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Post by: ELKBURGER on August 02, 2016, 08:25:16 AM
I called WDFW this afternoon hoping to get to the bottom of this. The lady I spoke with told me she was informed this morning that there has yet to be a decision on the leftover multi season tags. The advice she was told to give to folks like us wondering was to keep checking their website for updates and make sure you have your email entered in online with your WILD ID account. There should be a decision by the end of the week.Thanks for the update! :tup:
Post by: kodiak 907 on August 02, 2016, 09:17:52 AM
They're just putting a feeler out to see if it's worth their time to offer them OTC.
Post by: fishnfur on August 02, 2016, 03:32:15 PM
What really raises my eyebrows about the whole thing is that I cannot figure out how the applicants for this tag went from 8,500 two years ago (and before) to 13,000 plus for the last two years. It makes little sense when hunter numbers keep declining and harvest rates have remained similar from year to year. :dunno:
Post by: Elmer Fletch on August 02, 2016, 04:09:18 PM
I don't think that's it. They make $160ish bucks for each MS tag they sell - and they have little/no time invested to put them out there for sale. IMO They will sell every one of those tags if they possibly can; money is money and people are willing to buy the tags. The only way I see them not being available is if there are ten (or very few) available, in which case, they'd create negative feelings in their patrons by raising hopes for available tags, then getting sold out in the first 20 seconds.The number of applicants will keep growing every year. The odds for getting drawn are pretty good, and majority of deer hunters would like longer season and more opportunities to get out and hunt. With our busy lifes, work and family, couple extra hunting weekends would not hurt.
What really raises my eyebrows about the whole thing is that I cannot figure out how the applicants for this tag went from 8,500 two years ago (and before) to 13,000 plus for the last two years. It makes little sense when hunter numbers keep declining and harvest rates have remained similar from year to year. :dunno:
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Post by: Duckslayer89 on August 03, 2016, 06:14:17 AM
I don't think that's it. They make $160ish bucks for each MS tag they sell - and they have little/no time invested to put them out there for sale. IMO They will sell every one of those tags if they possibly can; money is money and people are willing to buy the tags. The only way I see them not being available is if there are ten (or very few) available, in which case, they'd create negative feelings in their patrons by raising hopes for available tags, then getting sold out in the first 20 seconds.
What really raises my eyebrows about the whole thing is that I cannot figure out how the applicants for this tag went from 8,500 two years ago (and before) to 13,000 plus for the last two years. It makes little sense when hunter numbers keep declining and harvest rates have remained similar from year to year. :dunno:
Solution: Make everyone pay up when they apply, then if they don't draw they get a refund. You can't apply for special permit hunts without buying the tag first why should this be different?!
Post by: headshot5 on August 03, 2016, 06:49:35 AM
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Solution: Make everyone pay up when they apply, then if they don't draw they get a refund. You can't apply for special permit hunts without buying the tag first why should this be different?!
They can't even run a draw correctly what's the chances that they can refund money correctly... Sounds like a nightmare.
Post by: Bigbuckoholic on August 05, 2016, 05:48:52 AM
Post by: TriggerMike on August 05, 2016, 09:30:29 AM
Any update on this? Still haven't heard anything
I talked to the WDFW yesterday. They will send out the info next week, around mid-week, on how many tags are left and when/where/how you can get them.
Post by: shadowless_nite on August 05, 2016, 09:45:59 AM
Any update on this? Still haeven't heard anything
Last year they sent a email out a little over a week from when they were going to be on sale, notifying of how many of each tag are available and what not about it. I'm assuming the same will be done this year. And I have yet to receive a email so still waiting. Hopefully it's soon.
Post by: Bob33 on August 05, 2016, 10:04:10 AM
Post by: Igottanewknee on August 05, 2016, 10:37:45 AM
Post by: shanevg on August 05, 2016, 10:48:21 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on August 05, 2016, 11:11:37 AM
A good friend of mine texted me yesterday that he was awarded a multi-season elk permit on a second draw. :dunno:I am sure that saves them a bunch of hassle at the stores.
Post by: Bigbuckoholic on August 05, 2016, 11:34:56 AM
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Post by: Bob33 on August 08, 2016, 11:01:21 AM
A good friend of mine texted me yesterday that he was awarded a multi-season elk permit on a second draw. :dunno:Mystery solved. Hunter Education instructors can apply for a separate pool of multi-season permits. They had a few unclaimed ones and he was offered one of them.
Post by: Igottanewknee on August 08, 2016, 02:28:20 PM
Post by: kirkl on August 08, 2016, 02:34:50 PM
Seems a bit unfair..... Just my opinion....
Become an instructor then maybe you can get one!
Post by: Igottanewknee on August 08, 2016, 03:21:31 PM
Seems a bit unfair..... Just my opinion....
Become an instructor then maybe you can get one!
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How many "openings", for lack of a better word, are there Vs number of hunters? Still think it's a little unfair...
Post by: Ghost Hunter on August 08, 2016, 03:45:30 PM
Post by: haus on August 08, 2016, 03:48:20 PM
Seems a bit unfair..... Just my opinion....Should probably call Bernie then...
