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Title: Arrow issues
Post by: ffbowhunter on July 17, 2016, 01:03:40 PM
Hey all I recently switched from Easton Fmj to Carbon Express maxima reds. I was going to buy more fmj's however, I was guided to the maxima reds.  My issue is two fold, I notice the maxima seems to have a significant drop at 50/60 yards and my groups are way off. I then shot my Fmj without issue. I am shooting a z7 extreme at 70#. Fmj is 340 with 125 tip and maxima is 350 with 125. Any thoughts before I sell these maxima's?
Title: Re: Arrow issues
Post by: jtan881 on July 17, 2016, 01:21:11 PM
Are they fletched any differently? Also, are there different types of inserts?
Title: Re: Arrow issues
Post by: Clearcut on July 17, 2016, 01:25:20 PM
Draw length?
Title: Re: Arrow issues
Post by: ffbowhunter on July 17, 2016, 01:26:37 PM
Are they fletched any differently? Also, are there different types of inserts?
Everything is out of the box for both.
Draw length?
Sorry 29"
Title: Re: Arrow issues
Post by: notsosneaky on July 17, 2016, 01:55:37 PM
I think you need a stiffer spine arrow, at 70#, 29"DL and 125gr heads your on the verge of going to 300s
Your fmjs are 11.3 gpi
The maximas are 9.07 gpi
try a 100gr head
Title: Re: Arrow issues
Post by: huntnfmly on July 17, 2016, 02:07:31 PM
No reason to sell maximas
 You just need to adjust bow.
 The reds only have 2 choices the 250s & 350a they cover all your different spines.
They fly different because they are totally different arrows.
The reds are great arrows
Title: Re: Arrow issues
Post by: bowNarrow on July 17, 2016, 02:29:21 PM
Your fmj arrows weigh quite abit more than the reds which would result in different points of impact
Title: Re: Arrow issues
Post by: ffbowhunter on July 17, 2016, 02:30:43 PM
I think you need a stiffer spine arrow, at 70#, 29"DL and 125gr heads your on the verge of going to 300s
Your fmjs are 11.3 gpi
The maximas are 9.07 gpi
try a 100gr head
Ok I guess it's a good excuse to buy some vipertricks!
No reason to sell maximas
 You just need to adjust bow.
 The reds only have 2 choices the 250s & 350a they cover all your different spines.
They fly different because they are totally different arrows.
The reds are great arrows
What adjustments should I make on my bow?
Title: Re: Arrow issues
Post by: notsosneaky on July 17, 2016, 02:47:36 PM
I think you need a stiffer spine arrow, at 70#, 29"DL and 125gr heads your on the verge of going to 300s
Your fmjs are 11.3 gpi
The maximas are 9.07 gpi
try a 100gr head
Ok I guess it's a good excuse to buy some vipertricks!
No reason to sell maximas
 You just need to adjust bow.
 The reds only have 2 choices the 250s & 350a they cover all your different spines.
They fly different because they are totally different arrows.
The reds are great arrows
What adjustments should I make on my bow?
Just realized the 100gr head will probably help your foc but you'll likely be below the 6grns per lb for legal hunting so you might also have to turn down your poundage.
Title: Re: Arrow issues
Post by: ffbowhunter on July 17, 2016, 02:58:24 PM
I think you need a stiffer spine arrow, at 70#, 29"DL and 125gr heads your on the verge of going to 300s
Your fmjs are 11.3 gpi
The maximas are 9.07 gpi
try a 100gr head
Ok I guess it's a good excuse to buy some vipertricks!
No reason to sell maximas
 You just need to adjust bow.
 The reds only have 2 choices the 250s & 350a they cover all your different spines.
They fly different because they are totally different arrows.
The reds are great arrows
What adjustments should I make on my bow?
Just realized the 100gr head will probably help your foc but you'll likely be below the 6grns per lb for legal hunting so you might also have to turn down your poundage.
Thanks I'll give it a try.
Title: Re: Arrow issues
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on July 17, 2016, 03:10:07 PM
I would think your FOC would decrease with the drop in point weight, but stiffening the spine may cure the problem. Its odd that the lighter arrow is dropping more.
Title: Re: Arrow issues
Post by: huntnfmly on July 17, 2016, 03:13:25 PM
Adjust sight.
And yes you will be too light for legal weight at 70#
Title: Re: Arrow issues
Post by: highside74 on July 17, 2016, 03:27:01 PM
Drop to 65# and change to a 100 gr head and you should be ready to rock with your maxima red. Your z7 will still be plenty fast and pack a punch at 65#. And when it's cold and your adrenaline is pumping that 5# less will be easier to pull back smoothly. Good luck
Title: Re: Arrow issues
Post by: ffbowhunter on July 17, 2016, 03:40:48 PM
Thanks for all the advice, I got to get her dialed in for Utah in a month.
Title: Re: Arrow issues
Post by: JKEEN33 on July 17, 2016, 03:41:06 PM
You definitely need new arrows and should sell the reds to me at a drastically reduced price.
Title: Re: Arrow issues
Post by: ffbowhunter on July 17, 2016, 03:48:48 PM
You definitely need new arrows and should sell the reds to me at a drastically reduced price.
You caught me on the right day I guess  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Arrow issues
Post by: Jason on July 17, 2016, 03:56:55 PM
Sell the Maximas and go back to FMJ's, better arrow IMO.
Title: Re: Arrow issues
Post by: highside74 on July 17, 2016, 04:20:10 PM
Not to thread jack but I have 7 29in maxima red finished weight of 308 without tip. If anyone wants them, best offer over $40 can have them.
Title: Re: Arrow issues
Post by: ffbowhunter on July 17, 2016, 04:32:37 PM
Not to thread jack but I have 7 29in maxima red finished weight of 308 without tip. If anyone wants them, best offer over $40 can have them.
JKEEN33 there you go brother!
Title: Re: Arrow issues
Post by: JKEEN33 on July 17, 2016, 04:58:10 PM
Not to thread jack but I have 7 29in maxima red finished weight of 308 without tip. If anyone wants them, best offer over $40 can have them.
JKEEN33 there you go brother!

