, 2016, 04:28:18 PM
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Post by: dscubame on May 01, 2016, 07:50:16 PM
Post by: Buzz2401 on May 02, 2016, 12:23:20 AM
Post by: bwhntr350 on May 02, 2016, 05:47:32 AM
But I like this video, it's old but pretty good.
Post by: hookr88 on May 02, 2016, 05:59:26 AM
Post by: JDHasty on May 02, 2016, 06:17:54 AM
I loved my eco-boost for the two weeks I had it. I was rear ended at 65 m.p.h. and basically walked away. Can't say enough about the safety aspects of the truck. The rear axle was underneath the back seat of my crew cab. As for the top end, my wife, when I let her drive the truck, decided to pass a semi(in Montana). The truck hit 90 m.p.h. no problem and had a lot more to give. :yike: My new one will be waiting for me when I get back to the states. Hey Buzz, what kind of extended warranty does your buddy have? I declined one that only covered up to 75,000 miles.
I'll let ya know what extended warranty I have. I have to look it up. It's good. Bought it through Kelleher, you could check w/them too. Straight up folks.
Post by: jackelope on May 02, 2016, 07:11:52 AM
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on May 02, 2016, 08:42:56 AM
Besides that its been great, tows the tractor and trailer very nicely (35hp John Deere and tandem axel trailer). MPG goes down when towing.
I avg 16- 17 this time of year daily driving. 12-13 towing heavier loads.
I am just about to hit 100k and its still has a lot of pep when I give it the gas pedal. I bought a 2012 and I get the occasional hiccup in shifting that those years got. Unfortunately, there isn't a reflash for my VIN yet, so I may get custom tuning to solve that problem. Its weird, if you try and drive slow, it will have a bad shift between 1-2 and 5-4. If I am on the throttle, I never have any issues.
Post by: whacker1 on May 02, 2016, 08:54:03 AM
They tow great. Better than a V8. They're trouble free. They get the same gas mileage as a V8. They run very smooth and very quietly. Don't buy a 2011 or early 2012. I'm surrounded by them every day of my life.
Jack, would you elaborate on what kind of issues the 2011 & 2012 have vs. the 2013 & 2014 & 2015 & 2016 for that matter? I am familiar with the transmission recall, but I am curious if there are other consistent trends out there that just haven't developed in the 2013 & 2014, etc.
Post by: JDHasty on May 02, 2016, 09:11:22 AM
I would only buy a service contract from the manufacturer. IE... if it's a Ford, buy a Ford ESP. It will be the most straight forward to deal with from both sides(the customer's side and the shop's side).
My Extended Service Contract is from National Auto Care Corporation. I purchased it through Kelleher in eBurg where we purchased our truck. I have Titus Will in Tacoma service my vehicle and they are impressed with the ease of working w/these guys. When he calls, they give the OK to proceed. I had issues w/the seat heater and they replaced the heater and then when that did not solve the issue they paid for a new seat cushion and installation. Paid for other minor issues as well.
I bought based on Kelleher's recommendation, they have been very good to deal with. We tried to shop for a pickup on the west side, but that didn't go very far.
Post by: KFhunter on May 02, 2016, 09:14:34 AM
works great for a city car picking up a bag or two of compost and a few shrubs :chuckle:
dang thing kept telling me to get a cup of coffee, then I thought that was funny so I started weaving in and out of my lane and the dash went all red and told me to pull over immediately and rest :chuckle:
wasn't sure it wasn't gonna call the cops on me :yike:
Post by: baldopepper on May 02, 2016, 09:38:48 AM
Post by: jackelope on May 02, 2016, 10:04:49 AM
Biggest issues they had were driveability issues related to the intercooler. It causes a shudder/misfire type feeling. It's been updated and the issue seems to be resolved as of maybe late 2012/early 2013? I can't recall exactly when.They tow great. Better than a V8. They're trouble free. They get the same gas mileage as a V8. They run very smooth and very quietly. Don't buy a 2011 or early 2012. I'm surrounded by them every day of my life.
Jack, would you elaborate on what kind of issues the 2011 & 2012 have vs. the 2013 & 2014 & 2015 & 2016 for that matter? I am familiar with the transmission recall, but I am curious if there are other consistent trends out there that just haven't developed in the 2013 & 2014, etc.
I would only buy a service contract from the manufacturer. IE... if it's a Ford, buy a Ford ESP. It will be the most straight forward to deal with from both sides(the customer's side and the shop's side).
My Extended Service Contract is from National Auto Care Corporation. I purchased it through Kelleher in eBurg where we purchased our truck. I have Titus Will in Tacoma service my vehicle and they are impressed with the ease of working w/these guys. When he calls, they give the OK to proceed. I had issues w/the seat heater and they replaced the heater and then when that did not solve the issue they paid for a new seat cushion and installation. Paid for other minor issues as well.
I bought based on Kelleher's recommendation, they have been very good to deal with. We tried to shop for a pickup on the west side, but that didn't go very far.
I deal with service contracts all day every day. Some are good, some stink. None have ever been easier, more straight forward or more user friendly than from the manufacturers. The little piddly stuff is easy for all of them. It's when you get into the bigger stuff where the good ones shine and the mediocre ones crap out. Things like, hypothetically your water pump leaks and the service contract will pay for the water pump but they won't pay for the coolant or the belt that is saturated with coolant because of the leaking water pump. I'm not referring to yours, JD...I'm just saying these are the differences between the good companies to deal with and the not good. If your National is underwritten by Payment Insured Plans, it is a great company to deal with, but they don't have the same levels of coverages that the manufacturers' contracts have.
Post by: JDHasty on May 02, 2016, 10:04:58 AM
I'm on my 6th ford pick up (3 rangers, 3 F-150) averaged 185,000 on all and other than crappy front brakes no problems. Owned 2 Dodges, never again-nothing but problems. currently on a 2015 with the 5litre V-8. Not towing I'm getting 21.5 mph, towing a boat or utility trailer 18.5. I drive back and forth from Tacoma to Near Kettle Falls so I get in a lot of Highway driving. Love this 2015, very quiet, runs great and rides very nicely. Never owned a Toyota or Chev. , but until Fords give me a reason to change I won't.
Very quiet :yeah:
Post by: JDHasty on May 02, 2016, 10:07:44 AM
Biggest issues they had were driveability issues related to the intercooler. It causes a shudder/misfire type feeling. It's been updated and the issue seems to be resolved as of maybe late 2012/early 2013? I can't recall exactly when.They tow great. Better than a V8. They're trouble free. They get the same gas mileage as a V8. They run very smooth and very quietly. Don't buy a 2011 or early 2012. I'm surrounded by them every day of my life.
