Post by: JDHasty on August 31, 2016, 10:16:00 AM
Post by: huntnphool on August 31, 2016, 11:04:21 AM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on August 31, 2016, 02:10:51 PM
I have been hearing Wielgus' statements on KPQ radio for the past few days, both mischaracterizing the rancher's livestock turnout and management, and inferring that partnering with WDFW and his group is a guarantee against livestock depredations. He is an embarrassment to the wildlife biology profession.
There is absolutely no excuse for the wolf lovers who are making these death threats - I hope these ecoterrorists are being actively investigated by the FBI and will be prosecuted.
Post by: JDHasty on August 31, 2016, 03:56:32 PM
I was torn on whether to put it here first, but thought that the issues go so far beyond Wolves that people who are interested in the other aspects might not see it and get a chance to read it. SO I decided to go w/Virtual Campfire.
This way if someone sees the subject line and the other aspects interest them they can come over here and read it.
Post by: bugs n bones on August 31, 2016, 04:11:36 PM
I'm thinking that North Bend meeting might be a good one to go to.yeah I'd be packing heat, it could get ugly there..rough crowd
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on September 01, 2016, 03:49:29 PM
WSU issues statement clarifying comments on wolf pack
Published on August 31, 2016
PULLMAN, Wash. – Washington State University and the WSU College of Agricultural, Human and Natural Resources Sciences Wednesday issued the following statement regarding public statements made by Rob Wielgus, associate professor and director of the Large Carnivore Conservation Lab at WSU, related to the Profanity Peak wolf pack.
Some of Wielgus’ statements in regard to this controversial issue have been both inaccurate and inappropriate. As such, they have contributed substantially to the growing anger and confusion about this significant wildlife management issue and have unfairly jeopardized the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife’s Wolf Advisory Group’s many-months long stakeholder process. Moreover, the statements do not in any way represent the views or position of WSU or the College of Agricultural, Human and Natural Resources Sciences. These statements are disavowed by our institutions.
We offer the following corrections of the information in the public arena:
In an article published by the Seattle Times on Aug. 25, Wielgus stated that a particular livestock operator had “elected to put his livestock directly on top of (the wolves’) den site; we have pictures of cows swamping it…”
In fact, the rancher identified in the article did not intentionally place livestock at or near the den site of the Profanity Peak wolf pack, and Wielgus subsequently acknowledged that he had no basis in fact for making such a statement. In actuality, the livestock were released at low elevation on the east side of the Kettle Crest more than 4 miles from the den site and were dispersed throughout the allotments based on instructions found in the Annual Operating Instructions (AOI). The CC mountain allotment is more than 30,000 acres and livestock are generally moved from pasture to pasture following an established rotation.
In the same article, Wielgus stated that a particular cattle rancher had also “refused to radio-collar his cattle to help predict and avoid interactions with radio-collared wolves” and that there had been no documented “cattle kills among producers who are participating in research studies and very few among producers using Fish and Wildlife’s protocol.”
In fact, the rancher identified in the article has held a term grazing permit for 73 years and has worked with both the Washington Department of Fish & Wildlife and the U.S. Forest Service in the management of livestock in order to avoid conflict – following procedures outlined by the Washington Wolf Advisory Group. In order to reduce wolf/livestock conflict, the rancher has modified livestock rotation practices and utilized range riders to ensure livestock safety.
While the rancher is not currently participating in Wielgus’ ongoing study, radio-collaring of livestock is not a Wolf Advisory Group procedure nor is it 100 percent effective at preventing depredations. It is inaccurate to state that there have been no cattle kills among producers participating in the study. There is at least one permittee who is participating in the study who has incurred livestock depredations.
The decision to eliminate the Profanity Peak wolf pack came after two years of careful work and scientific analysis by the Washington State Wolf Advisory Group, consisting of a collaboration between scientists, industry and conservation partners. WSU subscribes to the highest standards of research integrity and will not and cannot condone statements that have the effect of compromising that integrity.
Regarding future steps for preventing subsequent inaccurate or inappropriate statements, we are implementing applicable internal university processes.
WSU apologizes to our friends, our science partners and to the public for this incident.
Contact:
Robert Strenge, WSU News, 509-335-3583, rstrenge@wsu.edu
Post by: Special T on September 01, 2016, 07:29:20 PM
Post by: Henrydog on September 01, 2016, 07:50:03 PM
There is absolutely no excuse for the wolf lovers who are making these death threats - I hope these ecoterrorists are being actively investigated by the FBI and will be prosecuted.
