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Title: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: KillBilly on February 10, 2009, 06:26:17 AM
I am driving over to this meeting and will be staying over night at the Best Western Lincoln Inn & Suites in E-burg.
They still have openings for now.

I can take 2 more people with me comfortably. If you wish to leave out of the Lacey/Oly area early on the 6th, contact me at 360-451-7784 or PM me.
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: Shannon on February 10, 2009, 06:32:35 AM
I am going also but I don't need a ride. Thanks anyways. I bet more people show up then the building holds. A lot more people than they expect are going to show up. Who all is going?
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: norsepeak on February 10, 2009, 06:39:29 PM
I'm in +3.
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: luvtohnt on February 10, 2009, 06:49:29 PM
Is everyone coming over friday morning or thursday night?
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: colockumelk on February 10, 2009, 10:32:07 PM
I'm skipping school to be there.  We should all meet up prior to the meeting.  I recommend the buzz inn since it's close by.  That way we can grab some coffee and strategize and provide a unified front. 
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: MichaelJ on February 10, 2009, 10:39:37 PM
I'll be there friday but probably not till later in the day... not sure if I can skip classes or not... will talk with my profs...  My bro in law and sister and thier kids live there so thats where I'm staying.  I'd love to meet up with all you guys!  I'll be wearing my camo speak the language hat with black Idaho Vandals Logger Sports Arborwear Jacket (looks like a carhart).  Will be in Carhartts and Romeo's... lol

Michael
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: colockumelk on February 10, 2009, 11:14:12 PM
Might want to hide the Vandal stuff.  Otherwise a Wildcat might get ya. :chuckle:
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: billythekidrock on February 11, 2009, 05:32:26 AM
I'll be there friday but probably not till later in the day... not sure if I can skip classes or not... will talk with my profs...  My bro in law and sister and thier kids live there so thats where I'm staying.  I'd love to meet up with all you guys!  I'll be wearing my camo speak the language hat with black Idaho Vandals Logger Sports Arborwear Jacket (looks like a carhart).  Will be in Carhartts and Romeo's... lol

Michael

Maybe you can get credit? lol
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: JBar on February 11, 2009, 05:47:28 AM
What time does the meeting start on Friday? Not off work til 10:30 but I could be there by 12:30.
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: billythekidrock on February 11, 2009, 05:51:03 AM
Anyone have the agenda?
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: bowhuntin on February 11, 2009, 06:06:26 AM
Anyone have the agenda?

This link might be helpful.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/meetings.html
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: KillBilly on February 11, 2009, 07:51:54 AM
Anyone have the agenda?

This link might be helpful.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/meetings.html

March 6-7 is still in a TBA status
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: bowhuntin on February 11, 2009, 08:05:19 AM
Yeah, I noticed that after I posted. I guess we will just have to check back every so often to see if they have it posted.
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: luvtohnt on February 11, 2009, 08:14:06 AM
If you look at previous meetings they will probably start at the smae time 8:30 so I won't be able to make it Friday but I am going to try to be there on Saturday.
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: MichaelJ on February 11, 2009, 10:18:59 AM
Might want to hide the Vandal stuff.  Otherwise a Wildcat might get ya. :chuckle:

LoL! I went to CWU last year and I still got a couple sweatshirts!  I'll mix and match!  lol

Michael
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: WACATHUNTER on February 11, 2009, 10:49:59 AM
I'll be there Friday AM.
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: luvtohnt on February 11, 2009, 11:03:57 AM
Friday morning may be too early for most to meet. especially the ones driving a fair amount of distance. We should defiantly get together for dinner Friday night. I was thinking about a spaghetti feed but it makes me nervous as I can only host about 15 people total. I know the Buzz in is close but there is also the roadhouse grill right across the street from the Best Western. Let me know what everyone thinks.

Brandon
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: colockumelk on February 11, 2009, 11:09:55 AM
good idea.  In any case I heard that Friday is going to be a huge presentation put on by the WDFW.  Saturday is when we all get to say our piece.  So a Friday night dinner might be better.  Does the RoadHouse have a banquet hall?  I know the Buzz Inn does and we could easily reserve it.  It holds like 30 plus. 
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: WACATHUNTER on February 11, 2009, 11:14:51 AM
Lets go to Brandons!!!!
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: luvtohnt on February 11, 2009, 11:18:09 AM
That would be fine but like I said I can only acoidate about 15 people!

The roadhouse is in an old Red Robin so there is no banquet room, but the palace also has a room we could probably reserve. I have never been real fond of the Buzz Inn. If there are fewer than 15 that committ to it I will do a spaghetti feed.

