Post by: h20hunter on September 17, 2016, 05:57:47 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on September 17, 2016, 06:09:31 PM
I would build my own using Aero upper, lower and bolt carrier group and a Criterion or JP barrel.
I would also consider .260,6.5 Creedmoor, 338Fed or 358 Win instead of .308.
Range is up to you. :chuckle:
Post by: EmeraldBullet on September 17, 2016, 06:28:25 PM
Post by: h20hunter on September 17, 2016, 06:29:44 PM
Post by: yorketransport on September 17, 2016, 09:05:04 PM
This should be fun....
I would build my own using Aero upper, lower and bolt carrier group and a Criterion or JP barrel.
I would also consider .260,6.5 Creedmoor, 338Fed or 358 Win instead of .308.
Range is up to you. :chuckle:
That's pretty good advise as long as you ignore the 260 and 6.5 CM. That is, of course, unless vanilla ice cream is your thing.... :chuckle: I love the idea of a 338 Federal though. If you had a suppressor you could run 300gr SMKs over a case full of TrailBoss powder for a very cool subsonic hunting rig.
I built my hunting AR last year and once I get some minor kinks worked out it should make a critter killing machine. Having a fondness for the obscure, I ended up with a 6.5 BRX. With a little (or maybe a lot :rolleyes:) of help from Gunsmith X I ended up with an AR for a guy (me) who hates ARs.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi162.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft260%2Fcollegekidandy%2F5032911D-C4B3-469A-A5EE-40613EA0CA5A.jpg&hash=d963c63bf617ef78ec388ab4f41ddbc32e26c1e1) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/collegekidandy/media/5032911D-C4B3-469A-A5EE-40613EA0CA5A.jpg.html)
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The most important question, how far do you want to hunt with it? :peep: :stirthepot:
Post by: h20hunter on September 17, 2016, 09:19:36 PM
Post by: jasnt on September 18, 2016, 08:10:04 AM
Post by: h20hunter on September 18, 2016, 08:18:12 AM
Post by: h20hunter on September 18, 2016, 08:42:46 AM
Rock River Arms - Hyatt Gun Store
https://www.hyattgunstore.com/rock-river-arms-lar-8-varmint-a4-2015-308-rifle-26-heavy-ss-barrel.html
Post by: Thefisherman83 on September 18, 2016, 09:01:45 AM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on September 18, 2016, 09:11:04 AM
Hmmmm.
Rock River Arms - Hyatt Gun Store
https://www.hyattgunstore.com/rock-river-arms-lar-8-varmint-a4-2015-308-rifle-26-heavy-ss-barrel.html
I've worked on those.
One, we had to replace the barrel because it wouldn't shoot and one had mag issues.
It uses a *censored*ized BHO system borrowed from the FAL and proprietary barrel nut threads.
And 26" bull barrels are a major drag. I would go with a 18 or 20 tube that's .750 at gasblock.
Post by: fly-by on September 18, 2016, 09:14:50 AM
They are great for predator calling but I really don't like to hoof them around for much else.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on September 18, 2016, 09:15:57 AM
how difficult is it to find parts for a build like that? And also why's it like forming brass? That chrono picture has my interest! :chuckle:This should be fun....
I would build my own using Aero upper, lower and bolt carrier group and a Criterion or JP barrel.
I would also consider .260,6.5 Creedmoor, 338Fed or 358 Win instead of .308.
Range is up to you. :chuckle:
That's pretty good advise as long as you ignore the 260 and 6.5 CM. That is, of course, unless vanilla ice cream is your thing.... :chuckle: I love the idea of a 338 Federal though. If you had a suppressor you could run 300gr SMKs over a case full of TrailBoss powder for a very cool subsonic hunting rig.
I built my hunting AR last year and once I get some minor kinks worked out it should make a critter killing machine. Having a fondness for the obscure, I ended up with a 6.5 BRX. With a little (or maybe a lot :rolleyes:) of help from Gunsmith X I ended up with an AR for a guy (me) who hates ARs.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi162.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft260%2Fcollegekidandy%2F5032911D-C4B3-469A-A5EE-40613EA0CA5A.jpg&hash=d963c63bf617ef78ec388ab4f41ddbc32e26c1e1) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/collegekidandy/media/5032911D-C4B3-469A-A5EE-40613EA0CA5A.jpg.html)
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi162.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft260%2Fcollegekidandy%2F9612FED1-9660-451A-9CF4-86EEB41EAF83.jpg&hash=0aa76cb48d385d21e32f1387f672b08033921479) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/collegekidandy/media/9612FED1-9660-451A-9CF4-86EEB41EAF83.jpg.html)
The most important question, how far do you want to hunt with it? :peep: :stirthepot:
Post by: DJ_Mack on September 18, 2016, 10:11:03 AM
Post by: yorketransport on September 18, 2016, 10:13:14 AM
how difficult is it to find parts for a build like that? And also why's it like forming brass? That chrono picture has my interest! :chuckle:This should be fun....
I would build my own using Aero upper, lower and bolt carrier group and a Criterion or JP barrel.
