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Title: Raffle-ness
Post by: GrampasGuns on July 06, 2016, 01:12:51 PM
That thing when you are there to buy 3 raffle tickets and you watch a guy spend 5k in front of you.....man I need a new profession!!

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Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: jackelope on July 06, 2016, 01:14:22 PM
That thing when you are there to buy 3 raffle tickets and you watch a guy spend 5k in front of you.....man I need a new profession!!

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Was he flooding the goat raffle?
:chuckle:
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Bango skank on July 06, 2016, 01:14:26 PM
What did he spend 5k on?
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: GrampasGuns on July 06, 2016, 01:14:34 PM
Sheep

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Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Bango skank on July 06, 2016, 01:15:30 PM
Groovy.  I was worried you were gonna say moose
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: WAPatriot on July 06, 2016, 01:19:06 PM
That northeast big game is mine..
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: trophyhunt on July 06, 2016, 01:21:52 PM
Wow, 5 grand!  I plan on buying about 100.00 worth, man I suck! 
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Bango skank on July 06, 2016, 01:22:14 PM
That northeast big game is mine..

I bought a handful of those too.  You go all whale on that?
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: WAPatriot on July 06, 2016, 01:38:52 PM
I'll get 10 or 15 just enough to dream for a couple of weeks. With mega mill at 500 mil it's hard to know what dream fund to donate too lol.
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: splitshot on July 06, 2016, 01:52:47 PM
   luv them raffles.  mike w
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: huntnphool on July 06, 2016, 02:09:23 PM
 I'd still love to see a 5 ticket restriction on raffles.
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: WAPatriot on July 06, 2016, 02:12:11 PM
I'd still love to see a 5 ticket restriction on raffles.

I'd still like them to do away with draw and make it all raffle! Maybe compromise do away with draw and make it a 10 ticket limit per species.
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Dhoey07 on July 06, 2016, 02:15:01 PM
I'll get 10 or 15 just enough to dream for a couple of weeks. With mega mill at 500 mil it's hard to know what dream fund to donate too lol.

 :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: WAPatriot on July 06, 2016, 02:18:53 PM
If I won mega millions the world would be a better place. No doubt wolves in Washington would be on the endangered species list.
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Ridgerunner on July 06, 2016, 05:33:22 PM
Dang I'm hoping to win with just a few tickets.


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Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Maverick on July 06, 2016, 05:39:36 PM
I'd still love to see a 5 ticket restriction on raffles.

 :yeah: at this point I'd be happy if they restricted to 100 tickets a person
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: WildBear on July 06, 2016, 05:58:59 PM
That's crazy! Just getting a few myself.
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: teanawayslayer on July 06, 2016, 06:20:25 PM
I'd still love to see a 5 ticket restriction on raffles.
that would be sweet. But the state I think would frown upon that. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on July 06, 2016, 07:42:12 PM
It only takes ONE! :tup:
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Bango skank on July 06, 2016, 07:44:26 PM
I'd still love to see a 5 ticket restriction on raffles.

 :yeah: at this point I'd be happy if they restricted to 100 tickets a person

Mmm... nope.  I got more than that into moose  :)
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Ridgeratt on July 06, 2016, 08:06:54 PM
Why is it no one's all twisted up on these like the OIL tags when they are both lottery's?
Some one who ponies up a large chunk of change and then doesn't get drawn/ or has more chances in the bucket than someone else.
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: WAPatriot on July 06, 2016, 08:35:51 PM
I'd still love to see a 5 ticket restriction on raffles.

 :yeah: at this point I'd be happy if they restricted to 100 tickets a person

Mmm... nope.  I got more than that into moose  :)

Bango I hope you get moose.
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Bango skank on July 06, 2016, 08:40:40 PM
That makes two of us.  I bought 21 ne wa big game tickets too.  How crazy would it be to draw both?
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: WAPatriot on July 06, 2016, 08:43:01 PM
I'm sure you have a couple of moose on the hit list. What species are going with on the ne big game. Moose bear and not sure if I'd do elk or cougar.
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Bango skank on July 06, 2016, 08:47:35 PM
I'm sure you have a couple of moose on the hit list. What species are going with on the ne big game. Moose bear and not sure if I'd do elk or cougar.

If im lucky enough to draw that itll be moose whitetail and elk.  If i hit the powerball and draw both moose and ne wa tickets,  then ill do whitetail elk and bear on the ne wa.  Why would i take an extra cougar tag when ive failed every shot opp ive had on my general coug tags?  Gotta learn to walk before you run
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: jackelope on July 06, 2016, 08:58:57 PM
Why is it no one's all twisted up on these like the OIL tags when they are both lottery's?
Some one who ponies up a large chunk of change and then doesn't get drawn/ or has more chances in the bucket than someone else.

I am, but I've spouted off before to no avail. Apparently even if you only have 1 ticket, you still have a chance to win even though some other dude drops thousands of dollars on tickets for a single species, and that's good enough. So I'm all done spouting off. Limit the number of tickets. That's what I say.
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Timberstalker on July 06, 2016, 09:01:37 PM
Why is it no one's all twisted up on these like the OIL tags when they are both lottery's?
Some one who ponies up a large chunk of change and then doesn't get drawn/ or has more chances in the bucket than someone else.

I am, but I've spouted off before to no avail. Apparently even if you only have 1 ticket, you still have a chance to win even though some other dude drops thousands of dollars on tickets for a single species, and that's good enough. So I'm all done spouting off. Limit the number of tickets. That's what I say.

That would make too much sense. 
Also, the state would lose out majorly, or would they?
Could that spark more people to buy 2 or 3 tickets, knowing they'd have a honest chance?
Might be time for a formula....
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Bango skank on July 06, 2016, 09:04:46 PM
Dont limit the number of tickets.  Not yet at least.  Sometime in the next few years if i havent got a wa moose tag yet, im gonna step in and sing my whale song day 1.  After that i dont care.  I just want a chance to go big first.
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: jackelope on July 06, 2016, 09:06:39 PM
Why is it no one's all twisted up on these like the OIL tags when they are both lottery's?
Some one who ponies up a large chunk of change and then doesn't get drawn/ or has more chances in the bucket than someone else.

