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Title: les schwab junk
Post by: Happy Gilmore on September 25, 2016, 09:43:58 PM
Two Schwab wheels cracked. Bought a new one for $214 12 days ago. They wouldn't give me a warranty. In Montana at a field trial yesterday and another wheel cracked.

The wheels were put on by the previous owner so Schwab has told me to take a hike. Whatever you do, never buy anything from Schwab. They sell Chinese crap and their warranty is crap.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Happy Gilmore on September 25, 2016, 09:48:39 PM
I'm going in to visit with them first thing in the morning. I'm going to demand that my vehicle has wheels installed which are safe for highway travel. I'll let you all know how it goes.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: JakeLand on September 25, 2016, 09:51:48 PM
I quit going to Schwab a long time ago.i go to discount tire now and they are top notch
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: fishngamereaper on September 25, 2016, 09:54:28 PM
I quit going to Schwab a long time ago.i go to discount tire now and they are top notch

 :yeah:
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: SniperDanWA on September 25, 2016, 09:56:47 PM
I have four vehicles outfitted by Discount Tire.  So far, no issues.  I've never used Les Schwab, so I have no comparison.  Good luck tomorrow.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Happy Gilmore on September 25, 2016, 09:58:08 PM
After the first wheel cracked, they told me a tire needed to be replaced because it was failing. I said if, they give me a discount on the prematurity failing tire and warranty the failed wheel I would buy a new set of tires. They basically said go f yourself. I promptly went and bought new tires from the Issaquah dealer who beat their price. They took a while and gave me a free transmission change because I waited a while. Now, I'm stuck with new bfg's for 17" rims. The 17" crap les Schwab wheels.... Broke second one in two weeks.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Happy Gilmore on September 25, 2016, 10:05:47 PM
I bought my previous set of bfg from discount. Agreed, they are great company. Had a few other things done on my Ford and her Chevy at Evergreen. They now give me a discount and match or beat the lowest tire price and only charge $40 for a diesel oil change. You have to leave your truck but, they wash it and clean the inside. Issaquah Ford/Chevy dealer does a great job. I'm a big endorser of their service. When I dis my Ford front end rebuild I bought all my parts from them and Brenden at the service/parts counter is a big help and great guy.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: greenhead_killer on September 25, 2016, 10:07:06 PM
I've always used les Schwab and never had an issue. I never go with their generic brand though, always the toyos. I've never had an issue with them, have always out 20-30k more miles than they are rated for. Their service has always been great. This is out of the north bend shop anyhow. The one in my town is ok as well. Used them a few times and they were great. Sorry for your bad luck
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Happy Gilmore on September 25, 2016, 10:11:07 PM
I've always used les Schwab and never had an issue. I never go with their generic brand though, always the toyos. I've never had an issue with them, have always out 20-30k more miles than they are rated for. Their service has always been great. This is out of the north bend shop anyhow. The one in my town is ok as well. Used them a few times and they were great. Sorry for your bad luck

Two of their wheels cracked in two weeks and they wont do anything but tell me I need to buy new wheels????
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Happy Gilmore on September 25, 2016, 10:13:42 PM
I've always used les Schwab and never had an issue. I never go with their generic brand though, always the toyos. I've never had an issue with them, have always out 20-30k more miles than they are rated for. Their service has always been great. This is out of the north bend shop anyhow. The one in my town is ok as well. Used them a few times and they were great. Sorry for your bad luck
I also just got $900 of new trailer tires and wheels in north bend last month. Had airbags put on the Chevy for $400 a few months before... Had brakes dome for $700 a month before that
Two of their wheels cracked in two weeks and they wont do anything but tell me I need to buy new wheels????
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Duckslayer89 on September 25, 2016, 10:20:20 PM
Two Schwab wheels cracked. Bought a new one for $214 12 days ago. They wouldn't give me a warranty. In Montana at a field trial yesterday and another wheel cracked.

The wheels were put on by the previous owner so Schwab has told me to take a hike. Whatever you do, never buy anything from Schwab. They sell Chinese crap and their warranty is crap.

