Post by: mud on September 13, 2016, 12:29:58 PM
At 9am, the tingling of the gate? That was me. I heard you and you heard me, but I figured you were my neighbor. He likes to trespass too, but he's harmless.
You should have knocked. I could have contacted all 4 neighbors for you. I have 2 boys that would love to chase a blood trail and I own a tractor to pull it out. Same tractor that made that clearing and the trails you were on. Hell, we could have checked the camera cards.
Even though you messed with my cameras, I appreciate you not stealing them. For that reason I blocked out your face.
Time stamps are 20 minutes slow.
PM me or knock on my door sometime, we can have a beer and a good laugh at the ridiculous pics of your GF taking selfies with her tongue hanging out.
Did you ever find it? I haven't had much activity the last several days.
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Edit: I removed the pic of the folks on camera. He owned right up to it and apologized for not going about things differently. What more can someone ask for, right?
Post by: pd on September 13, 2016, 12:32:57 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on September 13, 2016, 12:46:35 PM
I don't believe they'll recover that bull....
Post by: mud on September 13, 2016, 12:51:26 PM
Post by: Bob33 on September 13, 2016, 12:57:46 PM
I honestly wish you’d turned them in, but respect your decision to do what you considered best.
Post by: Rainier10 on September 13, 2016, 01:03:09 PM
Not sure what I would have done in that situation.
Post by: huntnphool on September 13, 2016, 01:04:40 PM
That bull didn't look like he was going down soon.
Shot does look to be above the shoulder and not in any vitals, I bet he lives.
Did you follow the spray paint markings out to where they started?
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on September 13, 2016, 01:05:19 PM
No need to worry about covering her face since she was knowlingly letting her picture be taken.
And you have piqued my curisoity, probably a few others as well...
Post by: Rainier10 on September 13, 2016, 01:17:29 PM
Is that the new way to mark the blood trail? Interesting.That bull didn't look like he was going down soon.
Shot does look to be above the shoulder and not in any vitals, I bet he lives.
Did you follow the spray paint markings out to where they started?
Post by: jackmaster on September 13, 2016, 01:35:04 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on September 13, 2016, 01:36:52 PM
Post by: 257wbymagkiller on September 13, 2016, 01:45:40 PM
Post by: huntnphool on September 13, 2016, 02:04:04 PM
Is that the new way to mark the blood trail? Interesting.That bull didn't look like he was going down soon.
Shot does look to be above the shoulder and not in any vitals, I bet he lives.
Did you follow the spray paint markings out to where they started?
Only reason I can't think of why he would be carrying a can of spray paint, either marking the trail, "tagging" (not likely out there) or "huffing" which I suppose could have led to the poor decision to trespass. :dunno:
Post by: Rainier10 on September 13, 2016, 02:13:06 PM
I think you are probably right about marking the trail I just hadn't heard of it before, well doing it that way anyways.Is that the new way to mark the blood trail? Interesting.That bull didn't look like he was going down soon.
Shot does look to be above the shoulder and not in any vitals, I bet he lives.
Did you follow the spray paint markings out to where they started?
Only reason I can't think of why he would be carrying a can of spray paint, either marking the trail, "tagging" (not likely out there) or "huffing" which I suppose could have led to the poor decision to trespass. :dunno:
Post by: JimmyHoffa on September 13, 2016, 02:13:41 PM
Post by: HunterDan3 on September 13, 2016, 02:58:32 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on September 13, 2016, 03:14:35 PM
Post by: huntnphool on September 13, 2016, 03:59:52 PM
unless it is some chemical to react with blood?
Could be I guess. I've never seen a reagent or luminol in a aerosol before though.
New product? :dunno:
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on September 13, 2016, 04:13:24 PM
Post by: mud on September 13, 2016, 04:59:49 PM
Where is your property mud? We don't live to far from each other, I own the south end 5 acres on little goose lake!Not familiar with Goose Lake, but I border the clear cut off 288th.
unless it is some chemical to react with blood?
Just spray paint. They marked the trailhead and what I assume what they thought was a single blood drop.
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I live out there to and know every kid just about out there if not my little brother does, if you need any help looking for the elk let me know my 5 year old is a tracking master :tup:
I never saw any blood trail, but if I did, it's 4 days old now. These pics are ~1hr into opening day. Also, this camera is on my property line facing out. There's several neighbors he'd be tromping through.
