Post by: Squidward on September 22, 2016, 08:39:38 AM
I know some elk hunters out bugling and cow calling, ended up calling in a gray and white wolf this past weekend to 25yds. They are elk hunters so I will not give location however it was in West Lewis county.
Post by: Curly on September 22, 2016, 08:47:43 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 22, 2016, 08:55:06 AM
Post by: Squidward on September 22, 2016, 09:06:55 AM
Post by: WSU on September 22, 2016, 09:38:36 AM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on September 22, 2016, 10:09:39 AM
Post by: JakeLand on September 22, 2016, 06:20:49 PM
Post by: kentrek on September 22, 2016, 06:35:35 PM
The elk hunting reminded me of after the gospel wilderness got hit hard by wolves...not good...I'll know for sure this winter
This was south cascades
Post by: CGDucksandDeer on September 23, 2016, 09:29:41 AM
But a picture of an animal or at least a picture of a track with a lighter or tape measure for size comparison is even better. I've heard credible reports of wolves in the Naches and in the upper Snoqualmie watershed this fall. But nothing to confirm them or really get the Dept out there looking without credible evidence on top of just reports.
The Dept is still projecting 2021 as the year statewide recovery goals are met per their modeling. Ending 2016 with a pack confirmed in the South Cascades and west of the Crest could move that estimate up.
Post by: skagitsteel on September 25, 2016, 08:54:03 PM
Post by: Special T on September 25, 2016, 10:30:23 PM
I'm working on getting one confirmed in western whatcom/ skagit. I've given them three pics now in the last year, I was told if I can get two in the same frame we could look at confirming a packIn 05 they were given pics of a whole pack on a Nooksack bar with track pics and everything. They didn't do squat. DNA hair samples are all they will take and you had better keep some to keep them honest.
Post by: AspenBud on October 19, 2016, 08:42:14 AM
1. There will be a ton of big game in those areas in a few more years.
2. When wolves get into those lands their population will explode.
3. Chaos will ensue in all of the areas surrounding timber company land since the wolves will effectively have a safe haven by virtue of extremely limited hunting and the state being unable to manage them since they'll be on private property.
Post by: Mudman on October 19, 2016, 08:50:36 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on October 25, 2016, 08:25:58 AM
http://komonews.com/news/local/wash-state-wolf-killed-in-montana-after-700-mile-journey (http://komonews.com/news/local/wash-state-wolf-killed-in-montana-after-700-mile-journey)
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 25, 2016, 08:31:14 AM
They know, they released them south of Pe Ell west of kelso out yonder there up high by that lake. Serious they did. Report all we want they will confirm when they decide too. Hoof rot control. Ug.They did not release any wolves.
I hope they hurry up and get on with recovery over there.
Post by: baker5150 on October 25, 2016, 08:43:39 AM
I'm working on getting one confirmed in western whatcom/ skagit. I've given them three pics now in the last year, I was told if I can get two in the same frame we could look at confirming a packIn 05 they were given pics of a whole pack on a Nooksack bar with track pics and everything. They didn't do squat. DNA hair samples are all they will take and you had better keep some to keep them honest.
If I recall they claimed that was a pic of Hybrids, that they had pics of them previously. :dunno:
that was their excuse anyway. :rolleyes:
Post by: WAPatriot on October 25, 2016, 08:49:59 AM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 25, 2016, 08:54:17 AM
Do us a favor and open the wolf management plan and read.They know, they released them south of Pe Ell west of kelso out yonder there up high by that lake. Serious they did. Report all we want they will confirm when they decide too. Hoof rot control. Ug.They did not release any wolves.
I hope they hurry up and get on with recovery over there.
Tell us how you really feel. Want more wolves in Washington. You want them to infest western Washington and ruin hunting opportunities. Do us all a favor find a bridge and jump.
We can't do anything with wolf management in the rest of the state until the SW wolf recovery area meets objectives....but I am sure you already know that...
Post by: Buckewe on October 25, 2016, 09:08:43 AM
Post by: Curly on October 25, 2016, 09:11:21 AM
Quote
“What this wolf did is the primary reason we have wolves in Washington,” he said. “We didn’t reintroduce them here; they moved in on their own (from Canada and Idaho).”
Above is a quote from an article linked (http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2016/oct/24/washington-wolf-shot-in-montana-after-roaming-700-/)in the article above.
It does make it believable that wolves simply migrated to WA and were NOT transplanted here like some believe. :twocents:
Post by: Special T on October 25, 2016, 09:27:55 AM
I have heard from a reliable source that they are in concrete. Not long and they will infest the west side as well.Supposedly wdfw is trying to confirm wolves in that area... I heard it was a specific area... when my brother logged said area the other loggers said they had been in there for years.