I am, but I've spouted off before to no avail. Apparently even if you only have 1 ticket, you still have a chance to win even though some other dude drops thousands of dollars on tickets for a single species, and that's good enough. So I'm all done spouting off. Limit the number of tickets. That's what I say.

That would make too much sense. 
Also, the state would lose out majorly, or would they?
Could that spark more people to buy 2 or 3 tickets, knowing they'd have a honest chance?
Might be time for a formula....

I don't buy raffle tickets at all for this reason. I'm sure I'm not the only one. If there was a limit, I would buy again. I'm again sure I'm not the only one.
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Bango skank on July 06, 2016, 09:14:17 PM
Why is it no one's all twisted up on these like the OIL tags when they are both lottery's?
Some one who ponies up a large chunk of change and then doesn't get drawn/ or has more chances in the bucket than someone else.

I am, but I've spouted off before to no avail. Apparently even if you only have 1 ticket, you still have a chance to win even though some other dude drops thousands of dollars on tickets for a single species, and that's good enough. So I'm all done spouting off. Limit the number of tickets. That's what I say.

That would make too much sense. 
Also, the state would lose out majorly, or would they?
Could that spark more people to buy 2 or 3 tickets, knowing they'd have a honest chance?
Might be time for a formula....

I don't buy raffle tickets at all for this reason. I'm sure I'm not the only one. If there was a limit, I would buy again. I'm again sure I'm not the only one.

Maybe they can do a trial year.  Leave the current raffle in place, and set up another with a 5 ticket limit and see what happens.  Who cares if 2 more bull moose get killed?  At the rate the wolves are killing them i think moose tags in this state are going to start disappearing.  May as well let us get while the gettins good.
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: WAPatriot on July 06, 2016, 10:13:52 PM
Why is it no one's all twisted up on these like the OIL tags when they are both lottery's?
Some one who ponies up a large chunk of change and then doesn't get drawn/ or has more chances in the bucket than someone else.

I am, but I've spouted off before to no avail. Apparently even if you only have 1 ticket, you still have a chance to win even though some other dude drops thousands of dollars on tickets for a single species, and that's good enough. So I'm all done spouting off. Limit the number of tickets. That's what I say.

That would make too much sense. 
Also, the state would lose out majorly, or would they?
Could that spark more people to buy 2 or 3 tickets, knowing they'd have a honest chance?
Might be time for a formula....

I don't buy raffle tickets at all for this reason. I'm sure I'm not the only one. If there was a limit, I would buy again. I'm again sure I'm not the only one.

Maybe they can do a trial year.  Leave the current raffle in place, and set up another with a 5 ticket limit and see what happens.  Who cares if 2 more bull moose get killed?  At the rate the wolves are killing them i think moose tags in this state are going to start disappearing.  May as well let us get while the gettins good.

I want to hunt a Washington moose so bad. Best system would be all raffle ticket style our current draw system stinks the system is kind of rigged against people's who's families didn't start putting them in young.
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Eli346 on July 07, 2016, 07:31:43 AM
I buy one and this year it's going to be the lucky ONE!
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: EmeraldBullet on July 07, 2016, 07:43:21 AM
I still think the state should have one moose tag that they straight up auction off each year (or even every other year). I doubt I would ever be able to afford it but I feel bad for all the old timers who pay in every year and have never gotten a chance. Maybe they could limit the auction to 50+ in age or something.
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: jackelope on July 07, 2016, 07:57:08 AM
I still think the state should have one moose tag that they straight up auction off each year (or even every other year). I doubt I would ever be able to afford it but I feel bad for all the old timers who pay in every year and have never gotten a chance. Maybe they could limit the auction to 50+ in age or something.


They do.
I think it usually sells for $10k-20k. This year maybe was a little more than that I think.
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: benhuntin on July 07, 2016, 08:01:40 AM
I still think the state should have one moose tag that they straight up auction off each year (or even every other year). I doubt I would ever be able to afford it but I feel bad for all the old timers who pay in every year and have never gotten a chance. Maybe they could limit the auction to 50+ in age or something.


They do.
I think it usually sells for $10k-20k. This year maybe was a little more than that I think.
This year it was 21-22k. Last two years it was right at 40k


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Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: rtspring on July 07, 2016, 08:04:25 AM
Jealousy is Rampant once again, as shown by many.

No matter what this State does they cannot make everyone happy.  Be glad you can hunt the animals you do, and should you be lucky enough to hunt a OIL animal be very thankful.

There is a lot more to hunting than the Horns or antlers you put on your wall. 
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: EmeraldBullet on July 07, 2016, 08:12:19 AM
I didn't know about the auction, wow...
Don't mean to hijack the thread here but another quick question that's semi related:

If someone has private land, and they buy several moose from a legal source (say some zoo in Denmark or whatever), could they raise moose on the property for private hunts or would that be considered illegal in Wa?
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Bwana Bob on July 07, 2016, 08:32:04 AM
WOW/WTF,  I only buy just one or 2 raffle tickets, no wonder I'm a looser, but then again, I drew A SHEEP TAG AND A GOAT TAG BEFORE THE POINT SYSTEM. :dunno:
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: jackelope on July 07, 2016, 08:49:32 AM
I didn't know about the auction, wow...
Don't mean to hijack the thread here but another quick question that's semi related:

If someone has private land, and they buy several moose from a legal source (say some zoo in Denmark or whatever), could they raise moose on the property for private hunts or would that be considered illegal in Wa?
Illegal in WA
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: GrampasGuns on July 07, 2016, 10:08:38 AM
No jealousy  here! I think its hysterical to piss away that much money on something thats not guaranteed.