I would also consider .260,6.5 Creedmoor, 338Fed or 358 Win instead of .308.
Range is up to you. :chuckle:
That's pretty good advise as long as you ignore the 260 and 6.5 CM. That is, of course, unless vanilla ice cream is your thing.... :chuckle: I love the idea of a 338 Federal though. If you had a suppressor you could run 300gr SMKs over a case full of TrailBoss powder for a very cool subsonic hunting rig.
I built my hunting AR last year and once I get some minor kinks worked out it should make a critter killing machine. Having a fondness for the obscure, I ended up with a 6.5 BRX. With a little (or maybe a lot :rolleyes:) of help from Gunsmith X I ended up with an AR for a guy (me) who hates ARs.
The most important question, how far do you want to hunt with it? :peep: :stirthepot:
Imagine trying to find not one, but 2 unicorns. That's easier than finding the necessary bolt head and extension these days. :chuckle: AR 15 Performance was making them, but not any more. He does have a new version that he calls the 750XD bolt head that looks very comparable.
Post by: NW-GSP on September 18, 2016, 10:14:12 AM
Post by: Becky on September 18, 2016, 01:28:46 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on September 18, 2016, 01:46:40 PM
Post by: h20hunter on September 27, 2016, 10:21:52 AM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on September 27, 2016, 10:26:42 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 27, 2016, 11:08:10 AM
.375 SOCOM
That would be an awesome big game AR. Could I switch out the upper on my 6.5 Grendel with a .375 upper? Any idea on a general cost with a fluted 24" barrel?
Post by: jay.sharkbait on September 27, 2016, 11:17:40 AM
.375 SOCOM
That would be an awesome big game AR. Could I switch out the upper on my 6.5 Grendel with a .375 upper? Any idea on a general cost with a fluted 24" barrel?
You could switch back and forth.
I think the best barrel length will be 16"-18" and would give a nice light hunting AR.
There is also talk of a 338 version with 180's going around 2600. These will require the ARP bolt and extension.
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 27, 2016, 01:01:00 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on September 27, 2016, 03:52:17 PM
Would that short of a barrel still have the accuracy out to 500? Thanks! :tup:
Barrel length has nothing to do with accuracy.
Speed yes and with iron sights yes due to a longer sight radius.
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 27, 2016, 09:03:39 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on September 27, 2016, 09:10:12 PM
Post by: mountainman on September 27, 2016, 09:23:31 PM
actually, shorter barrels can sometimes be more accurate, due to increased stiffness as the barrel is shortened as oscilation cycle is shortened.Would that short of a barrel still have the accuracy out to 500? Thanks! :tup:
Barrel length has nothing to do with accuracy.
Speed yes and with iron sights yes due to a longer sight radius.
Post by: grundy53 on September 27, 2016, 09:36:51 PM
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Post by: CastleRocker on September 27, 2016, 10:00:24 PM
If you want something BIG in an AR, look at POF's new one. It's a 300 WM. Personally, I couldn't afford that one. On top of that the magazines are supposed to hold 18 rounds. I don't think I need to pack around a box of shells with me!
Mike at DTech builds a great upper. His uppers show up on Predator Masters forum from time to time. (That's where I got mine). He has several different chamberings, some commercial, some of his own. He's a one man operation, so you know quality control will never be lacking.
Post by: h20hunter on September 29, 2016, 05:23:40 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on September 29, 2016, 07:34:51 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on October 01, 2016, 05:05:36 PM
Let's see if it works now
7.62x51 FN Herstal 10 with 4-16 x 42 Vortex
There is a LONG story behind this that I will type up again soon ( already did with first try)
Post by: Thefishguy77 on October 03, 2016, 08:30:35 AM
I run burger hunting hybrid hunting bullets out of my .308. They have a great BC down range and shoot 1/4-1/2 minute out of my rifle. (Larue tOBR). With a solid rest and light winds I will shoot on an elk out to about 500m knowing I am going to make a good shot. During the summer I shoot the same load out over 800m but I don't feel confident getting wind and range for a good 1st shot kill at that distance.
The .260 shoot flatter and hits harder than then.308. Want to get a .260 barrel for my tOBR next. Hope this helps more than it confuses.
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Post by: ebusa on October 03, 2016, 09:12:11 AM
Post by: blacktaill on October 04, 2016, 05:31:47 PM
Post by: superdown on October 04, 2016, 05:57:31 PM
Post by: bullfisher on October 04, 2016, 06:46:51 PM
Very happy with the black hole weponry barrel.
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 05, 2016, 05:57:55 AM
Post by: bullfisher on October 05, 2016, 05:51:05 PM
Post by: ebusa on October 05, 2016, 07:34:52 PM
I'm torn about how to set up the sling for her on it though. Any suggestions for comfortable and safe hunting carry with a sling would be appreciated.
I've hunted with AR's for many years. I use a 2 pt sling and its great. Viking VTAC or Magpul 2 pt sling.
You end up wearing the rifle not carrying it. All the weight is on your shoulders and it allows you to glass, take a leak, etc hands free. Works good with pack too! Keeps rifle at the ready and can be slung and sinched on you back if needed. Here's a pic of me and my 450 Bushmaster hunting a few years ago to give you the idea..