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 25, 2016, 09:33:25 AM
They know, they released them south of Pe Ell west of kelso out yonder there up high by that lake. Serious they did. Report all we want they will confirm when they decide too. Hoof rot control. Ug.
Where's the pics? If there aren't any pictures of wolves being released it didn't happen. They don't need to release them. They move around fine on their own.
Post by: PolarBear on October 25, 2016, 09:37:33 AM
Post by: Mudman on October 25, 2016, 04:18:29 PM
Post by: jackelope on October 25, 2016, 04:25:34 PM
Quote“What this wolf did is the primary reason we have wolves in Washington,” he said. “We didn’t reintroduce them here; they moved in on their own (from Canada and Idaho).”
Above is a quote from an article linked (http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2016/oct/24/washington-wolf-shot-in-montana-after-roaming-700-/)in the article above.
It does make it believable that wolves simply migrated to WA and were NOT transplanted here like some believe. :twocents:
BLASPHEMY!!
Hey 1 from the Huck did just travel 700 miles to Montana. OR-7...NE Oregon to California. Those were the collared ones. I'm sure there are more.
It happens. Simple fact.
Post by: Curly on October 25, 2016, 04:28:56 PM
Post by: bobcat on October 25, 2016, 04:33:18 PM
Post by: Mudman on October 25, 2016, 04:34:17 PM
Post by: jackelope on October 25, 2016, 04:36:32 PM
But does that include escorting and stupidvising a wolf haven release or the feds.? For example...
Any role the state would play in it would be illegal. No offense, but I don't believe it actually happened.
The state couldn't do it, and wouldn't do it- not secretly. We (the public) would be told first. It would be a big deal, they'd have to jump through all kinds of hoops to get approval to do it. Look at the antelope that got released in Washington recently. In order to get it done, they had to release them on the Yakama Indian reservation so the WDFW didn't have any say.
Right...couldn't even release a non-ESA animal that does nothing but eats grass, poops and breeds.
Post by: Mudman on October 25, 2016, 04:41:21 PM
Post by: jackelope on October 25, 2016, 04:55:58 PM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,166060.msg2190078.html#msg2190078 I know but it was a reliable source. Heck as soon as she found out she called me to share and couldn't believe it herself. It doesn't really matter and we all know the State operates totally in the light! :bash: Either way something happened.
I'm not saying they're not there. I am saying I don't believe that the state released them there.
Hell, I just posted a link where a wolf travelled 700 miles into Montana. It could happen, and it will happen.
Post by: Mudman on October 25, 2016, 05:15:44 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on October 25, 2016, 10:12:35 PM
They are all the way to the coast now. I saw tracks and scat in Boistfort 2 years ago and have had reports from friends ( and seen pics) of them being as far West as William's Creek and North River.I found a large canine track out on the west part of the Clearwater GMU last year. Until I see/hear any good indication of being a woof, I'm just sticking with large canine.
Post by: CLARKTAR on October 27, 2016, 12:29:23 PM
Jimmy, I saw on this year in a remote part of the Clearwater, but like you I sticking with canine snd not claiming woof!They are all the way to the coast now. I saw tracks and scat in Boistfort 2 years ago and have had reports from friends ( and seen pics) of them being as far West as William's Creek and North River.I found a large canine track out on the west part of the Clearwater GMU last year. Until I see/hear any good indication of being a woof, I'm just sticking with large canine.
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Post by: Squidward on October 27, 2016, 01:42:16 PM
I found some big K9 tracks on the banks of Fall River last yr, coyote I'm sure.. :rolleyes:They are all the way to the coast now. I saw tracks and scat in Boistfort 2 years ago and have had reports from friends ( and seen pics) of them being as far West as William's Creek and North River.I found a large canine track out on the west part of the Clearwater GMU last year. Until I see/hear any good indication of being a woof, I'm just sticking with large canine.
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on November 15, 2016, 08:18:02 PM
They are all the way to the coast now. I saw tracks and scat in Boistfort 2 years ago and have had reports from friends ( and seen pics) of them being as far West as William's Creek and North River.
I found some tracks up in North river probably 10 years ago and went back the next day and cast them...still have a few casts sittin in the drawer from some big canine out in the woods...it was not coyote, I also found tracks in the wynoochee unit
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi799.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fyy275%2Fdeerhunter_98520%2FHunting%2Fwolftrack.jpg&hash=0cf3d2b35bc1f7ae9e54ad1d5bbea8c37910c80d)
Post by: j_h_nimrod on November 15, 2016, 08:23:49 PM
Jimmy, I saw on this year in a remote part of the Clearwater, but like you I sticking with canine snd not claiming woof!They are all the way to the coast now. I saw tracks and scat in Boistfort 2 years ago and have had reports from friends ( and seen pics) of them being as far West as William's Creek and North River.I found a large canine track out on the west part of the Clearwater GMU last year. Until I see/hear any good indication of being a woof, I'm just sticking with large canine.