Brandon
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: MichaelJ on February 11, 2009, 12:35:50 PM
The palace isn't bad but it'd be nice to have a place where we can socialize a little more...
Or we could go to dinner first then head somewhere's an raise a lil hell! lol

Michael
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: luvtohnt on February 11, 2009, 02:50:16 PM
Ok guys I just reserved the Manastash room at The Palace, for the 6th at 5:30. I told them it would be from 8-30 people aprox. so I need an official Head count ASAP.

Brandon
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: woodswalker on February 11, 2009, 02:53:50 PM
I'll likely be there.....so at 1 and poss 2 to the headcount
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: MichaelJ on February 11, 2009, 04:13:14 PM
Count me in!!!

Michael
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: colockumelk on February 11, 2009, 10:19:08 PM
I'll be there. 
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: KillBilly on February 12, 2009, 11:44:25 AM
I have word that Susan Yeager is working on the Agenda for the 6-7 meeting right now. It should be posted on the site http://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/meetings.html (http://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/meetings.html) by noon tomorrow. It may be sooner but noon is the deadline.
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: colockumelk on February 12, 2009, 11:31:12 PM
Anybody know what they want to ask.  For our Washington Sportsmen group I'm going to ask why the Native American's are not required to supply harvest data reports to the WDFW and how they can possibly hope to properly manage game without those reports if they don't know the effect they have on the herds.

Or Im going to ask why the tribes are allowed to hunt all year long off the reservations when the 1855 treaty says ......in common with the citizenry of the territory?  I also need to get with that "Eyes in the Woods" guy and see if he'll help get us some pictures of Indian poachers.
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: MichaelJ on February 13, 2009, 03:04:36 AM
Clockum, I'll back you up on that but can't provide much evidence...  I also want to know their thinking behind lowering the archery tags in WA for Chelan CO yet keeping the rifle tags the same... seems like they want to BF the archers of this state...   :twocents:

Michael
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: KillBilly on February 13, 2009, 03:32:17 PM
I can't say anymore than this: Rumor has it that the Agenda won't be out until Tuesday now. Here is how it may go. Very brief description:

Friday---Meeting opens at 8:30
Commision and director
Open to public
approx 11:00- Special seasons
                      Disabilities/opportunities
                      Hunter Ed
                      Small Game
                      Landowner Permits
                      Damage Prevention
                      Trapping Season & Regs
                      Big Game(sheep) & Wild Turkey
                      Closures & Boundary Regulations

Saturday 8:30      Non toxic Shot

                        9:30 - 9:45   Spring Black Bear
                                            Moose & Big Horn Mt. Goat
                        10:30            Black Bear & Cougar
                                            Equipment restrictions
                                            Deer Special Permits
                                            Elk Special Permits & Seasons

Very brief but I couldn't write fast enough to capture the rumors word by word.
It is rumored that this is what the Commission will approve. More detail on Tuesday 2/17.

On past Agendas it is stated that the public is only encouraged to comment on issues that are not on the agenda. I don't understand exactly how that works. Are they saying that the agenda items are already decided and not open for any further discussion?
                                           

                     
                     
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: Ridgerunner on February 13, 2009, 03:35:10 PM
I think that the revised proposals are supposed to come out next week sometime.  Will be interesting to see what changes. 
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: runamuk on February 13, 2009, 07:07:47 PM


On past Agendas it is stated that the public is only encouraged to comment on issues that are not on the agenda. I don't understand exactly how that works. Are they saying that the agenda items are already decided and not open for any further discussion?
                                           

                     
                     

Killbilly this is exactly what it means.....having attended a number of commission meetings (various types of commissions and boards) over the years if they even let you speak you are lucky, what often is neglected to be posted is how you must write in and sign up to speak beforehand....I witnessed a near lynching at a school board meeting once because not one of the 100 people who showed up was told they had to be ON THE LIST to speak...basically we all stood there hearing what they would do and could not do jack to stop it....
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: KillBilly on February 13, 2009, 07:23:08 PM
Quote
Killbilly this is exactly what it means.....having attended a number of commission meetings (various types of commissions and boards) over the years if they even let you speak you are lucky, what often is neglected to be posted is how you must write in and sign up to speak beforehand....I witnessed a near lynching at a school board meeting once because not one of the 100 people who showed up was told they had to be ON THE LIST to speak...basically we all stood there hearing what they would do and could not do jack to stop it....