As mentioned before and like I told the woman at Fred Meyer who was completely bewildered by what was probably the largest dollar amount ever spent in the Redmond Freddies ever, IT ONLY TAKES ONE!!!!!

good luck me! And you guys too :chuckle:
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: jackelope on July 07, 2016, 10:15:54 AM
I still think the state should have one moose tag that they straight up auction off each year (or even every other year). I doubt I would ever be able to afford it but I feel bad for all the old timers who pay in every year and have never gotten a chance. Maybe they could limit the auction to 50+ in age or something.


They do.
I think it usually sells for $10k-20k. This year maybe was a little more than that I think.
This year it was 21-22k. Last two years it was right at 40k


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You're right, my bad.
2012 was $16k
2013 $40k
2014 $35k
2015 $28k

http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/raffles/big_game_auctions_proceeds.pdf
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: teanawayslayer on July 07, 2016, 10:29:26 AM
There is a poster at the retailer where I buy my raffle tickets. It reads" 50% of 2015 raffle winners purchased 10 or less tickets". Those odds aren't bad for a guy who buys only a few tickets. Anything can happen!
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: jackelope on July 07, 2016, 11:14:40 AM
There is a poster at the retailer where I buy my raffle tickets. It reads" 50% of 2015 raffle winners purchased 10 or less tickets". Those odds aren't bad for a guy who buys only a few tickets. Anything can happen!

I feel like the "whales" didn't buy in like they normally do last year. I know the guy who drew the mule deer raffle and he purchased 1 ticket. I'm not sure the same could be said for 2014.
It would be interesting to look at those numbers.  Maybe if I get bored later.
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: jackelope on July 07, 2016, 11:25:37 AM
2015:
I don't want to sit here and count, so if there's a lot, I'm just going to say a lot.

Blacktail-30 tickets.
Mule deer-1
Whitetail-Lots(50?)
Eastside elk-3
Westside elk-Lots(hundreds, clearly a whale)
Mountain Goat-10
Moose #1-2
Moose #2-30+
North Central WA combo-Lots(whale)
Northeast WA combo-6
Cali sheep-Lots(whale)
South central WA combo-Lots(whale)
Southeast WA combo-Lots
Three deer-1

Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: jackelope on July 07, 2016, 11:27:01 AM
6 out of 14 had 10 or less.
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: andersonjk4 on July 07, 2016, 12:38:31 PM
Added the large numbers to the counts.  Some definite whales in there.

2015:
I don't want to sit here and count, so if there's a lot, I'm just going to say a lot.

Blacktail-30 tickets.
Mule deer-1
Whitetail-Lots(50?) - 60
Eastside elk-3
Westside elk-Lots(hundreds, clearly a whale) - 1653
Mountain Goat-10
Moose #1-2
Moose #2-30+ - 50
North Central WA combo-Lots(whale) - 999
Northeast WA combo-6
Cali sheep-Lots(whale) - 1461
South central WA combo-Lots(whale) - 627
Southeast WA combo-Lots - 50
Three deer-1
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: andersonjk4 on July 07, 2016, 12:44:31 PM
Some other interesting numbers...

The person who won the South Central Combo also purchased the following:
Blacktail - 91 @ $6 = $546
Elk (East) - 374 @ $6 = $2244
Elk (West) - 120 @ $6 = $720
Northeast Combo - 29 @ $17 = $493
Southeast Combo - 80 @$22.5 = $1800
Plus his winning
South Central Combo - 627 @ $17 = $10,659

Grand Total = $16,462

The person who won the Southeast Combo with 50 tickets had purchased 300 for the Northeast Combo.
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: teanawayslayer on July 07, 2016, 12:53:53 PM
Some other interesting numbers...

The person who won the South Central Combo also purchased the following:
Blacktail - 91 @ $6 = $546
Elk (East) - 374 @ $6 = $2244
Elk (West) - 120 @ $6 = $720
Northeast Combo - 29 @ $17 = $493
Southeast Combo - 80 @$22.5 = $1800
Plus his winning
South Central Combo - 627 @ $17 = $10,659

Grand Total = $16,462

The person who won the Southeast Combo with 50 tickets had purchased 300 for the Northeast Combo.
this would be Tod Reichert
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Gringo31 on July 07, 2016, 01:07:07 PM
Odds are better for raffle than they are for OIL's.  I bought my first ever raffle tickets this year.  Spent about $100
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: teanawayslayer on July 08, 2016, 08:35:31 AM
I like how wdfw has been keeping tabs on how many tickets have been purchased. They have been pretty good about it until now. I guess they want more people to purchase. Last update June 27. Bs!
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Bushcraft on July 08, 2016, 02:18:10 PM
I like how wdfw has been keeping tabs on how many tickets have been purchased. They have been pretty good about it until now. I guess they want more people to purchase. Last update June 27. Bs!

The individual responsible for updating the information is on vacation.  They will be updated on Monday.
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: teanawayslayer on July 11, 2016, 12:36:10 PM
I like how wdfw has been keeping tabs on how many tickets have been purchased. They have been pretty good about it until now. I guess they want more people to purchase. Last update June 27. Bs!