Post by: fishnfur on August 09, 2016, 09:33:15 AM
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Post by: headshot5 on August 09, 2016, 11:16:14 AM
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Maybe they're debating whether the deer population can handle the pressure of the 3,000 multi-season tags. They already had to eliminate some of the doe seasons in the NE part of the state. Maybe they're willing forego the $420,000 and save some deer for next year.
Thanks for the laugh bobcat. :chuckle:
Post by: haus on August 09, 2016, 01:00:11 PM
Sure wish they'd hurry up and make a decision. The only reason I can think of for it taking so long is if the leftover sale option they tried last year was a disaster somehow. I didn't hear any complaints about it but I can't think of any other reason for the delay on this.Which is odd because Colorado pulls off the whole left over tag first come first serve deal without a hitch.
Post by: buglebrush on August 09, 2016, 02:26:20 PM
Post by: Igottanewknee on August 09, 2016, 02:31:48 PM
Hopefully they are considering a pre-pay second drawing for unsuccessful applicants only. That way those who have to work, and can't stand in line all morning on a weekday would have equal opportunity.Watch out! Words like that might have someone telling you to call Bernie!!!
Post by: Bonehuntn on August 09, 2016, 03:19:10 PM
Post by: buglebrush on August 09, 2016, 04:33:22 PM
I would call Bernie if it would land me a multi-season elk tag :chuckle:Hopefully they are considering a pre-pay second drawing for unsuccessful applicants only. That way those who have to work, and can't stand in line all morning on a weekday would have equal opportunity.Watch out! Words like that might have someone telling you to call Bernie!!!
Post by: fishnfur on August 09, 2016, 09:48:46 PM
So any word on when we should find out? Hopefully this week?
Nope. No commitment whatsoever from "Dave". I'm betting on next week at the earliest.
Post by: Ghost Hunter on August 10, 2016, 03:46:34 AM
:tup: If that's the case I may still have a chance for an elk tag. :dunno: :chuckle:So any word on when we should find out? Hopefully this week?
Nope. No commitment whatsoever from "Dave". I'm betting on next week at the earliest.
Post by: Bob33 on August 10, 2016, 06:35:15 AM
It will be announced this week.So any word on when we should find out? Hopefully this week?
Nope. No commitment whatsoever from "Dave". I'm betting on next week at the earliest.
Post by: Bob33 on August 11, 2016, 02:02:24 PM
Even though you weren't drawn for a Deer or Elk Multi-Season Permit you have another opportunity. Applicants who purchased a Multi-Season Application and applied for the drawing, but were not selected, will have a chance to purchase a permit on August 16, 2016 at 10:30 a.m.It will be announced this week.So any word on when we should find out? Hopefully this week?
Nope. No commitment whatsoever from "Dave". I'm betting on next week at the earliest.
Multi-Season Deer or Elk Permits will only be available for purchase at an authorized WDFW License Dealer or WDFW Regional Offices No online sales will be provided.
Applicants will not lose points for purchasing a Multi-Season Deer or Elk Permit. If you put in for the points only option, you are not eligible to purchase at this time.
Multi-Season Elk Permits are expected to sell out in 30 seconds. It is likely that only one in every 20 license vendors will be able to complete a transaction for the Multi-Season Elk Permit. Make sure you purchase your General Deer or Elk License before you purchase a Multi-Season Permit.
Multi-Season Elk Permits will be on sale starting at 10:30 a.m. on August 16. Customers will only be able to purchase a Multi-Season Elk Permit at that time. Two minutes later, at 10:32 a.m., deer permits will become available for purchase. If you are planning on purchasing both permits, you will have to do so in two separate transactions.
You must surrender your General Deer or Elk Tag at the time of purchase. There are no exceptions. You will not be able to mail in your General Deer or Elk Tags at a later date.
On August 16th your General Season Deer Tag will not need to be voided at the time of your purchase. On August 17th you or the license dealer will need to contact the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife Headquarters at (360) 902-2464 to have your General Season Deer Tag voided at the time of your Multi-Season Deer Permit purchase.
Post by: trophyhunt on August 11, 2016, 02:05:16 PM
Post by: grundy53 on August 11, 2016, 02:16:17 PM
Smart of them to not sell multi deer till two minutes later, dill weeds bought deer last year at noon and ruined it for the guy behind them trying to get an elk tag.Agreed. Got to give the game department props for a little foresight.
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Post by: D-Rock425 on August 11, 2016, 02:21:19 PM
Post by: mikeybuck on August 11, 2016, 02:25:59 PM
Post by: PA BEN on August 11, 2016, 02:31:30 PM
Smart of them to not sell multi deer till two minutes later, dill weeds bought deer last year at noon and ruined it for the guy behind them trying to get an elk tag.wow like the guy really wanted to screw someone out of a tag. What a dill weed thing to say.
Post by: wazzu99 on August 11, 2016, 02:42:16 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on August 11, 2016, 02:45:05 PM
How are there 201 leftover elk tags and I didn't draw one?it's 201 people didn't purchase the tag after it was drawn.
