Post by: PA BEN on June 10, 2016, 07:33:00 PM
Post by: bobcat on June 10, 2016, 07:37:15 PM
(270 - 130 grain, 7mm Mag - 140 grain, 30/06 - 150 grain, 300 Mag - 168, etc.)
Post by: Jason on June 10, 2016, 07:40:34 PM
Post by: PA BEN on June 10, 2016, 07:41:26 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on June 10, 2016, 07:43:56 PM
Post by: bobcat on June 10, 2016, 07:44:50 PM
Post by: Duckslayer89 on June 10, 2016, 07:45:30 PM
Post by: Antlershed on June 10, 2016, 08:00:58 PM
TEZ Barnes 290!!:yeah:
Post by: bobcat on June 10, 2016, 08:04:32 PM
http://www.knightrifles.com/product/bloodline-50-cal-300-grain-muzzleloader-bullets/
Post by: Taco280AI on June 10, 2016, 08:06:42 PM
Post by: Dan-o on June 10, 2016, 08:37:50 PM
Hard cast, flat nose.
I love them.
Elk hate them.
Post by: Rooster1981 on June 10, 2016, 08:49:38 PM
Post by: wheels on June 10, 2016, 08:57:38 PM
Post by: WoolyRunner on June 10, 2016, 09:05:37 PM
Post by: cooltimber on June 10, 2016, 09:16:44 PM
162 gr sst 7mm
Post by: Sabotloader on June 11, 2016, 08:10:47 AM
So what bullet do you guys use for elk?
Lehigh Defense - .458x305 gr. built for the 45-70 Government Rifle
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2F458-305.jpg&hash=ed23af00ee24ea555cd266b7bac7ff6ebbfd8e22) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/sabotloader/media/458-305.jpg.html)
Post by: Jason on June 11, 2016, 08:20:38 AM
Well that's great I didn't think I needed to say muzzleloader bullets in the muzzleloader forum.LOL..Well in that case I have had great luck with the Barnes 290gr TEZ.
Post by: splitshot on June 11, 2016, 09:21:42 AM
Post by: Duckslayer89 on June 11, 2016, 09:24:51 AM
does it really make much difference what bullet you shoot? why would anyone make a crappy bullet? mike w
:yike: how dare you
Post by: fastdam on June 11, 2016, 09:59:02 AM
Post by: Duckslayer89 on June 11, 2016, 10:07:41 AM
Post by: splitshot on June 11, 2016, 10:34:32 AM
Post by: Duckslayer89 on June 11, 2016, 10:38:34 AM
duck, I am confused with your question. did not mean to say anything bad cuz I was wondering if there is a diff. mike w
Haha I was JK because a lot of people are pretty passionate on choice of bullets and stuff and you asked if it made a difference. I think it makes a difference myself but I wouldn't have as much experience as someone like sabot loader with muzzy bullets!
Post by: splitshot on June 11, 2016, 10:48:48 AM
Post by: PA BEN on June 11, 2016, 02:36:56 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 11, 2016, 03:11:42 PM
Post by: PA BEN on June 11, 2016, 03:21:47 PM
Post by: usmc74 on June 11, 2016, 04:08:14 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 11, 2016, 04:23:30 PM
Post by: bobcat on June 11, 2016, 05:16:43 PM
Post by: PA BEN on June 11, 2016, 06:09:03 PM
I shoot the Barnes 290 TMZ. My elk just rolled over, dead, when I shot it. These are a little tight in some riflesI hope my watershed bull this year does that and not run and roll to the bottom. :bash:
Post by: ing on June 11, 2016, 06:21:49 PM
Post by: zike on June 11, 2016, 09:50:31 PM
30 Maxi hunter 350gr
40 No excuses 495gr
50 " " 460 gr
45 cal 24 no excuses 385gr
" " 200 speer 300gr HP
45 cal 170 gr Minnie hollow base
and 3 bags of sabots I don't know if there full.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on June 11, 2016, 10:09:35 PM
300 grain Hornady XTPwe have been shooting the Speer Deep curl in a MMP sabot since 2011 in our group with amazing reaults. Somewhere between 30-35 animas taken with them in that time. They are getting hard to come by so last year we played with the xtp- mag in the same MMP sabot and they shoot identical, and performance on game was just as devistating. Have only recovered a few of the deepcurl bullets but the few that we have have all been 90%+ weight retention and mushroomed perfectly
Post by: Jeeper on June 12, 2016, 07:13:50 AM
Post by: YukonHunter on June 12, 2016, 06:42:19 PM
Post by: Rem14 on June 14, 2016, 08:15:49 AM
Very accurate and easy to load shot after shot.