VTAC vid
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=viking+vtac+sling&&view=detail&mid=D41B3C099F590FA75807D41B3C099F590FA75807&FORM=VRDGAR
Post by: jay.sharkbait on October 05, 2016, 08:33:50 PM
I'll use HK snap hooks and loops so I can change it remove etc.
Lousy pic of a loop.
Post by: fly-by on October 05, 2016, 08:49:46 PM
I'm torn about how to set up the sling for her on it though. Any suggestions for comfortable and safe hunting carry with a sling would be appreciated.
I've hunted with AR's for many years. I use a 2 pt sling and its great. Viking VTAC or Magpul 2 pt sling.
You end up wearing the rifle not carrying it. All the weight is on your shoulders and it allows you to glass, take a leak, etc hands free. Works good with pack too! Keeps rifle at the ready and can be slung and sinched on you back if needed. Here's a pic of me and my 450 Bushmaster hunting a few years ago to give you the idea..
VTAC vid
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=viking+vtac+sling&&view=detail&mid=D41B3C099F590FA75807D41B3C099F590FA75807&FORM=VRDGAR
+1 on VTAC.. Light, comfortable, very flexible. I run them on all my ARs and some bolt guns. Add a D-ring and a cuff for lots of stability.
Post by: actionshooter on October 05, 2016, 09:07:12 PM
Post by: CP on October 06, 2016, 06:55:40 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 06, 2016, 06:57:05 AM
Post by: bullfisher on October 06, 2016, 09:31:11 AM
Post by: h20hunter on October 06, 2016, 04:03:45 PM
Post by: scottcrb on October 06, 2016, 04:14:46 PM
Post by: actionshooter on October 07, 2016, 09:38:54 PM
Good product videos for v-tac. Thanks guys, im sold.you won't be disappointed!
Post by: Special T on October 07, 2016, 09:46:05 PM
I'll second the two point.You have the best flash hider made!
I'll use HK snap hooks and loops so I can change it remove etc.
Lousy pic of a loop.
Post by: lamrith on October 08, 2016, 05:41:39 AM
Yeah I love the Vtac as well. Hunted a week in AZ with my Grendel and I had it slung in front like that. worked VERY VERY well with a pack on my back moving thru ocatillo and cactus. I liked having the gun in front as it was easier to always maintain muzzle control as well as make sure it was not getting just hammered by brush as you move thru. One hand on front of magwell combined with the sling and you pretty much have full control of your rifle. plus as mentioned, instantly ready if you bust something out of the brush.I'm torn about how to set up the sling for her on it though. Any suggestions for comfortable and safe hunting carry with a sling would be appreciated.
I've hunted with AR's for many years. I use a 2 pt sling and its great. Viking VTAC or Magpul 2 pt sling.
You end up wearing the rifle not carrying it. All the weight is on your shoulders and it allows you to glass, take a leak, etc hands free. Works good with pack too! Keeps rifle at the ready and can be slung and sinched on you back if needed. Here's a pic of me and my 450 Bushmaster hunting a few years ago to give you the idea..
VTAC vid
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=viking+vtac+sling&&view=detail&mid=D41B3C099F590FA75807D41B3C099F590FA75807&FORM=VRDGAR
Post by: h20hunter on October 09, 2016, 06:55:27 PM
Post by: bullfisher on October 10, 2016, 11:48:43 AM
Well, we are officially off to the races. I'm working with Titan Firearms out of Arlington. We are shooting for a 6 month from today completion date. Should be closer to 3 but you never know and we have time. Going with .308 and using aero precision for lower and basic upper. Barrel manufacturer will be decided based on what is out there, quality, then on price. Trigger he suggests is made by Geissele. Break and extras will be figured out as we go. For glass I'm being recommended a Leupold Mark 4 LR/T. I think I'm in good hands and am looking forward to helping with the process. Once done I get a tshirt, a day at the range with the new rifle, and what should be one mean shooter.:tup: That will be my next one!
Though I think I'll go with the 6.5 creedmoor. Shot a couple boxes out of the grendel yesterday. Love the block hole weaponry barrel, its a laser.
Post by: h20hunter on October 10, 2016, 06:15:38 PM
Post by: yorketransport on October 11, 2016, 05:26:37 AM
Man, I thought I knew at least a bit about scopes....nope! Mil dots vs moa and this and that! Got a lot of reading to do before I can make a decision.
If you're looking at the MK 4 scopes, consider either a TMR or T-MOA reticle. They're a better option than Mil dots. Same idea just with hash marks instead of dots. Don't rule out the sightron scopes either. I prefer the sightrons to my Mk4s in some applications and they're typically less expensive.
Post by: JohnVH on October 12, 2016, 09:25:45 AM
Post by: h20hunter on October 12, 2016, 07:15:10 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on October 12, 2016, 07:29:29 PM
Well, scope ordered and I think we are just going to get ahead a bit of any panic buying that may have already begun. My builder is doing what he can and is working with Aero Precision on upper/lower. They are crazy busy but we hope to have our order in a few weeks, 4 to 6 at the most. Fingers crossed. Looks like the stock will be the Mag Pull with the adjustable cheek plate. Still don't have a barrel picked out but we have only been at it 3 days so not worried.