Post by: wazzu99 on August 11, 2016, 02:49:50 PM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on August 11, 2016, 03:00:41 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on August 11, 2016, 03:31:58 PM
my cousin was behind the guy, and my cousin was 2nd or 3rd in line, didn't get his multi elk because some dill weed just had to buy his deer permit while the rest of the state was waiting in line for the elk. He just couldn't wait 5 minutes to get a permit that never sells out, that's just stupid. And just like this year, we know there is no reason to hurry for the deer tag.Smart of them to not sell multi deer till two minutes later, dill weeds bought deer last year at noon and ruined it for the guy behind them trying to get an elk tag.wow like the guy really wanted to screw someone out of a tag. What a dill weed thing to say.
Post by: Bob33 on August 11, 2016, 03:38:13 PM
that is what I figured, just seems like a lot of peopleThe deadline to purchase and submit a multi-season permit application is March 31. The normal permit drawings occur in May and results are available in June. If you applied for and drew a Quality (or other) permit in the normal drawing, the multi-season permit would be of limited value to most hunters since their time and resources would be focused on the quality hunt opportunity.
Some successful applicants are drawn for permits in other states, or have a career change that doesn't allow them as much time to hunt, or have a health issue come up that restricts their hunting, or move, or have a change in their financial status, or simply decide that spending $180 isn't worth it.
Post by: fishnfur on August 11, 2016, 03:38:48 PM
It will be announced this week.So any word on when we should find out? Hopefully this week?
Nope. No commitment whatsoever from "Dave". I'm betting on next week at the earliest.
Go ahead. Rub it in my face! Sheesh!
Post by: TriggerMike on August 11, 2016, 04:36:32 PM
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Post by: Bob33 on August 11, 2016, 06:08:22 PM
Can these be purchased from home online ? is that a possibility ? I already have my deer but an elk would be nice lol .No.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on August 11, 2016, 07:13:50 PM
Can these be purchased from home online ? is that a possibility ? I already have my deer but an elk would be nice lol .I don't think so. The vendor has to physically take your elk tag from you before WDFW lets them print out the ms tag (my understanding). There is the case where you could buy an elk license and not declare your tag until later, but I don't know if that allows you to apply for ms in the first place. If you could, then in theory you could buy the ms online.
Post by: Bob33 on August 11, 2016, 07:19:52 PM
They cannot be purchased online.Can these be purchased from home online ? is that a possibility ? I already have my deer but an elk would be nice lol .I don't think so. The vendor has to physically take your elk tag from you before WDFW lets them print out the ms tag (my understanding). There is the case where you could buy an elk license and not declare your tag until later, but I don't know if that allows you to apply for ms in the first place. If you could, then in theory you could buy the ms online.
Post by: PA BEN on August 11, 2016, 07:35:53 PM
Yep, that's why we live in a free country. First come first serve.my cousin was behind the guy, and my cousin was 2nd or 3rd in line, didn't get his multi elk because some dill weed just had to buy his deer permit while the rest of the state was waiting in line for the elk. He just couldn't wait 5 minutes to get a permit that never sells out, that's just stupid. And just like this year, we know there is no reason to hurry for the deer tag.Smart of them to not sell multi deer till two minutes later, dill weeds bought deer last year at noon and ruined it for the guy behind them trying to get an elk tag.wow like the guy really wanted to screw someone out of a tag. What a dill weed thing to say.
Post by: Duckslayer89 on August 11, 2016, 09:35:37 PM
Yep, that's why we live in a free country. First come first serve.my cousin was behind the guy, and my cousin was 2nd or 3rd in line, didn't get his multi elk because some dill weed just had to buy his deer permit while the rest of the state was waiting in line for the elk. He just couldn't wait 5 minutes to get a permit that never sells out, that's just stupid. And just like this year, we know there is no reason to hurry for the deer tag.Smart of them to not sell multi deer till two minutes later, dill weeds bought deer last year at noon and ruined it for the guy behind them trying to get an elk tag.wow like the guy really wanted to screw someone out of a tag. What a dill weed thing to say.
How is that guy the dill weed he was before his cousin? Last year was the first year they offered it OTC so all the deer guys didn't know what was going to happen. :cryriver:
Post by: fishnfur on August 12, 2016, 12:14:57 AM
Does anyone know how many people applied for the deer permit this year?
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I think the number was over 13K, but don't quote me on that.
Post by: haus on August 12, 2016, 03:47:27 AM
Great, that's just great. Kinda bs. No chance for a working class man to have a chance at a tag now.Woahhh now, not all of us working class men are on the monday-friday schedule :P
Post by: haus on August 12, 2016, 03:49:10 AM
And Bernie didn't get involved ... :dunno:... Yep, seems fair to me... :chuckle:It's still gonna be huuuugggeee!
Post by: Kpem on August 15, 2016, 11:08:24 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on August 15, 2016, 11:24:05 AM
Post by: lamrith on August 15, 2016, 12:08:31 PM
So Elk tags will be gone instantly. However, with that many multi deer permits available will the remaining available be open to purchase for general population that DID NOT apply for a multi in the drawing?They were last year I thought? I do know there were tags still available Early Dec last year I just do not know if they were general public or only those that had applied.
