Post by: brutus1 on June 10, 2016, 07:52:50 PM
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Post by: Bob33 on June 10, 2016, 08:31:32 PM
Post by: grousetracker on June 10, 2016, 08:43:55 PM
Post by: jrebel on June 10, 2016, 09:47:21 PM
I have 22 moose, 22 sheep, 22 goat, 22 deer, and 22 elk and have been drawn once for quality elk and blew out my knee and back and couldnt hunt, i figure on giving up on the goat and sheep soon due to physical problems, good luck all!
Never give up......there are units you can shoot both animals with very limited physical effort. May not be the biggest , but it would still be a trophy.
Post by: splitshot on June 11, 2016, 06:29:10 AM
Post by: hucklebeary on June 11, 2016, 06:41:32 AM
Post by: Timberstalker on June 11, 2016, 07:12:34 AM
I hate to be "that guy" but this year I drew quality bull in the Dayton unit with 1.....yes 1 point. Not fair I know but it feels pretty good being "that guy" this year.
Holy Christ. What weapon?
Post by: 180-GRAIN on June 11, 2016, 07:49:14 AM
I hate to be "that guy" but this year I drew quality bull in the Dayton unit with 1.....yes 1 point. Not fair I know but it feels pretty good being "that guy" this year.
You and my brother in law need to hook up! He drew wenaha east quality muzzy elk with 2 points!
Post by: sagemd on June 11, 2016, 07:55:05 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on June 11, 2016, 08:03:34 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on June 11, 2016, 08:07:32 AM
I have to admit it irritates the crap out of me when I see guys draw high quality tags with very low points, that's just the selfish side of me. Ive erased this response 3 times already so I don't look like a total D bag. 21 years of waiting just wears on you, soon to be 22 long years. I wish they had the quality tags only available to guys with 8 or more points. I will be happy for you guys but not till after my time of utter disappointment passes. :chuckle: 21 elk, 12 deer and 18 in all the OIL tags---zero draw.
Don't hate the players, hate the game :chuckle:
Even with such a silly system, it is natural to feel entitled and I hear you.
Someday you'll draw...or you won't :chuckle:
:sry:
Post by: Mr Mykiss on June 11, 2016, 08:09:35 AM
I hate to be "that guy" but this year I drew quality bull in the Dayton unit with 1.....yes 1 point. Not fair I know but it feels pretty good being "that guy" this year.Dangerous post right there bud
Post by: trophyhunt on June 11, 2016, 08:20:57 AM
first smile I've had in 2 days, :chuckle: I hate the game trust me! Just need a couple days to like the players!! :chuckle:I have to admit it irritates the crap out of me when I see guys draw high quality tags with very low points, that's just the selfish side of me. Ive erased this response 3 times already so I don't look like a total D bag. 21 years of waiting just wears on you, soon to be 22 long years. I wish they had the quality tags only available to guys with 8 or more points. I will be happy for you guys but not till after my time of utter disappointment passes. :chuckle: 21 elk, 12 deer and 18 in all the OIL tags---zero draw.
Don't hate the players, hate the game :chuckle:
Even with such a silly system, it is natural to feel entitled and I hear you.
Someday you'll draw...or you won't :chuckle:
:sry:
Post by: PolarBear on June 11, 2016, 08:27:46 AM
Post by: UncleBuck on June 11, 2016, 09:25:42 AM
Post by: Brushbuster on June 11, 2016, 09:45:32 AM
I think we have just too many people applying for too few tags. With our system, everyone thinks they can beat the odds & draw their tag. Few do and WDFG gets tons of $.
Almost all states I apply there is point creep & it is harder & harder to draw no matter what point or nonpoint system they have.
Better luck next year.
Post by: fishngamereaper on June 11, 2016, 09:49:02 AM
Post by: zwickeyman on June 11, 2016, 09:49:43 AM
19 sheep
19 moose
I thought this would be my year like a lot of you guys with lots of points
What is the limit "max points?"
Post by: RC3 on June 11, 2016, 09:53:50 AM
Post by: NRA4LIFE on June 11, 2016, 10:00:29 AM
Post by: PolarBear on June 11, 2016, 10:23:06 AM
Post by: wa.hunter on June 11, 2016, 10:27:50 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on June 11, 2016, 10:38:31 AM
Post by: X-Force on June 11, 2016, 11:19:22 AM
Look at the chart above - even with 20 points your odds are 1 outa 200. Sorry, probably never going to draw unless you are really lucky. >:(
That's the truth... We put in with lots of hope but the likelihood is you will never draw any oil.