Post by: whacker1 on June 14, 2016, 08:44:21 AM
T/C Maxiballs, .54 430 gr
I can't find that T/C makes the .54 caliber anymore. do you know where I can find them?
Post by: Magnum_Willys on June 14, 2016, 08:52:47 AM
Anybody shooting these out of the Vortex NW magnum 30"?Got the TEZ for easier loading - but could not get them down the barrel of my Vortex. Literally beat on it to seat it so I could clear the barrel. :dunno: :dunno: This was with a clean barrel.
Had to switch to Powerbelt platinums which went in fine.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on June 14, 2016, 09:26:21 AM
I didn't know that. Definitely sucks, those shot so well for me. I got mine years ago. Not sure what to do when the supply runs dry. I see they have moulds online to cast your own.T/C Maxiballs, .54 430 gr
I can't find that T/C makes the .54 caliber anymore. do you know where I can find them?
Post by: whacker1 on June 14, 2016, 09:27:40 AM
I didn't know that. Definitely sucks, those shot so well for me. I got mine years ago. Not sure what to do when the supply runs dry. I see they have moulds online to cast your own.T/C Maxiballs, .54 430 gr
I can't find that T/C makes the .54 caliber anymore. do you know where I can find them?
Yes, the options for the .54 in full length conical are definitely narrower than they used to be. a few options with Sabot, but still slim pickens
Post by: YukonHunter on June 14, 2016, 06:19:23 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 14, 2016, 06:24:32 PM
Post by: Rooster1981 on June 14, 2016, 07:27:08 PM
T/C Maxiballs, .54 430 gr
I can't find that T/C makes the .54 caliber anymore. do you know where I can find them?
Track of the wolf.com sells them. They are exact copies from the original maxi balls. I've killed deer and elk with them. https://www.trackofthewolf.com/List/Item.aspx/129/1
Post by: whacker1 on June 14, 2016, 07:55:07 PM
T/C Maxiballs, .54 430 gr
I can't find that T/C makes the .54 caliber anymore. do you know where I can find them?
Track of the wolf.com sells them. They are exact copies from the original maxi balls. I've killed deer and elk with them. https://www.trackofthewolf.com/List/Item.aspx/129/1
Thank you, i couldn't find that on my own. somehow i was missing that particular page.
Post by: Rooster1981 on June 14, 2016, 08:05:10 PM
Post by: Goex2Fwithroundball on June 16, 2016, 05:44:25 PM
Post by: dscubame on June 16, 2016, 06:50:42 PM
Post by: PA BEN on June 25, 2016, 07:29:56 PM
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Post by: HntnFsh on June 25, 2016, 07:50:36 PM
Post by: PA BEN on June 25, 2016, 08:12:48 PM
Post by: Eric M on June 25, 2016, 09:43:22 PM
Post by: PA BEN on June 26, 2016, 07:40:36 AM
Post by: PA BEN on June 26, 2016, 07:52:20 AM
Post by: Sabotloader on June 26, 2016, 08:18:58 PM
What it really works out to is that 99% of the time you sight in right near 3" high at a hundred yards. and from there you do not need to do much guess work out to 150/75 yards.
This a ballistic chart for the bullet I use for elk during rifle season... a Lehigh .458x305 gr. CF. I use the ML for both rifle and ML season now days...
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2FBallistic%2520Sheets%2F458-305Ballistics_zps95b3448d.jpg&hash=7196429ed499f47ac2d95da8c199e26c44b6d829) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/sabotloader/media/Ballistic%20Sheets/458-305Ballistics_zps95b3448d.jpg.html)
So if you look by being 2.84" high at a hundred - I am dead on at 150 and at 175 down 3"... At 200 I would be down about 7".
Post by: PA BEN on June 26, 2016, 09:23:33 PM
Post by: Sabotloader on June 26, 2016, 09:37:07 PM
In the military we did the 6 o clock w the m16. I shoot w a peep and it's more natural for me to center my front site where I want to hit, it has a round fiber optic on it. I just center it on the tape lines and that's where I want to hit.