Post by: haus on August 15, 2016, 08:04:30 PM
Post by: Bow tech hunter on August 15, 2016, 08:12:20 PM
I know at any other time you can purchase licenses for someone else. Does that still apply in this case or does it have to be your own specifically?
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My wife's great great grandma buys my wife's uncles hunting licenses every Christmas for him he only hunts rifles so great great grandma buys his tags every year and wraps it up in a lil box and my coworker found out that someone else can go stand in line for his tag so he is sending his daughter with his general elk tag and hopping to get the multie elk
Post by: ELKBURGER on August 16, 2016, 06:02:46 AM
I know at any other time you can purchase licenses for someone else. Does that still apply in this case or does it have to be your own specifically?The persons elk tag will need to be surrendered on the spot at time of purchase.
Post by: trophyhunt on August 16, 2016, 06:08:14 AM
Post by: buckhorn2 on August 16, 2016, 08:48:30 AM
Post by: Mfowl on August 16, 2016, 09:04:54 AM
How do you surrender a license if you put in for multi season on your computer.
If you were drawn for an MS tag then you should have purchased it by 7/31. If you purchased a weapon specific tag to apply for special permits that tag must be surrendered if/when you purchase a leftover MS tag. If you haven't purchased a tag at all then you can simply purchase a leftover MS tag while quantities last.
Post by: erk444 on August 16, 2016, 09:22:47 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on August 16, 2016, 09:28:07 AM
Can I buy the multi elk if I didnt put in for it during the draw?I do not believe so.
Post by: trophyhunt on August 16, 2016, 11:17:42 AM
Post by: snowshoes22 on August 16, 2016, 11:20:01 AM
Post by: Kpem on August 16, 2016, 11:25:06 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on August 16, 2016, 11:26:21 AM
Elk or deer?elk!
Post by: trophyhunt on August 16, 2016, 11:27:49 AM
Post by: fishnfur on August 16, 2016, 11:29:36 AM
Got my MS deer!!! Didn't want or apply for elk.
Post by: ELKBURGER on August 16, 2016, 11:34:15 AM
Post by: buglebrush on August 16, 2016, 11:43:57 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on August 16, 2016, 11:45:07 AM
I was the only one in line at a walmart and within seconds the elk were gone... the cashier was able to click on multi elk and hit yes and the screen went blank. He called support and they confirmed they sold out in seconds. Good news is I save 182 bucks!yes, seconds! The girl I was with was on the ball, had my info in before 10:30 and hit go right at 10:30:01 seconds. Got lucky for sure
Post by: redi on August 16, 2016, 11:46:24 AM
Post by: snowshoes22 on August 16, 2016, 11:47:03 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on August 16, 2016, 11:47:49 AM
I was first in line and I got a multi season elk tag for my son. He is excited to bowhunt.:tup: congrats!
Post by: Bigbuckoholic on August 16, 2016, 11:49:55 AM
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Post by: JimmyHoffa on August 16, 2016, 12:09:35 PM
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Post by: JimmyHoffa on August 16, 2016, 12:39:49 PM
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Post by: trophyhunt on August 16, 2016, 12:53:34 PM
I believe the deer will be no problem to get. I just got home with mine. Went to get my dads MS elk this morning and there was a line before opening. Aparently the first guy in line got his tag, but had been at the store since 11:00 PM last night.talked to the guy behind me and his buddy was 2nd in line at 11:30 last night in enumclaw at work sports. Don't think he got one, that sucks.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on August 16, 2016, 12:55:32 PM
I stayed at work and saved my money for Idaho next year. I hear that they give you a multi season without a permit.....
No it's a or b tag. But for deer yes. I'm leaving in less than two weeks f Washington!!!!
Post by: Dhoey07 on August 16, 2016, 01:00:15 PM
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Post by: trophyhunt on August 16, 2016, 01:29:01 PM
I got my tag but my brother forgot to buy a mutli-season app this year and they gave them a hard time at Fred Meyers saying he wasn't allowed to buy leftover tags. I can't find anything on WDFW's website or on the email from WDFW saying that you needed to have applied in order to be eligible to buy the tag. Anyone know any info?yes, you had to have applied, it was in the email they sent out.
Post by: lastmk8 on August 16, 2016, 01:34:07 PM
I got my tag but my brother forgot to buy a mutli-season app this year and they gave them a hard time at Fred Meyers saying he wasn't allowed to buy leftover tags. I can't find anything on WDFW's website or on the email from WDFW saying that you needed to have applied in order to be eligible to buy the tag. Anyone know any info?
Agree with Trophyhunt on this one, it was clearly outlined in the email that was sent out. Being he didn't apply for one, he might not have received that email. Additionally, it wouldn't be right for someone to buy an extra/left over multi-season license if they didn't first hand over the $6.50 in the first place for the original drawing. If you could do that I might start saving my $6.50 and just wait for the extras to go on sale. Two years in a row I've got it that way.