They say lifetime warranty on everything and then always say oh we can't do this because your tie rod blah blah blah needs to be changed before we touch it and blah blah is wrong and oh it's old wheels. Done with them. Brakes suck from them too warp going down the first hill
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Happy Gilmore on September 25, 2016, 10:44:59 PM
Evergreen Ford/Chevy has all my business from here on out. They have helped me a long time ago on my 1998 150, gladly helped me w parts foe my dyi front axle f 350 job and now match lowest price I can find on tires and give a cheap diesel oil change w service work. Hard to beat. I'll buy my next rig from them for sure.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Landowner on September 25, 2016, 11:09:01 PM
Schwab has done a good job on all of my rigs and tractors.   For 40 years.  And my farmer friends as well. 
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: rasbo on September 26, 2016, 05:14:07 AM
each schwabby is different,I have had great luck with all of them but one in Puyallup...
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Goex2Fwithroundball on September 26, 2016, 05:31:33 AM
I used Les Schwab for many years on all of my vehicles until I heard about issues with their Chinese products. About 2 years ago my F150 needed new tires. I went to Schwab for a quote then across the street to Discount Tire. I discovered for the same price I can get made in USA BF Goodrich tires instead of the Chinese crap. Discount Tire also offers the free flat repairs and rotations and has many locations.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Miles on September 26, 2016, 06:21:24 AM
I switched to discount tire back around 2004.  Haven't missed Schwab at all.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on September 26, 2016, 06:24:34 AM
People goto Les Schwab because of name recognition....I stopped going there 15 years ago...there's a tire factory here in town and there service far exceeds Schwab's ...hope they atleast make it right with what you have bought from them
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: dc on September 26, 2016, 06:48:24 AM
If by Chinese crap you mean Toyo tires, you probably have never ran them.  (I could be wrong)  Toyo makes a great tire, now I admit you can get a quality tire for less elsewhere but Toyo is no slouch.  Schwabs are not the cheapest by any means, and no I'm currently not running a set (schwab tires) on my truck.  I do believe that if a guy does a lot of traveling, hunting, fishing etc. in the PNW he would be smart to run schwab tires just for the fact that you can find one in just about every town in Wash. Ore. Idaho etc. to take care of tire issues.  The independent dealers use the Schwab name but are not truly schwab stores, so their service is nowhere near what a true schwab store will be.  I do admit the fast friendly service is not what it used to be, but a pretty good option if one travels.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: dye7barrel on September 26, 2016, 06:53:40 AM
Left high and dry by Schwab too many times. Discount Tire gets my money now.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Blackjaw on September 26, 2016, 07:01:38 AM
No more Les Scwhab for me either. There is a little shop just outside of Bonney Lake on the way to Buckley that gets my business. He can order pretty much anything and always has a little better price than everywhere else.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: birddogdad on September 26, 2016, 07:21:43 AM
each schwabby is different,I have had great luck with all of them but one in Puyallup...

 :yeah:

and just try to find a corporate number to contact! had bad time at one in E. Bremerton wa, but have generally had great success with them. somehow they managed to align my truck with ball joints that needed replacing, I did get my money back took it else ware and got it right.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Special T on September 26, 2016, 07:47:35 AM
I'm always amazed at the Love vs Hate. I always seem to hear the extreme.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: b23 on September 26, 2016, 07:51:36 AM
I switched to discount tire back around 2004.  Haven't missed Schwab at all.

Never was much of a Schwab fan, always thought their prices were very high for their own labeled products that seemed of mediocre quality.

Started using Discount tire about five years ago and they've been great, good prices and have been more than pleased with their service.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 26, 2016, 08:02:22 AM
I used to use them but no longer. They changed after the owner died. I had shoddy brake work done on my Jeep and had to go back after 18K miles for warranty repair. The failed again after 15K more but they refused to repair them under warranty again saying I'd gone passed the original 25K warranty. Midas did the same work for way less money and gave me a lifetime warranty on the pads and the calipers. Their tires are unreasonably expensive. Discount Tire is way better and the service just as good.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Happy Gilmore on September 26, 2016, 08:40:22 AM
Schwab has done a good job on all of my rigs and tractors.   For 40 years.  And my farmer friends as well.

Almost forgot I bought new front tractor tires from them. Needed them that day. Charged me $250 a piece. They were $100 less on internet but, I had three loads of rock that had to be moved.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: JDHasty on September 26, 2016, 08:50:40 AM
Left high and dry by Schwab too many times. Discount Tire gets my money now.

 :yeah: That is were we trade.  Discount Tire and Titus Will Ford get all our tire business. 

FWIW, I wouldn't run many after market alloy wheels on my vehicles.   Most of them are not worth the value of the aluminum they are made from can be sold at the scrap yard. 

My dad was a big player in the tire business before he retired in 1994 and a lot of after market wheels are death traps, and most of those still are today. 
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Happy Gilmore on September 26, 2016, 09:33:39 AM
Looking on Craigslist now for a set. Anyone know if 2003 Silverado and 2015 have same pattern? Also, since I just bought new bfgs on these 17" rims, I'd like to put them on the 2002 Silverado... (commuter high miles truck)
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Odell on September 26, 2016, 09:37:13 AM
I used to use them but no longer. They changed after the owner died. I had shoddy brake work done on my Jeep and had to go back after 18K miles for warranty repair. The failed again after 15K more but they refused to repair them under warranty again saying I'd gone passed the original 25K warranty. Midas did the same work for way less money and gave me a lifetime warranty on the pads and the calipers. Their tires are unreasonably expensive. Discount Tire is way better and the service just as good.

