Post by: Amsdad on February 03, 2009, 10:09:06 PM
I am shooting a TC BlackDiamond 50, with original fiber sights. I shoot ok on the range, but in the woods I seem to have an issue. Missed a fine fat doe on the last day of the season at around 70-80 yards. Anyway, I would like to get some opinions on peep sights from those using them and specifically anyone using them on a Blackdiamond. I have read a bit on this site and I know that some of the sights require some work due to height issues. There also seems to be an issue with some regarding aperture size. All information would be appreciated so I can make a decison. Thanks in advance.
Post by: HoofsandWings on February 04, 2009, 06:52:12 AM
Post by: CP on February 04, 2009, 02:03:25 PM
The standard aperture seemed too big to me to be accurate so I installed a target aperture which is overall bigger but has a smaller hole. It helps with the trust issue but the hole is too small to be useful in a hunting situation.
Post by: fire*guy on February 04, 2009, 03:52:36 PM
A few years ago I changed the sights on my Knight to the factor recommended tru-glo sights. After shooting with them at the range,I found that I had a hard time getting a tight group. So off comes the new sights and back to the old ones. I get much better groups with a finer smaller sight.
Post by: TopOfTheFoodChain on February 05, 2009, 09:49:20 PM
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on February 05, 2009, 09:58:08 PM
Post by: 509er on February 05, 2009, 10:01:43 PM
Post by: colockumelk on February 06, 2009, 03:37:26 PM
Post by: gadwall on February 11, 2009, 02:48:23 PM
I have hunted deer with a muzzlloader since 2004 and some elk hunting with one before that. I really enjoy it. I recently bought a CVA Elkhorn Pro that I have the same problem with discussed here; the open sights suck and I am considering going to a peep as many of my friends like them. I have used williams peeps on high powered rifles in the past with good results. Where did you buy yours and what was the cost with installation??
Post by: yelp on February 11, 2009, 05:23:51 PM
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0018753214918a&type=product&cmCat=SEARCH_all&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&Ntk=Products&QueryText=williams&sort=all&_D%3AhasJS=+&N=0&Nty=1&hasJS=true&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.form23&_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1
Post by: logger on February 11, 2009, 11:05:19 PM
Post by: colockumelk on February 11, 2009, 11:06:19 PM
colockum elk,
I have hunted deer with a muzzlloader since 2004 and some elk hunting with one before that. I really enjoy it. I recently bought a CVA Elkhorn Pro that I have the same problem with discussed here; the open sights suck and I am considering going to a peep as many of my friends like them. I have used williams peeps on high powered rifles in the past with good results. Where did you buy yours and what was the cost with installation??
I shoot a Williams peep sight. Here is their website. Just scroll down until you come to the style of muzzle loader that you have. They will ship it to you and the sight costs about $37. It's super easy to install. I'll caution you though; do not expect instant results. I shot like crap the first 2 times I took it out. The 3 I shot Okay and then the fourth time I shot awsome and by the sixth time I took it out I was hitting a six inch metal plate at 150 yds every time. So it'll take some time to get good with it. I almost made the mistake of giving up on it. Glad I didn't though.
http://www.williamsgunsight.com/gunsights/wgrs.htm
I think this is the model number you need. I'd double check though.
Code # 70154
Model # WGRS-CVA Round.
Post by: logger on February 11, 2009, 11:09:22 PM
Post by: Amsdad on February 13, 2009, 01:19:59 PM
Are you shooting the Williams sights as well. I have looked at these and also at the ones offered at Cabelas. I noted that at Cabela's there is both a low profile peep and a hunting style peep that appears to ride quite a bit higher.
I was wondering if anyone had any experiece with either of these? I guess I need to get my butt down to Cabelas and check these out in person.
And everyone,
Thanks for all the information. It is appreciated.
