Post by: Jpmiller on July 08, 2016, 09:17:03 PM
Anyone ever come across this or know what a good way to remedy it is without slicing yourself up? Not gonna lie I am a little nervous about it now.
Post by: northwesthunter84 on July 08, 2016, 09:30:23 PM
Post by: shmacker on July 08, 2016, 09:33:06 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 08, 2016, 09:35:20 PM
Post by: jburkett on July 08, 2016, 10:25:47 PM
Post by: Born2late on July 08, 2016, 10:41:38 PM
Another one was my dad killed a 5pt bull elk over by forks years ago and he and i gutted it. He kept working around this white cartilage shaft down the center of his chest cavity until i realized it was a entire arrow. Someone had shot it straight on the year before and that bull fully recovered with a full length shaft with broadhead inside it totally covered in cartilage.
I think taking your time and going slow is the biggest thing to keep from cutting yourself.
Post by: Jpmiller on July 09, 2016, 03:51:20 AM
Post by: teanawayslayer on July 09, 2016, 07:10:28 AM
Another reason to not gutI'm not understanding the reasoning behind this statement. :dunno:
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 09, 2016, 07:43:21 AM
Another reason to not gutI'm not understanding the reasoning behind this statement. :dunno:
Probably because you gut :chuckle:
Post by: buglebrush on July 09, 2016, 07:52:38 AM
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on July 09, 2016, 09:56:28 AM
Post by: j_h_nimrod on July 09, 2016, 11:27:24 AM
Had that happen on a deer of my dads years ago, Just left the arrow in for reference and worked around it.
Another one was my dad killed a 5pt bull elk over by forks years ago and he and i gutted it. He kept working around this white cartilage shaft down the center of his chest cavity until i realized it was a entire arrow. Someone had shot it straight on the year before and that bull fully recovered with a full length shaft with broadhead inside it totally covered in cartilage.
I think taking your time and going slow is the biggest thing to keep from cutting yourself.
Exactly! I always wondered how people injured themselves until I saw a couple of the rip and slash speed cleaners. People spend hours and days hunting patiently, but as soon as something is down it seems like a race to get back home or to camp. Just take your time, it makes for cleaner meat and a less dangerous experience. My buck last year ended up with a broadhead stuck in the lower spine. Then after rolling down the hill the shaft broke inside the shoulder, I just carefully felt and cut until I found the head and then gave it a prudent space while working in the area.
I use the gutless method when I have to bone out or quarter an animal but many times have put in the extra effort to pull out whole (gutted). I still gut in the end because there is no other way to salvage all the meat I feel it is necessary to salvage.
Post by: buglebrush on July 09, 2016, 12:26:30 PM
Had that happen on a deer of my dads years ago, Just left the arrow in for reference and worked around it.
Another one was my dad killed a 5pt bull elk over by forks years ago and he and i gutted it. He kept working around this white cartilage shaft down the center of his chest cavity until i realized it was a entire arrow. Someone had shot it straight on the year before and that bull fully recovered with a full length shaft with broadhead inside it totally covered in cartilage.
I think taking your time and going slow is the biggest thing to keep from cutting yourself.
Exactly! I always wondered how people injured themselves until I saw a couple of the rip and slash speed cleaners. People spend hours and days hunting patiently, but as soon as something is down it seems like a race to get back home or to camp. Just take your time, it makes for cleaner meat and a less dangerous experience. My buck last year ended up with a broadhead stuck in the lower spine. Then after rolling down the hill the shaft broke inside the shoulder, I just carefully felt and cut until I found the head and then gave it a prudent space while working in the area.
I use the gutless method when I have to bone out or quarter an animal but many times have put in the extra effort to pull out whole (gutted). I still gut in the end because there is no other way to salvage all the meat I feel it is necessary to salvage.
The only thing you cannot salvage gutless is the organs...
Post by: dscubame on July 09, 2016, 05:17:56 PM
Post by: bowhunterforever on July 09, 2016, 05:42:05 PM
In my opinion this broadhead in the animal issue is being over thought.:yeah: Just be careful when gutting your animal if your broadhead is stuck in it.
Post by: Jpmiller on July 09, 2016, 08:17:44 PM
Post by: coachcw on July 10, 2016, 01:49:13 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on July 11, 2016, 03:58:22 PM
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The only thing you cannot salvage gutless is the organs...
And your $10 broadhead! :chuckle:
Post by: buglebrush on July 12, 2016, 02:19:25 PM
QuoteThe only thing you cannot salvage gutless is the organs...