They definitely changed. I used to refuse to go anywhere besides Les Schwab. Now I won't go there unless i have no other choice.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 26, 2016, 09:40:31 AM
Yep, the service used to make up for price differences. It's no different any more.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: C-Money on September 26, 2016, 09:48:16 AM
I too have had many challenges with Les Schwab. That said, They have also treated me pretty well at times. I have ran Dean Wildcats quite a bit from Schwab, and they have been good tires, made in USA. Current set of wildcats on the Tahoe have taken us on trips to Pennsylvania & Las Vegas and all over in between. Had a boat trailer tire go bad on me camping this summer. Brewster Les Schwab ordered me in a pair of tires which arrived when they said they would and installation went without trouble. They are Chinese trailer tires, but was glad to get them as I was in a bind. 
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Special T on September 26, 2016, 09:55:44 AM
Www.crawlpedia.com has a pretty decent cross reference for wheel bolt patterns for rigs. I have used it for purchasing used tires and wheels. @Happy Gilmore
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: rtspring on September 26, 2016, 10:00:47 AM
Schwab has always been good to me, Well except for the manager at the smokey pt schwab.   I think he may of gotten an arse whuppin back in like 2002.   :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Special T on September 26, 2016, 10:08:06 AM
I belive part of the love hate relationship comes from the discretion each MGR has that macs b talks about. There are less independent owner story today than before Les died and since none of his family took hold of the reigns it can't be the same kind of company. Schwab has succeeded by having a location in every small town and taking care of thier customers.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Special T on September 26, 2016, 10:08:50 AM
Additionally cooper Tire a usa company has made many of thier private label  tires for years.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: fish vacuum on September 26, 2016, 10:11:50 AM


  I do believe that if a guy does a lot of traveling, hunting, fishing etc. in the PNW he would be smart to run schwab tires just for the fact that you can find one in just about every town in Wash. Ore. Idaho etc. to take care of tire issues. 
If needed, they can handle tire issues regardless of where I bought my tires. Might cost a few bucks, but oh well.
I stopped going to Schwab years ago because every time I went in for new tires or puncture repair, they told me I needed a bunch of other things replaced. One location always told me my brakes were down to 10% and needed replacing. This was over the course of a few years with two different vehicles. Somehow I managed to drive both rigs for years without any problems. 
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: C-Money on September 26, 2016, 10:16:10 AM
Macs B is correct when saying Les Schwab buys a LOT of fair animals, they really do a lot for the kids at fair time.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Rainier10 on September 26, 2016, 10:17:20 AM
each schwabby is different,I have had great luck with all of them but one in Puyallup...
Must be, I have had great luck with the Burien store.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: JimmyHoffa on September 26, 2016, 10:17:37 AM


  I do believe that if a guy does a lot of traveling, hunting, fishing etc. in the PNW he would be smart to run schwab tires just for the fact that you can find one in just about every town in Wash. Ore. Idaho etc. to take care of tire issues. 
If needed, they can handle tire issues regardless of where I bought my tires. Might cost a few bucks, but oh well.
I stopped going to Schwab years ago because every time I went in for new tires or puncture repair, they told me I needed a bunch of other things replaced. One location always told me my brakes were down to 10% and needed replacing. This was over the course of a few years with two different vehicles. Somehow I managed to drive both rigs for years without any problems.
:yeah: always tried to tell me I needed something else.  Finally went to get two tires after a blowout and they said they could only sell in a set of four because of 4x4.  Only need two...same axle...  But claimed liability blah blah blah.  Guys at discount are like what two do you want?  Done!
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Redstar on September 26, 2016, 10:42:28 AM
The store manager and the jack-knob with the impact gun is why we no longer use the Irongate Les Schwab in Bellingham. They f'ed up a wheel and wheel stud, worst part is they tried to hide it and send my wife back out on the road. The manager of that store was a complete a hole. Fortunately the Meridian ST Les Schwab stepped up and took care of us.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on September 26, 2016, 03:40:20 PM
YEP, OUR ANNUAL LES SUCKS THREAD.  :beatdeadhorse: :chuckle:

ITS A GREAT PLACE AS LONG AS YOUR YOUR WALLET, OR THE LINE OF CREDIT THEY HAVE IS WIDE OPEN FOR THEM TO CHARGE AWAY AT.  :twocents:

I LEFT THEM YEARS AGO, AND TOOK MY BUSINESS TO LOCAL SHOPS THAT ARE REPUTABLY, AND HAVE NEVER LOOKED BACK. :tup:
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on September 26, 2016, 06:50:29 PM
YEP, OUR ANNUAL LES SUCKS THREAD.  :beatdeadhorse: :chuckle:

ITS A GREAT PLACE AS LONG AS YOUR YOUR WALLET, OR THE LINE OF CREDIT THEY HAVE IS WIDE OPEN FOR THEM TO CHARGE AWAY AT.  :twocents:

I LEFT THEM YEARS AGO, AND TOOK MY BUSINESS TO LOCAL SHOPS THAT ARE REPUTABLY, AND HAVE NEVER LOOKED BACK. :tup:

I see this thread got you yelling again  :chuckle: yesterday you didn't yell in another thread  :chuckle:
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: brew on September 26, 2016, 07:18:45 PM
skwab wants to sell me Toyo's for $400 each with no warranty...i don't take my duramax wheelin but 80% of my miles are on gravel roads and that diesel pig chews up tires for breakfast.  Discount will sell me the same tire make/design/10 ply in a cooper tire with a 60,000 mile warranty for $200 per tire...enough said
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: baker5150 on September 26, 2016, 07:51:47 PM
skwab wants to sell me Toyo's for $400 each with no warranty...i don't take my duramax wheelin but 80% of my miles are on gravel roads and that diesel pig chews up tires for breakfast.  Discount will sell me the same tire make/design/10 ply in a cooper tire with a 60,000 mile warranty for $200 per tire...enough said

Can you elaborate?
I'm assuming the M/Ts? Since shwaub carries a 60k on the A/Ts.
size?