Post by: trophyhunt on August 16, 2016, 01:40:45 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on August 16, 2016, 01:46:30 PM
Best part is, we don't lose our points for the multi draw next year!! I will have 6You could end up with 8 if they send you a letter saying you got drawn even though you didn't but then stood in line to get it. :chuckle:
Post by: Bob33 on August 16, 2016, 01:47:39 PM
I got my tag but my brother forgot to buy a mutli-season app this year and they gave them a hard time at Fred Meyers saying he wasn't allowed to buy leftover tags. I can't find anything on WDFW's website or on the email from WDFW saying that you needed to have applied in order to be eligible to buy the tag. Anyone know any info?"Even though you weren't drawn for a Deer or Elk Multi-Season Permit you have another opportunity. Applicants who purchased a Multi-Season Application and applied for the drawing, but were not selected, will have a chance to purchase a permit on August 16, 2016 at 10:30 a.m."
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Post by: fishnfur on August 16, 2016, 03:32:22 PM
I believe the deer will be no problem to get. I just got home with mine. Went to get my dads MS elk this morning and there was a line before opening. Aparently the first guy in line got his tag, but had been at the store since 11:00 PM last night.
That seems a bit ludicrous. There are sporting goods stores that sell licenses everywhere. You just have to be smart enough to get out of the city to get away from the competition. No one at my Walmart - I could have easily scored the elk tag if I wanted one. There were probably less than 30 people in the entire store. I had to go find a clerk to work the sporting goods desk and I waited until 10:30 til I went to look for him because I didn't want him to have to stand there and wait until 10:32 to log in to WDFW.
Post by: JKEEN33 on August 16, 2016, 03:49:33 PM
I believe the deer will be no problem to get. I just got home with mine. Went to get my dads MS elk this morning and there was a line before opening. Aparently the first guy in line got his tag, but had been at the store since 11:00 PM last night.
That seems a bit ludicrous. There are sporting goods stores that sell licenses everywhere. You just have to be smart enough to get out of the city to get away from the competition. No one at my Walmart - I could have easily scored the elk tag if I wanted one. There were probably less than 30 people in the entire store. I had to go find a clerk to work the sporting goods desk and I waited until 10:30 til I went to look for him because I didn't want him to have to stand there and wait until 10:32 to log in to WDFW.
Agreed it is crazy. I didn't stay. Went back at 11:00 and bought the deer when there was no line.
Post by: mikeybuck on August 16, 2016, 04:45:36 PM
Post by: Bigbuckoholic on August 16, 2016, 05:39:07 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on August 16, 2016, 06:10:06 PM
I believe the deer will be no problem to get. I just got home with mine. Went to get my dads MS elk this morning and there was a line before opening. Aparently the first guy in line got his tag, but had been at the store since 11:00 PM last night.
That seems a bit ludicrous. There are sporting goods stores that sell licenses everywhere. You just have to be smart enough to get out of the city to get away from the competition. No one at my Walmart - I could have easily scored the elk tag if I wanted one. There were probably less than 30 people in the entire store. I had to go find a clerk to work the sporting goods desk and I waited until 10:30 til I went to look for him because I didn't want him to have to stand there and wait until 10:32 to log in to WDFW.
???? Elk Tags sold out in first minute - only 1 in 20 stores were able to make a sale......Even if you had got clerk to log on at 10:30:00 you only had a 1 in 20 chance..
Post by: kirkl on August 17, 2016, 07:32:52 AM
I believe the deer will be no problem to get. I just got home with mine. Went to get my dads MS elk this morning and there was a line before opening. Aparently the first guy in line got his tag, but had been at the store since 11:00 PM last night.
No you couldn't have easily scored one, systems were slow and a buddy of mine who was first in line didn't get an elk tag and he said the lady was quick about getting his stuff scanned in. First in line doesn't mean squat.
That seems a bit ludicrous. There are sporting goods stores that sell licenses everywhere. You just have to be smart enough to get out of the city to get away from the competition. No one at my Walmart - I could have easily scored the elk tag if I wanted one. There were probably less than 30 people in the entire store. I had to go find a clerk to work the sporting goods desk and I waited until 10:30 til I went to look for him because I didn't want him to have to stand there and wait until 10:32 to log in to WDFW.
Post by: trophyhunt on August 17, 2016, 09:24:22 AM
Post by: haus on August 17, 2016, 10:10:59 AM
Still 2,500 deer tags left.Where do you get that data?
Post by: trophyhunt on August 17, 2016, 10:28:52 AM
from a lady that works at the Wdfw.Still 2,500 deer tags left.Where do you get that data?
Post by: Bob33 on August 17, 2016, 12:46:48 PM
Let's see: elk sell out in 30 seconds at $180, and deer never sell out at $140. Do we have any economists in the room?from a lady that works at the Wdfw.Still 2,500 deer tags left.Where do you get that data?
Post by: pd on August 17, 2016, 12:58:26 PM
Let's see: elk sell out in 30 seconds at $180, and deer never sell out at $140. Do we have any economists in the room?
Yes, we do. But the more important question is this: "Are there any economists at WDFW?"
Post by: RadSav on August 17, 2016, 01:35:42 PM
Elk Tags sold out in first minute - only 1 in 20 stores were able to make a sale......Even if you had got clerk to log on at 10:30:00 you only had a 1 in 20 chance..
Those were better odds than a WDFW draw. But it didn't help my luck. No elk season for me. First time in 35 years.