Post by: PNWCOONASS on February 14, 2009, 01:20:29 PM
thanks Pete
Post by: colockumelk on February 14, 2009, 07:16:20 PM
Post by: CP on February 15, 2009, 12:20:50 PM
two questions, does anyone have a pic of a williams site mounted on their rifle? Do you have to modify the front sight as in lifting or lowering to balance with the new rear sight?
thanks Pete
I'm not much of a photographer but here you are. I had to remove the rear sight because it was in the way but I didn't have to change the front.
Post by: PA BEN on February 18, 2009, 06:19:21 AM
Post by: colockumelk on February 18, 2009, 09:46:30 PM
Post by: PNWCOONASS on February 20, 2009, 07:58:26 PM
which sight do you have on your gun? thanks pete
Post by: mazama on February 22, 2009, 08:35:41 PM
Post by: colockumelk on February 23, 2009, 06:32:57 PM
colock,
which sight do you have on your gun? thanks pete
http://www.williamsgunsight.com/gunsights/wgrs.htm (http://www.williamsgunsight.com/gunsights/wgrs.htm)
This is the exact sight that I have on my T/C Black Diamond XTR in .50 cal.
Just scroll down to the sight for what ever ML you have. I hope this helps. They are like $37. As for installation all you need is a flat head screw driver. Just remove the rear sight on your gun and then put your peep sight on your gun (obviously in the back) There will be two little holes with threads on top of your gun. That's where it goes. I kept my glow in the dark front sight and didn't do any mods or anything to my gun. It shoots great. Hope this helps.
Post by: Open-sights on February 23, 2009, 08:51:20 PM
Can those sights be adjusted and marked with relative ease for longer shots? I am hunting a place this fall where my shot will most likely be 100 to 135 yards. I don't want to shoot beyond that, but can I adjust the rear sight easily in the "heat of the moment" to get on the vitals of a deer on a longer shot? Is there a marking system or "click" system to reference different yardages? I plan to use a rangefinder to get exact yardage before I squeeze one off. Thanks a ton for the website you posted. Jeff
Post by: colockumelk on February 23, 2009, 09:25:38 PM
As far as long shots here's what I did. I sighted my gun in at 100yds. I then shot at 125 yds, 150 yds, 175yds, and then 200yds. I then made a mental note for how far my bullets dropped at certain distances. For example at 150 yds my bullets dropped 4 inches. This way all you have to do is when you range the deer at lets say 150 yds you know you have to hold 4 inches high. It worked pretty well for me since I shot my deer this year at 165yds.
Post by: CP on February 24, 2009, 07:32:11 AM
Can those sights be adjusted and marked with relative ease for longer shots?
You might want to look into a Creedmoore Sight, the predecessor to the BDC reticle.
Post by: ThePascoKid on February 24, 2009, 08:11:13 AM
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=261265 (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=261265)
Post by: HoofsandWings on February 24, 2009, 04:24:15 PM
Now I have to call Williams and order the front sight. They should match (height, width, etc).
Post by: shag on March 01, 2009, 04:33:05 PM
Post by: lokidog on March 09, 2009, 05:38:29 PM
Post by: whacker1 on March 10, 2009, 09:49:43 AM
http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/?item=AccessoriDettaglio&CategoriaId=1310&lang=en
Post by: PNWCOONASS on March 19, 2009, 02:45:49 PM
Pete
Post by: whacker1 on March 20, 2009, 08:49:03 AM
Post by: muzzleman on March 22, 2009, 04:08:52 PM
Post by: Moose Eyes on March 23, 2009, 09:51:12 AM
Post by: robodad on March 23, 2009, 10:16:12 AM
Thanks !!!
Post by: muzzleman on March 24, 2009, 08:29:36 AM
Post by: sparksbr on March 25, 2009, 08:25:24 PM
-Brady
Post by: colockumelk on March 25, 2009, 10:42:19 PM
Post by: sparksbr on March 26, 2009, 11:56:44 AM
As it is now, my open sights cover the whole target at 150 yards! :(
Thanks, I'll definately be looking at a Williams for next year.