1/2 the price seams too good to be true
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Happy Gilmore on September 26, 2016, 07:54:17 PM
Chevy dealer is working on tracking down a set of factory 17" (if they exist) or a replacement Fuel wheel. I just bought new bfg in 17" after the first one cracked. Sucks. I'm sort of stuck in a hole with this situation
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Special T on September 26, 2016, 08:08:32 PM
Chevy dealer is working on tracking down a set of factory 17" (if they exist) or a replacement Fuel wheel. I just bought new bfg in 17" after the first one cracked. Sucks. I'm sort of stuck in a hole with this situation
You should be able to find factory 17" on climate pretty cheap. What year?
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on September 26, 2016, 08:10:04 PM
YEP, OUR ANNUAL LES SUCKS THREAD.  :beatdeadhorse: :chuckle:

ITS A GREAT PLACE AS LONG AS YOUR YOUR WALLET, OR THE LINE OF CREDIT THEY HAVE IS WIDE OPEN FOR THEM TO CHARGE AWAY AT.  :twocents:

I LEFT THEM YEARS AGO, AND TOOK MY BUSINESS TO LOCAL SHOPS THAT ARE REPUTABLY, AND HAVE NEVER LOOKED BACK. :tup:

I see this thread got you yelling again  :chuckle: yesterday you didn't yell in another thread  :chuckle:

I WASN'T AT WORK.  ;)
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: follow maggie on September 27, 2016, 12:21:17 AM
What truck are you running? I don't buy after market wheels for pickups that are going to be hauling heavy loads for this reason. You just never know if they're up to handling the load, or not.

Birddog, I had the exact same problem with the E Bremerton LEs Schwab. That guy does not know what he's doing, that's a fact.Cost me a tie rod end, shock & tire before I got smart enough to take it someplace else. I've used Discount Tire since, and am very happy there.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: luckyman on September 27, 2016, 05:48:36 AM
Two Schwab wheels cracked. Bought a new one for $214 12 days ago. They wouldn't give me a warranty. In Montana at a field trial yesterday and another wheel cracked.

The wheels were put on by the previous owner so Schwab has told me to take a hike. Whatever you do, never buy anything from Schwab. They sell Chinese crap and their warranty is crap.


Why be upset, you didn't buy the wheels from them.  There not covered under any warranty.
Do you just want something for free?
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: TheSkyBuster on September 27, 2016, 06:13:35 AM
FYI That "cheap Chinese junk" some of you are referring to is likely manufactured in the USA


From 2013:

WHITE, Ga.—Toyo Tire North American Manufacturing, Inc. broke ground on a 1 million sq.-ft.-addition to its White plant on Dec. 6.




http://www.rubbernews.com/article/20131209/NEWS/131209950
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Goex2Fwithroundball on September 27, 2016, 06:55:50 AM
The Chinese crap referred to is the majority of off brand tires and products sold at Schwab.
Name brand tires such as Toyo are a very small percentage of their sales.
In 2012 the trade commission ruled that the U.S. tire market was being flooded with cheap Chinese products and tarrifs were needed to level the playing field with American tire makers. Les  Schwab Corp. based in Bend Oregon fought against  the imposed tarrifs.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Buzz2401 on September 27, 2016, 08:00:59 AM
I had a aftermarket rim crack from schwab 7-8 years ago.  Have never bought another aftermarket wheel since.  Seems like I hear a lot of stories from people who use their trucks to tow/haul that have had aftermarket wheels break.  Not to mention most look like *censored* after a few years anyways.  Was kinda cool when I was younger now I realize just what a waste it is to go buy something that does nothing at all for you.  Its like buying pants with shiny *censored* on the ass no thanks.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: PolarBear on September 27, 2016, 08:26:07 AM
Les Schwab is now owned by a group of attorneys.  They are all about up selling and profit.  Les would be turning in his grave.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: JDHasty on September 27, 2016, 08:29:35 AM
I had a aftermarket rim crack from schwab 7-8 years ago.  Have never bought another aftermarket wheel since.  Seems like I hear a lot of stories from people who use their trucks to tow/haul that have had aftermarket wheels break.  Not to mention most look like *censored* after a few years anyways.  Was kinda cool when I was younger now I realize just what a waste it is to go buy something that does nothing at all for you.  Its like buying pants with shiny *censored* on the ass no thanks.

Most all aftermarket alloy wheels, specifically cast wheels, are not something I would consider risking the safety of my family by putting on any vehicle we own.   
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Happy Gilmore on September 28, 2016, 12:14:44 PM
I got more frustrated trying to get wheels which fit my new tires. Called and filed a complaint with NTSB against Les Schwab and Fuel Off Road Wheels. That was surprisingly easy and the NTSB lady was very nice.

I have emailed Fuel three times now with no response.

I called Les Schwab Corp office and asked for the product safety manager. I spoke with a guy named Casey who seemed concerned. I let him know I filed a complaint with NTSB. He has promised to contact Fuel and figure out how to warranty the wheels because of defects. I told him I do not have confidence that the wheels are safe and do not want another set of the same ones.