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I saw sign up there this year as well as last year that made me wonder. No proof but highly suspect.
Post by: Goshawk on November 27, 2016, 01:26:21 PM
I have no doubt they were fruitful and multiplied.
Being a hybrid I would have thought they were under no protection from game laws and could be shot on site.
Post by: wooltie on December 08, 2016, 12:46:23 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on December 08, 2016, 02:58:45 PM
you mean the dog sled team that someone posted up here??I'm working on getting one confirmed in western whatcom/ skagit. I've given them three pics now in the last year, I was told if I can get two in the same frame we could look at confirming a packIn 05 they were given pics of a whole pack on a Nooksack bar with track pics and everything. They didn't do squat. DNA hair samples are all they will take and you had better keep some to keep them honest.
Post by: JDHasty on December 08, 2016, 03:16:32 PM
I said it was probably a large coyote, he said it was right by the road and it was just way too big to be a coyote.
Post by: Sakko300wsm on December 09, 2016, 05:35:43 AM
Buddy just sent me a video of a black wolf recorded on a game cam placed in Glacier. That is, in Whatcom County.Post it
Post by: Sakko300wsm on December 09, 2016, 05:37:08 AM
I'm working on getting one confirmed in western whatcom/ skagit. I've given them three pics now in the last year, I was told if I can get two in the same frame we could look at confirming a packIn 05 they were given pics of a whole pack on a Nooksack bar with track pics and everything. They didn't do squat. DNA hair samples are all they will take and you had better keep some to keep them honest.
Are the pics on here somewhere?
Post by: ctwiggs1 on December 09, 2016, 06:41:05 AM
They know, they released them south of Pe Ell west of kelso out yonder there up high by that lake. Serious they did. Report all we want they will confirm when they decide too. Hoof rot control. Ug.They did not release any wolves.
I hope they hurry up and get on with recovery over there.
Tell us how you really feel. Want more wolves in Washington. You want them to infest western Washington and ruin hunting opportunities. Do us all a favor find a bridge and jump.
Are you seriously encouraging somebody to commit suicide because of a comment they made about wolves on an internet forum?
Post by: mburrows on December 09, 2016, 07:38:07 AM
They know, they released them south of Pe Ell west of kelso out yonder there up high by that lake. Serious they did. Report all we want they will confirm when they decide too. Hoof rot control. Ug.They did not release any wolves.
I hope they hurry up and get on with recovery over there.
Tell us how you really feel. Want more wolves in Washington. You want them to infest western Washington and ruin hunting opportunities. Do us all a favor find a bridge and jump.
Really? Youre a troll dude.
Post by: Special T on December 09, 2016, 07:50:51 AM
you mean the dog sled team that someone posted up here??I'm working on getting one confirmed in western whatcom/ skagit. I've given them three pics now in the last year, I was told if I can get two in the same frame we could look at confirming a packIn 05 they were given pics of a whole pack on a Nooksack bar with track pics and everything. They didn't do squat. DNA hair samples are all they will take and you had better keep some to keep them honest.
Im tired of your condescending attitude.
Post by: Special T on December 09, 2016, 08:04:46 AM
NWWABOWHNTR took this pic and several others but this is the only one i could find because his thread is no longer on the forum. It was taken on the Nooksack in unit 418. Not west of I 5 But there isnt a lot of country west of I 5 up here.
I saw 4 near hwy 9 a couple miles north of Sedro Woolley about 15 years ago.
WDFW is finally trying to do a hair snair test up off Hwy20.
Post by: Mudman on December 09, 2016, 09:12:16 AM
Post by: Shrimper on December 09, 2016, 09:36:38 AM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on December 09, 2016, 10:04:31 AM
I'm tired of people posting BS. The "wolves" in your picture are not wolves at all and there was no WDFW apathy about the "wolves" as you're alleging. There was another picture of them on the gravel bar that more clearly showed the animals.you mean the dog sled team that someone posted up here??I'm working on getting one confirmed in western whatcom/ skagit. I've given them three pics now in the last year, I was told if I can get two in the same frame we could look at confirming a packIn 05 they were given pics of a whole pack on a Nooksack bar with track pics and everything. They didn't do squat. DNA hair samples are all they will take and you had better keep some to keep them honest.
