Post by: rtspring on August 01, 2016, 05:04:50 PM
To me its like a rifle at 100 yds, how in the hell do you miss a 8 inch target provided the weapon is sighted in correctly? Pretty sure Im not being cocky but Ive seen some FAMOUS people miss and miss and miss at 30 yds and under.
Im taking into account jumping the string and the like. So why do they miss so much?
Post by: Becky on August 01, 2016, 05:08:01 PM
Post by: Jolten on August 01, 2016, 05:10:05 PM
Post by: rtspring on August 01, 2016, 05:18:01 PM
Are they shooting at moving targets? Buck fever? Do they practice 100 yards all day long only and never dial in their close ranges :chuckle:? I think there's a ton of answers that could fit lol.
Im talking the deer is eating the freshly piled grain put at exactly 30 yds and they shoot over, shoot under or just plain miss but they are "PROS"
And alot of the time it is elk, a vital area on an elk is huge! But they miss or butt shoot them standing still.
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on August 01, 2016, 05:30:42 PM
Post by: Becky on August 01, 2016, 05:33:24 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 01, 2016, 05:33:44 PM
Post by: rtspring on August 01, 2016, 05:37:22 PM
I saw coach miss a bear :chuckle:
My perfectly fried porkchop just shot out my mouth!!!
Post by: Dan-o on August 01, 2016, 05:50:42 PM
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on August 01, 2016, 06:05:14 PM
Some of the misses from all of these super hunters are pretty interesting.....
Ahh sir, that may be the crux of the biscuit right their. Perhaps, just perhaps, the super duper TV sponsored hunters are not so super duper after all ;)
Post by: kentrek on August 01, 2016, 06:29:54 PM
Some of the misses from all of these super hunters are pretty interesting.....
Ahh sir, that may be the crux of the biscuit right their. Perhaps, just perhaps, the super duper TV sponsored hunters are not so super duper after all ;)
:yeah: ....alot of the super hunters are pretty impressive individuals...but there are a few I shake my head at
In all reality stuff happens...eventually ....there's a million reason why a miss occurs....usually excitement...tunnel vision...the shakes....adrenaline....steep hills !!
Eventually your going to miss or have a less then ideal shot....when that happens go ahead and ask your self this question again :tup:
Post by: predatorpro on August 01, 2016, 07:00:02 PM
Post by: Reidus on August 01, 2016, 07:16:01 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 01, 2016, 07:27:25 PM
Seems like a lot of people on the shows aren't that much better hunters. They just spend a lot time hunting.more importantly they have the money to buy air time. Having a show ain't cheap.
Post by: rtspring on August 01, 2016, 07:31:51 PM
Some of the misses from all of these super hunters are pretty interesting.....
Ahh sir, that may be the crux of the biscuit right their. Perhaps, just perhaps, the super duper TV sponsored hunters are not so super duper after all ;)
:yeah: ....alot of the super hunters are pretty impressive individuals...but there are a few I shake my head at
In all reality stuff happens...eventually ....there's a million reason why a miss occurs....usually excitement...tunnel vision...the shakes....adrenaline....steep hills !!
Eventually your going to miss or have a less then ideal shot....when that happens go ahead and ask your self this question again :tup:
No way Im saying I am Great.. Hell I have missed a ton in my first two years. But these people are Pros with the best of the best? Miss at 30 yds, every single evening one show in a 5 hour period has a miss at this range. i find that strange... Hence the thread
Post by: coachcw on August 01, 2016, 07:45:30 PM
Post by: coachcw on August 01, 2016, 07:46:19 PM
Post by: kentrek on August 01, 2016, 07:47:01 PM
Some of the misses from all of these super hunters are pretty interesting.....
Ahh sir, that may be the crux of the biscuit right their. Perhaps, just perhaps, the super duper TV sponsored hunters are not so super duper after all ;)
:yeah: ....alot of the super hunters are pretty impressive individuals...but there are a few I shake my head at
In all reality stuff happens...eventually ....there's a million reason why a miss occurs....usually excitement...tunnel vision...the shakes....adrenaline....steep hills !!