That buttstock is very heavy.... just FYI. Maybe look at a SOPMOD stock or M110 and pair that with the correct ring height?
Criterion makes a fantastic barrel that is chambered for 118
http://criterionbarrels.com/barrels/.308_AR/ar-10-hybrid
Post by: h20hunter on October 12, 2016, 08:04:18 PM
Post by: hunter399 on October 12, 2016, 09:05:41 PM
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Post by: h20hunter on October 12, 2016, 09:13:06 PM
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Post by: h20hunter on October 15, 2016, 07:52:52 PM
Post by: h20hunter on October 23, 2016, 03:45:06 PM
Post by: h20hunter on November 02, 2016, 06:37:46 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on November 02, 2016, 06:40:37 PM
Ugh, the hurry up and wait game is killing me! We have ordered and are waiting on the matched upper and lower from Aero. Its on the way and I'm just happy we are a bit ahead of the curve when it comes to component availability. Barrel looks like we are going to look into the one Aero has that is a Ballistics Advantage product. My smith hears good things and recommends it so I'm going with his suggestion. Also, looking into having an engraving done on the magwell. My grandfather was in WW2 and was a tank buster. He passed away July 4th about 8 years ago. He didn't ever talk much about his service and it wasn't until he was gone that I ever knew about his decorations and service. Anyway, he was a good man. I'm thinking that pre-cerakote we have some engraving done of his patch. A tribute of sorts. Here is the patch.
If you don't have a DXF or CAD file for the patch, I'd be happy to do it for you.
Post by: h20hunter on November 02, 2016, 06:43:42 PM
Post by: jasnt on November 02, 2016, 08:16:51 PM
Post by: lamrith on November 03, 2016, 07:39:18 AM
Ugh, the hurry up and wait game is killing me! We have ordered and are waiting on the matched upper and lower from Aero. Its on the way and I'm just happy we are a bit ahead of the curve when it comes to component availability. Barrel looks like we are going to look into the one Aero has that is a Ballistics Advantage product. My smith hears good things and recommends it so I'm going with his suggestion. Also, looking into having an engraving done on the magwell. My grandfather was in WW2 and was a tank buster. He passed away July 4th about 8 years ago. He didn't ever talk much about his service and it wasn't until he was gone that I ever knew about his decorations and service. Anyway, he was a good man. I'm thinking that pre-cerakote we have some engraving done of his patch. A tribute of sorts. Here is the patch.
Contact Trevor @ Hyperion Precision. He is in Kent, and does customer laser engraving. He can probably help you get that image into a format so his engraver can make it look really good. I have had him do all my engraving and he is usually open on Sat so you can get it done on a weekend. He took this color image and converted it and engraved it on this lower. He even gave me a few variations with inverting what was engraved and what was not. Just get him the image ahead of time and let him know what you are looking to do and he will start getting you samples and arrange a day/time to get hte work done.
Hyperion Precision, LLC
(253) 470-8197
contact@hyperionprecision.com
http://www.facebook.com/hyperionprecision
Post by: bullfisher on November 03, 2016, 03:49:28 PM
Ugh, the hurry up and wait game is killing me! We have ordered and are waiting on the matched upper and lower from Aero. Its on the way and I'm just happy we are a bit ahead of the curve when it comes to component availability. Barrel looks like we are going to look into the one Aero has that is a Ballistics Advantage product. My smith hears good things and recommends it so I'm going with his suggestion. Also, looking into having an engraving done on the magwell. My grandfather was in WW2 and was a tank buster. He passed away July 4th about 8 years ago. He didn't ever talk much about his service and it wasn't until he was gone that I ever knew about his decorations and service. Anyway, he was a good man. I'm thinking that pre-cerakote we have some engraving done of his patch. A tribute of sorts. Here is the patch.That's some good stuff!
I recently picked up an AR10 pro fab lower and will hopefully get my upper tomorrow.
Funny thing, my uncle was in Patton's super six, the 603rd tank destroyers! Was awarded a bronze star in the field and a recipient of France's equivalent to the medal of honor which about 10K Americans have won. He passed about 5 years ago or so.
"Seek"
"Strike"
"Destroy"
Post by: h20hunter on November 03, 2016, 03:55:46 PM
Post by: h20hunter on November 05, 2016, 12:30:09 PM
Post by: h20hunter on November 06, 2016, 08:25:26 AM
Now, suggestions about a pack. I know it is going to be heavy and a single over the shoulder sling may not be the best option. I've got some ideas for a split, over the shoulders harness and am also looking at packs with a build in scabbard for longer hauls.
Suggestions: Ebelstock? Other?