-Brady
Post by: muzzleman on March 26, 2009, 12:54:11 PM
Post by: sparksbr on March 26, 2009, 02:36:58 PM
-Brady
Post by: colockumelk on March 26, 2009, 04:00:23 PM
Wow! That's a good poke for a front-stuffer! Nicely done!
As it is now, my open sights cover the whole target at 150 yards! :(
Thanks, I'll definately be looking at a Williams for next year.
-Brady
That's why I got the peep sight. The original open sights are freaking huge and can't see anything. And yes with practise and a range finder 150 yard shots are just chip shots after awhile.
Post by: muzzleman on March 27, 2009, 01:30:19 PM
Post by: sparksbr on March 27, 2009, 06:02:49 PM
Thanks for the update!
Were you using the stock front sight?
Post by: muzzleman on March 27, 2009, 10:02:17 PM
Post by: 3dsheetmetal on March 28, 2009, 11:24:08 AM
Post by: colockumelk on March 31, 2009, 01:49:09 PM
Yes the front is still stock.
Yeah that's what I did also. Isn't is so much better. Makes you wonder why you ever shot the originals in the first place huh. :) I don't even know where my original rear sight is because I know I'll never shoot it again.
Post by: Blsum on March 31, 2009, 10:05:57 PM
Post by: muzzleman on April 01, 2009, 08:34:06 AM
Well I just ordered the William's peep for my Black diamond. Figured with all you guy's saying how much you liked them I couldn't go wrong. Plus if I don't like it I can allway's send it back to cabela's.you wont regret it.
Post by: jdb on April 03, 2009, 08:12:56 PM
Post by: WSU on April 06, 2009, 11:10:17 AM
Post by: Blsum on April 20, 2009, 08:55:48 PM
Post by: Dirty Mike on April 20, 2009, 09:40:30 PM
Post by: Blsum on April 21, 2009, 09:25:39 PM
yea you would have
At least I've seen one.
Post by: Dirty Mike on April 24, 2009, 02:32:01 PM
Post by: robodad on May 03, 2009, 08:31:56 AM
Post by: Blsum on May 03, 2009, 10:03:39 AM
Post by: robodad on May 03, 2009, 10:13:57 AM
I mounted mine as close to my eye's as possible. I took out the screws that where for the scope mount and they lined up perfectly. Then I took the screws that where in those holes and put them in where the old rear site was. I put mine on my Black Diamond. I'm going to get one for my Bighorn here pretty quick. You will absolutely love the peep site. I wish I'd of gotten one a long time ago. Let us know what you think.
OK I will let you know, Thanks for the information !!!
Post by: jdb on May 03, 2009, 02:00:27 PM
You will absolutely love the peep site. I wish I'd of gotten one a long time ago.:yeah:
Post by: sss5358 on May 15, 2009, 06:59:56 AM
Well, I've gotten to the point where my eyes seem to be having a bit of an issue with the sights I'm using. Its a simple focus problem and I have seen a few similar posts regarding this issue and getting around it with a peep sight.
I am shooting a TC BlackDiamond 50, with original fiber sights. I shoot ok on the range, but in the woods I seem to have an issue. Missed a fine fat doe on the last day of the season at around 70-80 yards. Anyway, I would like to get some opinions on peep sights from those using them and specifically anyone using them on a Blackdiamond. I have read a bit on this site and I know that some of the sights require some work due to height issues. There also seems to be an issue with some regarding aperture size. All information would be appreciated so I can make a decison. Thanks in advance.
I got to that point too. I switched when one of my buddies mentioned that his Dad had run into the same problem (eyes not what they used to be) and had gone to a peep site with good results. This is the 8th season I will be hunting with a peep site. I have had outstanding results. It was a little hard to get used to but from what I have learned you have to train your brain to use it. Once trained your eye's and hands tend to automatically center the post in the peep. I have made some of the most accurate shots with my peep. I would not go back. And if I had discovered it as a younger man I would have used it then too.