Eventually your going to miss or have a less then ideal shot....when that happens go ahead and ask your self this question again :tup:
No way Im saying I am Great.. Hell I have missed a ton in my first two years. But these people are Pros with the best of the best? Miss at 30 yds, every single evening one show in a 5 hour period has a miss at this range. i find that strange... Hence the thread
I hear ya....one that suprises me is Tom Miranda....
Another thing to keep in mind is in 5 hours of hunting tv youl typically see a kill shot ever 30 minutes at the minimum...sometimes 2-3....that's alot if experiences in an one afternoon
Post by: PlateauNDN on August 01, 2016, 08:33:57 PM
Next time a guy says how good he is ask him why he carry's more than one arrow .
Sooooooo...I shouldn't bring a few dozen arrows? :chuckle:
Seems like a lot of people on the shows aren't that much better hunters. They just spend a lot time hunting.more importantly they have the money to buy air time. Having a show ain't cheap.
I heard coach is bringing a film crew for your hunt.! :chuckle:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 01, 2016, 08:44:03 PM
and depending on a random tick or hornet encounter, brief nudity :chuckle: ain't nobody wanna see that! :yike:Next time a guy says how good he is ask him why he carry's more than one arrow .
Sooooooo...I shouldn't bring a few dozen arrows? :chuckle:Seems like a lot of people on the shows aren't that much better hunters. They just spend a lot time hunting.more importantly they have the money to buy air time. Having a show ain't cheap.
I heard coach is bringing a film crew for your hunt.! :chuckle:
Post by: 92xj on August 01, 2016, 08:53:24 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 01, 2016, 09:19:08 PM
I have one miss that still baffles me to this day. 10 years ago, my first year bow hunting, I had already killed 4 deer in the first week of the season. Monday afternoon of the second week I had a doe walk into 8yards, I was only 15 feet up a tree, drew back settled and released. Clean miss right over her. She ran to 63 yards and stood quartering away in the woods, drew back and released, perfect in the last rib and out the front offside shoulder, 15 steps and she was done. I have no freaking idea how I missed her at 8 yards. She covered the complete sight plus some. I didn't even need to pick a pin but a complete whiff. *censored* happens I guess.I think your last few sentences ring true for a lot. I know I have missed more coyotes inside 50 yards than I have past 300 yards. Same with turkeys. I think we get cocky and don't follow through with our shot process. See hair, punch trigger :chuckle:
Post by: 92xj on August 01, 2016, 09:23:35 PM
I have one miss that still baffles me to this day. 10 years ago, my first year bow hunting, I had already killed 4 deer in the first week of the season. Monday afternoon of the second week I had a doe walk into 8yards, I was only 15 feet up a tree, drew back settled and released. Clean miss right over her. She ran to 63 yards and stood quartering away in the woods, drew back and released, perfect in the last rib and out the front offside shoulder, 15 steps and she was done. I have no freaking idea how I missed her at 8 yards. She covered the complete sight plus some. I didn't even need to pick a pin but a complete whiff. *censored* happens I guess.I think your last few sentences ring true for a lot. I know I have missed more coyotes inside 50 yards than I have past 300 yards. Same with turkeys. I think we get cocky and don't follow through with our shot process. See hair, punch trigger :chuckle:
Hell, I don't even know if I looked through the peep. I replay that hunt in my head weekly for years and don't remember settling, looking through peep and following through. I didn't need to, she was 8 freaking yards. Everyone deserves a close range miss, it gives you something to ponder for life.
Post by: PlateauNDN on August 01, 2016, 09:28:15 PM
Probably gonna be rated R though for adult languageand depending on a random tick or hornet encounter, brief nudity :chuckle: ain't nobody wanna see that! :yike:Next time a guy says how good he is ask him why he carry's more than one arrow .
Sooooooo...I shouldn't bring a few dozen arrows? :chuckle:Seems like a lot of people on the shows aren't that much better hunters. They just spend a lot time hunting.more importantly they have the money to buy air time. Having a show ain't cheap.