I guess I am going to question my decision to go over then. I am not sure it is worthwhile to hear it if we have no opportunity to object. Has anyone on this site written in requesting to be put on the agenda to speak?
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: colockumelk on February 15, 2009, 10:46:28 AM
Might want to hide the Vandal stuff.  Otherwise a Wildcat might get ya. :chuckle:

LoL! I went to CWU last year and I still got a couple sweatshirts!  I'll mix and match!  lol

Michael

Sometimes it's good to go incognito.   :chuckle:  I wouldn't mind because I plan on getting my Masters from there but some of the other locals might not take too kindly to strangers.  Might have a lynching.   :chuckle:
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: colockumelk on February 15, 2009, 10:50:19 AM
I think we all need to show up anyways.  At least we can protests something.  It's time we got the WDFW attention and that we're not screwing around anymore.  We get jerked around because no one stands up to them.  Remember we OWN the WDFW not the other way around.  It's time we started to act like that.  I plan on bringing up the tribal issues.  If I can't speak then no big deal because I"m going to have signs etc protesting that stuff.  Oh yeah and I might accidentally tell some of the papers about it as well.  So we will get some media coverage. 
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: KillBilly on February 15, 2009, 02:24:46 PM
I think we all need to show up anyways.  At least we can protests something.  It's time we got the WDFW attention and that we're not screwing around anymore.  We get jerked around because no one stands up to them.  Remember we OWN the WDFW not the other way around.  It's time we started to act like that.  I plan on bringing up the tribal issues.  If I can't speak then no big deal because I"m going to have signs etc protesting that stuff.  Oh yeah and I might accidentally tell some of the papers about it as well.  So we will get some media coverage. 

I agree with you about a show of strength at least. From what I am being told, you/we don't get to protest unless we sign up and then it questionable. I am not sure how much reaction a room full of people Booing the commission will have but I have heard that they might just close the meeting and move on if things out of hand.

If you have experience at this and know what happens if the crowd gets excited, share with us the results and what we can expect.
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: runamuk on February 15, 2009, 06:10:10 PM
I think we all need to show up anyways.  At least we can protests something.  It's time we got the WDFW attention and that we're not screwing around anymore.  We get jerked around because no one stands up to them.  Remember we OWN the WDFW not the other way around.  It's time we started to act like that.  I plan on bringing up the tribal issues.  If I can't speak then no big deal because I"m going to have signs etc protesting that stuff.  Oh yeah and I might accidentally tell some of the papers about it as well.  So we will get some media coverage. 

I agree with you about a show of strength at least. From what I am being told, you/we don't get to protest unless we sign up and then it questionable. I am not sure how much reaction a room full of people Booing the commission will have but I have heard that they might just close the meeting and move on if things out of hand.

If you have experience at this and know what happens if the crowd gets excited, share with us the results and what we can expect.

Have what you want to say rehearsed so that you can calmly and forcefully state your opinion.  Avoid any sort of combative language or mudslinging. 
Having the crowd nod agreement and even voice agreement is good BUT you don't want big outbursts it will detract from your points. 
Best way to play this, have 3-4 of the most well spoken people sign up to speak and each cover a major issue with the crowd in agreement.  If there is more time for more speakers that is fine but try to play your best cards first and make a good impression.
I will say being politically correct is expected these days, I think it is time to toss the whole PC *censored* out the window, but it is expected.  I think you can be blunt and less PC if you are an engaging speaker who doesn't mudsling.

Worst case scenario, the crowd gets riled up and people will be forcibly removed.  If you saw any of the recent Seattle schools closures meeting's you will note that those who spoke out of turn and in a combative manner were removed.

The show of strength will make an impression so being there will have some impact, they might begin to notice we are watching.
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: actionshooter on February 15, 2009, 08:45:45 PM
I was thinking about going to express my displeasure with banning hunters from public land in August  :bash:
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: logger on February 15, 2009, 08:55:20 PM
I have a crewcab and can fit 4 or 5 guys in it, if you think iceman is the opinated one wait till they get aload of me, I got nothing to lose.
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: colockumelk on February 16, 2009, 06:02:03 PM
I have already rehearsed what I am going to ask and say about the Tribal hunting issue thing and why there is not accountability.  I didn't mean hijack the room and boo loudly at everything.  I meant protest like the hippies do.  With signs and billboards outside.  I also plan on informing them that there is now a group that is opposed to the Tribal Hunting and through PR is going to change that and change the WDFW so they are actually effective and not a bunch of turds.  That would be at the very end of my 3 minutes obviously. 
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: runamuk on February 16, 2009, 06:09:31 PM
I have already rehearsed what I am going to ask and say about the Tribal hunting issue thing and why there is not accountability.  I didn't mean hijack the room and boo loudly at everything.  I meant protest like the hippies do.  With signs and billboards outside.  I also plan on informing them that there is now a group that is opposed to the Tribal Hunting and through PR is going to change that and change the WDFW so they are actually effective and not a bunch of turds.  That would be at the very end of my 3 minutes obviously. 