The individual responsible for updating the information is on vacation.  They will be updated on Monday.
must have called in sick today. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: trophyhunt on July 11, 2016, 12:45:48 PM
I spent a couple hundred last Thursday, couldn't imagine getting drawn! 
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Ridgerunner on July 11, 2016, 01:59:55 PM
Wish they would update the totals, I'm thinking I'm going to buy a few tonight.  Give myself a few more weeks of dreaming of an epic hunt here in WA.   
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Bushcraft on July 11, 2016, 03:17:15 PM
First world problems... :chuckle:
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Gringo31 on July 11, 2016, 03:23:43 PM
Updated
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: WAPatriot on July 11, 2016, 03:54:01 PM
Odds for the ne combo just plummeted wtf glad I've only used half my ammo.
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Bushcraft on July 11, 2016, 03:58:16 PM
For a mere $10k you could add 50% to your odds.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: trophyhunt on July 11, 2016, 04:29:23 PM
Hard to believe they have sold more westside elk than eastside, strange.
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: teanawayslayer on July 11, 2016, 06:32:37 PM

Hunt opportunities this year include:   Number of raffle tickets purchased as of:
July 10, 2016 8:20 pm
Three Deer   $ 17.00 per ticket   837  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31   
Black-tailed deer: GMUs open to black-tailed deer hunting except GMU 485

Mule deer: GMUs open to mule deer hunting

White-tailed deer: GMUs open to white-tailed deer

May harvest all 3 species below:
1 additional any buck black-tailed deer
1 additional any buck mule deer
1 additional any buck white-tailed deer

 

Northeast Washington - Big Game   $ 17.00 per ticket   590  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
White-tailed deer,
elk, & moose:
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31

Black bear:
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31 &
April 15 ‑ May 31   

Cougar:
Sep. 1 - Mar. 31

Turkey:
April 15 ‑ May 31

GMUs 101-124

May harvest 3 of 6 species below:
1 additional any buck white-tailed deer
1 additional any bull elk
1 any bull moose
1 additional any legal cougar
1 additional any legal black bear
1 additional any legal turkey (gobbler & turkey with visible beard only)

 

South Central Washington - Big Game   $ 17.00 per ticket   954  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31

Elk: Any 300 or 500 series GMU open to elk hunting except GMUs not open to branch antlered bull elk hunting

Deer: Any 300 or 500 series GMU open to deer hunting

California bighorn sheep: Quilomene, Umtanum, Selah Butte, and Cleman Mountain herds are available.

May harvest all 3 species below:
1 additional any bull elk
1 additional any buck deer
1 California bighorn sheep ram

 

Southeast Washington - Big Game   $ 22.50 per ticket   436  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
White-tailed deer,
mule deer, & elk:
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31

Black bear:
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31&
April 15 ‑ June 15   

Cougar:
Sep. 1 - Mar. 31

GMUs 139-154 & 162-186

May harvest 4 of 5 species below:
1 additional any buck white-tailed deer
1 additional any buck mule deer
1 additional any bull elk
1 additional any legal cougar
1 additional any legal black bear

 

North Central Washington - Big Game   $ 17.00 per ticket   1503  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
White-tailed deer, mule
deer, & California
bighorn sheep:
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31

Black bear:
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31&
April 15 ‑ June 15

Cougar:
Sep. 1 - Mar. 31

White-tailed deer, mule deer, cougar, & black bear: any 200 series GMU open to deer hunting

California bighorn sheep: Mt. Hull, Manson, and Chelan Butte herds are available.

May harvest 3 of 5 species below: 
1 additional any buck white-tailed deer
1 additional any buck mule deer
1 any ram California bighorn sheep
1 additional any legal cougar
1 additional any legal black bear

 

Deer - Black-tailed   $ 6.00 per ticket   880  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31

GMUs open to black-tailed deer hunting except GMU 485

1 additional any buck black-tailed deer

 

Deer - Mule   $ 6.00 per ticket   2577  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31

GMUs open to mule deer hunting

1 additional any buck mule deer

 

Deer - Whitetail   $ 6.00 per ticket   956  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31

GMUs open to white-tailed deer hunting

1 additional any buck white-tailed deer

 

Elk (Westside)   $ 6.00 per ticket   2408  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31

Western Washington
except GMU 485, those GMUs closed to elk hunting, & those GMUs not open to branch antlered bull elk hunting

1 additional any bull elk

 

Elk (Eastside)   $ 6.00 per ticket   2335  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31

Eastern Washington
except GMU 157, those GMUs closed to elk hunting, & those GMUs not opened to branch antlered bull elk hunting

1 additional any bull elk

 

California Bighorn Sheep   $ 11.50 per ticket   3294  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31

Lincoln Cliffs, Mt. Hull, Manson, Chelan Butte, Quilomene, Umtanum, Selah Butte, and Cleman Mountain herds are available.

1 California bighorn ram

 

Moose (2 permits available)   $ 6.00 per ticket   3846  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31

Any open moose unit

1 moose (either sex)

 

Mountain goat   $ 6.00 per ticket   2695  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31

Avalanche Gorge, Chowder Ridge, Lincoln Peak, Chelan North, Chelan South, Naches Pass, Bumping River, Tieton/Goat Rocks, and East Olympic Mountains are available.

1 mountain goat (either sex)
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on July 11, 2016, 06:54:19 PM
Hard to believe they have sold more westside elk than eastside, strange.

BULLWINKLE IS GONE, NO REASON TO HUNT THE EAST SIDE NOW. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: WildBear on July 11, 2016, 07:36:20 PM
Purchased a mere 5 tickets for the California Sheep. Can't win if I don't play....  :hello:

Feels real good to donate too...  ;)
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: carlyoungs on July 11, 2016, 07:44:36 PM
Is there a place where it tells you where the nearest dealer is? Never purchased before but want to now. Thanks
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: JimmyHoffa on July 11, 2016, 07:46:51 PM
Is there a place where it tells you where the nearest dealer is? Never purchased before but want to now. Thanks
anyplace that sells hunting licenses (except online at home)
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on July 11, 2016, 07:47:18 PM
Is there a place where it tells you where the nearest dealer is? Never purchased before but want to now. Thanks
anyplace that sells hunting licenses (except online at home)

WALMAT
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: carlyoungs on July 11, 2016, 07:48:13 PM
Thank you
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: coachcw on July 12, 2016, 06:58:39 AM
Chelan butte being in the mix bumped two of those sales for sure .
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: teanawayslayer on July 13, 2016, 06:24:00 AM
Special Permits & Raffles   
Buy Your License Online!   Buy Your License Online!
2016 Raffle Permit Hunts

Check 2015 Raffle Results
Prices:

Deer, Elk, Moose, Mountain Goat: $6.00/ticket
Bighorn Sheep: $11.50/ticket
Multi-species: $17.00/ticket for three-species raffles, $22.50/ticket for four-species raffles
Raffle tickets are no longer available to purchase online or over the telephone. Washington gambling regulations prohibit wire sales.
Where To Purchase:

License Vendors

Purchase Deadline:

July 15, 2016

Proceeds from the sale of single-species raffle tickets will be used for the management and benefit of that species. Proceeds from the sale of multiple species raffle tickets will be used for general game management.