Can't prove it, but might be the last pic before he got stuck with an arrow? :dunno:
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Post by: The100Road on September 13, 2016, 05:14:51 PM
Post by: 257wbymagkiller on September 13, 2016, 05:18:28 PM
Post by: jackmaster on September 14, 2016, 08:46:46 AM
my property is between 288th and 264th off of 122nd !!Where is your property mud? We don't live to far from each other, I own the south end 5 acres on little goose lake!Not familiar with Goose Lake, but I border the clear cut off 288th.a
unless it is some chemical to react with blood?
Just spray paint. They marked the trailhead and what I assume what they thought was a single blood drop.
(https://c5.staticflickr.com/9/8535/29037287644_7713a1b9b0_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LeVFYq)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8258/29552691192_7c81abfc3f_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/M2tguu)I live out there to and know every kid just about out there if not my little brother does, if you need any help looking for the elk let me know my 5 year old is a tracking master :tup:
I never saw any blood trail, but if I did, it's 4 days old now. These pics are ~1hr into opening day. Also, this camera is on my property line facing out. There's several neighbors he'd be tromping through.
Can't prove it, but might be the last pic before he got stuck with an arrow? :dunno:
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/9/8184/29040184313_113d20e143_o.jpg)
(https://flic.kr/p/Lfbx3Z)
Post by: Rainier10 on September 14, 2016, 11:27:06 AM
I don't think I would be taking any of this as well as you are mud.
Post by: big wood on September 14, 2016, 09:32:23 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 15, 2016, 06:19:47 AM
Is that the new way to mark the blood trail? Interesting.That bull didn't look like he was going down soon.
Shot does look to be above the shoulder and not in any vitals, I bet he lives.
Did you follow the spray paint markings out to where they started?
Some graffiti is interesting. Still graffiti. Still illegal.
Post by: Machias on September 15, 2016, 07:38:34 AM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on September 15, 2016, 08:03:29 AM
That bull didn't look like he was going down soon.
Shot does look to be above the shoulder and not in any vitals, I bet he lives.
My thoughts as well. If he does not die from infection I bet he will live.
Post by: brush hunter on September 15, 2016, 08:15:59 AM
Post by: mud on September 15, 2016, 11:09:40 AM
To be clear, my cameras have been up the better part of 2 years and these folks were never on them before this incident. Extenuating circumstances and some assumptions on my part were the root of the entire ordeal.
Thanks again to everyone!
Post by: Mark Brenckle on September 15, 2016, 11:26:09 AM
Post by: huntnphool on September 15, 2016, 11:47:28 AM
I appreciate everyone's concern. One of the folks on the camera came to me on Tuesday. All is well now that there's an open line of communication and perspective. As was my original intent, not to publicly embarrass anyone. Hopefully this serves as a public service reminding others to be neighborly. It can go a long way! Thankfully, he's a guy with good intentions and this didn't get blown out of proportion! :)
To be clear, my cameras have been up the better part of 2 years and these folks were never on them before this incident. Extenuating circumstances and some assumptions on my part were the root of the entire ordeal.
Thanks again to everyone!
Did they find the bull?
Post by: Gringo31 on September 15, 2016, 12:47:57 PM
Post by: SemperFidelis97 on September 15, 2016, 01:30:04 PM
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Post by: EmeraldBullet on September 15, 2016, 02:04:49 PM
I worked at a ranch once where one side of the property was gated and well labeled, the other side was a mountain that connected to BLM land (so occasionally we would have tresspassers come down from that side, no fault of their own.) We tried to post as many signs as we could on that side of the property but it was so heavily wooded it's completely understandable a hunter could wnader there and not see the signs.
Post by: mud on September 15, 2016, 02:29:14 PM
Area isn't marked at all. No fences on that area of my property. Some property lines are impossible to miss, however. Chasing down a bull is one thing, but intentionally wandering around the neighborhood onto people's property to hunt is entirely different. Luckily this wasn't the latter.
Post by: EmeraldBullet on September 15, 2016, 02:33:55 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on September 15, 2016, 02:37:22 PM
I understand what you mean, but technically, if it isn't clearly posted that trespassing isn't allowed, it isn't illegal to be on someones private property. Disrespectful for certain, but not illegal.Technically it is illegal. It is your responsibility to know where you are and if you have permission to be there. It is not the landowners responsibility to post their land in this state.
Post by: EmeraldBullet on September 15, 2016, 02:44:40 PM
So if the trespasser didn't know they weren't welcome, they aren't trespassing by law. It has to be posted or someone has to tell them to leave.