I heard coach is bringing a film crew for your hunt.! :chuckle:
Ummmmm...I don't know if I want to come to camp again if a bunch of guys are filming an R-rated film together,
in the woods,
alone... :bdid: :chuckle:
Post by: rtspring on August 01, 2016, 09:29:04 PM
I have one miss that still baffles me to this day. 10 years ago, my first year bow hunting, I had already killed 4 deer in the first week of the season. Monday afternoon of the second week I had a doe walk into 8yards, I was only 15 feet up a tree, drew back settled and released. Clean miss right over her. She ran to 63 yards and stood quartering away in the woods, drew back and released, perfect in the last rib and out the front offside shoulder, 15 steps and she was done. I have no freaking idea how I missed her at 8 yards. She covered the complete sight plus some. I didn't even need to pick a pin but a complete whiff. *censored* happens I guess.I think your last few sentences ring true for a lot. I know I have missed more coyotes inside 50 yards than I have past 300 yards. Same with turkeys. I think we get cocky and don't follow through with our shot process. See hair, punch trigger :chuckle:
Hell, I don't even know if I looked through the peep. I replay that hunt in my head weekly for years and don't remember settling, looking through peep and following through. I didn't need to, she was 8 freaking yards. Everyone deserves a close range miss, it gives you something to ponder for life.
Last year I stuck a bull at 10 yds!!!! He ate grass for the next 5 hours!!! This is my year!!
Post by: rtspring on August 01, 2016, 09:30:41 PM
Probably gonna be rated R though for adult languageand depending on a random tick or hornet encounter, brief nudity :chuckle: ain't nobody wanna see that! :yike:Next time a guy says how good he is ask him why he carry's more than one arrow .
Sooooooo...I shouldn't bring a few dozen arrows? :chuckle:Seems like a lot of people on the shows aren't that much better hunters. They just spend a lot time hunting.more importantly they have the money to buy air time. Having a show ain't cheap.
I heard coach is bringing a film crew for your hunt.! :chuckle:
Ummmmm...I don't know if I want to come to camp again if a bunch of guys are filming an R-rated film together,
in the woods,
alone... :bdid: :chuckle:
You should feel privedged that you know location of said camp! Many people dont know location and if they find out they no longer pay taxes...
Post by: pope on August 01, 2016, 09:40:47 PM
"Of course, a faster arrow gets to the deer sooner so the deer doesn’t drop as far. This is especially important, in my opinion, on shots from 25 to 35 yards. At this distance, the deer is close enough to hear even a quiet bow, yet it is far enough that it can drop a good distance."
https://www.americanhunter.org/articles/2010/7/14/the-science-of-string-jumping/ (https://www.americanhunter.org/articles/2010/7/14/the-science-of-string-jumping/)
Post by: PlateauNDN on August 01, 2016, 09:44:40 PM
Probably gonna be rated R though for adult languageand depending on a random tick or hornet encounter, brief nudity :chuckle: ain't nobody wanna see that! :yike:Next time a guy says how good he is ask him why he carry's more than one arrow .
Sooooooo...I shouldn't bring a few dozen arrows? :chuckle:Seems like a lot of people on the shows aren't that much better hunters. They just spend a lot time hunting.more importantly they have the money to buy air time. Having a show ain't cheap.
I heard coach is bringing a film crew for your hunt.! :chuckle:
Ummmmm...I don't know if I want to come to camp again if a bunch of guys are filming an R-rated film together,
in the woods,
alone... :bdid: :chuckle:
You should feel privedged that you know location of said camp! Many people dont know location and if they find out they no longer pay taxes...
:chuckle: :tup:
Post by: WSU on August 01, 2016, 10:05:18 PM
Post by: Reidus on August 01, 2016, 11:13:08 PM
Post by: rtspring on August 01, 2016, 11:25:58 PM
Are you talking about Tim wells?
Nope, just in general people who have hunting shows.
Tim is not right in the head though
Post by: usmc74 on August 02, 2016, 04:44:00 AM
Also, I almost missed a buck at 6 feet. Too dang close, almost gumped it.
Post by: jackelope on August 02, 2016, 07:48:23 AM
Maybe I'm not as good as everyone else. I missed an elk a couple years ago for no reason other than operator error. Stuff happens.
Most logical post in this thread. Stuff happens.
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 02, 2016, 07:51:30 AM
Post by: theleo on August 02, 2016, 08:11:44 AM
Post by: JDHasty on August 02, 2016, 08:40:13 AM
I love all the ridgeline shots they take with a rifle....always a good example of safety
Relatives in Montana and other locals told me about some show that showed up and was shooting at mule deer @ ~ 1,200 yards. At least the video they published claimed that is how for they shot the trophy they bagged... after taking IIRC three shots. I saw a video of the incident, but don't remember what the name of the show is, I think it is Extreme _______ .
What was not on television is that in the eight or ten days they were hunting they were observed shooting at a half dozen trophy mule deer from distances of over a half mile away. They were shooting across broken ground, across canyons, and the country is covered in heavy sage brush. After the hunters and production crew had pulled out locals located a couple monster mule deer dead and another wandering around with a broken front leg. The F,W & P were notified of what had went down, but said they lacked proof of who exactly was responsible.
I have spent a lot of time in that country and it takes at least a good half-hour to get from one of these ridges to another and frequently it takes twice that. Every one of the draws has a creek bed in the bottom and is choked w/brush and aspen trees making it very difficult to get around and track an animal through. These bottoms are where the deer were found by following up where ravens and magpies were congregating.
I have never had much use for any of these "outdoor" shows, but considered them to be more or less harmless. I have a friend who is retired and spends most of his day watching these shows, so I get to see them when I visit him and I'm not so sure anymore that they are "harmless." I'm more and more am coming to believe that they are a net negative.
Post by: PolarBear on August 02, 2016, 08:51:54 AM
Post by: scoutdog346 on August 02, 2016, 09:03:31 AM
Post by: demontang on August 02, 2016, 09:06:43 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on August 02, 2016, 09:22:51 AM
There was a guy that guided for some TV host for elk somewhere I don't recall. Think it was antlerless/management type hunting. The TV guy brought his kids and talked them up as being better shots/hunters than 99% of hunters out there. The kids had .243 Wins and were taking all kinds of wild shots (long range/off hand/moving) and wounded something like five elk. For the last day, the TV host broke out a .300 Win and shot his cow, but once the TV show aired, the editing made it look like each kid also shot (killed) a cow.I love all the ridgeline shots they take with a rifle....always a good example of safety
Relatives in Montana and other locals told me about some show that showed up and was shooting at mule deer @ ~ 1,200 yards. At least the video they published claimed that is how for they shot the trophy they bagged... after taking IIRC three shots. I saw a video of the incident, but don't remember what the name of the show is, I think it is Extreme _______ .
What was not on television is that in the eight or ten days they were hunting they were observed shooting at a half dozen trophy mule deer from distances of over a half mile away. They were shooting across broken ground, across canyons, and the country is covered in heavy sage brush. After the hunters and production crew had pulled out locals located a couple monster mule deer dead and another wandering around with a broken front leg. The F,W & P were notified of what had went down, but said they lacked proof of who exactly was responsible.
I have spent a lot of time in that country and it takes at least a good half-hour to get from one of these ridges to another and frequently it takes twice that. Every one of the draws has a creek bed in the bottom and is choked w/brush and aspen trees making it very difficult to get around and track an animal through. These bottoms are where the deer were found by following up where ravens and magpies were congregating.
I have never had much use for any of these "outdoor" shows, but considered them to be more or less harmless. I have a friend who is retired and spends most of his day watching these shows, so I get to see them when I visit him and I'm not so sure anymore that they are "harmless." I'm more and more am coming to believe that they are a net negative.
Post by: Reidus on August 02, 2016, 09:25:04 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on August 02, 2016, 09:35:51 AM
Post by: bearpaw on August 02, 2016, 10:06:22 AM
When I was a kid I got buck fever so bad, the first deer I ever shot at (rifle) was bedded on top of a cut bank at 80-100 yards, I was so excited I hit about 6 or 8 feet under the deer, I shot 3 boxes of 30/30 before I ever got a big game animal, finally killed a bear after 4 years of shooting and missing, I learned to control the excitement after that.
I missed an easy shot at an elk later in life, hit a small sapling dead center that was in front of the kill zone, I hadn't even seen that sapling until my arrow found it. :chuckle:
I see excitement in hunters all the time, most of the time it means they are having fun, I just try to calm them down so they can make a good shot. I've done quite a few tv shows through the years, some tv hosts get just as excited as other hunters, I'm glad to see they are enjoying the hunt, I have a lot less fun with a guy who shows no excitement.
I've seen a cougar wounded in the front leg at only 6 feet away, the guy was scared and trembling, his arrow missed the body completely, it ended up with my foot in the cougar's mouth after kicking the cougar trying to save a hound, cougar bit through the leather on both sides of the boot, the sole being sideways in his mouth saved my foot from being crushed, I fell with my foot still in the cat's mouth and was pulling myself backwards and dragging the cat along, the hunter was going to shoot at the cat again right then! No, no way was he throwing another arrow, not until I got free from that cougar! :yike:
We've seen lots of standing elk missed as close as 10 yards, unless you have had a bull screaming at close range it's hard to understand how anyone could miss an animal that close, but it happens a lot, more than most hunters will publicly admit.
Post by: JLS on August 02, 2016, 10:12:57 AM
I missed a bull broadside at 20 yards. I ranged him at 40, then failed to take into account that I was 20 yards closer by the time I was done crawling through the willows. Shot right over his back.
I missed a spike at 40 yards when he did a whitetail and ducked the arrow.
I missed a deer at 20 yards when I second guessed my range finder and used my 30 yard pin instead.
Stuff happens.
Post by: Tbob on August 02, 2016, 10:27:18 AM
Post by: WSU on August 02, 2016, 10:42:26 AM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on August 02, 2016, 11:35:19 AM
Post by: pope on August 02, 2016, 11:57:15 AM
Dang Bearpaw! Those are some crazy stories!
:yeah:
Post by: Becky on August 02, 2016, 02:07:16 PM
Post by: cbond3318 on August 02, 2016, 03:26:01 PM
I missed 3 different times on the same buck last year with my muzzleloader, all under 30. still don't know what happened there :dunno:
I missed a broadside sabor spike elk last year archery, eyeballed the range at 40, shot right over him. He was across a steep creek cut and was actually 25. Oh and my knees were knocking.
I think I get so danged excited is my issue, heck my knees get knocking something fierce when I got a big salmon on the hook. Makes me know why I do what I do. If it ever goes away I'll stop hunting and fishing. Controlling it is steep learning curve every year.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on August 02, 2016, 04:31:44 PM
To this day, the only thing that I can think of is that I must have skipped the arrow off the bottom of the window of my blind and sailed it over his back. He must have jumped at the sound.
Like has been said several times...stuff happens... :dunno:
Post by: ribka on August 17, 2016, 08:52:10 PM
Maybe I'm not as good as everyone else. I missed an elk a couple years ago for no reason other than operator error. Stuff happens.
Most logical post in this thread. Stuff happens.
Once you hunt archery for many years ( over 20 years) after flinging 1000's of arrows in practice , you would be surprised at missed "easy shots" while archery hunting. . I have missed shots ( twice) over animals at 15 yds before. Make that same shot a 1000 times in practice but you'll see once you archery hunt for years stuff happens. Having an animal close to you at under 20 yds can be be nerve wracking and make you forget to pick a spot, string hit your sleeve, hit a twig etc.. :chuckle:
But making a 400 yd shot on a deer with a rifle aint that exciting
Post by: flyguide on August 18, 2016, 05:34:25 AM
Post by: Thefisherman83 on August 18, 2016, 06:47:51 AM
Post by: huntindoc on August 18, 2016, 08:44:06 AM
Couple years back, I was shooting little white tail bucks for the freezer in Oregon. Little bitty spike comes in. I flat missed him at 15 yards! Shot right over him. Next week, I'm in a ground blind, and I missed him again at 12 yards! I still have no idea how.... Told the kids he was a spirit deer and could not be killed. Never did get him.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on August 18, 2016, 08:55:16 AM