Jack, would you elaborate on what kind of issues the 2011 & 2012 have vs. the 2013 & 2014 & 2015 & 2016 for that matter? I am familiar with the transmission recall, but I am curious if there are other consistent trends out there that just haven't developed in the 2013 & 2014, etc.I would only buy a service contract from the manufacturer. IE... if it's a Ford, buy a Ford ESP. It will be the most straight forward to deal with from both sides(the customer's side and the shop's side).
My Extended Service Contract is from National Auto Care Corporation. I purchased it through Kelleher in eBurg where we purchased our truck. I have Titus Will in Tacoma service my vehicle and they are impressed with the ease of working w/these guys. When he calls, they give the OK to proceed. I had issues w/the seat heater and they replaced the heater and then when that did not solve the issue they paid for a new seat cushion and installation. Paid for other minor issues as well.
I bought based on Kelleher's recommendation, they have been very good to deal with. We tried to shop for a pickup on the west side, but that didn't go very far.
I deal with service contracts all day every day. Some are good, some stink. None have ever been easier, more straight forward or more user friendly than from the manufacturers. The little piddly stuff is easy for all of them. It's when you get into the bigger stuff where the good ones shine and the mediocre ones crap out. Things like, hypothetically your water pump leaks and the service contract will pay for the water pump but they won't pay for the coolant
My service adviser has never seen one pay for a replacement seat cushion. This is the second one of these contracts I have had from them and they have been good. I have had the same service adviser for fifteen years and he is impressed w/them too. I agree though the factory contract is better in almost every way, almost double the money though.
Post by: whacker1 on May 02, 2016, 10:38:03 AM
Post by: Wake1 on May 02, 2016, 10:46:52 AM
Post by: Mossy on May 02, 2016, 12:13:03 PM
Post by: floatinghat on May 02, 2016, 01:13:20 PM
I looked at getting a new pickup and waffled between a few models. Each company has strengths and challenges, I would target model/brand specific forums and make your decision from that information. Remember that like this site a huge percentage come only to bitch about something. My driver is and toyota landcruiser, I maintain it and it runs great, I6 250K miles, burns no oil, eats lots of fuel, and will leave about any stock truck behind in the woods.
Post by: jackelope on May 02, 2016, 01:17:16 PM
Biggest issues they had were driveability issues related to the intercooler. It causes a shudder/misfire type feeling. It's been updated and the issue seems to be resolved as of maybe late 2012/early 2013? I can't recall exactly when.They tow great. Better than a V8. They're trouble free. They get the same gas mileage as a V8. They run very smooth and very quietly. Don't buy a 2011 or early 2012. I'm surrounded by them every day of my life.
Jack, would you elaborate on what kind of issues the 2011 & 2012 have vs. the 2013 & 2014 & 2015 & 2016 for that matter? I am familiar with the transmission recall, but I am curious if there are other consistent trends out there that just haven't developed in the 2013 & 2014, etc.I would only buy a service contract from the manufacturer. IE... if it's a Ford, buy a Ford ESP. It will be the most straight forward to deal with from both sides(the customer's side and the shop's side).
My Extended Service Contract is from National Auto Care Corporation. I purchased it through Kelleher in eBurg where we purchased our truck. I have Titus Will in Tacoma service my vehicle and they are impressed with the ease of working w/these guys. When he calls, they give the OK to proceed. I had issues w/the seat heater and they replaced the heater and then when that did not solve the issue they paid for a new seat cushion and installation. Paid for other minor issues as well.
I bought based on Kelleher's recommendation, they have been very good to deal with. We tried to shop for a pickup on the west side, but that didn't go very far.
I deal with service contracts all day every day. Some are good, some stink. None have ever been easier, more straight forward or more user friendly than from the manufacturers. The little piddly stuff is easy for all of them. It's when you get into the bigger stuff where the good ones shine and the mediocre ones crap out. Things like, hypothetically your water pump leaks and the service contract will pay for the water pump but they won't pay for the coolant
My service adviser has never seen one pay for a replacement seat cushion. This is the second one of these contracts I have had from them and they have been good. I have had the same service adviser for fifteen years and he is impressed w/them too. I agree though the factory contract is better in almost every way, almost double the money though.
In a round-about sort of way, the seat cushion is the element. They call it a thermal electric device(TED). That's why it's covered. It wouldn't shock me if the dealership ate the first repair once they realized the tech mis-diagnosed it. I'm not saying for sure that's what happened, but I'd be willing to bet I'm not too far off.
Post by: Special T on May 02, 2016, 02:11:45 PM
And if we just had a little diesel? That doesn't have the EPA around its throat?My folks have an 03 mini whi. Ie with the Mercedes I li e 5 with a. Automatic tra ny. They get 18mpgto AZ and back a d got 14 towi g their PTCruizer.
Post by: Grit dog on May 02, 2016, 09:41:19 PM
And if we just had a little diesel? That doesn't have the EPA around its throat?My folks have an 03 mini whi. Ie with the Mercedes I li e 5 with a. Automatic tra ny. They get 18mpgto AZ and back a d got 14 towi g their PTCruizer.
^ lol!
Post by: Taco280AI on May 02, 2016, 10:06:02 PM
Sold Dodges for a while ten years ago and loaded was in the high $30s. We had a 2500 mega cab diesel, every option, wheel and tire package, lifted...everything... that went for $55k with all that markup.
Got a smokin deal on my 15 Tacoma last year at $29,700 from $35,300 but even the new 3.5 liter Tacos are going for $39k.
Post by: Dan-o on May 02, 2016, 10:39:37 PM
I would damn near buy you one Dan 0 if that would get you to finally change your avatar pic.
I'll take it!!!!
Do you know a good insurance agent?
Post by: JDHasty on May 03, 2016, 05:34:31 AM
I'm amazed at the sticker prices of full sized trucks now. Nicely, but not fully, equipped is $50k. Fully loaded 1/2 tons are $60k!
Sold Dodges for a while ten years ago and loaded was in the high $30s. We had a 2500 mega cab diesel, every option, wheel and tire package, lifted...everything... that went for $55k with all that markup.
Got a smokin deal on my 15 Tacoma last year at $29,700 from $35,300 but even the new 3.5 liter Tacos are going for $39k.
No kidding. We use F150 4x4 Lariat SCREWs w/max tow pkg, don't want painted bumpers like on KRs, and they are spendy. I try to make our trucks last but the last couple have been wiped out by idiots w/no insurance, no license.