I think protest signs, tee shirts, etc would be fine again as long as it isn't taken as an offensive or threatening position you should be fine.  On the other hand there has been a lot more citizen involvement recently in the whole political realm and they may be getting gun shy and perceive threats where there are none.  I kinda figured you'd be on top of the tribal issues  ;)
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: actionshooter on February 16, 2009, 06:15:12 PM
I have already rehearsed what I am going to ask and say about the Tribal hunting issue thing and why there is not accountability.  I didn't mean hijack the room and boo loudly at everything.  I meant protest like the hippies do.  With signs and billboards outside.  I also plan on informing them that there is now a group that is opposed to the Tribal Hunting and through PR is going to change that and change the WDFW so they are actually effective and not a bunch of turds.  That would be at the very end of my 3 minutes obviously. 

 :jacked:   Does the WDFW actually have anything to do with tribal hunting? I was never sure.  :jacked:
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: colockumelk on February 17, 2009, 02:26:51 PM
Since they are the ones in charge of game and have allowed them to do whatever then yes I would say they are to blame.  If they are not and their hands are tied then we will untie them and go after whoever is responsible for this.

Runamuk yeah it will totally be respectfull etc.  As the racial majority we can't be seen as disrespectfull or like we're attacking anyone.  If we do we will look like we are attacking the poor Indians and that we're just a bunch of racist rednecks with guns.  As much as I don't like the hippies most likely we will need their help to topple this subject.  We need to look as respectfull as possible and make this about game managment not race.  I hope I'm able to talk.  If I don't get in to talk oh well they'll get the message everytime they go in or out. 
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: KillBilly on February 17, 2009, 04:22:59 PM
Ok, the Agenda is formally published, see it here:


http://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/meetings/2009/03/agenda_mar0609.html (http://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/meetings/2009/03/agenda_mar0609.html)
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: saylean on February 17, 2009, 04:28:44 PM
Looks like I am showing up Saturday (black bear issues)...thanks for the posting.
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: ICEMAN on February 24, 2009, 05:48:55 AM
It's not about race, it's about hunting inequities.
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 25, 2009, 08:45:55 AM
I don't know if I would totally throw Ice in the racist pig catagory!! Cantankerous at times maybe!! :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: MichaelJ on February 25, 2009, 12:46:38 PM
So who's all gonna be there?  Who is all gonna be at dinner on friday?  My GF and I will be there...  Can't wait to meet ya'll!

Michael
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: woodswalker on February 25, 2009, 01:07:36 PM
I'm trying to make it there Friday night IF i can get off work at a decent time.
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: colockumelk on February 25, 2009, 08:47:55 PM
Me and my son will be there.  Promise. 
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: ICEMAN on February 25, 2009, 09:28:12 PM
I don't know if I would totally throw Ice in the racist pig catagory!! Cantankerous at times maybe!! :chuckle: :chuckle:


I have been called a pig many times....  :chuckle:
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: KillBilly on February 26, 2009, 08:44:21 AM
So who's all gonna be there?  Who is all gonna be at dinner on friday?  My GF and I will be there...  Can't wait to meet ya'll!

Michael

What time is the dinner again?  How long does it take to drive it from Oly to E-burg?
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: luvtohnt on February 26, 2009, 09:03:51 AM
Oly to Eburg is 3 hours in moderate traffic. I know as my GF parents live in Oly and I make the drive at least once a month. I think dinner was going to be after the meeting on Friday, that way those who attend will be able to join us. With only 8 people confirming they can't hold the entire room if they get busy but they said we will be seated in there and they will only seat other people in there if the restaurant gets busy.

Brandon 
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: KillBilly on February 26, 2009, 07:18:14 PM
Oly to Eburg is 3 hours in moderate traffic. I know as my GF parents live in Oly and I make the drive at least once a month. I think dinner was going to be after the meeting on Friday, that way those who attend will be able to join us. With only 8 people confirming they can't hold the entire room if they get busy but they said we will be seated in there and they will only seat other people in there if the restaurant gets busy.

Brandon 

I could confirm if I knew what time it was supposed to start. I will be leaving Lacey around 4:00. With 3 hrs travel, I won't be there until approx 7:00.
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: luvtohnt on February 26, 2009, 07:21:58 PM
so lets move it to 7 and you can meet us at the Palace.

Brandon
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: KillBilly on February 27, 2009, 04:46:07 AM
so lets move it to 7 and you can meet us at the Palace.