Post by: JoeE on June 11, 2016, 12:04:36 PM
Post by: JoeE on June 11, 2016, 12:05:46 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on June 11, 2016, 01:03:12 PM
How is it that anyone (other than have turned in a poacher) have more than 20 points? Didn't the current draw system start in 1997? That would put the max at 20 this year, right?
Including the point from this year, max is 21.
It is possible to have more than max in the oil permit type tags, I have 22 in antlerless moose, was awarded 2 points by WDFW last year for a merit reason.
Poacher bonus points are not added to OIL permit categories, only deer or elk.
Post by: popeshawnpaul on June 11, 2016, 01:24:17 PM
I'm 20 for goat and sheep. Really high for moose and quality elk. It comes up every year but I wish they would charge up front for the tag. Might reduce the application numbers a little. Had I known it was going to be this long without even drawing I would of saved a few hundred bucks a year and just paid for a hunt.
The AG's office says it's illegal. Won't happen.
Post by: MarkTrail on June 11, 2016, 01:57:32 PM
Post by: cem3434 on June 11, 2016, 02:10:49 PM
I'm 20 for goat and sheep. Really high for moose and quality elk. It comes up every year but I wish they would charge up front for the tag. Might reduce the application numbers a little. Had I known it was going to be this long without even drawing I would of saved a few hundred bucks a year and just paid for a hunt.
The AG's office says it's illegal. Won't happen.
How do other states like Idaho charge up front for tags then?
Post by: bobcat on June 11, 2016, 04:35:06 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 11, 2016, 04:36:36 PM
other states have different lawsI'm 20 for goat and sheep. Really high for moose and quality elk. It comes up every year but I wish they would charge up front for the tag. Might reduce the application numbers a little. Had I known it was going to be this long without even drawing I would of saved a few hundred bucks a year and just paid for a hunt.
The AG's office says it's illegal. Won't happen.
How do other states like Idaho charge up front for tags then?
Post by: fishngamereaper on June 11, 2016, 04:45:11 PM
I'm 20 for goat and sheep. Really high for moose and quality elk. It comes up every year but I wish they would charge up front for the tag. Might reduce the application numbers a little. Had I known it was going to be this long without even drawing I would of saved a few hundred bucks a year and just paid for a hunt.
The AG's office says it's illegal. Won't happen.
I know Pope.. Guy can wish though. I do like some of your ideas you've presented in previous posts though.
Post by: popeshawnpaul on June 11, 2016, 05:08:30 PM
I'm 20 for goat and sheep. Really high for moose and quality elk. It comes up every year but I wish they would charge up front for the tag. Might reduce the application numbers a little. Had I known it was going to be this long without even drawing I would of saved a few hundred bucks a year and just paid for a hunt.
The AG's office says it's illegal. Won't happen.
How do other states like Idaho charge up front for tags then?
I asked for the opinion on it from the AG's office but never got it or the justification as to why. That's the answer they are giving us though. Different states have different rules I suppose.
Post by: PAW66 on June 11, 2016, 05:36:43 PM
20 - Moose 65 and over
20 - Moose Disabled
21 - Sheep Any Ram
21 - Sheep Ewe
21 - Goat
Drew my Any Moose with 16 points
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on June 11, 2016, 06:22:08 PM
I hate to be "that guy" but this year I drew quality bull in the Dayton unit with 1.....yes 1 point. Not fair I know but it feels pretty good being "that guy" this year.
With any luck you'll miss everything like you did in Montana.
Post by: Lucky3 on June 11, 2016, 06:29:53 PM
Post by: Widgeondeke on June 11, 2016, 06:47:44 PM
I'm up to 23 points for quality bullWowzers! Welcome to the site.
Better luck next time
Post by: h20hunter on June 11, 2016, 06:49:59 PM
Welcome.
Post by: starbailey on June 11, 2016, 08:45:04 PM
Congrats Huck. Some one has to draw them and even low bp#s have a chance. That's what lots of people like about the WA system.
Post by: sagemd on June 11, 2016, 09:27:25 PM
unsuccessful.