He promised to call me back after contacting the manufacturer. I'll let you all know how it goes.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on September 28, 2016, 12:25:56 PM
FACTORY STEEL WHEELS IS THE BEST IMHO.  :tup:
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: baker5150 on September 28, 2016, 12:29:07 PM
I had a aftermarket rim crack from schwab 7-8 years ago.  Have never bought another aftermarket wheel since.  Seems like I hear a lot of stories from people who use their trucks to tow/haul that have had aftermarket wheels break.  Not to mention most look like *censored* after a few years anyways.  Was kinda cool when I was younger now I realize just what a waste it is to go buy something that does nothing at all for you.  Its like buying pants with shiny *censored* on the ass no thanks.

Most all aftermarket alloy wheels, specifically cast wheels, are not something I would consider risking the safety of my family by putting on any vehicle we own.

 :yeah:

And with that, most people buy aftermarket wheels not knowing they have load ratings.
It should be company policy for tire shops to educate the public of such ratings before purchasing.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: jackelope on September 28, 2016, 12:36:37 PM
Evergreen Ford/Chevy has all my business from here on out. They have helped me a long time ago on my 1998 150, gladly helped me w parts foe my dyi front axle f 350 job and now match lowest price I can find on tires and give a cheap diesel oil change w service work. Hard to beat. I'll buy my next rig from them for sure.

Low price guarantee is a Ford program. It's not specific to Evergreen Ford. We all do it.
Also, $40 for an oil change on a diesel truck is a significant net loss for the dealer. Honestly not sure why or how they would do it. They must like working for free and then some.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: jackelope on September 28, 2016, 12:40:07 PM
Two Schwab wheels cracked. Bought a new one for $214 12 days ago. They wouldn't give me a warranty. In Montana at a field trial yesterday and another wheel cracked.

The wheels were put on by the previous owner so Schwab has told me to take a hike. Whatever you do, never buy anything from Schwab. They sell Chinese crap and their warranty is crap.


Why be upset, you didn't buy the wheels from them.  There not covered under any warranty.
Do you just want something for free?

This is a solid point. Usually warranty like this applies only to the purchaser and not subsequent owners.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Rainier10 on September 28, 2016, 12:44:09 PM
Two Schwab wheels cracked. Bought a new one for $214 12 days ago. They wouldn't give me a warranty. In Montana at a field trial yesterday and another wheel cracked.

The wheels were put on by the previous owner so Schwab has told me to take a hike. Whatever you do, never buy anything from Schwab. They sell Chinese crap and their warranty is crap.
So you bought the rig with 4 wheels purchased by someone else before they sold the truck to you?  Then two wheels cracked and you bought one?  Les Schwab won't warranty the one wheel they just sold you?  And now a third wheel cracked in Montana?

I can understand them not warrantying the wheels you didn't buy but there should be some warranty on the one you bought 12 days ago.  Is that one cracked?
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: baker5150 on September 28, 2016, 12:49:48 PM
FACTORY STEEL WHEELS IS THE BEST IMHO.  :tup:

Or go with Alcoa's.

They make aluminum rims rated at 3750lbs in a single wheel application.  And only weigh 24 lbs.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Happy Gilmore on September 28, 2016, 01:17:08 PM
Evergreen Ford/Chevy has all my business from here on out. They have helped me a long time ago on my 1998 150, gladly helped me w parts foe my dyi front axle f 350 job and now match lowest price I can find on tires and give a cheap diesel oil change w service work. Hard to beat. I'll buy my next rig from them for sure.

Low price guarantee is a Ford program. It's not specific to Evergreen Ford. We all do it.
Also, $40 for an oil change on a diesel truck is a significant net loss for the dealer. Honestly not sure why or how they would do it. They must like working for free and then some.

They know I own two old chevy's and one old ford.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Special T on September 28, 2016, 01:17:31 PM
I only run steel wheels for this very reason
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: JDHasty on September 28, 2016, 01:22:23 PM
FACTORY STEEL WHEELS IS THE BEST IMHO.  :tup:

Or go with Alcoa's.

They make aluminum rims rated at 3750lbs in a single wheel application.  And only weigh 24 lbs.

I will not drive on any other alloy wheel.  Period. 
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Happy Gilmore on September 28, 2016, 01:22:35 PM
Warranty applies to original owner. However, defective/unsafe equipment failures is a different issue. SCHWAB guy said warranty is mainly one year on a cosmetic issue but, structural defects should be life time. Schwab has got to be a sizeable customer. If they can't get a supplier to warranty one good customers wheel....well??? I had shocks, alignment, airbags and brakes done there on the truck in the last month and did wheel bearings, new trailer wheels and tires as well. Also, last year had my ford in for alignment, shocks. So, it isn't like I'm not a customer. Well, so far it is unlikely I will be again. And the car/tractor hauler and horse trailer are needing tires so....yeah...they might lose a decent customer
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Bofire on September 28, 2016, 02:50:01 PM
I have always gotten good service and will continue to at Les Schwab.
 I have also gotten good service at Discount tire.
Carl
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: baker5150 on September 29, 2016, 10:22:55 AM
FACTORY STEEL WHEELS IS THE BEST IMHO.  :tup:

Or go with Alcoa's.

They make aluminum rims rated at 3750lbs in a single wheel application.  And only weigh 24 lbs.

I will not drive on any other alloy wheel.  Period.