Brandon

I'm fine with that as long as everyone else is. It sounds good to me. It will be great to dine with other members.
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: billythekidrock on February 27, 2009, 06:03:44 AM
I would rather we make an adjustment to our schedule. Wouldn't want to hold people back from the feed trough.
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: MichaelJ on February 27, 2009, 01:06:57 PM
7 is great for me!  Can't wait to come and party/pig out with some of you guys!   ;)  You old guys might want to leave a little later though I'm sure us youngins will be rarin to rock it out... lol *Sarcasm laid on heavy*

Michael
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: Houndhunter on February 27, 2009, 02:26:13 PM
have fun, wish i could go hopefully some good will come out of these meetings
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: KillBilly on February 27, 2009, 02:40:18 PM
7 is great for me!  Can't wait to come and party/pig out with some of you guys!   ;)  You old guys might want to leave a little later though I'm sure us youngins will be rarin to rock it out... lol *Sarcasm laid on heavy*

Michael

We'll see who can hang and who can't
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: runamuk on February 28, 2009, 10:59:28 AM
wish i could go but I am working  :P

I can't wait to hear all about it though
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: bobcat on February 28, 2009, 11:08:12 AM
Can somebody bring a video camera and record the whole thing?  I'd like to see/hear at least parts of what is said.
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: billythekidrock on February 28, 2009, 06:21:05 PM
Can somebody bring a video camera and record the whole thing?  I'd like to see/hear at least parts of what is said.

I would if I had one small enough.
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: rougheye on February 28, 2009, 06:25:54 PM
Everyone should wear a t-shirt with their screen name on it  :chuckle:
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: ICEMAN on February 28, 2009, 08:54:15 PM
Everyone should wear a t-shirt with their screen name on it  :chuckle:

 :yike:  And risk being shot? No thanks.
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: MichaelJ on March 01, 2009, 08:21:14 PM
7 is great for me!  Can't wait to come and party/pig out with some of you guys!   ;)  You old guys might want to leave a little later though I'm sure us youngins will be rarin to rock it out... lol *Sarcasm laid on heavy*

Michael

We'll see who can hang and who can't

Haha we'll see!   ;)

Michael
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: Diehard0123 on March 02, 2009, 08:00:36 AM
I am a definite maybe, I need to talk things over with the wife.  I want to be there for both days but I don't know if I will be able to swing it.  Anyone have lodging info?
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: KillBilly on March 02, 2009, 05:31:23 PM
I am a definite maybe, I need to talk things over with the wife.  I want to be there for both days but I don't know if I will be able to swing it.  Anyone have lodging info?

Best western still had a few rooms on Sat. call 509-925-4244 and see if they still have any.
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: colockumelk on March 02, 2009, 06:38:36 PM
7 is great for me!  Can't wait to come and party/pig out with some of you guys!   ;)  You old guys might want to leave a little later though I'm sure us youngins will be rarin to rock it out... lol *Sarcasm laid on heavy*

Michael

We'll see who can hang and who can't

Damn.  I think I hear a challenge being given :chuckle:
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: actionshooter on March 02, 2009, 06:42:35 PM
I am a definite maybe, I need to talk things over with the wife.  I want to be there for both days but I don't know if I will be able to swing it.  Anyone have lodging info?

Best western still had a few rooms on Sat. call 509-925-4244 and see if they still have any.
I called and got a single, thanks Killbilly
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: Diehard0123 on March 02, 2009, 06:46:55 PM
Sounds like Its a no go for me :'( Things around here are too tight for me to afford it :bash:
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: billythekidrock on March 03, 2009, 06:01:13 AM
Sounds like Its a no go for me :'( Things around here are too tight for me to afford it :bash:

I hear ya, and things are tight all over, but I am afraid that we CAN"T afford not to go. I feel we are on a slippery slope and if we don't make some noise we will all be hating life as far as our outdoor life goes.
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: KillBilly on March 03, 2009, 06:08:38 AM
7 is great for me!  Can't wait to come and party/pig out with some of you guys!   ;)  You old guys might want to leave a little later though I'm sure us youngins will be rarin to rock it out... lol *Sarcasm laid on heavy*

Michael

We'll see who can hang and who can't

Damn.  I think I hear a challenge being given :chuckle:


Game on !!!!
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: MichaelJ on March 03, 2009, 03:24:13 PM
7 is great for me!  Can't wait to come and party/pig out with some of you guys!   ;)  You old guys might want to leave a little later though I'm sure us youngins will be rarin to rock it out... lol *Sarcasm laid on heavy*

Michael

We'll see who can hang and who can't

Damn.  I think I hear a challenge being given :chuckle:


Game on !!!!

Most likely!  Just sucks I got two mid terms on monday, two more on wednesday, and one on tuesday!!!  Gonna be a BUSY WEEK!!!!  Gonna have to get SOME studying done this weekend....