Post by: Rainier10 on September 15, 2016, 02:46:41 PM
Not true. You are only trespassing in WA if you "knowingly enter or remain unlawfully in or upon premises of another."Okay. :tup:
So if the trespasser didn't know they weren't welcome, they aren't trespassing by law. It has to be posted or someone has to tell them to leave.
Post by: EmeraldBullet on September 15, 2016, 02:50:22 PM
Post by: JDHasty on September 15, 2016, 02:51:18 PM
No luck on the bull. Cameras have been soaking for 2 days now. I will check them when I get home.
Area isn't marked at all. No fences on that area of my property. Some property lines are impossible to miss, however. Chasing down a bull is one thing, but intentionally wandering around the neighborhood onto people's property to hunt is entirely different. Luckily this wasn't the latter.
Sounds like you are a really decent guy. It impresses me that they followed a bull they had an arrow in (poor shot placement as it was) onto your property and you just wish to press home the point that that everybody has to make contact before entering onto your property for any reason.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on September 15, 2016, 03:01:24 PM
:yeah: would be very easy to go high and mighty run them into the mud on huntwa in this case! Always better to be civil with neighbors I think.No luck on the bull. Cameras have been soaking for 2 days now. I will check them when I get home.
Area isn't marked at all. No fences on that area of my property. Some property lines are impossible to miss, however. Chasing down a bull is one thing, but intentionally wandering around the neighborhood onto people's property to hunt is entirely different. Luckily this wasn't the latter.
Sounds like you are a really decent guy. It impresses me that they followed a bull they had an arrow in (poor shot placement as it was) onto your property and you just wish to press home the point that that everybody has to make contact before entering onto your property for any reason.
Post by: Rainier10 on September 15, 2016, 03:03:08 PM
That is the thing we preach at hunter education, ask permission and know where you are at all the time.No luck on the bull. Cameras have been soaking for 2 days now. I will check them when I get home.
Area isn't marked at all. No fences on that area of my property. Some property lines are impossible to miss, however. Chasing down a bull is one thing, but intentionally wandering around the neighborhood onto people's property to hunt is entirely different. Luckily this wasn't the latter.
Sounds like you are a really decent guy. It impresses me that they followed a bull they had an arrow in (poor shot placement as it was) onto your property and you just wish to press home the point that that everybody has to make contact before entering onto your property for any reason.
The number one complaint from private land owners, myself included, is that hunters don't ask permission they just trespass on private property. We paid for the property, we pay the taxes, we maintain it, we improve the habitat and on top of that we have to make sure we post it every 50 feet so that it is perfectly clear when someone does trespass that they are trespassing. The orange and yellow signs really enhance the look of the outdoors.
As I recall in the photo there was fence. On our walk through course at hunter ed we don't have any signs, just fences, fences signify ownership or boundaries. If you see a fence you need to find out what it means and if you can be there.
Sounds like that is all the OP was looking for. I know it is what most private land owners are looking for.
Post by: JDHasty on September 15, 2016, 03:44:18 PM
Go out BEFORE the season and introduce yourself to the neighbors of whoever's property you will be hunting on. That way when the day comes, and if you hunt there long enough it will, and a wounded animal escapes onto someone else's property before kicking the bucket....
I passed on an easy shot at a blacktail doe last year just because there was a slim chance of it going onto the mother of all jerk anti-hunter's property. I dealt with the guy before when an acquaintance had a deer expire on that property and even though I called the sheriff and he had the WDFW enforcement come out and both explained to the guy that if he did not allow someone to go recover that deer that it would only mean that another deer would be shot on that tag - the guy refused.
So when you do things this way you learn about people like that, but you also get a little bit of face time with someone who you may need to ask permission from later in the season and having already broken the ice makes a world of difference. Particularly when most big game is shot early and late in the day and you will likely come back and be knocking just after sunup or after dark.
Post by: j_h_nimrod on September 15, 2016, 04:02:09 PM
Post by: ballstothewaal on September 15, 2016, 06:09:45 PM
I appreciate everyone's concern. One of the folks on the camera came to me on Tuesday. All is well now that there's an open line of communication and perspective. As was my original intent, not to publicly embarrass anyone. Hopefully this serves as a public service reminding others to be neighborly. It can go a long way! Thankfully, he's a guy with good intentions and this didn't get blown out of proportion! :)
To be clear, my cameras have been up the better part of 2 years and these folks were never on them before this incident. Extenuating circumstances and some assumptions on my part were the root of the entire ordeal.