 :tup:

Not a ton of benefit to allow wheels other than weight, and in light duty trucks the weight difference between that and steel isn't enough to make the argument.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Branden on September 29, 2016, 10:23:49 AM
Schwab has always been good to us. They fix flats for free on tires not bought from them just trying to get your business next time you buy tires.

I got shocks from Schwab. I had one break out here in ND. No Shwabs out here. I took a pic of it. They sent me a new one. I feel like that is going above and beyond.

Regards, Branden
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: baker5150 on September 29, 2016, 10:24:39 AM
Warranty applies to original owner. However, defective/unsafe equipment failures is a different issue. SCHWAB guy said warranty is mainly one year on a cosmetic issue but, structural defects should be life time. Schwab has got to be a sizeable customer. If they can't get a supplier to warranty one good customers wheel....well??? I had shocks, alignment, airbags and brakes done there on the truck in the last month and did wheel bearings, new trailer wheels and tires as well. Also, last year had my ford in for alignment, shocks. So, it isn't like I'm not a customer. Well, so far it is unlikely I will be again. And the car/tractor hauler and horse trailer are needing tires so....yeah...they might lose a decent customer

Was the crack a defect?
Or was it from the vehicle being over loaded above what the rim can handle, by you or the previous owner.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Special T on September 29, 2016, 10:37:53 AM
FACTORY STEEL WHEELS IS THE BEST IMHO.  :tup:

Or go with Alcoa's.

They make aluminum rims rated at 3750lbs in a single wheel application.  And only weigh 24 lbs.

I will not drive on any other alloy wheel.  Period.

 :tup:

Not a ton of benefit to allow wheels other than weight, and in light duty trucks the weight difference between that and steel isn't enough to make the argument.
I think on a semi truck and trailer going from steel to alum on all 18 wheels only saves 450 lbs or there abouts
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: JDHasty on September 29, 2016, 12:36:25 PM
FACTORY STEEL WHEELS IS THE BEST IMHO.  :tup:

Or go with Alcoa's.

They make aluminum rims rated at 3750lbs in a single wheel application.  And only weigh 24 lbs.

I will not drive on any other alloy wheel.  Period.

 :tup:

Not a ton of benefit to allow wheels other than weight, and in light duty trucks the weight difference between that and steel isn't enough to make the argument.
I think on a semi truck and trailer going from steel to alum on all 18 wheels only saves 450 lbs or there abouts

That is 450 lbs of rotating weight though
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: TheSkyBuster on September 29, 2016, 12:43:36 PM
FACTORY STEEL WHEELS IS THE BEST IMHO.  :tup:

Or go with Alcoa's.

They make aluminum rims rated at 3750lbs in a single wheel application.  And only weigh 24 lbs.

I will not drive on any other alloy wheel.  Period.

 :tup:

Not a ton of benefit to allow wheels other than weight, and in light duty trucks the weight difference between that and steel isn't enough to make the argument.
I think on a semi truck and trailer going from steel to alum on all 18 wheels only saves 450 lbs or there abouts



Polished aluminum wheels also dissipate heat way better than chrome steel wheels.  :tup:
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Rainier10 on September 29, 2016, 12:44:11 PM
I heard Les Schwab and Snug Top are in the middle of a corporate merger.

 :peep: :stirthepot:
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: TheSkyBuster on September 29, 2016, 12:45:45 PM

FACTORY STEEL WHEELS IS THE BEST IMHO.  :tup:

Or go with Alcoa's.

They make aluminum rims rated at 3750lbs in a single wheel application.  And only weigh 24 lbs.

I will not drive on any other alloy wheel.  Period.

 :tup:

Not a ton of benefit to allow wheels other than weight, and in light duty trucks the weight difference between that and steel isn't enough to make the argument.
I think on a semi truck and trailer going from steel to alum on all 18 wheels only saves 450 lbs or there abouts





You can cut 300 LBS by just swapping the tractor over.  Polished aluminum wheels also dissipate heat way better than chrome steel wheels.  :tup:
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: JDHasty on September 29, 2016, 12:54:27 PM

FACTORY STEEL WHEELS IS THE BEST IMHO.  :tup:

Or go with Alcoa's.

They make aluminum rims rated at 3750lbs in a single wheel application.  And only weigh 24 lbs.

I will not drive on any other alloy wheel.  Period.

 :tup:

Not a ton of benefit to allow wheels other than weight, and in light duty trucks the weight difference between that and steel isn't enough to make the argument.
I think on a semi truck and trailer going from steel to alum on all 18 wheels only saves 450 lbs or there abouts





You can cut 300 LBS by just swapping the tractor over.  Polished aluminum wheels also dissipate heat way better than chrome steel wheels.  :tup:

Alloy wheels give you more bang for your buck than most any other upgrade. 
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: 2MANY on September 29, 2016, 12:56:03 PM
I thought Les Schwab sold beef.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Special T on September 29, 2016, 01:15:46 PM
Ok my guess was off according to Alcoa it's a 33.3 lb weight save per wheel but then again they are forged wheels not cast.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: thinkingman on September 30, 2016, 08:40:43 AM
Rotational mass has a much higher value than static mass
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: JDHasty on September 30, 2016, 09:23:25 AM
Rotational mass has a much higher value than static mass

Much higher.  Not only in acceleration and deceleration, but in all other performance measures known collectively as "handling" as well. 
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Happy Gilmore on September 30, 2016, 09:20:05 PM
Spoke with corp office guy today. He said an invoice is not required for a structural part failure and they will fix the situation. I explained I don't have any confidence in the quality of the product and asked they try to find me a used factory take off to replace the Fuel Off Road Wheels. He said he will work on it and will refund my money spent on a wheel and if they can't get factory rims for me, replace the Fuel wheel at no charge. Glad they did me right but, not happy I had to spend so much effort to get them to do the right thing when they already knew they can send anything back to the manufacturer a get their own refund.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Happy Gilmore on September 30, 2016, 09:21:28 PM
I thought Les Schwab sold beef.