Post by: Fishoutdoors2016 on May 03, 2016, 01:54:34 PM
Post by: jaymark6655 on May 04, 2016, 05:16:58 AM
Post by: JDHasty on May 04, 2016, 05:37:03 AM
A co-worker has had two in the past two years. The first was the first year the eco-boost was in the truck and it never ran right, he didn't want to mess with it and sold it. Thinking that Ford had work all the problems out he bought another, newer model (2015). It misfires every cold start, took it into Ford and was told that all spark plugs and coil packs were bad on one side, they "fixed it". Next morning, same problem. Started doing research and Ford thought that the intercooler was making the intake air "too cold" and their solution was to block off parts of the intercooler. :o :dunno: Personally, I think that is the dumbest thing I have heard off. If you hang around racing any you will see turbo car icing down their air intakes to get the intake air colder. Ford has since come back and started pulling all the intercooler shields off. Really what I think it is, Ford has a turbo motor with no catch can. My turbo car had a catch can from the factory. With the turbo motor, there is a lot higher cylinder pressure, causing more blow by gasses. Without the catch can a whole lot of crap is getting pushed into the intake and is blowing out the spark or in some really bad cases, locking up the motor. This truck has now been returned to the dealership three or four times. He has had to call the regional manager and they are having him take it to a different dealership. The other dealership has refused to even look at the truck. His own research tells him if he adds a catch can, the problem will be solved. However, doing so will void his warranty. Right now he is just trying to dump the thing and buy a Tundra.
"His own research tells him..." That to me is clue # 1 to what seems to be going on here.
I have met people who you could place in a padded room with two bowling balls and tell them to keep their mitts off the two bowling balls... then leave and come back an hour later and one ball would be lost and the other one would be broken. Some people just have a certain knack for screwing things up.
My cousin had her vehicle, which was under warranty, parked at an undisclosed location (locked in my mother's garage) when she and my mother visited relatives in Ireland, which I thought was rather strange, until my mother reminded her of my cousin's shadetree jack-wagon husband the know-it-all.
After marrying this clown this cousin has owned new vehicles that she gets rid of as soon as the factory warranty is getting close to expiring. Her husband is strictly forbidden to touch them w/a tool. Her previous vehicle to the one left for a month at the undisclosed location never had a problem and she loved the car, despite the fact that her husband "noticed some little issue," yea right, roll eyes, every time he sat in the car. He is and has been under strict orders to never touch her vehicle with a tool of any sort, however when she was on a trip to California Sir Brilliance took it upon himself to "fix" her vehicle. Needless to say, when she got home the car had real, not imaginary, issues.
I know a dozen people who own 3.5 EcoBoost F150s and not a single one has had any major issue with it.
Post by: jackelope on May 04, 2016, 08:59:15 AM
A co-worker has had two in the past two years. The first was the first year the eco-boost was in the truck and it never ran right, he didn't want to mess with it and sold it. Thinking that Ford had work all the problems out he bought another, newer model (2015). It misfires every cold start, took it into Ford and was told that all spark plugs and coil packs were bad on one side, they "fixed it". Next morning, same problem. Started doing research and Ford thought that the intercooler was making the intake air "too cold" and their solution was to block off parts of the intercooler. :o :dunno: Personally, I think that is the dumbest thing I have heard off. If you hang around racing any you will see turbo car icing down their air intakes to get the intake air colder. Ford has since come back and started pulling all the intercooler shields off. Really what I think it is, Ford has a turbo motor with no catch can. My turbo car had a catch can from the factory. With the turbo motor, there is a lot higher cylinder pressure, causing more blow by gasses. Without the catch can a whole lot of crap is getting pushed into the intake and is blowing out the spark or in some really bad cases, locking up the motor. This truck has now been returned to the dealership three or four times. He has had to call the regional manager and they are having him take it to a different dealership. The other dealership has refused to even look at the truck. His own research tells him if he adds a catch can, the problem will be solved. However, doing so will void his warranty. Right now he is just trying to dump the thing and buy a Tundra.
"His own research tells him..." That to me is clue # 1 to what seems to be going on here.
I have met people who you could place in a padded room with two bowling balls and tell them to keep their mitts off the two bowling balls... then leave and come back an hour later and one ball would be lost and the other one would be broken. Some people just have a certain knack for screwing things up.
My cousin had her vehicle, which was under warranty, parked at an undisclosed location (locked in my mother's garage) when she and my mother visited relatives in Ireland, which I thought was rather strange, until my mother reminded her of my cousin's shadetree jack-wagon husband the know-it-all.
After marrying this clown this cousin has owned new vehicles that she gets rid of as soon as the factory warranty is getting close to expiring. Her husband is strictly forbidden to touch them w/a tool. Her previous vehicle to the one left for a month at the undisclosed location never had a problem and she loved the car, despite the fact that her husband "noticed some little issue," yea right, roll eyes, every time he sat in the car. He is and has been under strict orders to never touch her vehicle with a tool of any sort, however when she was on a trip to California Sir Brilliance took it upon himself to "fix" her vehicle. Needless to say, when she got home the car had real, not imaginary, issues.
I know a dozen people who own 3.5 EcoBoost F150s and not a single one has had any major issue with it.
There were major issues with 3.5L Ecoboost F150's. For sure. I work for Ford. It's a real thing.
Just want to put that out there.
Post by: jackelope on May 04, 2016, 09:17:18 AM
A co-worker has had two in the past two years. The first was the first year the eco-boost was in the truck and it never ran right, he didn't want to mess with it and sold it. Thinking that Ford had work all the problems out he bought another, newer model (2015). It misfires every cold start, took it into Ford and was told that all spark plugs and coil packs were bad on one side, they "fixed it". Next morning, same problem. Started doing research and Ford thought that the intercooler was making the intake air "too cold" and their solution was to block off parts of the intercooler. :o :dunno: Personally, I think that is the dumbest thing I have heard off. If you hang around racing any you will see turbo car icing down their air intakes to get the intake air colder. Ford has since come back and started pulling all the intercooler shields off. Really what I think it is, Ford has a turbo motor with no catch can. My turbo car had a catch can from the factory. With the turbo motor, there is a lot higher cylinder pressure, causing more blow by gasses. Without the catch can a whole lot of crap is getting pushed into the intake and is blowing out the spark or in some really bad cases, locking up the motor. This truck has now been returned to the dealership three or four times. He has had to call the regional manager and they are having him take it to a different dealership. The other dealership has refused to even look at the truck. His own research tells him if he adds a catch can, the problem will be solved. However, doing so will void his warranty. Right now he is just trying to dump the thing and buy a Tundra.Is it a misfire or is it a noise your buddy is experiencing?
TSB 16-0027 addresses a noise that is a known issue. It is a new TSB and applies to 3.5GTDI built before 5/29/15. Relates to replacing VCT phasers on both banks and timing chain. If your buddy is anywhere near me, send me a pm. I'm happy to have my team look at his truck.