There is no limit on the number of tickets a person may purchase. Residents and non-residents are eligible to purchase tickets. Refunds are not available on raffle ticket purchases. The “Once in a Lifetime Harvest" restriction is waived for auction and raffle hunts. The winner of the deer and elk raffles may purchase an additional deer or elk license/tag for the general hunting season if they choose. If selected, any legal weapon may be used during the hunt.

One winner and two alternates will be drawn for each hunt. Each winner must be eligible to purchase a hunting license and will be issued the appropriate license and tag at no cost.

The drawing is done by computer and the winning ticket holder will be notified via phone and mail by mid-August. If you are selected for a multi-species raffle, a decision must be made as to which species you would like to hunt before your hunting license and tags will be issued by the Department.

Learn more about Big Game Auctions and Raffle Program.

 

Hunt opportunities this year include:   Number of raffle tickets purchased as of:
July 12, 2016 3:18 pm
Three Deer   $ 17.00 per ticket   857  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31   
Black-tailed deer: GMUs open to black-tailed deer hunting except GMU 485

Mule deer: GMUs open to mule deer hunting

White-tailed deer: GMUs open to white-tailed deer

May harvest all 3 species below:
1 additional any buck black-tailed deer
1 additional any buck mule deer
1 additional any buck white-tailed deer

 

Northeast Washington - Big Game   $ 17.00 per ticket   647  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
White-tailed deer,
elk, & moose:
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31

Black bear:
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31 &
April 15 ‑ May 31   

Cougar:
Sep. 1 - Mar. 31

Turkey:
April 15 ‑ May 31

GMUs 101-124

May harvest 3 of 6 species below:
1 additional any buck white-tailed deer
1 additional any bull elk
1 any bull moose
1 additional any legal cougar
1 additional any legal black bear
1 additional any legal turkey (gobbler & turkey with visible beard only)

 

South Central Washington - Big Game   $ 17.00 per ticket   989  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31

Elk: Any 300 or 500 series GMU open to elk hunting except GMUs not open to branch antlered bull elk hunting

Deer: Any 300 or 500 series GMU open to deer hunting

California bighorn sheep: Quilomene, Umtanum, Selah Butte, and Cleman Mountain herds are available.

May harvest all 3 species below:
1 additional any bull elk
1 additional any buck deer
1 California bighorn sheep ram

 

Southeast Washington - Big Game   $ 22.50 per ticket   1179  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
White-tailed deer,
mule deer, & elk:
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31

Black bear:
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31&
April 15 ‑ June 15   

Cougar:
Sep. 1 - Mar. 31

GMUs 139-154 & 162-186

May harvest 4 of 5 species below:
1 additional any buck white-tailed deer
1 additional any buck mule deer
1 additional any bull elk
1 additional any legal cougar
1 additional any legal black bear

 

North Central Washington - Big Game   $ 17.00 per ticket   2063  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
White-tailed deer, mule
deer, & California
bighorn sheep:
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31

Black bear:
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31&
April 15 ‑ June 15

Cougar:
Sep. 1 - Mar. 31

White-tailed deer, mule deer, cougar, & black bear: any 200 series GMU open to deer hunting

California bighorn sheep: Mt. Hull, Manson, and Chelan Butte herds are available.

May harvest 3 of 5 species below: 
1 additional any buck white-tailed deer
1 additional any buck mule deer
1 any ram California bighorn sheep
1 additional any legal cougar
1 additional any legal black bear

 

Deer - Black-tailed   $ 6.00 per ticket   909  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31

GMUs open to black-tailed deer hunting except GMU 485

1 additional any buck black-tailed deer

 

Deer - Mule   $ 6.00 per ticket   2630  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31

GMUs open to mule deer hunting

1 additional any buck mule deer

 

Deer - Whitetail   $ 6.00 per ticket   959  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31

GMUs open to white-tailed deer hunting

1 additional any buck white-tailed deer

 

Elk (Westside)   $ 6.00 per ticket   2434  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31

Western Washington
except GMU 485, those GMUs closed to elk hunting, & those GMUs not open to branch antlered bull elk hunting

1 additional any bull elk

 

Elk (Eastside)   $ 6.00 per ticket   2383  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31

Eastern Washington
except GMU 157, those GMUs closed to elk hunting, & those GMUs not opened to branch antlered bull elk hunting

1 additional any bull elk

 

California Bighorn Sheep   $ 11.50 per ticket   3368  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31

Lincoln Cliffs, Mt. Hull, Manson, Chelan Butte, Quilomene, Umtanum, Selah Butte, and Cleman Mountain herds are available.

1 California bighorn ram

 

Moose (2 permits available)   $ 6.00 per ticket   3963  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31

Any open moose unit

1 moose (either sex)

 

Mountain goat   $ 6.00 per ticket   2728  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31

Avalanche Gorge, Chowder Ridge, Lincoln Peak, Chelan North, Chelan South, Naches Pass, Bumping River, Tieton/Goat Rocks, and East Olympic Mountains are available.

1 mountain goat (either sex)

 

Other Raffle Permits
(Different prices, purchase procedure, and deadline. Ticket sales are NOT updated for this raffle.)
 