Beef was free! Come on! Lol
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: quadrafire on September 30, 2016, 10:04:35 PM
Just to jump in on the thread. I've been a Les Schwab customer for 20+ years. No complaints here. Just outfitted 2 rigs in the last week. Two with new rubber and one with new struts.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on September 30, 2016, 10:30:24 PM
Les shwab is the easy " high schoolers lift/tire/wheel credit...
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: JDHasty on September 30, 2016, 10:31:44 PM
Spoke with corp office guy today. He said an invoice is not required for a structural part failure and they will fix the situation. I explained I don't have any confidence in the quality of the product and asked they try to find me a used factory take off to replace the Fuel Off Road Wheels. He said he will work on it and will refund my money spent on a wheel and if they can't get factory rims for me, replace the Fuel wheel at no charge. Glad they did me right but, not happy I had to spend so much effort to get them to do the right thing when they already knew they can send anything back to the manufacturer a get their own refund.

True story.  In the future do some independent research and see if you agree with me if you want to drive home at freeway speeds on cast alloy wheels you have subjected to off road usage where they are stressed to the max. 

Forged Alcoa wheels are something completely different in what you can expect in a wheel failure.  They deform, much like a steel wheel, and do not fail catastrophically when stressed beyond their load capacity.  A casting can end up with micro cracking but remain intact, yet be leaking air and... a low tire generates a HUGE amount of heat and then if the crack opens up at 70 mph a crack can open and you experience a blowout that wraps the tire around the axle and the wheel just flies to pieces at the same time leaving your vehicle, which if it is 4wd has a higher center of gravity anyway, and it pitches all the way down to the brake rotor or drum and that often results in roll over crash.

Yes, they have the look, and yes they are strong enough to carry heavy loads, but when they are compromised catastrophic failure as opposed to a deformed (bent) wheel is how they fail. 

I am not saying forged alloy wheels are stronger, cast wheels may or may not be, but when they fail they don't look and perform like an undamaged wheel.  They may look fine, but they have cracks that you may not be aware of until you make that sudden move to miss a deer or a broken down vehicle that stopped in front of you and making that turning or braking move may be all it takes for "all hell to break loose" at 70 mph. 

   
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: thinkingman on October 01, 2016, 06:52:15 AM
Same reason I'm not a fan of Ruger revolvers.
I'll take forging over casting every time.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 01, 2016, 07:18:40 AM
I buy wheels and tires from Purcell Tire only. I had the same problem with my new wheels cracking. They replaced all wheels with a different brand and even through in a new Michelin LTX tire so my spare was the same size as the rest. That's service..
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: jackelope on October 01, 2016, 07:24:40 AM
Being in the car fixing business, at this point in my career it would take me more than 1 hand to count the number of fracked aftermarket aluminum wheels i have seen. If you ask me, it's usually the wrong application that the wheels are being used in that causes it to happen. Probably, they shouldn't sell those inferior wheels to fit on these big heavy trucks. I see an F350 with a 10' camper in the bed towing a boat rolling on some a/m aluminum wheels at 70 on I-90 over the pass and all I can think about are the cracks.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Happy Gilmore on October 14, 2016, 01:15:14 PM
Well, I want to post a whole bunch of cuss words here. I had them order a bfg for the replacement wheel for a full size spare. Then he says, $600. Nope, they are only crediting one of the wheels that broke. Wanted me to pay for the second one that broke. I was going to pay their price for the tire, which was $60 more than dealer price just to be done with it all.

I'm so pissed off at these lying corporate guy and store manager. Thu said I would be credited for the first wheel, $212 and they will replace the second broken wheel. I said, "you do that my trailer needs new tires ill get it all at once" great, deal.

Well, today no deal. After a 2 hour wait to put on the wheel i dropped off a week ago. That's a total of 11 hours of squatting in a Schwab store and all they ever did was mount one tire.