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Thank god I went to Eastern instead of WSU. 2nd I could not agree more. 3rd sadly our Federal government is a loss cause that only pushes it leftist agenda. So nothing will happen to these criminals. End result: rancher will lose more paychecks and sportsmans will foot the bill as our SS# are stolen from the Dept of None Hunting and Fish Treaties sits on its hands.
Post by: Special T on September 01, 2016, 08:12:48 PM
Post by: pd on September 01, 2016, 09:31:07 PM
Holy Smokes. Talk about being disowned by your own family! Good for WSU to have the cahones to publish this---I really respect that. I don't know, but I will assume this person is a tenured professor, in which case it would be nearly impossible to fire the liar.
Yes, it is a bad situation. But at least the university stood up to this fellow and showed the world that he is not a man of his word.
Post by: csaaphill on September 01, 2016, 10:58:16 PM
Post by: csaaphill on September 01, 2016, 11:12:07 PM
How many of these bunny huggers do you think own guns? I think they are mostly the passive agressive types that call gov agencies on you or sue.You'd be surprised just how many anti gun people who own guns, I'd not want to underestimate some of them loons. you're right on that they call the cops and have you swatted though. Meaning they say they see a gun and your waving it around acting like your about to kill someone then the cops show up and if your lucky just have to tell them the truth if not dead.
Those freaks especially the moms demand action crowd have been known to attack people legally carrying acting like they just witnessed a murder. I'd still be careful you never know especially with the hack at WDFW site on licenses.
Post by: Special T on September 02, 2016, 07:59:34 AM
Post by: bearpaw on September 02, 2016, 08:04:56 AM
https://news.wsu.edu/2016/08/31/wsu-issues-statement-clarifying-comments-profanity-peak-wolf-pack/
Holy Smokes. Talk about being disowned by your own family! Good for WSU to have the cahones to publish this---I really respect that. I don't know, but I will assume this person is a tenured professor, in which case it would be nearly impossible to fire the liar.
Yes, it is a bad situation. But at least the university stood up to this fellow and showed the world that he is not a man of his word.
He's the same professor who did the bogus cougar studies upon which WDFW has modeled WA cougar management. :yike:
Post by: KFhunter on September 02, 2016, 08:10:09 AM
Post by: bearpaw on September 02, 2016, 08:12:39 AM
(sorry about making this post in two different topics, but it's relevant)
Post by: JDHasty on September 02, 2016, 11:15:15 AM
Clint Didier is on the radio slamming Wielgus big time for causing the death threats the cattle rancher is receiving from wolf lovers.
(sorry about making this post in two different topics, but it's relevant)
I don't live there, but have donated to him in every race he has run in. A good man.
Post by: Dan-o on September 02, 2016, 11:43:18 AM
Not honorable in my book. He screwed Dino, and is at least partially responsible for what we got.
Sorry for the thread jack.
I do hope this cost the prof his job...... but I doubt it will.
Post by: JDHasty on September 02, 2016, 12:07:05 PM
The same Clint Didier that didn't keep his word to support the GOP nominee for Governor when he lost and got all sore about it?
Not honorable in my book. He screwed Dino, and is at least partially responsible for what we got.
Sorry for the thread jack.
I do hope this cost the prof his job...... but I doubt it will.
Dino Rossi, Rob McKenna & Co screwed everyone who were ready to fight this to the very end.
Post by: rasbo on September 02, 2016, 12:22:26 PM
Post by: timberfaller on September 02, 2016, 01:25:03 PM
Oh how soon we forget!! The PNW and especially the Seattle area has been the hideout for the worst of the worst when it comes to the "Eco-freak activists". They generally don't use guns. Their preferred tactics are Bombs, spikes, fire, cutting hydraulic lines and torching heavy equipment.
During the Janet Reno reign under Slick Willie the two most wanting Eco-freak "killers" were on the Olympic peninsula. Under cover agents had located them and others, BUT Reno wouldn't have anything to do with arresting them!!
Wolf huggers, tree huggers, shotted owl huggers YOU name it, they are all there! And the Feds will do nothing!!
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 02, 2016, 01:45:58 PM
Post by: csaaphill on September 03, 2016, 08:37:46 PM
Good point on being Swatted and the wdfw hack. Didn't think about those 2.:yeah: :tup:
Post by: Buckblaster on September 11, 2016, 02:09:45 PM
Post by: csaaphill on September 11, 2016, 06:58:46 PM
I was up on Albion Hill Rd today, and I pulled over to let several cars with out-of-state plates fly by me, and I think they were heading for the Profanity Peak area. I suspect that the wolf huggers might be protesting up there or raising hell with the rancher or whatever. Anyone heard anything about that?:yike:
:bash:
Post by: Buckblaster on September 12, 2016, 05:48:59 AM
Post by: R2Rcoulee on September 13, 2016, 09:52:20 PM