Im tired of your condescending attitude.
Post by: Special T on December 09, 2016, 10:18:29 AM
So my fellow ignorant misbelivers make sure you bring a zip lock baggie and try and find some hair or scat.
Post by: Sakko300wsm on December 09, 2016, 12:46:27 PM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,101713.msg1331226.html#msg1331226
NWWABOWHNTR took this pic and several others but this is the only one i could find because his thread is no longer on the forum. It was taken on the Nooksack in unit 418. Not west of I 5 But there isnt a lot of country west of I 5 up here.
I saw 4 near hwy 9 a couple miles north of Sedro Woolley about 15 years ago.
Looks like the north fork around black mt ranch area?
WDFW is finally trying to do a hair snair test up off Hwy20.
Post by: jackelope on December 09, 2016, 12:53:11 PM
I've looked for all those pics because I know the guy that took them. They aren't a bunch of huskies like you imply. No matter the visual proof (cause we are all a bunch of ignoramuses) all the department will accept is fecal and or hair samples.
So my fellow ignorant misbelivers make sure you bring a zip lock baggie and try and find some hair or scat.
Pretty sure they want the DNA to actually confirm wild wolves. You can post all the pictures you want...but no official documentation is going to happen off of a picture. Especially a picture that far away. I'm not saying they are or aren't wolves. But they could be either. There's no way to tell with 100% certainty from that picture. That's a simple fact.
Post by: 7mmfan on December 09, 2016, 12:59:31 PM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,101713.msg1331226.html#msg1331226
NWWABOWHNTR took this pic and several others but this is the only one i could find because his thread is no longer on the forum. It was taken on the Nooksack in unit 418. Not west of I 5 But there isnt a lot of country west of I 5 up here.
I saw 4 near hwy 9 a couple miles north of Sedro Woolley about 15 years ago.
Looks like the north fork around black mt ranch area?
WDFW is finally trying to do a hair snair test up off Hwy20.
The picture of the pack along the river is a picture that I took along the Sauk in the early 2000's. It was reported to the bio by me and was told they were hybrids that were released in the area. I have another picture of an all white wolf looking canine taken just a couple miles from there, also along the river. I also saw an all black one, but was not able to get pictures of it. I had a face to face confrontation with the pack in the original picture and I can tell you, at 15', they very much appeared to be and acted like wolves.
Post by: jackelope on December 09, 2016, 01:01:36 PM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,101713.msg1331226.html#msg1331226
NWWABOWHNTR took this pic and several others but this is the only one i could find because his thread is no longer on the forum. It was taken on the Nooksack in unit 418. Not west of I 5 But there isnt a lot of country west of I 5 up here.
I saw 4 near hwy 9 a couple miles north of Sedro Woolley about 15 years ago.
Looks like the north fork around black mt ranch area?
WDFW is finally trying to do a hair snair test up off Hwy20.
The picture of the pack along the river is a picture that I took along the Sauk in the early 2000's. It was reported to the bio by me and was told they were hybrids that were released in the area. I have another picture of an all white wolf looking canine taken just a couple miles from there, also along the river. I also saw an all black one, but was not able to get pictures of it. I had a face to face confrontation with the pack in the original picture and I can tell you, at 15', they very much appeared to be and acted like wolves.
So it's not a pic that NWWABOWHNTR took? Weird...
Post by: 7mmfan on December 09, 2016, 01:05:25 PM
Post by: 7mmfan on December 09, 2016, 01:07:13 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 09, 2016, 01:15:47 PM
:dunno:
Post by: 7mmfan on December 09, 2016, 01:20:08 PM
Post by: Special T on December 09, 2016, 01:24:58 PM
If these are in fact yours my apologies.
Post by: 7mmfan on December 09, 2016, 01:29:14 PM
Carry on :)
Post by: KFhunter on December 09, 2016, 01:30:59 PM
Post by: kodiak 907 on December 09, 2016, 01:32:18 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 09, 2016, 01:36:35 PM
I'm not offended that they got passed around, not a big deal. I just wanted to nip a rumor before it gained traction. I don't know Ren, but I did email these to a guy a couple years back who was trying to compile some information to talk with a bio about, it was probably him. I was to young to know any different at the time, thought it was cool seeing wolves for the first time. And now I haven't been frequenting the area since there is no steelhead season up there, so I have no idea if they are still around or not.Just found a post of his eluding to that. Sounds like you sent them to him so he could talk to the bio about it.
Carry on :)
After a lengthy conversation with a biologist about wolves in the Nooksack a member here sent me these 2 pics taken in the Nooksack... Biologist says they are "hybrids"....