Michael
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: colockumelk on March 03, 2009, 08:23:27 PM
I hear you on that one.  I have a group project due on Monday and a paper due on monday.  Then on tuesday another group presentation.  I will be as busy as a one legged man in an ass kicking contest :chuckle: As the saying goes. 
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: MichaelJ on March 06, 2009, 10:42:00 AM
Cya boys in a little while!  You guys got phone numbers?
I'll PM my number to both Colockum and Killbilly...  We'll see you at the palace at 7 PM!  I'll probably be there a little earlier!

Michael
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: saylean on March 06, 2009, 10:46:22 AM
See ya'll in the morning. Safe travels.
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: MichaelJ on March 06, 2009, 05:13:27 PM
Well boys i'm in Ellensburg!  Cya shortly!  KillBilly we'll let you know what happens, too bad u couldn't make it over...

Michael
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: huntnphool on March 06, 2009, 05:16:21 PM
Give em hell boys
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: MichaelJ on March 07, 2009, 04:22:40 PM
Well I just got done with the meeting!  Me and Colockum we're the only huntwa members there that I know of...  Last night it was Me, Colockum, and Luv2Hunt at the palace for dinner... wonder where all you guys were at???   :dunno:

Overall I'm very impressed...  It really seems that we got a lot of messages through to the commission and it APPEARED that they are taking it under advisement... here are some stats and suspected changes...

Late Swakane archery; this was a huge issue.  Tons of ppl spoke about how they disagreed with closing it.  And even the WDFW stats showed that the buck harvest has been about the same from 2003-present, but the antlerless harvest has been through the roof the last two years.  There was a reported 700 hunters (roughly) last year in swakane.  I suspect that they will reopen the late archery season, but make it 3 point minimum and shorten the season by 5 days...  Thats only my speculation though.

Stevens and Pend Orielle County late whitetail hunts... Tons of public input about how they wanted to make it a 3 point minimum for the late whitetail hunt as the number of mature bucks is way down and with the young bucks breeding does on their 2nd and 3rd estrus cycles the fawn survival rate is extremely low...    Youth and Seniors and disabled hunters would still be able to harvest any buck.  This issue was probably split 80% for, 20% against if I had to guess.  But it seemed that even the commission agreed something had to be done...

Another issue was the colockum...  Aaron kicked ass and presented his case about how the true spike rule was too much too late and pointed out that the WDFW had to do something that they KNOW will work, not SUSPECT will work as the representative from the WDFW admitted about the true spike rule change.  Aaron brought up how the public survey actually favored PERMIT ONLY over the TRUE SPIKE RULE, and how they should consider going to permit only. If not then close down the roads...etc

The Vice Pres of the commision then directly asked Aaron if he would support a year or two long closure for all elk hunting in the Colockum if they decided to do so.  Aaron replied perfectly with an affirmative answer that he would get the support.  Two other guys also stood up and supported the closure and many in the room agreed.

There were other issues brought up but thats all off the top of my head... This meeting was delegated very nicely and was 90% about public input on the new proposals... I was quite happy with the results!   :IBCOOL:

We'll just see if the commission actually does something now!  If they don't then I truly believe they are worthless.  But from this meeting it seemed like they are wanting to do some good things...

Michael
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: Gobble Gobble on March 07, 2009, 05:10:30 PM
I'm still getting to know people on this site so, when you say "Aaron kicked @$$" the only one that comes to mind is Whitefoot. Is Colockums' name Aaron?

Speaking of Whitefoot what was the Native turnout and was the topic of Tribal hunting brought up?

Glad to hear it went well and the feeling of a positive and productive outcome.
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: MichaelJ on March 07, 2009, 06:33:43 PM
I'm still getting to know people on this site so, when you say "Aaron kicked @$$" the only one that comes to mind is Whitefoot. Is Colockums' name Aaron?

Speaking of Whitefoot what was the Native turnout and was the topic of Tribal hunting brought up?

Glad to hear it went well and the feeling of a positive and productive outcome.

Colockum's name is Aaron...  Also Whitefoot did show up and I was gonna meet him, but he took off before the meeting was over...  I know he was there during the elk issues discussions... 

Also one guy did bring up the tribal issue of not having the accountability that non tribal hunters had...  He urged the WDFW to work something out and that guestimating on 30-40 branched bulls is really hurting their ability to properly manage the herds...  That was all that was said about the colockum and tribal hunting on the Eastside...

Michael
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: norsepeak on March 07, 2009, 07:30:51 PM
Any conversation of the goat tags?
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: MichaelJ on March 07, 2009, 10:01:52 PM
Nope not that I heard of.  Maybe something was mentioned friday during the meeting but I only attended todays session...