Rocky Mountain Bighorn Sheep

Sold by the Washington Wild Sheep Foundation at http://www.washingtonwsf.org/raffle.htm
EARLY DEADLINE: July 6, 2016
DRAWING DATE: July 20, 2016
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31   GMUs 113, 172   1 Rocky Mountain bighorn ram.
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Gringo31 on July 13, 2016, 07:22:14 AM
An increase of 743 SE tickets in 2 days  :yike:
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: trophyhunt on July 13, 2016, 07:27:59 AM
An increase of 743 SE tickets in 2 days  :yike:
COACH!!!!!!!                                                           :chuckle:
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Bushcraft on July 13, 2016, 09:36:13 AM
It will be interesting to see how the final numbers shape up.
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: jackelope on July 13, 2016, 10:04:59 AM
 :chuckle:
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Bushcraft on July 13, 2016, 10:27:11 AM
:chuckle:

Now THAT is friggin' hilarious! Good stuff Josh.  :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: NOCK NOCK on July 13, 2016, 12:30:04 PM
:chuckle:

Finding Nemo......Your sayin I got a chance.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: teanawayslayer on July 14, 2016, 12:51:33 PM

Hunt opportunities this year include:   Number of raffle tickets purchased as of:
July 14, 2016 8:56 am
Three Deer   $ 17.00 per ticket   884  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31   
Black-tailed deer: GMUs open to black-tailed deer hunting except GMU 485

Mule deer: GMUs open to mule deer hunting

White-tailed deer: GMUs open to white-tailed deer

May harvest all 3 species below:
1 additional any buck black-tailed deer
1 additional any buck mule deer
1 additional any buck white-tailed deer

 

Northeast Washington - Big Game   $ 17.00 per ticket   694  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
White-tailed deer,
elk, & moose:
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31

Black bear:
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31 &
April 15 ‑ May 31   

Cougar:
Sep. 1 - Mar. 31

Turkey:
April 15 ‑ May 31

GMUs 101-124

May harvest 3 of 6 species below:
1 additional any buck white-tailed deer
1 additional any bull elk
1 any bull moose
1 additional any legal cougar
1 additional any legal black bear
1 additional any legal turkey (gobbler & turkey with visible beard only)

 

South Central Washington - Big Game   $ 17.00 per ticket   1082  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31

Elk: Any 300 or 500 series GMU open to elk hunting except GMUs not open to branch antlered bull elk hunting

Deer: Any 300 or 500 series GMU open to deer hunting

California bighorn sheep: Quilomene, Umtanum, Selah Butte, and Cleman Mountain herds are available.

May harvest all 3 species below:
1 additional any bull elk
1 additional any buck deer
1 California bighorn sheep ram

 

Southeast Washington - Big Game   $ 22.50 per ticket   1193  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
White-tailed deer,
mule deer, & elk:
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31

Black bear:
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31&
April 15 ‑ June 15   

Cougar:
Sep. 1 - Mar. 31

GMUs 139-154 & 162-186

May harvest 4 of 5 species below:
1 additional any buck white-tailed deer
1 additional any buck mule deer
1 additional any bull elk
1 additional any legal cougar
1 additional any legal black bear

 

North Central Washington - Big Game   $ 17.00 per ticket   2107  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
White-tailed deer, mule
deer, & California
bighorn sheep:
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31

Black bear:
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31&
April 15 ‑ June 15

Cougar:
Sep. 1 - Mar. 31

White-tailed deer, mule deer, cougar, & black bear: any 200 series GMU open to deer hunting

California bighorn sheep: Mt. Hull, Manson, and Chelan Butte herds are available.

May harvest 3 of 5 species below: 
1 additional any buck white-tailed deer
1 additional any buck mule deer
1 any ram California bighorn sheep
1 additional any legal cougar
1 additional any legal black bear

 

Deer - Black-tailed   $ 6.00 per ticket   966  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31

GMUs open to black-tailed deer hunting except GMU 485

1 additional any buck black-tailed deer

 

Deer - Mule   $ 6.00 per ticket   2744  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31

GMUs open to mule deer hunting

1 additional any buck mule deer

 

Deer - Whitetail   $ 6.00 per ticket   1070  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31

GMUs open to white-tailed deer hunting

1 additional any buck white-tailed deer

 

Elk (Westside)   $ 6.00 per ticket   2468  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31

Western Washington
except GMU 485, those GMUs closed to elk hunting, & those GMUs not open to branch antlered bull elk hunting

1 additional any bull elk

 

Elk (Eastside)   $ 6.00 per ticket   2531  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31

Eastern Washington
except GMU 157, those GMUs closed to elk hunting, & those GMUs not opened to branch antlered bull elk hunting

1 additional any bull elk

 

California Bighorn Sheep   $ 11.50 per ticket   3462  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31

Lincoln Cliffs, Mt. Hull, Manson, Chelan Butte, Quilomene, Umtanum, Selah Butte, and Cleman Mountain herds are available.

1 California bighorn ram

 

Moose (2 permits available)   $ 6.00 per ticket   4140  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31

Any open moose unit

1 moose (either sex)

 

Mountain goat   $ 6.00 per ticket   2800  tickets purchased 
SEASON DATES   HUNT AREA   BAG LIMIT
Sep. 1 ‑ Dec. 31

Avalanche Gorge, Chowder Ridge, Lincoln Peak, Chelan North, Chelan South, Naches Pass, Bumping River, Tieton/Goat Rocks, and East Olympic Mountains are available.