The TSB 14-0017 regarding removing the air deflectors in the intercooler is on 2013-2014's. There's also a step in this TSB where you may or may not have to replace the left bank cat converter.
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on May 04, 2016, 09:24:26 AM
A co-worker has had two in the past two years. The first was the first year the eco-boost was in the truck and it never ran right, he didn't want to mess with it and sold it. Thinking that Ford had work all the problems out he bought another, newer model (2015). It misfires every cold start, took it into Ford and was told that all spark plugs and coil packs were bad on one side, they "fixed it". Next morning, same problem. Started doing research and Ford thought that the intercooler was making the intake air "too cold" and their solution was to block off parts of the intercooler. :o :dunno: Personally, I think that is the dumbest thing I have heard off. If you hang around racing any you will see turbo car icing down their air intakes to get the intake air colder. Ford has since come back and started pulling all the intercooler shields off. Really what I think it is, Ford has a turbo motor with no catch can. My turbo car had a catch can from the factory. With the turbo motor, there is a lot higher cylinder pressure, causing more blow by gasses. Without the catch can a whole lot of crap is getting pushed into the intake and is blowing out the spark or in some really bad cases, locking up the motor. This truck has now been returned to the dealership three or four times. He has had to call the regional manager and they are having him take it to a different dealership. The other dealership has refused to even look at the truck. His own research tells him if he adds a catch can, the problem will be solved. However, doing so will void his warranty. Right now he is just trying to dump the thing and buy a Tundra.
"His own research tells him..." That to me is clue # 1 to what seems to be going on here.
I have met people who you could place in a padded room with two bowling balls and tell them to keep their mitts off the two bowling balls... then leave and come back an hour later and one ball would be lost and the other one would be broken. Some people just have a certain knack for screwing things up.
My cousin had her vehicle, which was under warranty, parked at an undisclosed location (locked in my mother's garage) when she and my mother visited relatives in Ireland, which I thought was rather strange, until my mother reminded her of my cousin's shadetree jack-wagon husband the know-it-all.
After marrying this clown this cousin has owned new vehicles that she gets rid of as soon as the factory warranty is getting close to expiring. Her husband is strictly forbidden to touch them w/a tool. Her previous vehicle to the one left for a month at the undisclosed location never had a problem and she loved the car, despite the fact that her husband "noticed some little issue," yea right, roll eyes, every time he sat in the car. He is and has been under strict orders to never touch her vehicle with a tool of any sort, however when she was on a trip to California Sir Brilliance took it upon himself to "fix" her vehicle. Needless to say, when she got home the car had real, not imaginary, issues.
I know a dozen people who own 3.5 EcoBoost F150s and not a single one has had any major issue with it.
There were major issues with 3.5L Ecoboost F150's. For sure. I work for Ford. It's a real thing.
Just want to put that out there.
Plus 1 on issues. The 2011-2012 had a few. Mine has the hard shift issue and from what I heard there was a reflash issued to solve that problem. However, the dealership tells me there isn't one for my 2012 yet?! I have the same shifting problems as other 2011 and 2012s, so whats going on? Is there a way I can verify on my own that there is or isn't a reflash issued for my truck, or do I need to trust the dealership?
Post by: Taco280AI on May 04, 2016, 09:46:24 AM
Post by: jackelope on May 04, 2016, 10:05:51 AM
A co-worker has had two in the past two years. The first was the first year the eco-boost was in the truck and it never ran right, he didn't want to mess with it and sold it. Thinking that Ford had work all the problems out he bought another, newer model (2015). It misfires every cold start, took it into Ford and was told that all spark plugs and coil packs were bad on one side, they "fixed it". Next morning, same problem. Started doing research and Ford thought that the intercooler was making the intake air "too cold" and their solution was to block off parts of the intercooler. :o :dunno: Personally, I think that is the dumbest thing I have heard off. If you hang around racing any you will see turbo car icing down their air intakes to get the intake air colder. Ford has since come back and started pulling all the intercooler shields off. Really what I think it is, Ford has a turbo motor with no catch can. My turbo car had a catch can from the factory. With the turbo motor, there is a lot higher cylinder pressure, causing more blow by gasses. Without the catch can a whole lot of crap is getting pushed into the intake and is blowing out the spark or in some really bad cases, locking up the motor. This truck has now been returned to the dealership three or four times. He has had to call the regional manager and they are having him take it to a different dealership. The other dealership has refused to even look at the truck. His own research tells him if he adds a catch can, the problem will be solved. However, doing so will void his warranty. Right now he is just trying to dump the thing and buy a Tundra.
"His own research tells him..." That to me is clue # 1 to what seems to be going on here.
I have met people who you could place in a padded room with two bowling balls and tell them to keep their mitts off the two bowling balls... then leave and come back an hour later and one ball would be lost and the other one would be broken. Some people just have a certain knack for screwing things up.
My cousin had her vehicle, which was under warranty, parked at an undisclosed location (locked in my mother's garage) when she and my mother visited relatives in Ireland, which I thought was rather strange, until my mother reminded her of my cousin's shadetree jack-wagon husband the know-it-all.
After marrying this clown this cousin has owned new vehicles that she gets rid of as soon as the factory warranty is getting close to expiring. Her husband is strictly forbidden to touch them w/a tool. Her previous vehicle to the one left for a month at the undisclosed location never had a problem and she loved the car, despite the fact that her husband "noticed some little issue," yea right, roll eyes, every time he sat in the car. He is and has been under strict orders to never touch her vehicle with a tool of any sort, however when she was on a trip to California Sir Brilliance took it upon himself to "fix" her vehicle. Needless to say, when she got home the car had real, not imaginary, issues.
I know a dozen people who own 3.5 EcoBoost F150s and not a single one has had any major issue with it.
There were major issues with 3.5L Ecoboost F150's. For sure. I work for Ford. It's a real thing.
Just want to put that out there.
Plus 1 on issues. The 2011-2012 had a few. Mine has the hard shift issue and from what I heard there was a reflash issued to solve that problem. However, the dealership tells me there isn't one for my 2012 yet?! I have the same shifting problems as other 2011 and 2012s, so whats going on? Is there a way I can verify on my own that there is or isn't a reflash issued for my truck, or do I need to trust the dealership?
Send me a pm with your VIN #.
Post by: jackelope on May 04, 2016, 10:06:43 AM
Guy in my company bought the 3.5 after returning from Germany last summer. Brand new. Forgot what the issue was, but within a few months of problems the dealership bought it back.
Ford bought it back. Dealerships don't do buybacks. Not that it matters that much I guess. Buybacks happen all the time with everything.