Next year.
Post by: stew pidasso on June 11, 2016, 09:37:01 PM
21 points for sheep moose and goat 19 points for elk.
unsuccessful.
Next year.
Great attitude
Post by: Ridgeratt on June 14, 2016, 08:54:00 PM
I pay my money and take my chances. I am not " Entitled" to the tag any more than the next person regardless if they have 20 points or put in for the first time. If their number comes up good on them.
I was awarded a carrot again this year with points which will have me back next year, But if by some accident and I do draw a coveted tag I will just put it in my shoe and go try to fill it with out much fanfare.
Post by: bobcat on June 14, 2016, 09:08:45 PM
Post by: Ridgeratt on June 14, 2016, 09:13:56 PM
I have 20 points in the Any Moose category. I've been drawn for everything else except mountain goat, since I've never applied for that. Should've had 21 moose points but somehow I missed a point one year. The first time I applied for it was, I believe, around 1993 or 1994, before the point system started.
I believe last year you thought you had a lock on a Moose tag. But like the rest of the folks it didn't pan out. This year you got a carrot .
Post by: bobcat on June 14, 2016, 09:15:59 PM
I have 20 points in the Any Moose category. I've been drawn for everything else except mountain goat, since I've never applied for that. Should've had 21 moose points but somehow I missed a point one year. The first time I applied for it was, I believe, around 1993 or 1994, before the point system started.
I believe last year you thought you had a lock on a Moose tag. But like the rest of the folks it didn't pan out. This year you got a carrot .
:chuckle: You remember how I was so very optimistic last year? Yeah, well not so much this year. I'm counting on NEVER drawing that moose tag. I figure I used up my luck on the sheep tag. So instead of feeling sorry for myself, my plan is to hunt Wyoming every year for the rest of my life. Who needs Washington?
Post by: WSU on June 14, 2016, 09:18:02 PM
I have to admit it irritates the crap out of me when I see guys draw high quality tags with very low points, that's just the selfish side of me. Ive erased this response 3 times already so I don't look like a total D bag. 21 years of waiting just wears on you, soon to be 22 long years. I wish they had the quality tags only available to guys with 8 or more points. I will be happy for you guys but not till after my time of utter disappointment passes. :chuckle: 21 elk, 12 deer and 18 in all the OIL tags---zero draw.
I'm glad people with few points draw. I worry my kids have such poor odds of drawing once they start putting in. The next generation gets screwed in this deal....
Post by: Falcon on June 14, 2016, 09:43:26 PM
I was pulling for you this year Trophyhunt! I thought for sure you were going to get one of those primo tags. Dang it!
:yeah:
Post by: 724wd on June 14, 2016, 10:01:34 PM
Very nice he deserves that....
Deserves? DESERVES?! WHY? It's a danged LOTTERY!!! No one owes you a darned thing! :o :yike:
Post by: Matth on June 20, 2016, 08:24:11 AM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on June 20, 2016, 09:05:21 AM
In 2015, 426 of the 15,930 applications for Any Ram Sheep permits had 20 points or more, which was 2.7% of the total. They drew 10% of the permits (2 of 20.)
It would take just over 21 years for all the people with 20 points or more to draw an any ram sheep permit IF ALL 20 PERMITS were drawn only by the people who had 20 points or more in 2015. (21 x 20 = 420) Then look at the how many people would have 20 plus points in 19 years. By my simple addition, that total is 15,504. At 20 permits per year, It would take 775 years for all those people to draw. Just the people with 1 point, 2262 of them, would take 113 years to all draw at 20 tags per year.
This shows what a Ponzi/Pyramid scheme the whole point system is. You get in at the beginning and you have a chance, but those who come later have less and less of a chance at EVER GETTING DRAWN IN THEIR LIFETIME. Because most people don't seem to understand basic math, the State can pass off these money grabbing schemes as a chance to greatly increase your odds of getting drawn for these once in a lifetime type hunts. (Actually, for the people with 1 point now, it's more like once in two lifetimes.)
THE ONLY WAY to increase everyone's chance at getting drawn is for there to be more tags available in the drawings. Otherwise, it's all smoke and mirrors as the State scoops up all the money from people who think they are increasing their odds by paying the state money every year, either to try to draw or just to get another point for some time in the future.