That's what I get for thinking my points and Lorraine's good luck would change my annual outcome. :bash: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Jonathan_S on August 17, 2016, 01:41:00 PM
Elk Tags sold out in first minute - only 1 in 20 stores were able to make a sale......Even if you had got clerk to log on at 10:30:00 you only had a 1 in 20 chance..
Those were better odds than a WDFW draw. But it didn't help my luck. No elk season for me. First time in 35 years.
That's what I get for thinking my points and Lorraine's good luck would change my annual outcome. :bash: :chuckle: :chuckle:
No elk?! Well I hope you get a monster blacktail then.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on August 17, 2016, 01:41:39 PM
Post by: johnnyaustin44 on August 17, 2016, 01:45:29 PM
I got my tag but my brother forgot to buy a mutli-season app this year and they gave them a hard time at Fred Meyers saying he wasn't allowed to buy leftover tags. I can't find anything on WDFW's website or on the email from WDFW saying that you needed to have applied in order to be eligible to buy the tag. Anyone know any info?Two of my buddies were able to purchase a deer ms. I didn't think they could but they both got em and I know they didn't put in for the drawing.
Post by: PA BEN on August 17, 2016, 08:05:23 PM
Will they lied because right on the screen before you are issued your tag asks you if you put in for the draw yes or no. It said you can not buy the tag unless you put in for it. They falsifted a government form.I got my tag but my brother forgot to buy a mutli-season app this year and they gave them a hard time at Fred Meyers saying he wasn't allowed to buy leftover tags. I can't find anything on WDFW's website or on the email from WDFW saying that you needed to have applied in order to be eligible to buy the tag. Anyone know any info?Two of my buddies were able to purchase a deer ms. I didn't think they could but they both got em and I know they didn't put in for the drawing.
Post by: Nmesub on August 17, 2016, 08:29:11 PM
erm...why does a multiseason tag determine if you gave an elk seasonElk Tags sold out in first minute - only 1 in 20 stores were able to make a sale......Even if you had got clerk to log on at 10:30:00 you only had a 1 in 20 chance..
Those were better odds than a WDFW draw. But it didn't help my luck. No elk season for me. First time in 35 years.
That's what I get for thinking my points and Lorraine's good luck would change my annual outcome. :bash: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: PA BEN on August 17, 2016, 08:44:50 PM
Post by: bobcat on August 17, 2016, 09:33:16 PM
erm...why does a multiseason tag determine if you gave an elk seasonElk Tags sold out in first minute - only 1 in 20 stores were able to make a sale......Even if you had got clerk to log on at 10:30:00 you only had a 1 in 20 chance..
Those were better odds than a WDFW draw. But it didn't help my luck. No elk season for me. First time in 35 years.
That's what I get for thinking my points and Lorraine's good luck would change my annual outcome. :bash: :chuckle: :chuckle:
I would guess he bought an eastside elk tag to apply for special permits, didn't draw, and now with no multi-season tag cannot hunt elk at all on the westside, and can only hunt spikes on the eastside.
Post by: RadSav on August 18, 2016, 02:52:01 AM
erm...why does a multiseason tag determine if you gave an elk seasonElk Tags sold out in first minute - only 1 in 20 stores were able to make a sale......Even if you had got clerk to log on at 10:30:00 you only had a 1 in 20 chance..
Those were better odds than a WDFW draw. But it didn't help my luck. No elk season for me. First time in 35 years.
That's what I get for thinking my points and Lorraine's good luck would change my annual outcome. :bash: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Bobcat is right. Tried to use my points to help the wife get an eastside bull tag with her multi-season elk. She is definitely not going to waste her multi-elk on an eastside cow so we will be on the wetside where I can not hunt elk.
We knew the risk when we applied. But I had high hopes I could find a clerk fast enough to get a multi-leftover.
As a consolation prize she is letting me have early archery deer to myself. That will be the first time in 25 years. So that is exciting! I'm still trying to decide where I am going to spend my good fortune :chuckle:
Post by: Apples on August 18, 2016, 11:21:06 AM
Post by: CJ1962 on August 18, 2016, 04:58:17 PM
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Post by: Rainier10 on August 18, 2016, 05:03:46 PM
Post by: crowinghen on August 18, 2016, 06:11:25 PM
I just tried to buy the deer and told they were sold out. I asked them to call the state and they did and confirmed they were sold out.wow I am surprised about that --sorry!
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I just bought Hubby's today- we figured with Hancock being closed we should have that extra hunting time..
Post by: Duckslayer89 on August 18, 2016, 06:17:57 PM
I just tried to buy the deer and told they were sold out. I asked them to call the state and they did and confirmed they were sold out.wow I am surprised about that --sorry!
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I just bought Hubby's today- we figured with Hancock being closed we should have that extra hunting time..
I don't think it will be closed for to long. Hopefully not!
Post by: GrampasGuns on August 18, 2016, 08:38:24 PM
Post by: pd on August 18, 2016, 10:03:01 PM
Deer Multis are sold out?!!!! GD it!!! I had to wait till tomorrow (payday) to get one....if even 1 person who didnt apply got a multi tag I will throw a fit!