Post by: jaymark6655 on May 04, 2016, 10:08:20 AM
Definitely a misfire during warm up, even happens on warm 85 degree days. I was standing outside his truck waiting for the cab to cool down before climbing in when several people including myself heard it. That was after the coil packs and spark plugs had been replaced due to one whole side of the engine not firing.A co-worker has had two in the past two years. The first was the first year the eco-boost was in the truck and it never ran right, he didn't want to mess with it and sold it. Thinking that Ford had work all the problems out he bought another, newer model (2015). It misfires every cold start, took it into Ford and was told that all spark plugs and coil packs were bad on one side, they "fixed it". Next morning, same problem. Started doing research and Ford thought that the intercooler was making the intake air "too cold" and their solution was to block off parts of the intercooler. :o :dunno: Personally, I think that is the dumbest thing I have heard off. If you hang around racing any you will see turbo car icing down their air intakes to get the intake air colder. Ford has since come back and started pulling all the intercooler shields off. Really what I think it is, Ford has a turbo motor with no catch can. My turbo car had a catch can from the factory. With the turbo motor, there is a lot higher cylinder pressure, causing more blow by gasses. Without the catch can a whole lot of crap is getting pushed into the intake and is blowing out the spark or in some really bad cases, locking up the motor. This truck has now been returned to the dealership three or four times. He has had to call the regional manager and they are having him take it to a different dealership. The other dealership has refused to even look at the truck. His own research tells him if he adds a catch can, the problem will be solved. However, doing so will void his warranty. Right now he is just trying to dump the thing and buy a Tundra.Is it a misfire or is it a noise your buddy is experiencing?
TSB 16-0027 addresses a noise that is a known issue. It is a new TSB and applies to 3.5GTDI built before 5/29/15. Relates to replacing VCT phasers on both banks and timing chain. If your buddy is anywhere near me, send me a pm. I'm happy to have my team look at his truck.
The TSB 14-0017 regarding removing the air deflectors in the intercooler is on 2013-2014's. There's also a step in this TSB where you may or may not have to replace the left bank cat converter.
Post by: jaymark6655 on May 04, 2016, 10:24:15 AM
A co-worker has had two in the past two years. The first was the first year the eco-boost was in the truck and it never ran right, he didn't want to mess with it and sold it. Thinking that Ford had work all the problems out he bought another, newer model (2015). It misfires every cold start, took it into Ford and was told that all spark plugs and coil packs were bad on one side, they "fixed it". Next morning, same problem. Started doing research and Ford thought that the intercooler was making the intake air "too cold" and their solution was to block off parts of the intercooler. :o :dunno: Personally, I think that is the dumbest thing I have heard off. If you hang around racing any you will see turbo car icing down their air intakes to get the intake air colder. Ford has since come back and started pulling all the intercooler shields off. Really what I think it is, Ford has a turbo motor with no catch can. My turbo car had a catch can from the factory. With the turbo motor, there is a lot higher cylinder pressure, causing more blow by gasses. Without the catch can a whole lot of crap is getting pushed into the intake and is blowing out the spark or in some really bad cases, locking up the motor. This truck has now been returned to the dealership three or four times. He has had to call the regional manager and they are having him take it to a different dealership. The other dealership has refused to even look at the truck. His own research tells him if he adds a catch can, the problem will be solved. However, doing so will void his warranty. Right now he is just trying to dump the thing and buy a Tundra.
"His own research tells him..." That to me is clue # 1 to what seems to be going on here.
I have met people who you could place in a padded room with two bowling balls and tell them to keep their mitts off the two bowling balls... then leave and come back an hour later and one ball would be lost and the other one would be broken. Some people just have a certain knack for screwing things up.
My cousin had her vehicle, which was under warranty, parked at an undisclosed location (locked in my mother's garage) when she and my mother visited relatives in Ireland, which I thought was rather strange, until my mother reminded her of my cousin's shadetree jack-wagon husband the know-it-all.
After marrying this clown this cousin has owned new vehicles that she gets rid of as soon as the factory warranty is getting close to expiring. Her husband is strictly forbidden to touch them w/a tool. Her previous vehicle to the one left for a month at the undisclosed location never had a problem and she loved the car, despite the fact that her husband "noticed some little issue," yea right, roll eyes, every time he sat in the car. He is and has been under strict orders to never touch her vehicle with a tool of any sort, however when she was on a trip to California Sir Brilliance took it upon himself to "fix" her vehicle. Needless to say, when she got home the car had real, not imaginary, issues.
I know a dozen people who own 3.5 EcoBoost F150s and not a single one has had any major issue with it.
He had a problem, took it to the dealership. They replaced coil packs and spark plugs, he had same misfire in warm up the very next day. He took it back to them, they said something else was screwed up. Got the truck back still had the same problem. Took it back a third time and was told about the catch can by one of the guys working at the dealership. They took his car to work on it, called him said they had to replace the spark plugs and coil packs again (at his cost of course). About 15 minutes later he gets a call from the manager telling him there is nothing wrong with his truck, they didn't do anything, come pick it up. Of course he picks it up and it still is misfiring, so he starts researching online and asking questions. He is not anything like what you assume him to be. He wants the problem fixed because he doesn't want to buy another truck, but he also isn't doing anything because his truck is under warranty and he doesn't want to void that warranty. Right now he has called the regional manager, she told him to take it to another dealership. This other dealership does not want to work on it because the first dealership touched it. The first keeps telling him there is no problem or replacing parts that are breaking due to the problem not fixing the problem. All I know is he is about to take them to court. So dealerships might not buy trucks back, but I would be shocked if they don't end up with the truck and he ends up with his money being returned.
As for the dozen people; thousands of people drive this truck and don't see any issue with it, but most people these days don't have a clue.
Post by: jaymark6655 on May 04, 2016, 10:39:53 AM
A co-worker has had two in the past two years. The first was the first year the eco-boost was in the truck and it never ran right, he didn't want to mess with it and sold it. Thinking that Ford had work all the problems out he bought another, newer model (2015). It misfires every cold start, took it into Ford and was told that all spark plugs and coil packs were bad on one side, they "fixed it". Next morning, same problem. Started doing research and Ford thought that the intercooler was making the intake air "too cold" and their solution was to block off parts of the intercooler. :o :dunno: Personally, I think that is the dumbest thing I have heard off. If you hang around racing any you will see turbo car icing down their air intakes to get the intake air colder. Ford has since come back and started pulling all the intercooler shields off. Really what I think it is, Ford has a turbo motor with no catch can. My turbo car had a catch can from the factory. With the turbo motor, there is a lot higher cylinder pressure, causing more blow by gasses. Without the catch can a whole lot of crap is getting pushed into the intake and is blowing out the spark or in some really bad cases, locking up the motor. This truck has now been returned to the dealership three or four times. He has had to call the regional manager and they are having him take it to a different dealership. The other dealership has refused to even look at the truck. His own research tells him if he adds a catch can, the problem will be solved. However, doing so will void his warranty. Right now he is just trying to dump the thing and buy a Tundra.Is it a misfire or is it a noise your buddy is experiencing?