But at 100 yards and longer your bead cancover up several inches of the target. If you use the 6 O clock hold what you see on the top of the bead will what you hit. I got the 6 O clock hold from the military also.
With a scope I do use the direct hold.
Post by: PA BEN on June 27, 2016, 07:49:02 AM
Post by: PA BEN on July 04, 2016, 05:28:10 PM
Here is some data on the Barns TMZ 290 grs. sited in at 100yds drop at 200 yds. Barnes Bullets 290-gr. .451" diameter
"TMZ" - 11.5" drop http://www.muzzleloadingbullets.com/Muzzleloader-Bullet-Drop-Comparison-s/1892.htm
Post by: ing on July 07, 2016, 03:34:31 AM
I haven't tried the mags yet, I'm still using the plain jane xtp's because I always have a few hundred laying around for reloading.300 grain Hornady XTPwe have been shooting the Speer Deep curl in a MMP sabot since 2011 in our group with amazing reaults. Somewhere between 30-35 animas taken with them in that time. They are getting hard to come by so last year we played with the xtp- mag in the same MMP sabot and they shoot identical, and performance on game was just as devistating. Have only recovered a few of the deepcurl bullets but the few that we have have all been 90%+ weight retention and mushroomed perfectly
Post by: birddogdad on July 07, 2016, 07:14:27 AM
375 H&H 300gr boat tails in open and 300gr FMJ in brush.
Post by: bearmanric on July 08, 2016, 06:36:30 PM
Post by: sled on July 08, 2016, 08:13:22 PM
Post by: Sabotloader on July 08, 2016, 08:19:24 PM
Post by: sled on July 08, 2016, 08:34:55 PM
Post by: sled on July 09, 2016, 03:08:56 PM
After messaging sabot loader, I decided to give these a try. I'll be sending some down range in the morning.. So this is the group I shot today after adjusting from a 250 to a 300gr bullet. I shot 100gr of triple 7 333f. This is at 50 yards. The next trip I'll jump out to 100 and adjust for a zero there. The only thing that worries me is that they are not clean holes. To me it looks like the bullet might have some wobble?
Post by: Sabotloader on July 09, 2016, 03:48:08 PM
The 305 is a long bullet even for a 1/28 twist so if the bullet slips in the sabot or the sabot slips up the bore you may not be getting the rotation you need.
With the HPH-24 I get the grip I need to insure no slippage.
Do you have any HPH-24 sabots?
Post by: dscubame on July 09, 2016, 05:04:06 PM
Post by: sled on July 09, 2016, 05:53:41 PM
Which sabot were you shooting? Those bullets are true 458 rifle bullets and have a tighter diameter than ML bullets. In two of my Knights I use HPH-24 Black sabots instead of the Orange 458 sabots.
The 305 is a long bullet even for a 1/28 twist so if the bullet slips in the sabot or the sabot slips up the bore you may not be getting the rotation you need.
With the HPH-24 I get the grip I need to insure no slippage.
Do you have any HPH-24 sabots? I do, and I will try them next. Thanks.
Post by: ML_Hunter on July 13, 2016, 02:05:07 PM
TEZ Barnes 290!!:yeah:
This is what I use, has worked great for me so far. Ive taken 3 elk, all ran less than 40 yards.
Note...Get the TEZ. The TMZ's are very tight and difficult to load, close to nearly impossible!
Post by: cumminsbassguy on August 09, 2016, 04:06:20 PM
Post by: Sabotloader on August 09, 2016, 04:30:08 PM
are the speer bullets .45 jacketed hot core 350g. too much? I know there's no such thing as too much. But would a 290 be better ?
With open sights and the range you are probably going to shoot the 350 should be a real knock-over bullet.
Post by: cumminsbassguy on August 10, 2016, 07:29:37 AM
are the speer bullets .45 jacketed hot core 350g. too much? I know there's no such thing as too much. But would a 290 be better ?
With open sights and the range you are probably going to shoot the 350 should be a real knock-over bullet.
ill probably pick some of them up after I pick up my bore cleaning kit. she needs some tlc. I wouldn't shoot past 100. still a nublet with all this open sight business
Post by: 1961Wahunter on August 14, 2016, 09:25:29 PM
Dead Centers or QT's by PR Bullet. I like the 300's and 340's.