I really, really doubt this (no offense to the previous posters). Please confirm it tomorrow.
Post by: crowinghen on August 18, 2016, 10:14:57 PM
Deer Multis are sold out?!!!! GD it!!! I had to wait till tomorrow (payday) to get one....if even 1 person who didnt apply got a multi tag I will throw a fit!
I really, really doubt this (no offense to the previous posters). Please confirm it tomorrow.
That's what I was thinking-- maybe they asked about elk tags instead? :dunno:
Post by: High Climber on August 18, 2016, 10:18:58 PM
Post by: grundy53 on August 18, 2016, 10:40:14 PM
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Post by: CJ1962 on August 19, 2016, 07:38:35 AM
Like I said I would be happy to be wrong.
Post by: GrampasGuns on August 19, 2016, 10:09:01 AM
I really hope I am wrong. But I specifically asked for deer. I could see on the screen that there was no option to pick the multi season deer. She said it looks like they are sold out. I said no way. She said she could call the state and I said please do. I specifically heard her ask if the deer multi season tags were sold out.Did you apply for the multi tag? I just spoke to Tony at wdfw licensing office and there are tons of deer tags left. Just a reminder, only those who applied and were not drawn are eligible
Like I said I would be happy to be wrong.
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Post by: CJ1962 on August 19, 2016, 10:23:36 AM
Post by: wastickslinger on August 19, 2016, 11:45:50 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on August 19, 2016, 11:58:43 AM
has anyone been able to buy one that did not apply? Seems like a lot of left overs but you had to apply. Wonder when they will just open it up like the last few years and sell a few more.I would guess they will in a couple years, but my guess is they will add on the $6.50 or whatever it was for the people that didn't apply during the draw and just want to buy leftovers.
Post by: snowshoes22 on August 19, 2016, 12:00:52 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on August 19, 2016, 12:06:27 PM
I tried but it said "removed from cart for a rule violation." Wouldn't let me purchase.Assume you had a deer tag already, sounds like the vendor didn't take your tag and call WDFW? That clears out the tag you have in the system to allow you to buy a MS.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on August 19, 2016, 01:02:38 PM
Post by: Kpem on August 22, 2016, 11:29:50 AM
Idk about them still being available but I'm still kicking it around
Post by: snowshoes22 on August 22, 2016, 11:59:12 AM
Post by: johnnyaustin44 on August 22, 2016, 02:26:57 PM
Post by: CJ1962 on August 23, 2016, 08:47:17 AM
Post by: wastickslinger on August 23, 2016, 10:49:19 AM
Post by: fishnfur on August 23, 2016, 11:29:17 AM
Post by: lastmk8 on August 23, 2016, 11:39:41 AM
Post by: Bob33 on August 23, 2016, 11:43:51 AM
Now they have 2,000 leftovers? :dunno:
Post by: Rainier10 on August 23, 2016, 11:53:07 AM
Post by: pd on August 23, 2016, 12:00:49 PM
This is all very odd. A few years ago, they never sold as many applications as there were permits. Then last year they had 13,000+ applications for 8,500 permits. That was the first year I can recall that drawing wasn't 100%. The unclaimed leftover permits went on sale, and all sold.
Now they have 2,000 leftovers? :dunno:
Yep.
They have over 2,000 permits unsold, with now just one week left before the season begins (and, the end of the sale period). And what do they do? They limit the sale to those who originally applied for the permit, but not to the rest of the public.
Let's see if I get this straight. You are selling an item for $139, you have sold about 6,500 of them (total 8,500 originally offered), you have 2,000 leftover in inventory, the goods will become unsellable in one week. What should you do? Hmmm. How about lower the price? Or, open the sale to anybody who wants them. Or, make it easy to purchase them outside government employee business hours. Perhaps allow 24 purchases. Perhaps allow purchase over the Internet.
Or, you could just do nothing, and miss out on 2,000 x $139 = $278,000 in extra revenue for the state. Gosh, this is such a hard decision, what to do? My head hurts, I think I will go home early today.
Post by: bobcat on August 23, 2016, 12:17:55 PM
Post by: Bob33 on August 23, 2016, 12:23:54 PM
My guess is that even with the increase in applications they are having troubles selling them now because you can't put in for the permits. Many who applied for the MS and didn't get drawn may have been drawn for a modern fire arm permit and don't see the need for the MS. Another angle is they only wanted the MS to be able to apply for permits in multiple categories. That is why I am not buying one. I applied in hopes of getting drawn and using my special permit points to help my daughters get drawn as a team.That's correct. The value of purchasing a MS permit now is diminished from its original value in the Spring when you could apply for permits in multiple categories. The only offset is that purchasing one now does not result in a loss of points.
Post by: fishnfur on August 23, 2016, 12:33:23 PM
This is all very odd. A few years ago, they never sold as many applications as there were permits. Then last year they had 13,000+ applications for 8,500 permits. That was the first year I can recall that drawing wasn't 100%. The unclaimed leftover permits went on sale, and all sold.
Now they have 2,000 leftovers? :dunno:
Yep.