And your $10 broadhead! :chuckle:
I guess the contingency could arise, but I've always just pulled mine out if they didn't pass through. ( Most pass through )
I just can't imagine myself ever gutting another animal in the back-country though. Probably would just abandon the Broadhead if it came to that. :chuckle:
Post by: SGTDuffman on July 12, 2016, 02:43:03 PM
Another reason to not gut
That doesn't make any sense. Gutless or not, you still have to remove the meat. If the arrow is stuck in a shoulder, you still have to get the quarter off, and depending if you pack quarters or bone out, you're gonna have to deal with that broadhead. I'm having a hard time thinking of anywhere you could get a broadhead stuck that would be less hazardous gutless than it would be if you hung and quartered the animal, especially something in the lower spine while you're digging around to cut out the tenderloins.
Post by: buglebrush on July 12, 2016, 02:44:17 PM
Another reason to not gut
That doesn't make any sense. Gutless or not, you still have to remove the meat. If the arrow is stuck in a shoulder, you still have to get the quarter off, and depending if you pack quarters or bone out, you're gonna have to deal with that broadhead. I'm having a hard time thinking of anywhere you could get a broadhead stuck that would be less hazardous gutless than it would be if you hung and quartered the animal, especially something in the lower spine while you're digging around to cut out the tenderloins.
Yes, but when you gut an animal you can't see where your hand is. Gutless I can always see what I am touching. :twocents:
Post by: D-Rock425 on July 12, 2016, 02:50:58 PM
In my opinion this broadhead in the animal issue is being over thought.:yeah:
Post by: j_h_nimrod on July 12, 2016, 06:36:15 PM
QuoteThe only thing you cannot salvage gutless is the organs...
And your $10 broadhead! :chuckle:
I guess the contingency could arise, but I've always just pulled mine out if they didn't pass through. ( Most pass through )
I just can't imagine myself ever gutting another animal in the back-country though. Probably would just abandon the Broadhead if it came to that. :chuckle:
Beyond the fact that I like to collect bullets and broad heads I have killed an animal with I don't see why you wouldn't pull one out. Are you so squeamish that you won't open the gut to remove a stuck broadhead? It is not even the cost, I wouldn't/couldn't likely shoot a broadhead again if it was stuck hard enough in a bone that it couldn't be extricated.
Not legal to go totally gutless in AK and some other states, rib meat is rightly considered required salvage and from what I have found it is very debatable in WA though the language is not clear. I think all meat should be salvaged if possible even if it is not convenient or "you don't get much". A bit off topic but pertinent for the conversation.
Post by: DaveMonti on July 12, 2016, 07:14:07 PM
In my opinion this broadhead in the animal issue is being over thought.:yeah:
I'm with you two on this.
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 12, 2016, 07:30:10 PM
Another reason to not gut
That doesn't make any sense. Gutless or not, you still have to remove the meat. If the arrow is stuck in a shoulder, you still have to get the quarter off, and depending if you pack quarters or bone out, you're gonna have to deal with that broadhead. I'm having a hard time thinking of anywhere you could get a broadhead stuck that would be less hazardous gutless than it would be if you hung and quartered the animal, especially something in the lower spine while you're digging around to cut out the tenderloins.
if the broadhead is stuck, is it not inside he body cavity 95% of the time?
Post by: buglebrush on July 12, 2016, 10:37:46 PM
I salvage all the rib meat using the gutless method... :dunno:QuoteThe only thing you cannot salvage gutless is the organs...
And your $10 broadhead! :chuckle:
I guess the contingency could arise, but I've always just pulled mine out if they didn't pass through. ( Most pass through )
I just can't imagine myself ever gutting another animal in the back-country though. Probably would just abandon the Broadhead if it came to that. :chuckle:
Beyond the fact that I like to collect bullets and broad heads I have killed an animal with I don't see why you wouldn't pull one out. Are you so squeamish that you won't open the gut to remove a stuck broadhead? It is not even the cost, I wouldn't/couldn't likely shoot a broadhead again if it was stuck hard enough in a bone that it couldn't be extricated.
Not legal to go totally gutless in AK and some other states, rib meat is rightly considered required salvage and from what I have found it is very debatable in WA though the language is not clear. I think all meat should be salvaged if possible even if it is not convenient or "you don't get much". A bit off topic but pertinent for the conversation.
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 12, 2016, 10:39:28 PM
Post by: kentrek on July 12, 2016, 11:03:38 PM
Next time you get multiple elk take the time to do the different methods...it's fun to see the benefits of each method
Post by: j_h_nimrod on July 12, 2016, 11:13:34 PM
Post by: DaveMonti on July 12, 2016, 11:19:13 PM
Who really gives a crap how someone else handles a deer or elk once it's dead? If you do, don't you have anything else to focus your brain on? And no, "moral" arguments "protecting the sanctity of hunting" by being "responsible hunters" does not have any merit whatsoever in the gutless vs. gut discussion.
Post by: JLS on July 13, 2016, 05:46:58 AM
I guess you could cut the interstitial rib strips out without gutting but that seems like a lot of difficulty and perforated lungs with the distinct possibility of perforating the paunch as well just to say you use the gutless method.
You are completely overthinking this. You can fillet off all of the rib meat in just a few minutes time with no mess.