Post by: stickman999 on May 27, 2016, 07:10:37 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on May 27, 2016, 07:14:38 AM
Let me just remind everyone that this is a heated subject and right now it is in the fishing section not off topics. Please remember to follow forum rules, it makes our high paying jobs easier. :chuckle:
Carry on.
Post by: mud on May 27, 2016, 07:50:57 AM
Post by: krout81 on May 27, 2016, 07:51:56 AM
Post by: The100Road on May 27, 2016, 08:56:54 AM
Post by: Derailed on May 27, 2016, 02:16:10 PM
Post by: Alchase on May 27, 2016, 02:27:45 PM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/northfalcon/
Does not sound like an agreement when only one side has all the closures!
Post by: JimmyHoffa on May 27, 2016, 02:31:51 PM
Post by: The100Road on May 27, 2016, 02:33:06 PM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/northfalcon/
Does not sound like an agreement when only one side has all the closures!
Exactly! what was being negotiated? how much money the WDFW was going to receive from the tribe? Doesn't seem like much of a negotiation. Seems like the tribes said "we are going to do whatever we want" and WDFW said "okay"
Post by: The100Road on May 27, 2016, 02:34:43 PM
The state's 50% is being caught in the saltwater. (supposed reason)
huh, Does 50% of salmon fisherman fish saltwater only? If not, Did they up the limits for those that do?
Post by: The100Road on May 27, 2016, 02:37:16 PM
The state's 50% is being caught in the saltwater. (supposed reason)
I don't fish the saltwater. Where is my 50% that I already paid for?
Not asking you specifically JimmyHoffa. Just sayin. this sucks.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on May 27, 2016, 02:51:36 PM
If they were to go for the 50% in the river, then they would have to close all the saltwater. I guess they think that the half caught in the sound will happen so fast they can't open river, no under quota from the salt? I think that was the trade off with WDFW to open up the sound.The state's 50% is being caught in the saltwater. (supposed reason)
I don't fish the saltwater. Where is my 50% that I already paid for?
Not asking you specifically JimmyHoffa. Just sayin. this sucks.
I don't get to the saltwater anymore either, and with the nets almost pointless to go to the river half the week.
Post by: fish vacuum on May 27, 2016, 03:25:02 PM
If there's any non tribal commercial coho fishery, that will count against your 50% too. Maybe you can buy one of "your" fish.The state's 50% is being caught in the saltwater. (supposed reason)
I don't fish the saltwater. Where is my 50% that I already paid for?
Not asking you specifically JimmyHoffa. Just sayin. this sucks.
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Post by: 7mmfan on May 27, 2016, 03:29:06 PM
Post by: The100Road on May 27, 2016, 03:39:49 PM
You guys have to remember, WDFW is not caving to the tribes. The tribes will do whatever they want because they have Federal backing. The state (us and WDFW) get what's left basically. The state has no say in what the Indians do.
If they have no say, Then what are the negotiations for?
Post by: The100Road on May 27, 2016, 03:42:11 PM
If there's any non tribal commercial coho fishery, that will count against your 50% too. Maybe you can buy one of "your" fish.The state's 50% is being caught in the saltwater. (supposed reason)
I don't fish the saltwater. Where is my 50% that I already paid for?
Not asking you specifically JimmyHoffa. Just sayin. this sucks.
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Are there commercial coho fisherys on the Puyallup River? I want to catch the fish I paid for on the river next to my house. If that river doesn't have enough fish. then that is fine. KNOWONE should be able to fish it.
Post by: fish vacuum on May 27, 2016, 03:46:00 PM
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Post by: The100Road on May 27, 2016, 03:47:13 PM
You guys have to remember, WDFW is not caving to the tribes. The tribes will do whatever they want because they have Federal backing. The state (us and WDFW) get what's left basically. The state has no say in what the Indians do.
If they have no say, Then what are the negotiations for?
fyi, Not trying to be an ass. These are serious questions. I know im not the most knowledgeable but this seems so wrong to me. What did the tribes give up for the slow coho run this year? Cause they are still going to slaughter them in the Puyallup. We know that much.
Post by: chester on May 27, 2016, 03:48:24 PM
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Post by: The100Road on May 27, 2016, 03:49:26 PM
Puyallup fish are caught in recreational and commercial fisheries in the salt. Those caught in the salt still count as Puyallup river fish.
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Do the tribes not catch any Puyallup river fish in the salt sense they are fishing the river?
