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Title: Just failed Emmissions
Post by: CP on June 07, 2016, 12:13:33 PM: P0401 - Exhaust Gas Recirculation Flow Insufficient

Looks like I get to spend some quality time under the hood.
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Post by: Woodchuck on June 07, 2016, 12:13:58 PM: Ford? or Honda v-6?
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Post by: CP on June 07, 2016, 12:21:12 PM: Ford 4.6 - Looks like I'm heading here:
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Post by: Woodchuck on June 07, 2016, 12:22:14 PM: DPFE well over 90% of the time. Easy swap.
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Post by: CP on June 07, 2016, 12:23:28 PM: Thanks, I'll check that first.
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Post by: Woodchuck on June 07, 2016, 12:27:17 PM: In all seriousness, just grab one and toss it on, they are relatively cheap and easy. Be sure to clear the code when done.
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Post by: Caretaker on June 07, 2016, 12:28:58 PM: Or do a $150 best effort fix at any certified emissions repair shop, they give you a certificate then you pass emissions whether its fixed or not.
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Post by: whacker1 on June 07, 2016, 02:01:53 PM: My 4.6 was EGR valve and valve body needed cleaning when I threw that code a few years ago.

follow woodchuck's advice first and then see where you need to go. I picked up fuel economy when I got that valve body cleaned and fully functioning EGR valve operational
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Post by: Buckmark on June 07, 2016, 02:32:39 PM: When do your tabs expire?

And woodchuck is right on with DPFE over the EGR valve 90% of the time.....
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Post by: CP on June 07, 2016, 02:40:21 PM: Quote from: Buckmark on June 07, 2016, 02:32:39 PM
When do your tabs expire?

And woodchuck is right on with DPFE over the EGR valve 90% of the time.....

I'm good through June. Sounds like I should just pick up a DPFE on the way home.
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Post by: jackelope on June 07, 2016, 03:11:32 PM: Quote from: Woodchuck on June 07, 2016, 12:22:14 PM
DPFE well over 90% of the time. Easy swap.
:yeah:
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Post by: CP on June 07, 2016, 03:51:14 PM: Well that was easy. One of the hoses on the DPFE was loose. Cleaned them up, put them back, cleared the code and all is well. All except for the P1000 code, now I have to drive that away and then get it re-inspected.
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Post by: Woodchuck on June 07, 2016, 03:53:54 PM: P1000 Is the readiness code. I think you are ok. :chuckle:
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Post by: CP on June 07, 2016, 03:55:14 PM: Yep, readiness code, but they won't inspect it until that clears. Been there done that before.
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Post by: Buckmark on June 07, 2016, 04:12:02 PM: And unless you have the ability to run an egr system test or monitor the DPFE while driving you wont know till your ECM runs it's test if "all is good" ;)
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Post by: DOUBLELUNG on June 07, 2016, 04:15:32 PM: When I fail emissions my wife makes me sleep on the couch.
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Post by: dscubame on June 07, 2016, 04:23:23 PM: Another reason to buy a Tesla?
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Post by: seth30 on June 07, 2016, 11:12:17 PM: Quote from: DOUBLELUNG on June 07, 2016, 04:15:32 PM
When I fail emissions my wife makes me sleep on the couch.
:chuckle:
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Post by: coachcw on June 08, 2016, 06:37:55 AM: typically when one dpfe hose is off the exhaust flows through the sensor and kills it . aswell I'd puta piece of vacuum tube on the egr valve and suck on it while idling . the engine should stumble hard if not you have a carbon build up or bad valve.
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Post by: Woodchuck on June 17, 2016, 02:39:35 PM: Any word on how this turned out?
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Post by: Buzz2401 on June 17, 2016, 10:41:51 PM: Get a scanner clear code right before you go in. It will pass. Then go try and figure out how to pass.
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Post by: jackelope on June 18, 2016, 06:22:14 AM: Quote from: Buzz2401 on June 17, 2016, 10:41:51 PM
Get a scanner clear code right before you go in. It will pass. Then go try and figure out how to pass.

You can try that, but without the PCM being ready for testing(it won't have enough drive cycles on it), it won't pass.
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Post by: Caretaker on June 18, 2016, 07:10:14 PM: $150 bucks and a certification at any authorized emissions specialist will save a lot of heartache and buy you some time :-)
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Post by: CP on June 20, 2016, 06:37:06 AM: Quote from: Woodchuck on June 17, 2016, 02:39:35 PM
Any word on how this turned out?

Ongoing saga – the fault code came back, took its sweet time about it too. I guess I’ll find someone to give $150 to and appease the state.
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Post by: Woodchuck on June 20, 2016, 07:06:38 AM: Did you put a DPFE in it?
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Post by: CP on June 20, 2016, 07:40:35 AM: Quote from: Woodchuck on June 20, 2016, 07:06:38 AM
Did you put a DPFE in it?

Yes, didn't help.
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Post by: Woodchuck on June 20, 2016, 07:58:59 AM: Wow, I am surprised. Welcome to the 10% I guess. Sorry dude. :(
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Post by: Todd_ID on June 20, 2016, 08:04:15 AM: Quote from: CP on June 20, 2016, 07:40:35 AM
Quote from: Woodchuck on June 20, 2016, 07:06:38 AM
Did you put a DPFE in it?

Yes, didn't help.
Time to sleep on the couch. :chuckle:
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Post by: follow maggie on June 21, 2016, 05:35:36 PM: I had an F150 with the 4.6 and got that code. What made it go away was taking the throttl body off. In th very back, in line with wh the hose drom the exhaust manifold connects, there are two holes that allow th exhaust gases to flow into the intake. On mine, these two holes were very restricted. It took anout 2 hours and almost an entire can of carb cleaner to clean the carbon out, but when I put it back together, the code cleared itself and didn't come back.
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Post by: whacker1 on June 22, 2016, 07:55:29 AM: Quote from: follow maggie on June 21, 2016, 05:35:36 PM
I had an F150 with the 4.6 and got that code. What made it go away was taking the throttl body off. In th very back, in line with wh the hose drom the exhaust manifold connects, there are two holes that allow th exhaust gases to flow into the intake. On mine, these two holes were very restricted. It took anout 2 hours and almost an entire can of carb cleaner to clean the carbon out, but when I put it back together, the code cleared itself and didn't come back.

This sounds like the EGR valve body, which is the same issue I had. Changed EGR valve, but the valve body was still plugged.
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Post by: jackelope on June 23, 2016, 09:14:40 AM: Quote from: CP on June 20, 2016, 07:40:35 AM
Quote from: Woodchuck on June 20, 2016, 07:06:38 AM
Did you put a DPFE in it?

Yes, didn't help.

Did you replace the actual DPFE sensor?
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Post by: CP on June 23, 2016, 09:31:38 AM: Yes, I replace this, no help. I checked the EGR valve by pulling a vacuum with the truck idling. The engine stammered a bit but not much – makes me think that I have blockage restricting the flow.

I considered spraying sea foam into the exhaust side DPFE hose while pulling the vacuum on the EGR valve. I figured it would be sucked through the orifice and ERG valve and clean out any carbon that might be restricting things. But then I decided to take the easy way out – it goes in to the shop tomorrow.
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Post by: Buckmark on June 23, 2016, 09:55:52 AM: If there was very little change to the idle when you opened the valve at idle, then yep you have a restriction..