Post by: Special T on December 09, 2016, 01:40:41 PM
I did have several discussions on the subject of wolves with him. He was a member of Silver Arrow and a WSAA rep to the commision.
2 very important details were wrong. The river and the photographer. My mistake
Post by: 7mmfan on December 09, 2016, 01:58:51 PM
My mistake
I did have several discussions on the subject of wolves with him. He was a member of Silver Arrow and a WSAA rep to the commision.
2 very important details were wrong. The river and the photographer. My mistake
It really is not a big deal, but I'm glad its being talked about. I don't usually get involved in these types of discussions, but when I saw my photo and incorrect information, I just wanted to set the record straight. As we all know, when it comes to these discussions regarding these animals, details are very important.
Here is a screen shot of exactly where that photo was taken. Of course the river has changed course several times now, but its close enough.
Post by: Special T on December 09, 2016, 02:24:56 PM
Post by: 7mmfan on December 09, 2016, 03:55:59 PM
It's a big deal to me. Because if you don't admit when you've made a mistake your either a lier or a fool.
We'll you're good in my book :tup:
Post by: Fl0und3rz on December 09, 2016, 03:59:39 PM
It's a big deal to me. Because if you don't admit when you've made a mistake your either a lier or a fool.
We'll you're good in my book :tup:
:tup:
Post by: Knocker of rocks on December 09, 2016, 07:57:43 PM
. I had a face to face confrontation with the pack in the original picture and I can tell you, at 15', they very much appeared to be and acted like wolves.
I'm sure they would.
Given how close dogs and wolves are, would DNA from poop or hairs even give a discernable answer to which species the sample came from?
Post by: JDHasty on December 09, 2016, 08:33:47 PM
I had opportunity to ask, I grew up a few miles from the Weyerhouser girls and was friends with Jane, Phil Weyerhouser's daughter. I could have asked George, her uncle, but never did.
Post by: Special T on December 09, 2016, 08:36:14 PM
DNA is the only way wdfw will confirm they are wolves. From comments like sled dog pictures it's not a great big surprise that people SSS. Been happening in the Skagit for a long time.. I had a face to face confrontation with the pack in the original picture and I can tell you, at 15', they very much appeared to be and acted like wolves.
I'm sure they would.
Given how close dogs and wolves are, would DNA from poop or hairs even give a discernable answer to which species the sample came from?
Post by: kodiak 907 on December 09, 2016, 09:17:47 PM
My mistake
I did have several discussions on the subject of wolves with him. He was a member of Silver Arrow and a WSAA rep to the commision.
2 very important details were wrong. The river and the photographer. My mistake
It really is not a big deal, but I'm glad its being talked about. I don't usually get involved in these types of discussions, but when I saw my photo and incorrect information, I just wanted to set the record straight. As we all know, when it comes to these discussions regarding these animals, details are very important.
Here is a screen shot of exactly where that photo was taken. Of course the river has changed course several times now, but its close enough.
Is your photo looking toward finney or toward illabot?
Post by: Special T on December 10, 2016, 12:00:08 AM
Looks like the top is tword Rockport and I'll I both Creek is on the right side of the photo across the river from the pin.My mistake
I did have several discussions on the subject of wolves with him. He was a member of Silver Arrow and a WSAA rep to the commision.
2 very important details were wrong. The river and the photographer. My mistake
It really is not a big deal, but I'm glad its being talked about. I don't usually get involved in these types of discussions, but when I saw my photo and incorrect information, I just wanted to set the record straight. As we all know, when it comes to these discussions regarding these animals, details are very important.
Here is a screen shot of exactly where that photo was taken. Of course the river has changed course several times now, but its close enough.
Is your photo looking toward finney or toward illabot?
Post by: kodiak 907 on December 10, 2016, 07:37:15 AM
Looks like the top is tword Rockport and I'll I both Creek is on the right side of the photo across the river from the pin.My mistake
I did have several discussions on the subject of wolves with him. He was a member of Silver Arrow and a WSAA rep to the commision.
2 very important details were wrong. The river and the photographer. My mistake
It really is not a big deal, but I'm glad its being talked about. I don't usually get involved in these types of discussions, but when I saw my photo and incorrect information, I just wanted to set the record straight. As we all know, when it comes to these discussions regarding these animals, details are very important
Here is a screen shot of exactly where that photo was taken. Of course the river has changed course several times now, but its close enough.
Is your photo looking toward finney or toward illabot?
Got that. I was curious if the canines were on the east or west side of the river.
Post by: 7mmfan on December 10, 2016, 09:18:18 AM