Post by: Moose Eyes on May 16, 2009, 10:33:27 PM
http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/sights/57-receiver-peep.php (http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/sights/57-receiver-peep.php)
Post by: robodad on May 18, 2009, 01:51:46 PM
Suggestions ??
Post by: whacker1 on May 18, 2009, 02:01:36 PM
Post by: CP on May 18, 2009, 04:28:34 PM
OK I installed my williams peep on my T/C BD and went to the range, shooting 90gr pyrodex and 350gr Maxi Hunters and had to elevate my peep ramp all the way to the top and still cannot hit closer then 6 inches low at 50 yds :bash:
Suggestions ??
You have to lower your front sight. Either change it or file it down.
Post by: robodad on May 18, 2009, 04:31:32 PM
Post by: Moose Eyes on May 18, 2009, 08:33:40 PM
Post by: Amsdad on May 19, 2009, 12:36:49 PM
I will post my results as well as start to look for a new front site. Thanks for the info.
Post by: robodad on May 19, 2009, 01:56:57 PM
Well, crap. That was the information I was looking for when I started this thread. I thought the Williams would work with the original front site as well from the postings so I bought one as well. I have it mounted but have not had time to take it out, was planning to this weekend.
I will post my results as well as start to look for a new front site. Thanks for the info.
I just received a message from Danielle at TC and she will sell me a lower front site for my BD for $9.45 and $3.95 S&H, let me know if you want the number !!!
Post by: robodad on May 20, 2009, 07:43:56 AM
Post by: Amsdad on May 20, 2009, 08:37:15 AM
Post by: jollyskwala on May 20, 2009, 02:55:42 PM
FP-LEGEND-TK For Modern Muzzleloading Knight Legend, Wolverine, Disc, Bighorn, American, and T-Bolt. Fits factory drilling and tapping. (With Target Knobs) $84.50
Since it's $85.00 I thought I would ask if anyone is familiar with this model and/or knows of another Williams sight that would fit my Knight LK-93?
Thanks
Post by: Blsum on May 20, 2009, 10:46:53 PM
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp?id=0018753214918a&navCount=1&podId=0018753&parentId=cat200004&masterpathid=&navAction=jump&cmCat=MainCatcat602007-cat200004&catalogCode=IK&rid=&parentType=index&indexId=cat200004&hasJS=true
Post by: CP on May 21, 2009, 06:36:14 AM
http://www.e-gunparts.com/DisplayAd.asp?chrProductSKU=881140&chrSuperSKU=&MC=
Post by: jollyskwala on May 21, 2009, 07:42:22 AM
I hear ya on the price and that is why I was asking........Thanks for the info!
Post by: Wacenturion on May 21, 2009, 10:56:45 AM
$34.00 on e-gunparts.
http://www.e-gunparts.com/DisplayAd.asp?chrProductSKU=881140&chrSuperSKU=&MC=
Thanks for the link....just ordered a couple of the silver Williams sights for my son and I. Just picked up a couple Knight Bighorns....camo, stainless. Perfect match. Thanks again.
Post by: robodad on May 24, 2009, 07:35:58 AM
I called T/C as you may have read because I had an adjustment problem with the Williams Peep on my BD because my front sight pin was toooooooo tall and Diane at T/C customer service (603)-330-5659 sent me a brand new shorter front sight at no charge. I received it today and installed it and will report how it shoots after I get to the range !!!
OK here is what I got, the new sight is on the left !!
(https://hunting-washington.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10689/IMG_1365.JPG)
(https://hunting-washington.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10689/IMG_1366.JPG)
(https://hunting-washington.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10689/IMG_1370.JPG)
This should give me much more adjustment freedom with the Williams Peep sight :IBCOOL:
Post by: jollyskwala on May 26, 2009, 01:25:18 PM
Post by: Dirty Mike on May 26, 2009, 03:59:03 PM