Post by: The100Road on May 27, 2016, 03:52:57 PM
If there's any non tribal commercial coho fishery, that will count against your 50% too. Maybe you can buy one of "your" fish.The state's 50% is being caught in the saltwater. (supposed reason)
I don't fish the saltwater. Where is my 50% that I already paid for?
Not asking you specifically JimmyHoffa. Just sayin. this sucks.
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Oh yeah, Already paid for "my" fish with my fishing license. Not going to pay for it again at the store.
Post by: fish vacuum on May 27, 2016, 04:08:21 PM
Who has a commercial fishery in puget sound? State or tribes? Or both?Normally, it's both. I don't know what their seasons will be this year with the low projections.
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Post by: BigGoonTuna on May 27, 2016, 04:40:36 PM
in years of low returns, rivers need to make escapement before fisheries in the salt(mixed stock) are conducted. that way we can allow more opportunity in rivers with good numbers and less in areas with less. however, the boat manufacturers and charter industry have a lot of say in the process and WDFW will not sacrifice the ocean fisheries for the sake of the good of the fish.
Post by: The100Road on May 27, 2016, 05:48:14 PM
we really need to eliminate the commercial fishing mandate in this state. the tribes can more than fill the need that the cowboys currently take from the recreational anglers.agreed.
in years of low returns, rivers need to make escapement before fisheries in the salt(mixed stock) are conducted. that way we can allow more opportunity in rivers with good numbers and less in areas with less. however, the boat manufacturers and charter industry have a lot of say in the process and WDFW will not sacrifice the ocean fisheries for the sake of the good of the fish.
Post by: SteelheadTed on June 01, 2016, 05:59:03 PM
Puyallup fish are caught in recreational and commercial fisheries in the salt. Those caught in the salt still count as Puyallup river fish.
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Do the tribes not catch any Puyallup river fish in the salt sense they are fishing the river?
The Puyallup tribe only fishes in river. That is the case with many but not all tribes. Part of the reason the seasons this year are what they are is that some tribes can only catch in river fish, so, in order to allow them the 50% they get per the Boldt decision, some rivers are closed to rec guys since they had their shot at the fish in the salt and the tribe didn't (it isn't quite this simple everywhere but on the Puyallup it is nearly that simple). What this fails to account for though is not all rec guys can fish in the salt, that is a considerably more expensive proposition. So, this further disadvantages the fisherman with little disposable income. With the likes of the Green, Puyallup, Nisqually and Skokomish rivers shut down in September and October and the Puyallup all season, there is hundreds, if not thousands of fisherman that will have to make alternate plans or just not fish.
This is what happens when there aren't enough fish for everyone and it sucks. My biggest fear is that we won't get some of these fisheries back next year...
Post by: trophyhunt on June 01, 2016, 07:00:41 PM
Post by: Alchase on June 02, 2016, 06:29:40 PM
The tribes fish all over Puget Sound.
Post by: SteelheadTed on June 02, 2016, 06:38:37 PM
So who is it that sets gill nets every year in the middle of the ferry routes in Eliot Bay?
The tribes fish all over Puget Sound.
Could be Muckleshoots or commercial boats, depends on where they were, there is a portion only the tribe can fish.
Post by: The100Road on June 02, 2016, 07:40:27 PM
This whole mess is a crap sandwich, and only the non natives have to take a bite! The natives are loving this you can guarantee that.:yeah:
Post by: The100Road on June 02, 2016, 07:42:02 PM
i did not know that first part. Thanks for the clarification. I am also worried we won't get it back.Puyallup fish are caught in recreational and commercial fisheries in the salt. Those caught in the salt still count as Puyallup river fish.
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Do the tribes not catch any Puyallup river fish in the salt sense they are fishing the river?
The Puyallup tribe only fishes in river. That is the case with many but not all tribes. Part of the reason the seasons this year are what they are is that some tribes can only catch in river fish, so, in order to allow them the 50% they get per the Boldt decision, some rivers are closed to rec guys since they had their shot at the fish in the salt and the tribe didn't (it isn't quite this simple everywhere but on the Puyallup it is nearly that simple). What this fails to account for though is not all rec guys can fish in the salt, that is a considerably more expensive proposition. So, this further disadvantages the fisherman with little disposable income. With the likes of the Green, Puyallup, Nisqually and Skokomish rivers shut down in September and October and the Puyallup all season, there is hundreds, if not thousands of fisherman that will have to make alternate plans or just not fish.
This is what happens when there aren't enough fish for everyone and it sucks. My biggest fear is that we won't get some of these fisheries back next year...