Post by: yorketransport on November 06, 2016, 09:00:33 AM
Buy an Eberlestock and don't look back. I've been carrying around a Gunslinger II every day for almost 2 years now. I use it as my daily "mobile office" when I'm not packing a gun in there. It's one of the only models with a scabbard wide enough to fit an AR with a tall optic mounted on there and it's perfect for my specialty pistols. As an added bonus, a laptop fits perfect in the scabbard. I call it my "tactical dweeb" bag. :chuckle:
They're heavy, but strong. I'll carry mine with the main compartment full of tools and parts while I'm working with my laptop and paperwork in the folded up rifle scabbard. The pack weighs over 40 # some days but still carries well even with the frame and hip belt removed.
The M5 Team Elk pack is very similar but it's made out of a different material and only comes in cammo, not solid colors.
Post by: Thefisherman83 on November 08, 2016, 10:27:26 AM
Post by: h20hunter on November 12, 2016, 07:37:07 PM
Hows she shoot?
Post by: Thefisherman83 on November 12, 2016, 09:15:34 PM
Post by: h20hunter on November 14, 2016, 06:06:59 PM
Post by: Thefisherman83 on November 15, 2016, 11:31:11 AM
Post by: h20hunter on November 17, 2016, 12:31:57 PM
Post by: Yondering on November 18, 2016, 01:49:19 PM
I weighed mine the other day just to see and it came in at 13.4lbs.
Wow, that one's got some weight to it, huh? Those PRS stocks are heavy though, and you're probably including the bipod in that too?
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 18, 2016, 03:02:47 PM
Post by: yorketransport on November 19, 2016, 07:30:54 AM
Eberstock Lodrag has arrived. Man thats a nice pack!
You'll love that pack. Now you just need to finish the gun! :chuckle:
Post by: Thefisherman83 on November 19, 2016, 01:21:39 PM
I weighed mine the other day just to see and it came in at 13.4lbs.
Wow, that one's got some weight to it, huh? Those PRS stocks are heavy though, and you're probably including the bipod in that too?
Yeah that was with a loaded 20rd mag as well. It doesn't help that it's a 20" heavy barrel. I didn't build this one to pack though. It's pretty much a bench gun.
Post by: h20hunter on November 20, 2016, 05:02:07 PM
Post by: Thefisherman83 on November 20, 2016, 07:18:54 PM
Ha! mine's 21.5
Holy crap! I guess mine is an ultralight then lol.
Post by: yorketransport on November 20, 2016, 07:32:12 PM
Post by: dreadi on November 20, 2016, 07:48:06 PM
Probably cost about $1200 before tools and supplies for Duracoat. I took a deer with it yesterday.
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Post by: Boss .300 winmag on November 20, 2016, 07:50:59 PM
Post by: h20hunter on November 20, 2016, 07:51:09 PM
Looks like you're ready to go. It's a shame it's such a boring caliber! :chuckle:
Yep, boring 308. Now I'm really antsy . Just gotta wait now
Post by: actionshooter on November 20, 2016, 09:24:26 PM
Post by: full choke on November 20, 2016, 09:35:10 PM
I built a 6.8 SPC from an 80% Arms upper and lower, ARP 18" barrel, Vortex 3-12x scope, BCM LPK Stock Grip and Forearm. Did the Duracoat myself and wrapped the scope with camo wrap. Shoots less than half inch groups at 200yds and makes a nice little "Tink" sound 400yds on steel.
Probably cost about $1200 before tools and supplies for Duracoat. I took a deer with it yesterday.
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Great job on the Durocoating! :tup:
Post by: dreadi on November 20, 2016, 09:39:25 PM
First 50 loaded up. 45 gr varget, 168gr sierra matchkings. Just a gnats hair under 2.8 oal as my calipers are not super accurate.Myself and some other hunters that I've hunted with all use the same load for .308
165gr Sierra Game King 43.5gr IMR-4064 2.81" COL
Post by: dreadi on November 20, 2016, 09:40:29 PM
I built a 6.8 SPC from an 80% Arms upper and lower, ARP 18" barrel, Vortex 3-12x scope, BCM LPK Stock Grip and Forearm. Did the Duracoat myself and wrapped the scope with camo wrap. Shoots less than half inch groups at 200yds and makes a nice little "Tink" sound 400yds on steel.
Probably cost about $1200 before tools and supplies for Duracoat. I took a deer with it yesterday.
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Great job on the Durocoating! :tup:
Dang, that 6.8 looks good
Thank you, both.
Post by: Special T on November 20, 2016, 10:10:29 PM
Post by: Special T on November 20, 2016, 10:11:35 PM
Post by: h20hunter on November 23, 2016, 09:28:46 AM
168gr Amax or 168gr ELD?
I want a tipped hunting round and am impressed with the ELD.
Post by: Yondering on November 23, 2016, 09:56:18 AM
Ok....
168gr Amax or 168gr ELD?
I want a tipped hunting round and am impressed with the ELD.
My understanding is the Amax has become the ELD bullet now; Hornady says they are the same thing with a different new tip. I haven't looked at the 168 30 cal, but in other sizes, Hornady has discontinued the Amax if they are selling the new ELD version. There are still some Amax options that don't have an ELD replacement yet though, at least as of a month or two ago.