TSB 16-0027 addresses a noise that is a known issue. It is a new TSB and applies to 3.5GTDI built before 5/29/15. Relates to replacing VCT phasers on both banks and timing chain. If your buddy is anywhere near me, send me a pm. I'm happy to have my team look at his truck.
The TSB 14-0017 regarding removing the air deflectors in the intercooler is on 2013-2014's. There's also a step in this TSB where you may or may not have to replace the left bank cat converter.
Thanks for the offer unfortunately he lives in Indiana. We are familiar with the TSBs and supposedly the first dealership he took the truck to covered these, but I am starting to think they might be lying. They also are trying to tell the regional manager they have only worked on his truck one time, he has receipts proving otherwise.
Same place is also a Nissan dealership. I took a Quest in there for a Nissan TB dealing with the ECU. The check engine light came on and 4 to 6 sensors codes were being read. According to TB, this was due to a computer number and it just needed to be reprogrammed which would also change the part number for the computer. When I went in they tried to tell me that the TB only applied to the Altima, I told them both were covered under the same TB. They tried to look it up and said they weren't. I had to go find it myself and print it out. When I showed it to them, they said, "Oh! We'll fix that come pick it up in an hour, it will be $100." Came to pick van up and check engine light was still on. I thought it was strange that they didn't reset with reprogram. I am in the process taking it to another dealership to confirm whether TB was performed or not. I believe it was not done since they also didn't set up the TPS to recognize the new valve stems that needed to be replaced (tire shop didn't have programmer to handle the task).
Post by: jackelope on May 04, 2016, 10:45:49 AM
A co-worker has had two in the past two years. The first was the first year the eco-boost was in the truck and it never ran right, he didn't want to mess with it and sold it. Thinking that Ford had work all the problems out he bought another, newer model (2015). It misfires every cold start, took it into Ford and was told that all spark plugs and coil packs were bad on one side, they "fixed it". Next morning, same problem. Started doing research and Ford thought that the intercooler was making the intake air "too cold" and their solution was to block off parts of the intercooler. :o :dunno: Personally, I think that is the dumbest thing I have heard off. If you hang around racing any you will see turbo car icing down their air intakes to get the intake air colder. Ford has since come back and started pulling all the intercooler shields off. Really what I think it is, Ford has a turbo motor with no catch can. My turbo car had a catch can from the factory. With the turbo motor, there is a lot higher cylinder pressure, causing more blow by gasses. Without the catch can a whole lot of crap is getting pushed into the intake and is blowing out the spark or in some really bad cases, locking up the motor. This truck has now been returned to the dealership three or four times. He has had to call the regional manager and they are having him take it to a different dealership. The other dealership has refused to even look at the truck. His own research tells him if he adds a catch can, the problem will be solved. However, doing so will void his warranty. Right now he is just trying to dump the thing and buy a Tundra.Is it a misfire or is it a noise your buddy is experiencing?
TSB 16-0027 addresses a noise that is a known issue. It is a new TSB and applies to 3.5GTDI built before 5/29/15. Relates to replacing VCT phasers on both banks and timing chain. If your buddy is anywhere near me, send me a pm. I'm happy to have my team look at his truck.
The TSB 14-0017 regarding removing the air deflectors in the intercooler is on 2013-2014's. There's also a step in this TSB where you may or may not have to replace the left bank cat converter.
Thanks for the offer unfortunately he lives in Indiana. We are familiar with the TSBs and supposedly the first dealership he took the truck to covered these, but I am starting to think they might be lying. They also are trying to tell the regional manager they have only worked on his truck one time, he has receipts proving otherwise.
Same place is also a Nissan dealership. I took a Quest in there for a Nissan TB dealing with the ECU. The check engine light came on and 4 to 6 sensors codes were being read. According to TB, this was due to a computer number and it just needed to be reprogrammed which would also change the part number for the computer. When I went in they tried to tell me that the TB only applied to the Altima, I told them both were covered under the same TB. They tried to look it up and said they weren't. I had to go find it myself and print it out. When I showed it to them, they said, "Oh! We'll fix that come pick it up in an hour, it will be $100." Came to pick van up and check engine light was still on. I thought it was strange that they didn't reset with reprogram. I am in the process taking it to another dealership to confirm whether TB was performed or not. I believe it was not done since they also didn't set up the TPS to recognize the new valve stems that needed to be replaced (tire shop didn't have programmer to handle the task).
If you send me the VIN, I can tell you all the warranty work they have claimed. That will tell us exactly what they did.
The VCT phaser thing wasn't released till Feb 2016 so if it was before that that he was in the shop, they didn't do it.
Post by: jackelope on May 04, 2016, 10:54:18 AM
A co-worker has had two in the past two years. The first was the first year the eco-boost was in the truck and it never ran right, he didn't want to mess with it and sold it. Thinking that Ford had work all the problems out he bought another, newer model (2015). It misfires every cold start, took it into Ford and was told that all spark plugs and coil packs were bad on one side, they "fixed it". Next morning, same problem. Started doing research and Ford thought that the intercooler was making the intake air "too cold" and their solution was to block off parts of the intercooler. :o :dunno: Personally, I think that is the dumbest thing I have heard off. If you hang around racing any you will see turbo car icing down their air intakes to get the intake air colder. Ford has since come back and started pulling all the intercooler shields off. Really what I think it is, Ford has a turbo motor with no catch can. My turbo car had a catch can from the factory. With the turbo motor, there is a lot higher cylinder pressure, causing more blow by gasses. Without the catch can a whole lot of crap is getting pushed into the intake and is blowing out the spark or in some really bad cases, locking up the motor. This truck has now been returned to the dealership three or four times. He has had to call the regional manager and they are having him take it to a different dealership. The other dealership has refused to even look at the truck. His own research tells him if he adds a catch can, the problem will be solved. However, doing so will void his warranty. Right now he is just trying to dump the thing and buy a Tundra.
"His own research tells him..." That to me is clue # 1 to what seems to be going on here.
I have met people who you could place in a padded room with two bowling balls and tell them to keep their mitts off the two bowling balls... then leave and come back an hour later and one ball would be lost and the other one would be broken. Some people just have a certain knack for screwing things up.