Good price and right length, but these are not Red's.

I think if you do some tuning you are going to like the Red's. I switched over last year and after getting them tuned to my bow, I really like them. Only thing I don't like is they seem to be fairly brittle and easy to break and fletching them is a pain. Only glue I can get to hold is AAE Max Bond. 
Title: Re: Arrow issues
Post by: highside74 on July 17, 2016, 05:08:54 PM
Oops my bad your right not reds. Lol  :sry:
Title: Re: Arrow issues
Post by: notsosneaky on July 17, 2016, 06:50:29 PM
I would think your FOC would decrease with the drop in point weight, but stiffening the spine may cure the problem. Its odd that the lighter arrow is dropping more.
Yup lighter arrow has a higher foc, which can cause a drop at distance.
Title: Re: Arrow issues
Post by: stickslinger on July 17, 2016, 07:33:14 PM
Do the fmj's and the reds have the same diameter,  if they are larger diameter than u will need to adjust your rest down
Title: Re: Arrow issues
Post by: ffbowhunter on July 17, 2016, 07:52:55 PM
Do the fmj's and the reds have the same diameter,  if they are larger diameter than u will need to adjust your rest down
Reds are larger.
Title: Re: Arrow issues
Post by: bowtechian on July 22, 2016, 01:01:32 AM

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Title: Re: Arrow issues
Post by: demontang on July 22, 2016, 01:52:03 PM
The dia of the arrows being diff can cause poi to change move the rest for the bigger dia reds :tup:
Title: Re: Arrow issues
Post by: D-Rock425 on July 22, 2016, 02:15:27 PM
Carbon express  :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
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