1 mountain goat (either sex)

 
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Ghost Hunter on July 15, 2016, 06:21:54 AM
Odds are better for raffle than they are for OIL's.  I bought my first ever raffle tickets this year.  Spent about $100
:yeah:
So I do have a chance.  That's the way I'm starting to look at it.  Kinda like :fishin:
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Caseknife on July 15, 2016, 07:00:31 AM
I do have a chance, but it is in the neighborhood of the valve lash on YZ450F.
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Bushcraft on July 18, 2016, 12:58:21 PM
Here's the math on the last minute raffle buy-in shenanigans...  :chuckle:



Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Whitenuckles on July 19, 2016, 05:50:55 PM
I went large for my little bank account this year. I've got 53 tickets for Blacktail. I swear I'm gonna cry if I get another "NOT SELECTED". :bash:
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on July 19, 2016, 05:59:57 PM
I went large for my little bank account this year. I've got 53 tickets for Blacktail. I swear I'm gonna cry if I get another "NOT SELECTED". :bash:

LOOK AT THE BRIGHT SIDE, IT DOESN'T TAKE LONG TO CRY OVER $318.  :lol4:
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: NWShooter on July 23, 2016, 11:28:52 PM
I'd still love to see a 5 ticket restriction on raffles.

It's free range, it isn't "Gender"  :chuckle: specific. It isn't for the soft, weak or mild. Pony up or get out. Nothing like a camera hound asking for restrictions?

Some can pay to play some can't? Maybe some should pay for their ride. Other than tagging along.
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: NWShooter on July 23, 2016, 11:42:47 PM
I went large for my little bank account this year. I've got 53 tickets for Blacktail. I swear I'm gonna cry if I get another "NOT SELECTED". :bash:

LOOK AT THE BRIGHT SIDE, IT DOESN'T TAKE LONG TO CRY OVER $318.  :lol4:

 :tup: :tup: :tup:
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: JimmyHoffa on July 29, 2016, 03:31:11 PM
It still doesn't appear that they've updated the website to check.  I know they said the call the winners, but in the past I seem to recall that the site was functional fairly soon after the picks were made.  But then again, it seemed like the picks took longer.   
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: teanawayslayer on July 29, 2016, 04:54:34 PM
It still doesn't appear that they've updated the website to check.  I know they said the call the winners, but in the past I seem to recall that the site was functional fairly soon after the picks were made.  But then again, it seemed like the picks took longer.
i think all the winners have to have excepted the tag. So if someone hasn't responded yet they have 15 days to respond. If that's the case there is still hope for those who didn't get the phone call. The lady who does the calls said the results should be up this week. She may be waiting to Hear back from one of the winning tickets.
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Ghost Hunter on July 29, 2016, 08:04:28 PM
I was told there was one winner without a phone number, so we're waiting on snail mail. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Gringo31 on August 08, 2016, 03:12:58 PM
So far, I haven't gotten any info from WDFW (other than the phone call).  Any idea when paperwork should show up?
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Gringo31 on August 10, 2016, 05:55:29 AM
Got a second call yesterday, said they talked to biologist, all is good and putting in the mail and I should receive shortly


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Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Oscar1970 on August 10, 2016, 06:24:34 AM
Yes, the call that it was in the mail came Monday afternoon
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: teanawayslayer on August 11, 2016, 11:38:38 AM
Yes, the call that it was in the mail came Monday afternoon
were you a winner as well?
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Oscar1970 on August 11, 2016, 12:14:38 PM
Drew the3 deer, got the packet today
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: teanawayslayer on August 11, 2016, 12:18:02 PM
Drew the3 deer, got the packet today
congrats! Welcome to the site.
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Oscar1970 on August 11, 2016, 12:36:29 PM
Thank you
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: coachcw on August 11, 2016, 02:03:00 PM
Score !
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Gringo31 on August 11, 2016, 02:17:43 PM
Congrats Oscar!

Welcome to the site
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Gringo31 on August 14, 2016, 06:12:28 AM
I see the results posted.  The E. Elk winner was also drawn for moose.  But he laid down some cash!

Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Jpmiller on August 14, 2016, 10:33:25 PM
Two raffles in a year? I may actually buy a few next year. At least one eh?
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: andersonjk4 on August 15, 2016, 02:48:23 PM
I see the results posted.  The E. Elk winner was also drawn for moose.  But he laid down some cash!



699 tickets for E. Elk = $4194 (20%)
1032 tickets for Moose = $6192 (37.4%)
100 tickets Cali Sheep = $1150 (2.6%)
136 tickets for SE Combo = $3060 (9.1%)

Total = $14,596

He definitely laid down some cash!

(Percentages are rough draw odds)
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: benhuntin on August 15, 2016, 03:05:02 PM
I see the results posted.  The E. Elk winner was also drawn for moose.  But he laid down some cash!



699 tickets for E. Elk = $4194 (20%)
1032 tickets for Moose = $6192 (37.4%)
100 tickets Cali Sheep = $1150 (2.6%)
136 tickets for SE Combo = $3060 (9.1%)

Total = $14,596

He definitely laid down some cash!

(Percentages are rough draw odds)
I would pay $15000 for a moose and east side elk tag any day.


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Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: andersonjk4 on August 15, 2016, 03:08:30 PM
Number of tickets purchased by each winner.  5/13 bought 10 or less tickets.

Blacktail - 10
Mule Deer - 8
Whitetail - 499
E. Elk - 699
W. Elk - 749
Goat - 83
Moose 1 - 1032
Moose 2 - 99
NC Combo - 4
NE Combo - 21
Sheep - 1
SC Combo - 363
3 Deer - 3
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: andersonjk4 on August 15, 2016, 03:11:40 PM
I see the results posted.  The E. Elk winner was also drawn for moose.  But he laid down some cash!



699 tickets for E. Elk = $4194 (20%)
1032 tickets for Moose = $6192 (37.4%)
100 tickets Cali Sheep = $1150 (2.6%)
136 tickets for SE Combo = $3060 (9.1%)

Total = $14,596

He definitely laid down some cash!

(Percentages are rough draw odds)
I would pay $15000 for a moose and east side elk tag any day.