The ELD-X is a different bullet though, not quite the same as the ELD.
Clear as mud?
Post by: h20hunter on November 23, 2016, 10:00:58 AM
Post by: h20hunter on December 08, 2016, 12:32:39 PM
Post by: h20hunter on December 11, 2016, 03:19:16 PM
I loaded up a few 168gr A-max to compliment the matchkings. Makes a good looking round and will be a fun one to test. I'm concerned about the length of the 178gr Eld x and having a slightly compressed load. For early loading and testing I'm sticking purely with the 168's.
Trigger installed and tested at a very crisp 3.5 lbs.
Post by: Yondering on December 12, 2016, 10:24:43 AM
Post by: h20hunter on December 21, 2016, 06:55:46 PM
Post by: hunter399 on December 21, 2016, 06:59:26 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 22, 2016, 07:12:02 AM
Post by: h20hunter on December 22, 2016, 11:16:34 AM
Post by: Buckmark on December 22, 2016, 11:51:22 AM
Nice, you going back to the dark side?
Post by: h20hunter on December 22, 2016, 12:02:45 PM
:chuckle:
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 22, 2016, 12:06:33 PM
Thanks Pman....itchy to get my hands on it.
Walgreens has a cream for that.
Post by: yorketransport on December 22, 2016, 08:55:40 PM
Post by: h20hunter on December 22, 2016, 09:10:17 PM
Had some good reports today. My smith was out at the range with his gun....same barrel, my loads. He is a far better shot than I and yes, of course its not my rifle....but.....my test rounds were holding a half inch group at 100m and he shot a half inch 3 shot group at 300m. Gives me some good hope that my rounds are shooting as I expect them to. Next time out we will take my now proven rounds and my new rifle and see what we can get done.
Post by: Antlershed on December 24, 2016, 06:00:47 AM
Post by: h20hunter on January 03, 2017, 08:48:33 PM
Post by: Yondering on January 04, 2017, 03:20:01 PM
I'd guess your gunsmith is on top of getting the gas system tuned for your loads, but if not, that's a big factor in making these shoot easily too. Seems that a lot of 308 AR barrels come over-gassed, so ejection is harsh even to the point of ripping case rims off in some guns, but restricting the gas down takes care of it nicely. They can be a real *censored*cat to shoot when tuned right.
Post by: h20hunter on January 07, 2017, 04:42:23 PM
Titan Firearms, builder was Seth Bullock
.308 Win
Aero Precision M5E1 upper
Aero Precision M5 lower, stripped
Leupold Mark 4.5x14x50mm LR/T M1 Mildot
Aero Precision charging handle and BCD
M5 buffer kit/lenhanced lower kit
Aero Scope mount
Ballistics Advantage via Aero 18 Stainless match barrel
VG6 Gamma 762 break
Black Rain Ordnance drop in trigger
Like I said....could not be more pleased with this build. Shoots great, is a bit lighter than I expected, and is going to be deadly in the field.
Post by: h20hunter on January 08, 2017, 10:16:43 AM
If anyone is interested I'd be happy to provide more information. If you are considering having a build done....AR or bolt I would highly recommend Titan Firearms. They are easy to work with, very straightforward, and frankly I think a little underpriced!
Post by: yorketransport on January 08, 2017, 05:33:53 PM
Post by: h20hunter on January 08, 2017, 05:34:49 PM
Post by: hunter399 on January 08, 2017, 05:44:19 PM
Post by: yorketransport on January 08, 2017, 06:00:22 PM
The cantilever scope mount is to put scope off the rail enough to grab your chargeing handle better.but I have both regular rings and his type on my ar's, so it's what ever feels better to you,but they both work just as good .
That actually makes a lot of sense. Mine's a side charger so I guess it's never really been an issue.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 08, 2017, 06:24:14 PM
Here is a little better picture to go with your second cup of coffee this morning.
If anyone is interested I'd be happy to provide more information. If you are considering having a build done....AR or bolt I would highly recommend Titan Firearms. They are easy to work with, very straightforward, and frankly I think a little underpriced!
Very, very nice weapon....
How do you like that scope ? I just bought one for me 6.5x284 bolt gun..
Post by: h20hunter on January 08, 2017, 06:29:30 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 08, 2017, 06:33:33 PM
Scope is amazing. Ive got more into the glass than any other gun i own.
Oh, I know. This is my first real expensive scope...
Post by: jay.sharkbait on January 08, 2017, 06:33:56 PM
They are a necessary evil when using certain optics on AR15's and sometimes AR10's. They allow for proper eye relief and still be able to mount the base to the receiver and not on the HG (which is a big no-no).
I try to avoid them if at all possible. All I can think of is diving board when I look at them. I'm sure they are just fine like that but it still bugs me.
I don't think they do anything for charging handle use either. A conventional ring setup is the same in that regard. The oversized latches are meant to solve this problem and a sidecharger is the best way around this.
Post by: hunter399 on January 08, 2017, 07:18:24 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on January 08, 2017, 07:25:04 PM
I agree on the eye relief part , but also raises the scope for people that have a front sight post,and depending on your scopes eye relief you'll find yourself putting your scope over your charging handle.not everybody wants to buy a 100 dollor charge ing handle .