Dang I expected more responses to this thread with my report...  :dunno:

Michael
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: colockumelk on March 07, 2009, 10:07:04 PM
Norse the only thing they talked about goats is this.  They want the ability to in mid-season switch a hunters tag from one area to another if they notice a decline in goats in one unit.  Or the ability to send them to a subherd.  Basically more flexibility in their harvests to keep the quality up.
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: colockumelk on March 07, 2009, 10:09:57 PM
Well I just got done with the meeting!  Me and Colockum we're the only huntwa members there that I know of...  Last night it was Me, Colockum, and Luv2Hunt at the palace for dinner... wonder where all you guys were at???   :dunno:

Overall I'm very impressed...  It really seems that we got a lot of messages through to the commission and it APPEARED that they are taking it under advisement... here are some stats and suspected changes...

Late Swakane archery; this was a huge issue.  Tons of ppl spoke about how they disagreed with closing it.  And even the WDFW stats showed that the buck harvest has been about the same from 2003-present, but the antlerless harvest has been through the roof the last two years.  There was a reported 700 hunters (roughly) last year in swakane.  I suspect that they will reopen the late archery season, but make it 3 point minimum and shorten the season by 5 days...  Thats only my speculation though.

Stevens and Pend Orielle County late whitetail hunts... Tons of public input about how they wanted to make it a 3 point minimum for the late whitetail hunt as the number of mature bucks is way down and with the young bucks breeding does on their 2nd and 3rd estrus cycles the fawn survival rate is extremely low...    Youth and Seniors and disabled hunters would still be able to harvest any buck.  This issue was probably split 80% for, 20% against if I had to guess.  But it seemed that even the commission agreed something had to be done...

Another issue was the colockum...  Aaron kicked ass and presented his case about how the true spike rule was too much too late and pointed out that the WDFW had to do something that they KNOW will work, not SUSPECT will work as the representative from the WDFW admitted about the true spike rule change.  Aaron brought up how the public survey actually favored PERMIT ONLY over the TRUE SPIKE RULE, and how they should consider going to permit only. If not then close down the roads...etc

The Vice Pres of the commision then directly asked Aaron if he would support a year or two long closure for all elk hunting in the Colockum if they decided to do so.  Aaron replied perfectly with an affirmative answer that he would get the support.  Two other guys also stood up and supported the closure and many in the room agreed.

There were other issues brought up but thats all off the top of my head... This meeting was delegated very nicely and was 90% about public input on the new proposals... I was quite happy with the results!   :IBCOOL:

We'll just see if the commission actually does something now!  If they don't then I truly believe they are worthless.  But from this meeting it seemed like they are wanting to do some good things...

Michael

Dude you must have a mind like a steal trap.  You didn't take down any notes and yet you still remembered all those stats.  Good on ya.  Oh woodswalker was the one who spoke about how they need to quite guessing about Tribal accountability and get start requiring some hard data.

The biologist for the Puyallup Tribe was there and they require accountability so the Yakama's really don't have a valid excuse for why they do not require the same thing.
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: MichaelJ on March 07, 2009, 10:14:50 PM
Thanks man!  I think I'm gonna re-post my account of the meeting in the general forum for more to see... not sure too many frequent this forum...

Michael
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: actionshooter on March 08, 2009, 09:47:33 AM
MJ, Thanks for the report. Was there any mention of the bear hunting on public land? I know they already revised the proposal, but was wondering if it even came up?
  I truly intended to be there (even had a room booked) but a week of being sick and the weather killed that plan.
Steve
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: MichaelJ on March 08, 2009, 10:07:11 AM
Ya bear hunting was talked about and it is STILL opening August 1st... just like in years past...   :IBCOOL:  Nobody  mentioned anything about the accidental death from that shooting last year...

Michael
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: billythekidrock on March 08, 2009, 12:24:00 PM
Ya bear hunting was talked about and it is STILL opening August 1st... just like in years past...   :IBCOOL:  Nobody  mentioned anything about the accidental death from that shooting last year...

Michael

Remember, these are still the suggestions and nothing is in stone until after next months meeting. Don't put in for vacation just yet.
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: MichaelJ on March 08, 2009, 03:20:19 PM
Ya bear hunting was talked about and it is STILL opening August 1st... just like in years past...   :IBCOOL:  Nobody  mentioned anything about the accidental death from that shooting last year...

Michael

Remember, these are still the suggestions and nothing is in stone until after next months meeting. Don't put in for vacation just yet.

Good point but the commission would be strung up if they changed it now...  The commission didn't disagree with putting the season start at Aug. 1st and the stance from the WDFW representative was the same...  Plus no public input thought it was negative to start it per Status Quo at August 1st...

Michael
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: billythekidrock on March 08, 2009, 03:34:07 PM
Yes, we may breathe a bit easier, but we will need to be on top of this next year.
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: KillBilly on March 08, 2009, 05:12:38 PM
I very much missed being there. I wanted to have a meal with all of you that showed up Fri. night. In light of that I also very much appreciate your report out and views on how things went. We do need to come together as a whole and be ready to present a large group with combined and unified views on solutions for next year.