They have over 2,000 permits unsold, with now just one week left before the season begins (and, the end of the sale period). And what do they do? They limit the sale to those who originally applied for the permit, but not to the rest of the public.
Let's see if I get this straight. You are selling an item for $139, you have sold about 6,500 of them (total 8,500 originally offered), you have 2,000 leftover in inventory, the goods will become unsellable in one week. What should you do? Hmmm. How about lower the price? Or, open the sale to anybody who wants them. Or, make it easy to purchase them outside government employee business hours. Perhaps allow 24 purchases. Perhaps allow purchase over the Internet.
Or, you could just do nothing, and miss out on 2,000 x $139 = $278,000 in extra revenue for the state. Gosh, this is such a hard decision, what to do? My head hurts, I think I will go home early today.
Sure PD - always suggesting things that make sense! This is STATE GOVERNMENT that we are speaking about. I'm very sure that you've missed some obvious fact that makes total sense to our chosen leaders. They would never miss the opportunity to take advantage of the tax-paying public if given the opportunity. They are infallible.
Apparently, they should just make 8500 MS tags available on a first-come, first-serve basis. Charge $149.18 to make up for the revenue lost for the drawing (13000 x $6 = $78K lost) $78K/8500 tags = $9.18 more per tag (if all tags are sold).
Then again, since the state really doesn't manage the deer populations in any way shape or form, why not get rid of the tag fees altogether. We get nothing from WDFW for our dollars anyways.
Post by: CJ1962 on August 25, 2016, 07:19:32 AM
August 24, 2016
Contact: WDFW contact: Bruce Botka, (360) 902-2262
Office of Cyber Security contact: Andrew Garber, (360) 407-7995
Hunting and fishing license sales suspended while state agencies investigate system vulnerability
OLYMPIA – The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) has temporarily suspended the sale of fishing and hunting licenses while it works with the state Office of Cyber Security (OCS) to investigate a vulnerability in an outside vendor’s license sale system that was recently exploited in several states, including Washington.
The vendor’s vulnerability allowed access to some personal information provided by customers who purchased fishing and hunting licenses. WDFW and OCS are working with the vendor and collaborating with law enforcement, federal agencies, and officials in other states to determine how much information was accessed.
WDFW is working to resume license sales as soon as it can ensure the security of the system. More information will be released as it becomes available.
Post by: CJ1962 on August 29, 2016, 08:56:02 PM
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Post by: pd on August 29, 2016, 09:39:04 PM
Hold a fire sale! Price them to move, at $50/each! The state (F&G Commission) has already authorized their sale, so there will be no additional impact on wildlife management. The marginal cost to the state of an additional tag is zero, marginal revenue is whatever you charge for it (the dealer's fee is additional).
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Post by: cumminsbassguy on August 29, 2016, 09:54:05 PM
Post by: CJ1962 on August 30, 2016, 06:28:09 AM
Are they doing the MS OTC yet ??Yes for only two more days. But you had to have applied and were not selected in order to purchase.
The process I went through
1) go to a license dealer during normal business hours (I got there at 4:30pm)
2) tell them you want to purchase a multi season deer tag (Elk are all sold out)
3) Show them your license and general deer tag
4) Have them call the state so they can void your deer tag
5) When they ask you if you applied say "Yes", but I assume the state checks before they authorize the sale.
6) State authorizes the sale and you give them your money
Post by: cumminsbassguy on August 30, 2016, 09:17:13 AM
Post by: GrampasGuns on August 30, 2016, 05:10:05 PM
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Post by: fishnfur on August 30, 2016, 07:02:54 PM
Post by: CJ1962 on August 30, 2016, 07:50:00 PM
But you have to have applied... I'm still "new" here. In Michigan you get one set of tags and it lasts from Oct 1 till 31 DecYes. You have to applied
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Post by: CJ1962 on August 30, 2016, 07:51:15 PM
Gramps - I think you can buy the tag, you just have to wait until they get the computer hacker situation figured out. I posted a number a page or two back on this thread for WDFW licensing. If you call that number tomorrow, "Dave" will give you the skinny.They announced on Sunday that license sales were back up and running
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Post by: CJ1962 on August 30, 2016, 07:55:11 PM
This is unacceptable. I've been turned away 3 times, and told 3 different things trying to buy this tag. I applied, was not drawn and just want to buy the damn tag. Wdfw has told me 3 different thing s. What the hell is going onI understand your frustration. The 1st time I tried to buy, I was told they had sold out. Maybe I got lucky yesterday and got the right person at wdfw. I know the person at big 5 had no clue how to do it. You have one more day to try. Good luck and make sure you go during business hours.
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Post by: GrampasGuns on August 31, 2016, 08:31:14 AM
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Post by: jnevs23 on August 31, 2016, 02:41:20 PM
Post by: Bob33 on August 31, 2016, 02:49:57 PM
This is seriously out of control today is the last day and the people at Fred Meyer are telling me that Department of Fish and Wildlife offices are closed today and only the after-hours support line is taking calls and they cannot sell or exchange tags. I'm done with this state. I've wasted so much time on this messPerhaps Fred Meyer made a mistake. When you called WDFW Licensing, were they closed today?
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