Extended latches are under 20.00 and putting yourself out of position on the rifle is counter productive.
It's best to keep the optic as close to bore centerline as possible. I'm not a big fan of cheek risers and will use scope ring height to give me a good cheek weld on an A2 or SOPMOD stock... but that's just me
Post by: yorketransport on January 08, 2017, 07:28:03 PM
Scope is amazing. Ive got more into the glass than any other gun i own.
Money well spent. I still like my MK 4 scopes better than my NXS. I'll take the MK 4 over a Vortex PST all day every day!
Post by: h20hunter on January 08, 2017, 07:29:10 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on January 08, 2017, 07:34:13 PM
The riser on mine is raised just a touch. The builder and I are similiar sized so virtually no ajustment was needed. However, as i shoot i can mess with things to see what i can improve for fit.
Hey, if it's working for you that's all that matters.
I was just trying to give some input for people who wish to build their own rig.
Post by: hunter399 on January 08, 2017, 07:37:02 PM
You do know your stuff I agree with ya,really on putting scope as close to the bore as possible,ya it all depends on the person and what's gonna fit better for them,if a ar scope mount will help them or not.I agree on the eye relief part , but also raises the scope for people that have a front sight post,and depending on your scopes eye relief you'll find yourself putting your scope over your charging handle.not everybody wants to buy a 100 dollor charge ing handle .
Extended latches are under 20.00 and putting yourself out of position on the rifle is counter productive.
It's best to keep the optic as close to bore centerline as possible. I'm not a big fan of cheek risers and will use scope ring height to give me a good cheek weld on an A2 or SOPMOD stock... but that's just me
Post by: h20hunter on January 08, 2017, 07:37:14 PM
Side note, my 168gr eld rounds punched a few holes in the plate. One went through and busted the weld on the ring in bsck. Pretty cool.
Post by: hunter399 on January 08, 2017, 07:40:03 PM
Post by: hunter399 on January 08, 2017, 07:54:52 PM
Post by: Yondering on January 08, 2017, 10:45:46 PM
I agree on the eye relief part , but also raises the scope for people that have a front sight post,and depending on your scopes eye relief you'll find yourself putting your scope over your charging handle.not everybody wants to buy a 100 dollor charge ing handle with oversized handles.
I think I can clear up some confusion here on AR scope mounts.
The purpose of a cantilever scope mount on an AR has nothing to do with the charging handle - it's to prevent having the front ring mounted on the handguard in front of the receiver. With some scopes, that is the only way to mount them correctly with conventional rings, hence the cantilever mount to avoid that.
Most AR15 scope mounts are cantilever style for that reason, although some more than others, and the one pictured is a little more on the extreme side, and doesn't need to be. Aero Precision makes that same mount with less cantilever, which I believe is a little more solid.
Most AR15 scope mounts are also a common height (1.54" IIRC) because that's what works for most people with typical AR15 stocks. Most people can't properly use a scope mounted down low against the rail on an AR because of facial structure, but if mounting it a little lower than standard AR height works for you, then go for it.
Post by: Yondering on January 08, 2017, 10:48:18 PM
Eld has arrived. Not sure i want to load the 178s for hunting as im concerned about a partially compressed load. I think ill look at the gameking and berger for a hunting round.
h20hunter, not sure why you're concerned about compressed loads, but thought I'd share this for you, from Hodgdon's website: http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/reloading-education/reloading-beginners/compressed-loads
"Hodgdon notes in its reloading data if the subject charge is a compressed load. A full case, or lightly compressed charge is an ideal condition for creating loads with the most uniform velocities and pressures, and oftentimes, producing top accuracy"
You can load 175 or 178gr bullets in your 308 with confidence, just follow published load data.
Post by: h20hunter on January 09, 2017, 12:32:08 PM
For the why I was concerned? Because ive only loaded for a few years now and want to do it right and safely.
Post by: Yondering on January 10, 2017, 09:39:00 AM
Post by: h20hunter on January 10, 2017, 10:05:19 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 10, 2017, 10:47:12 AM
Post by: h20hunter on January 22, 2017, 04:52:11 PM
Post by: h20hunter on February 25, 2017, 10:39:23 AM
I believe we are broken in and got any, if only a few, kinks worked out. First minor issue I had was the scope was not holding steady in the mounts. I contacted Aero and they suggested the proper type of loktite on their mounts. Did that, problem solved. Next, as I was working on loads I would occasionally have a round hang up in the gun. Turns out I was loading them just a touch long. I found that every now and then the bolt was not closing 100%. Adjusted my loads just a touch shorter and have had zero cycle or hanging up issues. The trigger is awesome and I'm getting used to it. The scope is dialed in and turrets are zeroed out. I've found that 165gr Nosler Accubonds pushed by 45.0 gr Varget is money. Best group is 3 shots at about 1/4 inch. My best rapid fire group off the bench was two shots dead on about 1/4 inch apart and my 3rd shot I pulled about 1/2 inch low. For me, being an average shooter, trying to shoot fast, I'm very happy. I'll attach a pic of an average 3 shot group at 100 yards. With a 100 zero shooting out to 250 on steel is almost mundane. Hold a few inches high on the plate and let it ring. Average velocity with my rounds is 2653 per the Crony. I'm only getting about 30 fps difference between the fastest and slowest. Again, I'm no expert but I feel pretty good about that range.