My cousin had her vehicle, which was under warranty, parked at an undisclosed location (locked in my mother's garage) when she and my mother visited relatives in Ireland, which I thought was rather strange, until my mother reminded her of my cousin's shadetree jack-wagon husband the know-it-all.
After marrying this clown this cousin has owned new vehicles that she gets rid of as soon as the factory warranty is getting close to expiring. Her husband is strictly forbidden to touch them w/a tool. Her previous vehicle to the one left for a month at the undisclosed location never had a problem and she loved the car, despite the fact that her husband "noticed some little issue," yea right, roll eyes, every time he sat in the car. He is and has been under strict orders to never touch her vehicle with a tool of any sort, however when she was on a trip to California Sir Brilliance took it upon himself to "fix" her vehicle. Needless to say, when she got home the car had real, not imaginary, issues.
I know a dozen people who own 3.5 EcoBoost F150s and not a single one has had any major issue with it.
He had a problem, took it to the dealership. They replaced coil packs and spark plugs, he had same misfire in warm up the very next day. He took it back to them, they said something else was screwed up. Got the truck back still had the same problem. Took it back a third time and was told about the catch can by one of the guys working at the dealership. They took his car to work on it, called him said they had to replace the spark plugs and coil packs again (at his cost of course). About 15 minutes later he gets a call from the manager telling him there is nothing wrong with his truck, they didn't do anything, come pick it up. Of course he picks it up and it still is misfiring, so he starts researching online and asking questions. He is not anything like what you assume him to be. He wants the problem fixed because he doesn't want to buy another truck, but he also isn't doing anything because his truck is under warranty and he doesn't want to void that warranty. Right now he has called the regional manager, she told him to take it to another dealership. This other dealership does not want to work on it because the first dealership touched it. The first keeps telling him there is no problem or replacing parts that are breaking due to the problem not fixing the problem. All I know is he is about to take them to court. So dealerships might not buy trucks back, but I would be shocked if they don't end up with the truck and he ends up with his money being returned.
As for the dozen people; thousands of people drive this truck and don't see any issue with it, but most people these days don't have a clue.
There are huge red flags here. Why did he pay for spark plugs and coils if the truck is under warranty?
We have another local dealer we end up with problem children from. They are usually referred to us by our customer assistance center. The CAC doesn't tell the customer to take the truck there until it is arranged ahead of time by the CAC.
Post by: jackelope on May 04, 2016, 11:21:29 AM
I just tried to check warranty history on a truck and got shot down. I'm happy to check once it comes back online. Looks like it's down for periodic maintenance.
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Warranty History Notice!
Warranty history is currently unavailable for scheduled shutdown. It is scheduled to come back online on 5/5/2016 at 8:00 AM
Post by: jaymark6655 on May 04, 2016, 12:00:14 PM
Its really sad because other than the problems he is having he loved the truck, even convinced three other people to buy one.
Post by: jackelope on May 04, 2016, 01:17:09 PM
Cool, I will try to get the VIN tomorrow. I could never figure out why they made him pay for spark plugs with the warranty, I don't think they made him pay for the coil packs.
Its really sad because other than the problems he is having he loved the truck, even convinced three other people to buy one.
I could get it fixed for him if he were here.
Sorry for his trouble.
Sidenote....
This is weird...spark plugs, if they fail, are covered by the 8/80 federal emissions warranty.
Post by: yorketransport on May 05, 2016, 07:49:41 PM
Post by: jackelope on May 05, 2016, 09:54:25 PM
Jackelope, have you thought about just starting up a Ford troubleshooting blog? You rattle off real answers (not excuses) quicker than anyone I've heard! I wish I had a Ford just so I could play 20 questions with you.:chuckle:
Thanks for the compliments but the last thing on earth I want to do is spend more time talking about cars. I'm an amateur compared to the actual technicians on here. I know policy and procedures when it comes to manufacturer stuff I guess more than anything else. I'm not at all a technician.
Post by: Mxracer532 on May 06, 2016, 12:36:35 AM
Post by: luckyman on May 06, 2016, 05:46:29 AM
If there anything like the 2.0 Ecoboost you can have one but not the other. It fly's when you get on it but really drinks the fuel. Gets great mileage if you drive it easy.
These new transmissions kind of scare me. If it goes out $$
Post by: Alchase on May 06, 2016, 10:19:50 AM
Don't know about the Ecoboosts, my dad and a brother have had a few 5.4s and other then the spark plugs blowing out of the head and loosing coil packs and misfiring issues they haven't been terrible.
Thought this part was pretty funny!
I guess having Fords give "terrible" a new meaning, LOL
Post by: jackelope on May 06, 2016, 11:15:03 AM
Don't know about the Ecoboosts, my dad and a brother have had a few 5.4s and other then the spark plugs blowing out of the head and loosing coil packs and misfiring issues they haven't been terrible.
Thought this part was pretty funny!
I guess having Fords give "terrible" a new meaning, LOL
I think I've been here for 3.5 years now. The spark plugs blowing out of the heads are not very common. I've done maybe 4-5 of them in that time. That's average 10-12 cars a day for that time frame. 4.0L Jeep exhaust manifolds were waaaaayyyyyyy more common, and more expensive.
Coils and plugs happen virtually every day, but everything has that sort of issue regardless of model or manufacturer. They're really not that expensive to fix relatively speaking.
Post by: JDHasty on May 06, 2016, 11:19:50 AM
I think the 3.5 has a 10 speed transmission. you should get Good mileage and good power.
If there anything like the 2.0 Ecoboost you can have one but not the other. It fly's when you get on it but really drinks the fuel. Gets great mileage if you drive it easy.
These new transmissions kind of scare me. If it goes out $$
Six speed
Post by: luckyman on May 06, 2016, 05:06:43 PM
Post by: TheHunt on May 06, 2016, 09:01:15 PM
Post by: Mxracer532 on May 07, 2016, 12:51:05 AM
Don't know about the Ecoboosts, my dad and a brother have had a few 5.4s and other then the spark plugs blowing out of the head and loosing coil packs and misfiring issues they haven't been terrible.
Thought this part was pretty funny!
I guess having Fords give "terrible" a new meaning, LOL
I think I've been here for 3.5 years now. The spark plugs blowing out of the heads are not very common. I've done maybe 4-5 of them in that time. That's average 10-12 cars a day for that time frame. 4.0L Jeep exhaust manifolds were waaaaayyyyyyy more common, and more expensive.
Coils and plugs happen virtually every day, but everything has that sort of issue regardless of model or manufacturer. They're really not that expensive to fix relatively speaking.