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I agree.  If I had $15k to spend on hunting, those two tags would be well worth it.  But to spend $15k essentially gambling on the tags takes some balls or some serious deep pockets.   
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: benhuntin on August 15, 2016, 03:12:14 PM
Number of tickets purchased by each winner.  5/13 bought 10 or less tickets.

Blacktail - 10
Mule Deer - 8
Whitetail - 499
E. Elk - 699
W. Elk - 749
Goat - 83
Moose 1 - 1032
Moose 2 - 99
NC Combo - 4
NE Combo - 21
Sheep - 1
SC Combo - 363
3 Deer - 3
By each person in each category.  That's not there total.


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Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: andersonjk4 on August 15, 2016, 03:14:04 PM

By each person in each category.  That's not there total.


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Yep.  Only the number of tickets they bought in the category they won. 
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Rainier10 on August 15, 2016, 03:20:13 PM
Winner of the goat raffle bought 83 tickets?  I am thinking Bushcraft bought over 2,500 right?  He came in 3rd and 4th.  I would like to know how many the 2nd place guy in the goat raffle bought.
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Bushcraft on August 16, 2016, 08:43:08 PM
I would too.  I'm not going to raise a stink about it, but I did an analysis and found what appears to be a statistical impossibility in what should be a completely random drawing.
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Tbar on August 16, 2016, 09:03:25 PM
I would too.  I'm not going to raise a stink about it, but I did an analysis and found what appears to be a statistical impossibility in what should be a completely random drawing.
Bold statement bushcraft.  Can you explain?
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Bushcraft on August 16, 2016, 11:27:31 PM
I would too.  I'm not going to raise a stink about it, but I did an analysis and found what appears to be a statistical impossibility in what should be a completely random drawing.
Bold statement bushcraft.  Can you explain?

Let me take a stab at explaining it Tbar.

Not all computer derived random number generators are created equal, or all that random.  Like all software, the output is entirely dependent upon the input.  Garbage in, garbage out.

Success percentage anomalies can and do occur with relatively few randomly drawn numbers, but they quickly begin to dissipate and approach normally expected percentages.  For example, if you flip a coin ten times, it's entirely possible and shouldn't be considered all that surprising if perhaps as many as 7, 8 or even 9 of the 10 first flips came up heads.  But, the more you flip the 50/50 coin, the more your heads vs. tails aggregate count will quickly approach 50%.

In this case, I owned approximately twice as many goat raffle tickets as everyone else combined, or 65%.  What's interesting is that my aggregate "successful" draws throughout the computer generated drawing didn't approach that number until exactly 3,106 (or 76%) of the total tickets were drawn.  That is MUCH higher than 1,000...which is the number generally used to establish a large enough sample base to consider something statistically viable.  That is odd.  Not getting close to the 66% after 2,000 is odder still.  Having to draw 3106 tickets to reach the aggregate 65% threshold is totally bizarre IMHO.  Also note the odd consecutive extended decrease (non-draws) occurring between 940ish to 1220ish.  I'm not quite sure what to make of it all but it seems to me that it would take many thousands of Monte Carlo simulations (randomly re-do the entire draw) to generate this bit of strangeness.

One further...I know a guy who purchased half the tickets sold once and he claims the system didn't register a successful draw for him during the first 50 "randomly" generated computer draws. How's that for something that makes you go hmmmmm?  ;)

Given the amount of money everyone in aggregate throws at these raffle drawings, I'd be a strong proponent of going back to a publicly auditable manual drawing of at least the top five tickets per category.  Who knows what sort of coding their outsourced black box is really using?
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Miles on August 17, 2016, 06:18:11 AM
Just buy more tickets next year.
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Oscar1970 on August 17, 2016, 06:22:32 AM
Clean livin
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Gringo31 on August 17, 2016, 07:29:18 AM
I know that if I dumped a truckload of cash into a system and was playing my odds, upping the buy in to increase my odds...... I'd want to make for certain that everything was on the up and up.  Math should be math.  I wonder if buying 2000 tickets in 100 ticket lots would make a difference.  Granted, I realize it shouldn't, but skimming what Bushcraft said, it makes me wonder.

I'd bet if you asked the right people, you could get some answers.


Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Reidus on August 17, 2016, 07:30:56 AM
Pretty interesting bushcraft!
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: emac on August 17, 2016, 11:15:11 AM
Number of tickets purchased by each winner.  5/13 bought 10 or less tickets.

Blacktail - 10
Mule Deer - 8
Whitetail - 499
E. Elk - 699
W. Elk - 749
Goat - 83
Moose 1 - 1032
Moose 2 - 99
NC Combo - 4
NE Combo - 21
Sheep - 1
SC Combo - 363
3 Deer - 3
Where can you find this info out and how come the se combo isnt on there

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Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: andersonjk4 on August 17, 2016, 01:46:13 PM
Number of tickets purchased by each winner.  5/13 bought 10 or less tickets.

Blacktail - 10
Mule Deer - 8
Whitetail - 499
E. Elk - 699
W. Elk - 749
Goat - 83
Moose 1 - 1032
Moose 2 - 99
NC Combo - 4
NE Combo - 21
Sheep - 1
SC Combo - 363
3 Deer - 3
Where can you find this info out and how come the se combo isnt on there

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Here is where I got the info:

http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/raffles/lookup.html (http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/raffles/lookup.html)

And the SE Combo winner is not listed on the website.  I didn't realize that until you brought it up.  That is interesting.  I wonder if they are having issues with that drawing or contacting the winner? 

Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Ridgerunner on August 18, 2016, 10:32:34 AM
numbers are very telling, the odds of winning anything with just a ticket or two are virtually nil, gotta pay up if you want to have more than a minuscule chance of winning. 
Title: Re: Raffle-ness
Post by: Jpmiller on August 18, 2016, 10:45:31 AM
After seeing those numbers I will take long odds next year over the no odds I had this year. I never entered before but some guys are winning without the investment, might as well be me!
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