If you want something closer to a guaranteed sheep, or moose, or goat hunt, you will probably have to pay big bucks and head to Canada or Alaska. Otherwise, it's better to just concentrate on the OTC tags you can get and consider any drawing you might finally win a bonus hunt, just don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen.
Post by: Bob33 on June 20, 2016, 09:14:57 AM
All true. If the state did give permits to only the highest point holders, anyone with fewer than one less than the most would have zero chance of ever drawing in his lifetime. A new hunter with half a brain would never start. Application revenues would drop. The state would make it up by charging hunters more in other areas.In 2015, 426 of the 15,930 applications for Any Ram Sheep permits had 20 points or more, which was 2.7% of the total. They drew 10% of the permits (2 of 20.)
It would take just over 21 years for all the people with 20 points or more to draw an any ram sheep permit IF ALL 20 PERMITS were drawn only by the people who had 20 points or more in 2015. (21 x 20 = 420) Then look at the how many people would have 20 plus points in 19 years. By my simple addition, that total is 15,504. At 20 permits per year, It would take 775 years for all those people to draw. Just the people with 1 point, 2262 of them, would take 113 years to all draw at 20 tags per year.
This shows what a Ponzi/Pyramid scheme the whole point system is. You get in at the beginning and you have a chance, but those who come later have less and less of a chance at EVER GETTING DRAWN IN THEIR LIFETIME. Because most people don't seem to understand basic math, the State can pass off these money grabbing schemes as a chance to greatly increase your odds of getting drawn for these once in a lifetime type hunts. (Actually, for the people with 1 point now, it's more like once in two lifetimes.)
THE ONLY WAY to increase everyone's chance at getting drawn is for there to be more tags available in the drawings. Otherwise, it's all smoke and mirrors as the State scoops up all the money from people who think they are increasing their odds by paying the state money every year, either to try to draw or just to get another point for some time in the future.
If you want something closer to a guaranteed sheep, or moose, or goat hunt, you will probably have to pay big bucks and head to Canada or Alaska. Otherwise, it's better to just concentrate on the OTC tags you can get and consider any drawing you might finally win a bonus hunt, just don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen.
Post by: bearpaw on June 20, 2016, 09:21:39 AM
All true. If the state did give permits to only the highest point holders, anyone with fewer than one less than the most would have zero chance of ever drawing in his lifetime. A new hunter with half a brain would never start. Application revenues would drop. The state would make it up by charging hunters more in other areas.In 2015, 426 of the 15,930 applications for Any Ram Sheep permits had 20 points or more, which was 2.7% of the total. They drew 10% of the permits (2 of 20.)
It would take just over 21 years for all the people with 20 points or more to draw an any ram sheep permit IF ALL 20 PERMITS were drawn only by the people who had 20 points or more in 2015. (21 x 20 = 420) Then look at the how many people would have 20 plus points in 19 years. By my simple addition, that total is 15,504. At 20 permits per year, It would take 775 years for all those people to draw. Just the people with 1 point, 2262 of them, would take 113 years to all draw at 20 tags per year.
This shows what a Ponzi/Pyramid scheme the whole point system is. You get in at the beginning and you have a chance, but those who come later have less and less of a chance at EVER GETTING DRAWN IN THEIR LIFETIME. Because most people don't seem to understand basic math, the State can pass off these money grabbing schemes as a chance to greatly increase your odds of getting drawn for these once in a lifetime type hunts. (Actually, for the people with 1 point now, it's more like once in two lifetimes.)
THE ONLY WAY to increase everyone's chance at getting drawn is for there to be more tags available in the drawings. Otherwise, it's all smoke and mirrors as the State scoops up all the money from people who think they are increasing their odds by paying the state money every year, either to try to draw or just to get another point for some time in the future.
If you want something closer to a guaranteed sheep, or moose, or goat hunt, you will probably have to pay big bucks and head to Canada or Alaska. Otherwise, it's better to just concentrate on the OTC tags you can get and consider any drawing you might finally win a bonus hunt, just don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen.
:yeah: totally agree, additionally most who have paid into the system don't want to lose their points, so we are stuck with this system we have, good luck to all in future draws
Post by: NoBark on June 20, 2016, 09:58:19 AM
Post by: Miles on June 20, 2016, 04:43:37 PM