Thanks again to everyone!
In order to clear the air and hopefully rest this topic, I am the now infamous trespasser. I met up with mud last night and as he requested, we shared a couple beers and laughs about the entire ordeal, including my girlfriends trail cam selfies. I was unable to recover the bull, and it still doesn't sit well with me. I am an avid shooter, and I do not regret taking the shot, but I do regret how it turned out. I have to thank mud for his graciousness. As mentioned, we have opened a line of communication which probably would have never occurred. I was completely in the wrong and I have no excuse. I did have permission to hunt the neighboring acreage. Mud and I made a plan to help each other in watching the local herd in order to maximize each others success. I am planning on taking this negative situation and turning it into something positive. If anybody has any other questions or concerns for me, I am always open for a PM.
Post by: 257wbymagkiller on September 15, 2016, 06:48:27 PM
I appreciate everyone's concern. One of the folks on the camera came to me on Tuesday. All is well now that there's an open line of communication and perspective. As was my original intent, not to publicly embarrass anyone. Hopefully this serves as a public service reminding others to be neighborly. It can go a long way! Thankfully, he's a guy with good intentions and this didn't get blown out of proportion! :)
To be clear, my cameras have been up the better part of 2 years and these folks were never on them before this incident. Extenuating circumstances and some assumptions on my part were the root of the entire ordeal.
Thanks again to everyone!
In order to clear the air and hopefully rest this topic, I am the now infamous trespasser. I met up with mud last night and as he requested, we shared a couple beers and laughs about the entire ordeal, including my girlfriends trail cam selfies. I was unable to recover the bull, and it still doesn't sit well with me. I am an avid shooter, and I do not regret taking the shot, but I do regret how it turned out. I have to thank mud for his graciousness. As mentioned, we have opened a line of communication which probably would have never occurred. I was completely in the wrong and I have no excuse. I did have permission to hunt the neighboring acreage. Mud and I made a plan to help each other in watching the local herd in order to maximize each others success. I am planning on taking this negative situation and turning it into something positive. If anybody has any other questions or concerns for me, I am always open for a PM.
True man right here well said, glad to see this all got worked out :tup:
Post by: Bob33 on September 15, 2016, 07:09:01 PM
Post by: huntnphool on September 15, 2016, 09:13:18 PM
I appreciate everyone's concern. One of the folks on the camera came to me on Tuesday. All is well now that there's an open line of communication and perspective. As was my original intent, not to publicly embarrass anyone. Hopefully this serves as a public service reminding others to be neighborly. It can go a long way! Thankfully, he's a guy with good intentions and this didn't get blown out of proportion! :)
To be clear, my cameras have been up the better part of 2 years and these folks were never on them before this incident. Extenuating circumstances and some assumptions on my part were the root of the entire ordeal.
Thanks again to everyone!
In order to clear the air and hopefully rest this topic, I am the now infamous trespasser. I met up with mud last night and as he requested, we shared a couple beers and laughs about the entire ordeal, including my girlfriends trail cam selfies. I was unable to recover the bull, and it still doesn't sit well with me. I am an avid shooter, and I do not regret taking the shot, but I do regret how it turned out. I have to thank mud for his graciousness. As mentioned, we have opened a line of communication which probably would have never occurred. I was completely in the wrong and I have no excuse. I did have permission to hunt the neighboring acreage. Mud and I made a plan to help each other in watching the local herd in order to maximize each others success. I am planning on taking this negative situation and turning it into something positive. If anybody has any other questions or concerns for me, I am always open for a PM.
:tup:
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on September 16, 2016, 10:22:47 AM
Post by: Angry Perch on September 16, 2016, 10:38:13 AM
Mud for President!
Post by: mud on September 16, 2016, 12:31:39 PM
I would never have asked him to step out of the shadows like he did on here though. Speaks volumes of his character.
Edit: Just wanted to add that I tried to delete this thread yesterday to eliminate all this ruckus, to no avail. I was only able to edit my posts, so I took down the censored pic of the ppl.
Post by: cavemann on September 16, 2016, 01:23:37 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on September 16, 2016, 01:39:36 PM
A thread titled trespassers and two people being shown to have great character and integrity! :yike:
:IBCOOL:
Love it.....
Post by: Rainier10 on September 16, 2016, 02:27:53 PM
I would say this case is not the norm and it is actually refreshing to see one that ends this way.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on September 16, 2016, 02:30:29 PM