What do you think about forming some kind of committee for the East & West sides to meet and hammer out details and solutions for next year? I know that alot of the stuff they let slide this year will be coming up again for 2010/2011 seasons. Anybody up to chairing such a task?
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: oneezreiter on March 08, 2009, 05:31:54 PM
Thank you to all of you that were able to attend.  I live on the west side and could not make it.  Three kids and work make it hard to find time so thanks to all of you for looking out for all of our interests.
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: colockumelk on March 08, 2009, 10:32:52 PM
I very much missed being there. I wanted to have a meal with all of you that showed up Fri. night. In light of that I also very much appreciate your report out and views on how things went. We do need to come together as a whole and be ready to present a large group with combined and unified views on solutions for next year.

What do you think about forming some kind of committee for the East & West sides to meet and hammer out details and solutions for next year? I know that alot of the stuff they let slide this year will be coming up again for 2010/2011 seasons. Anybody up to chairing such a task?

That is basically the sole purpose of Washington Sportsmen.  While the only thing that gets talked about on here is the tribal thing (because it's the only intersting thing to debate) we are working on alot more things that that.  Such as getting the Colockum to be Permit only.  Helping the WDFW and the DNR pay to physically close roads over here to give the elk and deer places to escape to.  We also sent alot of emails and stuff agianst the bear opening on September 1.  Your idea about an east and west think KB is exactly what we're trying to go towards right now.  I don't know anything about the problems that go on over in your neck of the woods so how am I going to help you guys out?  I can't, I'm trying to make my neck of the woods better but, if a group of Western Washington Sportsmen get together and do things for the good over there and a group of Eastern Washington SPortsmen get together to do things over here, while we are both under the same parent organization than we can accomplish more.  We can generate more revenue and funds to support our causes if we band together.  Sort of like how the RMEF operates.  We would be glad to have your support.  I encourage you all to join up.  Our website is a little rough but it's a work in progress so please don't judge it yet. 
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: Aneoakleaf on March 08, 2009, 11:25:39 PM
Hi , Thanks for the great reports! Good Job. I didn't go as I was holding an instructors meeting in IssaQuah.
Sounds like we might not have as bad a deal as we thought. But like Kidrock said, there's still more meetings...
Good luck on your  finals Michael  :hello:
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: MichaelJ on March 08, 2009, 11:44:26 PM
Thanks Aneoakleaf!  I'm very interested to see what regulations are actually put into effect for this year...  The commission overall seemed impacted on the issues I reported on.  Hopefully they get something done... if not then its definitely about the revenue and political agendas...  Time will tell...

Michael
Title: Re: March 6 & 7 WDFW Meeting in E-burg
Post by: colockumelk on March 09, 2009, 10:08:20 PM
I very much missed being there. I wanted to have a meal with all of you that showed up Fri. night. In light of that I also very much appreciate your report out and views on how things went. We do need to come together as a whole and be ready to present a large group with combined and unified views on solutions for next year.

What do you think about forming some kind of committee for the East & West sides to meet and hammer out details and solutions for next year? I know that alot of the stuff they let slide this year will be coming up again for 2010/2011 seasons. Anybody up to chairing such a task?

That is basically the sole purpose of Washington Sportsmen.  While the only thing that gets talked about on here is the tribal thing (because it's the only intersting thing to debate) we are working on alot more things that that.  Such as getting the Colockum to be Permit only.  Helping the WDFW and the DNR pay to physically close roads over here to give the elk and deer places to escape to.  We also sent alot of emails and stuff agianst the bear opening on September 1.  Your idea about an east and west think KB is exactly what we're trying to go towards right now.  I don't know anything about the problems that go on over in your neck of the woods so how am I going to help you guys out?  I can't, I'm trying to make my neck of the woods better but, if a group of Western Washington Sportsmen get together and do things for the good over there and a group of Eastern Washington SPortsmen get together to do things over here, while we are both under the same parent organization than we can accomplish more.  We can generate more revenue and funds to support our causes if we band together.  Sort of like how the RMEF operates.  We would be glad to have your support.  I encourage you all to join up.  Our website is a little rough but it's a work in progress so please don't judge it yet. 

Go to this website to check us out.  www.washingtonsportsmen.com (http://www.washingtonsportsmen.com)

And please everyone go to this next link to send this letter/petition to the WDFW commission.  Please help out before it's too late.  The season gets set in  a month.    http://www.washingtonsportsmen.com/?q=node/81 (http://www.washingtonsportsmen.com/?q=node/81) 
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