Hmmmm, I researched this when it happened to my brother and it seemed to me by looking at f150 forums that it was very common due to the spark plugs only threading into the head about 2.5 turns. I changed the plugs on my dads at about 90k or so and all but one I could unthread by hand. My guess was it was just a matter of time before his were blowing out of the head as well. :dunno:
Post by: jackelope on May 07, 2016, 07:15:46 AM
Just telling you what I've seen in person. I'm a team service manager at a Ford dealer. It happens, but relative to other "common" issues vehicles have, it's not that common anymore. Maybe it was more common 10 years ago when the trucks were newer. I don't know. It's not all that common now. I have no allegiance to Ford. The more they break, the more money I make quite honestly. I have a new Ford vehicle in my driveway, but it's not a truck and I get sweet discounts. I don't "love" Ford vehicles so I'm not sticking up for them either.Don't know about the Ecoboosts, my dad and a brother have had a few 5.4s and other then the spark plugs blowing out of the head and loosing coil packs and misfiring issues they haven't been terrible.
Thought this part was pretty funny!
I guess having Fords give "terrible" a new meaning, LOL
I think I've been here for 3.5 years now. The spark plugs blowing out of the heads are not very common. I've done maybe 4-5 of them in that time. That's average 10-12 cars a day for that time frame. 4.0L Jeep exhaust manifolds were waaaaayyyyyyy more common, and more expensive.
Coils and plugs happen virtually every day, but everything has that sort of issue regardless of model or manufacturer. They're really not that expensive to fix relatively speaking.
Hmmmm, I researched this when it happened to my brother and it seemed to me by looking at f150 forums that it was very common due to the spark plugs only threading into the head about 2.5 turns. I changed the plugs on my dads at about 90k or so and all but one I could unthread by hand. My guess was it was just a matter of time before his were blowing out of the head as well. :dunno:
Post by: TheHunt on May 07, 2016, 07:43:34 AM
Post by: jackelope on May 07, 2016, 08:16:16 AM
Post by: 270Shooter on May 07, 2016, 09:17:19 AM
the only trucks that had a known problem with plugs blowing out were 97 to 03 fords with modular motors, the 4.6, 5.4, and the 6.8 v10 all had the same issue. Because of the Aluminum heads ford originally only torqued the plugs to 8 ft lbs which is not enough. I had one blow out of my 200 5.4 at 90k miles. At 135k now with no other engine issues. The 2004 to 2008 modular engines often broke their spark plugs upon removal because they came stock with a two piece plug and had a tendency to separate.Don't know about the Ecoboosts, my dad and a brother have had a few 5.4s and other then the spark plugs blowing out of the head and loosing coil packs and misfiring issues they haven't been terrible.
Thought this part was pretty funny!
I guess having Fords give "terrible" a new meaning, LOL
I think I've been here for 3.5 years now. The spark plugs blowing out of the heads are not very common. I've done maybe 4-5 of them in that time. That's average 10-12 cars a day for that time frame. 4.0L Jeep exhaust manifolds were waaaaayyyyyyy more common, and more expensive.
Coils and plugs happen virtually every day, but everything has that sort of issue regardless of model or manufacturer. They're really not that expensive to fix relatively speaking.
Hmmmm, I researched this when it happened to my brother and it seemed to me by looking at f150 forums that it was very common due to the spark plugs only threading into the head about 2.5 turns. I changed the plugs on my dads at about 90k or so and all but one I could unthread by hand. My guess was it was just a matter of time before his were blowing out of the head as well. :dunno:
Post by: JDHasty on May 08, 2016, 08:03:14 PM
WOW, I have a 2012 F150 ecoboost and I have never had a problem. I have just knocked on wood for the continuous good luck.
Ours is an '11, and I have a dozen friends who have bought them since we got ours. Ours has Max Tow and those are pretty rare, you can tell them by the big mirrors on them.
None of the friends who have bought them since we got ours has had any major issues, if anything most are more pleased with them than they thought they would be.
I was going to wait a few years to see how they were working out before buying one, but some knothead w/no insurance and no license totaled our '03 and we need our pickup.
Post by: wazzu99 on October 27, 2016, 12:44:22 PM
2012 F-150 with Ecoboost. Been a good truck thus far for almost 4 years. However, recently my mileage has dropped down from 18 highway to around 15 and even 13 mpg in town and my normal operating temp has dropped well below normal. I can drive my truck 20 mins to work in the morning and the temp gauge barely moves??? Not sure if its the gauge, other gauges seem to be normal... Any got any ideas?
wazzu99
Post by: whacker1 on October 27, 2016, 12:59:15 PM
New issue.....
2012 F-150 with Ecoboost. Been a good truck thus far for almost 4 years. However, recently my mileage has dropped down from 18 highway to around 15 and even 13 mpg in town and my normal operating temp has dropped well below normal. I can drive my truck 20 mins to work in the morning and the temp gauge barely moves??? Not sure if its the gauge, other gauges seem to be normal... Any got any ideas?
wazzu99
Layman terms sounds like a thermostat is stuck open....., but I am a desk jockey and not an auto professional.
Post by: Woodchuck on October 27, 2016, 01:01:58 PM
New issue.....Yes, likely thermostat stuck open. May also be at least part of the mileage issue. The colder the engine temp the richer it will run. :twocents:
2012 F-150 with Ecoboost. Been a good truck thus far for almost 4 years. However, recently my mileage has dropped down from 18 highway to around 15 and even 13 mpg in town and my normal operating temp has dropped well below normal. I can drive my truck 20 mins to work in the morning and the temp gauge barely moves??? Not sure if its the gauge, other gauges seem to be normal... Any got any ideas?
wazzu99
Post by: wazzu99 on October 28, 2016, 10:59:31 AM
thanks
Wazzu99
Post by: Survival Pack on October 28, 2016, 01:18:15 PM
Drawbacks...gas is never going to be as efficient as diesel so....with a load towing said trailer I'm at 10-11 miles per gallon. Still beats the Chevy 6.0 that was typically 9 mpg. Unloaded 18 mpg I-90 runs with cruise set at 75 (Chevy was 11-13mpg). I get 20 mpg back and forth to work on 50 mph highways(Chevy was 13mpg). Overall......including towing and unloaded for 9,000 miles I'm at 17.0 mpg (although I've found this to be about 1/2 - 1 mpg optimistic when hand calculating).
My chevy rocker panels and door frames were starting to rust through and I had broken manifold bolts as well or I'd still be driving it. Thought I'd try the aluminum to see if it holds up any better.....time will tell.
Post by: b23 on October 28, 2016, 04:37:00 PM
I may have a low mileage 2013 4dr TRD Supercharged Tacoma for sale in the coming months if anyone is interested. :tup: