Post by: GrainfedMuley on August 18, 2016, 05:13:03 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 18, 2016, 08:10:43 AM
Post by: Widgeondeke on August 18, 2016, 08:15:27 AM
Great shot placement. I thought he did it well. He's a pariah now, though. :bash:Aren't all of us hunters?
That took a ton of patience and practice. :tup:
Post by: b23 on August 18, 2016, 08:31:46 AM
Great shot placement. I thought he did it well. He's a pariah now, though. :bash:Aren't all of us hunters?
That took a ton of patience and practice. :tup:
Ain't that the truth! A lot more than I'd have, that's for sure.
Post by: PlateauNDN on August 18, 2016, 08:46:35 AM
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Post by: pianoman9701 on August 18, 2016, 08:57:17 AM
There are always some who will attack us for killing. I don't pay them much heed. Of course, my success rate in my later years has only been slightly better than an animal rights activist's, so I'm not really on their radar! :chuckle:Great shot placement. I thought he did it well. He's a pariah now, though. :bash:Aren't all of us hunters?
That took a ton of patience and practice. :tup:
Post by: Butchmeathook on August 18, 2016, 09:09:33 AM
Post by: Machias on August 18, 2016, 12:46:11 PM
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Post by: Humptulips on August 18, 2016, 04:13:36 PM
Post by: bulldogs40 on August 18, 2016, 06:56:35 PM
Cracks me up when ARA yell about well rifles aren't fair why don't you use a knife or a spear. Well here you go a guy uses a spear and they once again have their panties in a bunch.
That was my first thought too. People are only happy if someone else kills their meat for them.
Post by: h20hunter on August 18, 2016, 08:08:35 PM
Post by: finnman on August 18, 2016, 08:27:47 PM
I had a cousin that always aid unless I was naked and jumped from a tree with a knife hunting was not ethical.
After seeing this I might call him in capital hill and tell hi to eat );&/@!
Lol!!
Why not do it if you can?
Post by: DVET253 on August 19, 2016, 05:50:15 AM
I follow him, Josh Bowmar, on instagram even before he speared this bear. Plenty of videos of him practicing spear shots constanley for this hunt and I had no doubt he was gonna get a bear with one judging by watching his videos. Him and his wife show great athleticism and both a Under Armour sponsored hunters.
I too follow the Bowmars on IG. As of yesterday Under Armor has dropped Sarah (Josh's wife) from their sponsorship due to the backlash from the Anti's regarding this bear hunt (NOTE: Josh was not sponsored by UA). IMHO, this was a very hypocritical decision. UA and UAHUNT more specifically has many top level hunters and pro-level competition archers and other well known TV personalities on their pro-staff roster, some of which who are also beasts in the fitness world.
It should be interesting to watch how UA is affected, and how the other hunt-thlete's, hunters and UAHUNT end users will respond. So far the support for the Bowmars has been very vocal, I'm sure UA has a few emails to sort through this a.m. :chuckle:
For those who don't know the Bowmars, they are very hard working and determined individuals. Often posting about daily fitness tips, healthy eating recipes (including recipe's with game they have harvested) and recently posted about working with a local African tribe as well as donating meat from a hunt that took place during the same trip. If you asked me, this is the kind of person us hunters want to be in the spotlight, a positive spotlight.
Post by: konradcountry on August 19, 2016, 07:31:17 AM
Great shot placement. I thought he did it well. He's a pariah now, though. :bash:Aren't all of us hunters?
Yea but this type of video just feeds the anti-hunting groups.
That video is already circulating on mainstream media sites.
It's called tact and this hunter did not show any by filming this.
Post by: GrainfedMuley on August 19, 2016, 07:54:19 AM
capital hill
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Post by: pianoman9701 on August 19, 2016, 07:59:55 AM
Great shot placement. I thought he did it well. He's a pariah now, though. :bash:Aren't all of us hunters?
Yea but this type of video just feeds the anti-hunting groups.
That video is already circulating on mainstream media sites.
It's called tact and this hunter did not show any by filming this.
Under the extremely subjective category of "tact", I would then assume that videos of any animal killing would be tactless. I'm confused by what is acceptable video killing and what is unacceptable. This video is no more or less violent than a rifle kill shot or an arrow. Machias made a great point above. For years, the animal rights crowd has been decrying hunters for their lack of fair play, using bullets on defenseless animals. Now, when one hunter actually levels the playing field, they're up in arms about the savagery of the act instead of praising him. All due respect, just because the video isn't your cup of tea doesn't make it tactless.
Post by: GrainfedMuley on August 19, 2016, 08:09:02 AM
Great shot placement. I thought he did it well. He's a pariah now, though. :bash:Aren't all of us hunters?
Yea but this type of video just feeds the anti-hunting groups.
That video is already circulating on mainstream media sites.
It's called tact and this hunter did not show any by filming this.
Under the extremely subjective category of "tact", I would then assume that videos of any animal killing would be tactless. I'm confused by what is acceptable video killing and what is unacceptable. This video is no more or less violent than a rifle kill shot or an arrow. Machias made a great point above. For years, the animal rights crowd has been decrying hunters for their lack of fair play, using bullets on defenseless animals. Now, when one hunter actually levels the playing field, they're up in arms about the savagery of the act instead of praising him. All due respect, just because the video isn't your cup of tea doesn't make it tactless.
:yeah:
Post by: konradcountry on August 19, 2016, 08:27:27 AM
Great shot placement. I thought he did it well. He's a pariah now, though. :bash:Aren't all of us hunters?
Yea but this type of video just feeds the anti-hunting groups.
That video is already circulating on mainstream media sites.
It's called tact and this hunter did not show any by filming this.
Under the extremely subjective category of "tact", I would then assume that videos of any animal killing would be tactless. I'm confused by what is acceptable video killing and what is unacceptable. This video is no more or less violent than a rifle kill shot or an arrow. Machias made a great point above. For years, the animal rights crowd has been decrying hunters for their lack of fair play, using bullets on defenseless animals. Now, when one hunter actually levels the playing field, they're up in arms about the savagery of the act instead of praising him. All due respect, just because the video isn't your cup of tea doesn't make it tactless.
The public is going to be far more offended by this video than a rifle shot or duck hunt.
Why do you think the MSM is playing this video? They know it will help the anti-hunting cause which also overlaps with anti-gun groups.
I wish there wasn't a political side to this but there is. When the bear debate comes up in contested areas like Florida this video will be cited. That is just the reality.
It's not about what you or I think of the video or the kill. This video will be used as emotional propaganda by anti-hunting groups.
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 19, 2016, 08:40:23 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 19, 2016, 08:47:39 AM
Post by: mfswallace on August 19, 2016, 11:12:14 AM
Your following statement is full of hypocrisy and I will explain it as you seem to miss what hunting is about...
"The method used to harvest this animal was reckless and we do not condone it," an Under Armour spokesperson told Business Insider. "Under Armour is dedicated to the hunting community and supports hunting that is conducted in compliance with applicable federal, state and local laws and hunting practices that ensure a responsible and safe harvest of the animal."
Josh has hundreds of hours of practice with a spear and has demonstrated his expertise over and over in different videos and settings. For you to say this type of hunting act was reckless would be like calling Bryce Harpers hitting of a homerun lucky, when we all know his dedication and practice have allowed him to perfect his swing in order to accomplish the feat. No part of this hunt was outside of compliance with the laws of the Province within which the bear was taken. The hunting and killing of this bear wasn't outside of millions of years of hunting practices but more inline with hunting than the other types of hunting that you so willingly support, I'm sure if the market for selling spears was greater you would be offering them for as high a price as the market would allow. The harvest of this animal is no different than that of a rifle or bow and arrow that you support. This same huntress was just praised by you for her use of a bow and arrow and if you really knew what that meant you would see the 3 1/2" cutting surface on the spear is much different and more effective than the 1 1/8" arrow tip when used correctly.
I will not be supporting Under Armour and your spineless Corporate leaders who truly don't know what hunting is about. I will be passing this on to every hunting and fishing family member, friend, random acquaintance, the athletes you endorse and have contracts with and all other outlets I can reach with my voice and keyboard. To fold under the "PC" pressure of the liberal individuals who are trying to change the very natural of hunting and on a grander scale that of what the constitution ensures as our God given rights is weak and cowardly. If it weren't for the profits you make off of hunting apparel and gear you would only be half the company you have today and I can assure you you alienated more than your fair share to lose profits in this aspect of your business!
Sincerely,
Seth
Post by: JLS on August 19, 2016, 11:47:29 AM
Post by: mfswallace on August 19, 2016, 12:01:10 PM
I have no problem with the method of take. He obviously was well prepared for the hunt. Too bad he wasn't as prepared to act as an ambassador for hunters than he did. IMO he acted like a self absorbed fool, and showing intestines on the track showed a complete lack of awareness of the audience this would end up in front of.
Here is the old me's response---
Yes hunting should be done in a manner in which no one will ever be offended, especially those who want to ban any form of it as it stands now since they are so reasonable... might as well try drinking the ocean while your at it :chuckle:
Who doesn't yip and fist bump or get excited over a hard earned filling the freezer kill, must be you huh? You must walk like your on eggshell as to not offend anyone at all times :dunno: Are you going to the White Fragility classes in Seattle??
The PC me that you would have me be---
You shouldn't call him names and using the word intestines offends my sensibilities, could you please refrain from your aggressive behavior on this site that I frequent as it is my right to express myself here without the actions of those of your ilk...
:hello: :hello: ;) ;)
Post by: saylean on August 19, 2016, 12:04:02 PM
What if he used dogs?
What if he had used an electronic caller?
What if he used a bow?
All of these scenarios would have still resulted in animal rights (more specifically anti hunting) groups crying afoul.
Their goal is to stop hunting, period. It is not to just stop baiting, not to just stop leg hold traps, not to just stop the use to dogs, but to chisel, to erode, to divide and separate the hunting community as a whole. The goal is to stop all hunting regardless of how it is performed.
While filming/posting the hunt likely brought on the firestorm, it does not negate the fact he hunted the bear within regulation and has done something few people in modern times have.
Stand up for hunters and trappers ladies and gents, or we are going to fall.
I would urge you to contact UA and express support for the hunter/hunters wife if you so feel inclined.
Post by: Russ McDonald on August 19, 2016, 12:12:30 PM
Post by: konradcountry on August 19, 2016, 12:19:46 PM
So, you've pretty much proven my point. If they didn't have this video, they'd have another. 15 year old girl shoots a giraffe. Someone arrows an elk. I don't care what it is, MSNBC will find something that's meant to shock the non-hunting world. The only solution is to never post a video or a picture of a kill on social media ever again. I'm unwilling to follow that.
I don't see how I have proven your point. In fact you seem to have changed your position in that you agree certain types of videos are far more offensive to the public and effectively used by anti-hunting groups to sway public opinion.
I don't care if a 15 year old girl shoots a giraffe. But why post it online? It just feeds anti-hunting groups. I don't see a good trade-off here. What is the gain in sharing it publicly? Ego gratification? I'm not going to help anti-hunting groups just for my own ego.
This hunter showed a clear lack of tact. Now his wife lost her sponsor and spear hunting is now banned in the area. And what was gained?
You seem to think that the only option is to never post videos. That isn't true at all. The key is to not post videos that will make headlines. This guy knew a spear-cam would make headlines which is why he did it.
I wish we lived in a world where these videos could be posted without ramifications but that simply isn't the way things are. We need to be wise about dealing with anti-hunting groups. There are trade-offs to everything and I don't see a good trade-off in making these videos public.
Post by: JLS on August 19, 2016, 12:21:42 PM
I have no problem with the method of take. He obviously was well prepared for the hunt. Too bad he wasn't as prepared to act as an ambassador for hunters than he did. IMO he acted like a self absorbed fool, and showing intestines on the track showed a complete lack of awareness of the audience this would end up in front of.
Here is the old me's response---
Yes hunting should be done in a manner in which no one will ever be offended, especially those who want to ban any form of it as it stands now since they are so reasonable... might as well try drinking the ocean while your at it :chuckle:
Who doesn't yip and fist bump or get excited over a hard earned filling the freezer kill, must be you huh? You must walk like your on eggshell as to not offend anyone at all times :dunno: Are you going to the White Fragility classes in Seattle??
The PC me that you would have me be---
You shouldn't call him names and using the word intestines offends my sensibilities, could you please refrain from your aggressive behavior on this site that I frequent as it is my right to express myself here without the actions of those of your ilk...
:hello: :hello: ;) ;)
My ilk?
No, I don't go to white fragility classes. I don't go to Seattle either. What's your point?
There is a big difference between being PC and being foolish about what you are portraying. I am hardly PC. I also understand that there are sides to hunting that aren't pretty that are a fact of life. Been there done that.
IMO the video did not present a tasteful or authentic presentation of what hunting is about to the NON hunting portion of our population. If you feel otherwise, that's certainly your prerogative.
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 19, 2016, 12:27:57 PM
So, you've pretty much proven my point. If they didn't have this video, they'd have another. 15 year old girl shoots a giraffe. Someone arrows an elk. I don't care what it is, MSNBC will find something that's meant to shock the non-hunting world. The only solution is to never post a video or a picture of a kill on social media ever again. I'm unwilling to follow that.
I don't see how I have proven your point. In fact you seem to have changed your position in that you agree certain types of videos are far more offensive to the public and effectively used by anti-hunting groups to sway public opinion.
I don't care if a 15 year old girl shoots a giraffe. But why post it online? It just feeds anti-hunting groups. I don't see a good trade-off here. What is the gain in sharing it publicly? Ego gratification? I'm not going to help anti-hunting groups just for my own ego.
This hunter showed a clear lack of tact. Now his wife lost her sponsor and spear hunting is now banned in the area. And what was gained?
You seem to think that the only option is to never post videos. That isn't true at all. The key is to not post videos that will make headlines. This guy knew a spear-cam would make headlines which is why he did it.
I wish we lived in a world where these videos could be posted without ramifications but that simply isn't the way things are. We need to be wise about dealing with anti-hunting groups. There are trade-offs to everything and I don't see a good trade-off in making these videos public.
I haven't changed my position. It's clear to me that no matter what hunting is posted, internet shaming will take place and ignorant people will weigh in on something about which they know nothing. My intent was not to call you out. It's clear that you and I have different views of what happened here.
Post by: konradcountry on August 19, 2016, 12:56:05 PM
I haven't changed my position. It's clear to me that no matter what hunting is posted, internet shaming will take place and ignorant people will weigh in on something about which they know nothing. My intent was not to call you out. It's clear that you and I have different views of what happened here.
All hunting videos do not have equal weight with the public. Duck Dynasty was a popular show and there there wasn't headline-making outrage over ducks or squirrels being killed on video. Any Robertson could release a video of duck hunting tomorrow and no one would care. However if a Robertson killed one with a baseball bat it would probably make headlines even if it was a humane kill and more humane than how chickens are processed. None of that matters. People would watch the video while eating a chicken sandwich and get offended. This is an emotional issue and there is a line that does not need to be crossed. Spear-cams and videos of kids hunting giraffes definitely cross that line. This guy knew he was crossing the line and didn't care about how it might affect the image of hunting. He should have kept the video private instead of using it to promote his youtube channel.
In my home state of Florida they just cancelled the bear hunt because of public opinion. How is the spear-cam video going to help Florida bear hunters make their case? It should't be connected but unfortunately it will be entirely connected. The MSM will bring up the spear-cam video next time the Florida bear hunt is debated. This is what they do and they are boringly predictably when trying to demean all hunters with a completely irrelevant case.
Animals like bears and wolves fall into a different category with the public. Hunters that want to support the image of hunting should not release videos that they know will feed the anti-hunting groups. Anything involving bears or wolves should be handled with tact to not cause further problems for hunters in states like Florida. Releasing these types of videos is what anti-hunting groups want. They can't change public opinion by showing videos of deer being hit by bullets or ducks falling from the sky. They need bear spearing and giraffe killing videos.
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 19, 2016, 12:59:18 PM
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Post by: KFhunter on August 19, 2016, 02:27:18 PM
This is a shock video the Bowmars released and it cost them dearly, cost the hunting community as well.
And personally it cost me because now I don't want to buy any UA products.
I'd rather support a sportswear company that supports all forms of hunting.
Post by: WAnoob on August 19, 2016, 03:24:50 PM
I had an anti hunter asked me why I didn't just get my meat at the supermarket since it was already wrapped in plastic.... :yike:
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on August 19, 2016, 04:32:11 PM
I have no problem with the method of take. He obviously was well prepared for the hunt. Too bad he wasn't as prepared to act as an ambassador for hunters than he did. IMO he acted like a self absorbed fool, and showing intestines on the track showed a complete lack of awareness of the audience this would end up in front of.
Yup. Method of take is not a problem. Was as clean as most bow kills.
But I'm curious about his claim of no backup? The guy who first showed up to the kill with him certainly was packing backup. And I'd be surprised if any guide on a bear hunt was not packing backup. Otherwise, if something went south and the bear attacked, the guide would be liable.
No, the method of kill I have no problem with. But this guy seems very self promoting. He's not promoting hunting, but his own "greatness".
Post by: KFhunter on August 19, 2016, 04:35:05 PM
These bear have been mass baited for so long they're completely used to people being there, heck you could probably slap one on the rump if it wouldn't slap you back :chuckle:
so ya #yawn he spear chucked a bear at 6 paces then was stupid enough to show it to mass media. We hunters need to learn a little butt kissing as we hunt at the publics' discretion.
Post by: Becky on August 19, 2016, 04:58:30 PM
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"Concerns: Zimmerman said he was, however, concerned about untrained people trying spear-hunting on a whim. Pictured: The view down the shaft of Bowmar's spear. Ethical: Todd Zimmerling, president of the Alberta Conservation Association, said that while so long as the kill was quick, spears could be 'ethical' - but was concerned about copycats."
.. I can't grasp that. A hunting brand ends someone's spouse's career because they're worried about COPYCATS?? How is that even a logical reason when ANY method of hunting can produce "untrained" copycats? I've been following the Bowmars on IG since Eva Shockey posts a lot about them. I'm curious if other UA sponsored friends of theirs will stick up for them, or no because of fear of being pulled as well.
Post by: KFhunter on August 19, 2016, 05:12:51 PM
Post by: curlewkiller on August 19, 2016, 06:33:19 PM
Post by: WAnoob on August 19, 2016, 06:44:13 PM
Regardless of the shock value of the video that was a clean kill with great skill. Impressive and obviously practiced a bunch. UA will not be on me or my family from now on.
I never got the hype with their hunting clothes? They didn't seem that well made compared to sitka, first lite or Kuiu. All of their regular gym clothes seem to fall apart like Nike in a short amount of time.
Post by: follow maggie on August 19, 2016, 11:01:41 PM
Post by: csaaphill on August 20, 2016, 03:39:52 AM
If it got lost then here once again. I didn't see anything wrong with the video, not my kind of tea, but meh. As sporting as anything I guess. I hate it when the antis make all kinds of statements like "Oh big man kill a animal how about kill something that can kill you back" etc... They yell when you use a gun they yell when you use old fashioned archery, all they time they yell.
But yet they will make shows like naked and afraid where people go to some spot in the woods or jungle naked and live off the land for a while. the people there have to use spears or other types of hunting tools they make or scrounge, but yet one man does it here it's all up in the air :bash:
My point on the naked and afraid is that the liberals and antis are all wanting us to go back to nature etc... by showing all these dumb survival shows, but yet gripe over this.
Seems like my other one was smaller than this one but...
so yea if it was please tell me and if not then it must have been lost.
Post by: Becky on August 20, 2016, 02:35:28 PM
Post by: csaaphill on August 20, 2016, 10:29:57 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on August 21, 2016, 10:43:41 AM
I follow him, Josh Bowmar, on instagram even before he speared this bear. Plenty of videos of him practicing spear shots constanley for this hunt and I had no doubt he was gonna get a bear with one judging by watching his videos. Him and his wife show great athleticism and both a Under Armour sponsored hunters.
I too follow the Bowmars on IG. As of yesterday Under Armor has dropped Sarah (Josh's wife) from their sponsorship due to the backlash from the Anti's regarding this bear hunt (NOTE: Josh was not sponsored by UA). IMHO, this was a very hypocritical decision. UA and UAHUNT more specifically has many top level hunters and pro-level competition archers and other well known TV personalities on their pro-staff roster, some of which who are also beasts in the fitness world.
It should be interesting to watch how UA is affected, and how the other hunt-thlete's, hunters and UAHUNT end users will respond. So far the support for the Bowmars has been very vocal, I'm sure UA has a few emails to sort through this a.m. :chuckle:
For those who don't know the Bowmars, they are very hard working and determined individuals. Often posting about daily fitness tips, healthy eating recipes (including recipe's with game they have harvested) and recently posted about working with a local African tribe as well as donating meat from a hunt that took place during the same trip. If you asked me, this is the kind of person us hunters want to be in the spotlight, a positive spotlight.
https://www.bowhunting.com/blog/2016/08/19/armour-fails-support-sponsored-hunter/
Post by: Becky on August 21, 2016, 01:53:19 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 22, 2016, 07:13:17 AM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on August 22, 2016, 07:16:45 AM
I have no problem with the method of take. He obviously was well prepared for the hunt. Too bad he wasn't as prepared to act as an ambassador for hunters than he did. IMO he acted like a self absorbed fool, and showing intestines on the track showed a complete lack of awareness of the audience this would end up in front of.+1. I don't care what method someone uses, as long as they're proficient. The controversy is stirring because he is generating it. He's using this as a major self promotion and it's making hunters look bad. I am sick of "TV hunters", just go hunt to enjoy it- not to make yourself famous
Post by: boneaddict on August 22, 2016, 07:21:33 AM
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I have no problem with the method of take. He obviously was well prepared for the hunt. Too bad he wasn't as prepared to act as an ambassador for hunters than he did. IMO he acted like a self absorbed fool, and showing intestines on the track showed a complete lack of awareness of the audience this would end up in front of.
+1. I don't care what method someone uses, as long as they're proficient. The controversy is stirring because he is generating it. He's using this as a major self promotion and it's making hunters look bad. I am sick of "TV hunters", just go hunt to enjoy it- not to make yourself famous
100% :yeah: Really surprised this is a big deal.
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 22, 2016, 07:25:21 AM
Post by: mfswallace on August 23, 2016, 02:42:46 PM
What's the difference to those of you who think this guy was in the wrong for being excited and showing"death/blood trail" :dunno:
Hypocrisy=It is the practice of engaging in the same behavior or activity for which one criticizes another.
I think this sums up under armours position with regards to their other sponsored athletes
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on August 23, 2016, 06:10:57 PM
Just watched Tiffany lakosky decked out in under armor shoot a buck really low and back. They let it lay over night and found it the next Day after showing multiple shots of the blood trail. She freaked out and fist pumped with Lee upon funding it.
What's the difference to those of you who think this guy was in the wrong for being excited and showing"death/blood trail" :dunno:
Hypocrisy=It is the practice of engaging in the same behavior or activity for which one criticizes another.
I think this sums up under armours position with regards to their other sponsored athletes
I agree. I disdain most made for tv hunts. They try to build false sense of excitement to make it seem like a bigger accomplishment than it is. Trying to outdo all the other TV hunters. I'm of the old school Vince Lombardi school of thought. Act like you've been there before. I've hunted over 50 years now and I've never seen hunters act like TV hunters. Show some joy, yes. Show some excitement, yes. But act like you're the first man to give birth? no.
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