Post by: Skillet on February 25, 2017, 11:03:20 AM
Post by: TRD1911 on February 28, 2017, 01:23:34 PM
Who makes the top you're wearing in the bottom photo? Cool looking rifles too. Turned out great.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 27, 2017, 05:18:05 PM
Post by: h20hunter on October 27, 2017, 05:34:08 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 27, 2017, 06:07:42 PM
Heck of a shooter Camp. Did not get to bloody my 308, fingers crossed for Sunday.
I bought it for bear hunting and never used it. The 308 is a great caliber. That's why I want to sell it, along with some others to buy a Begara
14 HMR Hunter in 308 for Longrange shooting.
Post by: h20hunter on October 27, 2017, 06:56:33 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 27, 2017, 07:57:52 PM
Nice...as an average reloader the 308 is very versatile.
.......especially when you have all the reloading equipment and 5 pounds of Varget laying around.
Post by: h20hunter on October 27, 2017, 08:00:22 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 27, 2017, 09:00:45 PM
Perfect. If you saw above.....45.0 gr, 165 gr accubond for me. I like varget for 223 as well as 308.
I always used 168 VLD's for long-range, 2750fsp. I think I used 52 grains Varget, but not sure without looking it up.
Post by: actionshooter on October 27, 2017, 09:07:22 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 27, 2017, 09:11:45 PM
Glad you guys brought this thread back......so many positive aspects to hunting with an AR!
I thought it was kinda strange nobody had posted anything for 120 days..
Post by: actionshooter on October 27, 2017, 09:39:47 PM
I absolutely love hunting with my ARs,
This was a Christensen Arms CA10, suppressed, in .308, 1 shot with Hornady SST (at 50yds) put him down.
The night before my buddy killed his moose with a S&W M&P .308 at about a 100yds.
I'll be finishing out the deer season the next couple of days hunting blacktails in the timber w/ a DPMS 308.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 27, 2017, 09:46:37 PM
Post by: actionshooter on October 27, 2017, 09:51:58 PM
I've only hunted with my Rock River 223 for vermin and that's it. A dealer down here has a 30.06 and a 308 for sale. About $1400 each. I was wondering about the 30.06. Anyone ?What brand?
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 28, 2017, 07:11:00 AM
I've only hunted with my Rock River 223 for vermin and that's it. A dealer down here has a 30.06 and a 308 for sale. About $1400 each. I was wondering about the 30.06. Anyone ?What brand?
30.06 was a Diamondback or something and the 308 was a Sig, I think. I really didn't pay attention, the guy just pointed over his shoulder.
Post by: h20hunter on October 30, 2017, 09:16:38 AM
:tup:
Post by: h20hunter on April 24, 2018, 02:06:27 PM
Build sheet I believe is on page 8. I changed the scope mount out for a Spuhr.
Post by: Mongo Hunter on April 24, 2018, 02:17:15 PM
@Mongo Hunter
Build sheet I believe is on page 8. I changed the scope mount out for a Spuhr.
Thank you for the tag. you're actually pretty spot on with what I want. sounds like Aero bought/joint with BA so I think all their uppers come with the BA barrels now. The one gripe I'm hearing out of the Aero AR10's is the trigger, sounds like you solved that one too. THANK YOU!
Post by: h20hunter on April 24, 2018, 02:18:57 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on April 24, 2018, 02:41:41 PM
Post by: h20hunter on April 24, 2018, 02:45:05 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on April 25, 2018, 06:11:03 AM
I know very little about the AR platform...other than it being super scary and fun to shoot. For a close range weapon, a plain jane 308 would suit any hunting need I'd have. Having a belted big bore would be more awesomer though :tup:
Post by: hunter399 on April 25, 2018, 08:19:53 AM
Few pics.
Deer season pic1
After deer season pic2
Pic 3 is now
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 25, 2018, 08:24:23 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on April 25, 2018, 09:08:02 AM
What bullets you load in your 25/45 Sharps? Or do you buy loaded ammo?
Post by: hunter399 on April 25, 2018, 12:03:25 PM
87 grain hot cor soft point for deer
75 grain hollow points varminters for coyotes.
75 grain vmax for coyotes
The vmax I have to trim the tips down a bit to fit them in the mag.But all the other bullets fit well when loaded.And it's seems like I get the best accuracy when I use lake city brass.
PMan your friends 6.5 grendal looks good man. :tup:
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 25, 2018, 02:22:31 PM
Post by: h20hunter on October 08, 2018, 03:23:20 PM
My 308 thread from your time away.
Post by: Kc_Kracker on October 08, 2018, 03:33:12 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on October 08, 2018, 05:39:30 PM
A friend's 6.5 Grendel
I WANT ONE !!!