Never ever again. The people are nice but, when a company manages their business like this they do not deserve anyone's business. Period. And they over price which is just taking advantage of every old grandma who trusted the real Les when he was alive.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Widgeondeke on October 14, 2016, 01:25:59 PM
sounds like you need to call that corporate guy again   :sry:
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Happy Gilmore on October 14, 2016, 01:33:59 PM
sounds like you need to call that corporate guy again   :sry:

Apparently the store manager talked to him this am. I've left him two messages today.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Duckslayer89 on October 14, 2016, 01:42:52 PM
Getting the shcwab brakes torn of and replaced today can't wait for the shutter to stop
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: hollymaster on October 14, 2016, 02:11:08 PM
Being in the car fixing business, at this point in my career it would take me more than 1 hand to count the number of fracked aftermarket aluminum wheels i have seen. If you ask me, it's usually the wrong application that the wheels are being used in that causes it to happen. Probably, they shouldn't sell those inferior wheels to fit on these big heavy trucks. I see an F350 with a 10' camper in the bed towing a boat rolling on some a/m aluminum wheels at 70 on I-90 over the pass and all I can think about are the cracks.
:yeah:  I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: JDHasty on October 14, 2016, 02:18:10 PM
Being in the car fixing business, at this point in my career it would take me more than 1 hand to count the number of fracked aftermarket aluminum wheels i have seen. If you ask me, it's usually the wrong application that the wheels are being used in that causes it to happen. Probably, they shouldn't sell those inferior wheels to fit on these big heavy trucks. I see an F350 with a 10' camper in the bed towing a boat rolling on some a/m aluminum wheels at 70 on I-90 over the pass and all I can think about are the cracks.
:yeah:  I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.

You and me both
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Rainier10 on October 14, 2016, 02:28:26 PM
Being in the car fixing business, at this point in my career it would take me more than 1 hand to count the number of fracked aftermarket aluminum wheels i have seen. If you ask me, it's usually the wrong application that the wheels are being used in that causes it to happen. Probably, they shouldn't sell those inferior wheels to fit on these big heavy trucks. I see an F350 with a 10' camper in the bed towing a boat rolling on some a/m aluminum wheels at 70 on I-90 over the pass and all I can think about are the cracks.
:yeah:  I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.

You and me both
Last weekend I saw a snugtop canopy on the side of the freeway.  I bet the thing had been leaking for a month or more it was so loose and finally just blew off.  :peep: :stirthepot:
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: huntnphool on October 14, 2016, 02:42:37 PM
Two Schwab wheels cracked. Bought a new one for $214 12 days ago. They wouldn't give me a warranty. In Montana at a field trial yesterday and another wheel cracked.

The wheels were put on by the previous owner so Schwab has told me to take a hike. Whatever you do, never buy anything from Schwab. They sell Chinese crap and their warranty is crap.


Why be upset, you didn't buy the wheels from them.  There not covered under any warranty.
Do you just want something for free?

This is a solid point. Usually warranty like this applies only to the purchaser and not subsequent owners.

 +1, I've spent a good deal of money at LS over the years, they have ALWAYS taken care of me.

 I've done some business at Discount and had good experience there as well. :dunno:

 And FWIW, I've had $2400, Made In America wheels crack before, sh!t happens. :twocents:
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: JDHasty on October 14, 2016, 02:43:47 PM
Being in the car fixing business, at this point in my career it would take me more than 1 hand to count the number of fracked aftermarket aluminum wheels i have seen. If you ask me, it's usually the wrong application that the wheels are being used in that causes it to happen. Probably, they shouldn't sell those inferior wheels to fit on these big heavy trucks. I see an F350 with a 10' camper in the bed towing a boat rolling on some a/m aluminum wheels at 70 on I-90 over the pass and all I can think about are the cracks.
:yeah:  I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.

You and me both
Last weekend I saw a snugtop canopy on the side of the freeway.  I bet the thing had been leaking for a month or more it was so loose and finally just blew off.  :peep: :stirthepot:

Not funny McGee

I loaded my blaze clothing into the passenger cabin on the truck because there was a half gallon of water in the bed under the canopy yesterday evening after it had only been being rained on for about two hours (it is parked in the parking garage all day while I am at work).   I wish I had taken a photograph of it.  Anyway I am going to deal with this Snugtop/Kanopy Kingdom disaster in the near future and it is not going to be something they are going to find any entertainment value in. 

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,200278.0.html
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,189237.0.html
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: JDHasty on October 14, 2016, 02:47:53 PM
Two Schwab wheels cracked. Bought a new one for $214 12 days ago. They wouldn't give me a warranty. In Montana at a field trial yesterday and another wheel cracked.

The wheels were put on by the previous owner so Schwab has told me to take a hike. Whatever you do, never buy anything from Schwab. They sell Chinese crap and their warranty is crap.


Why be upset, you didn't buy the wheels from them.  There not covered under any warranty.
Do you just want something for free?

This is a solid point. Usually warranty like this applies only to the purchaser and not subsequent owners.

 +1, I've spent a good deal of money at LS over the years, they have ALWAYS taken care of me.

 I've done some business at Discount and had good experience there as well. :dunno:

 And FWIW, I've had $2400, Made In America wheels crack before, sh!t happens. :twocents:

Exactly what I am talking about

Cast alloy wheels failure mechanism is more often than not due to cracking.  Forged alloy and steel wheel mechanism of failure is almost always deformation.   
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: splitshot on October 14, 2016, 02:50:11 PM
  have had great service from les.  no complaints.    maybe u could go 2 a different dealer.  there r about a 1000 of them,   mike w
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: Rainier10 on October 14, 2016, 02:59:05 PM
Being in the car fixing business, at this point in my career it would take me more than 1 hand to count the number of fracked aftermarket aluminum wheels i have seen. If you ask me, it's usually the wrong application that the wheels are being used in that causes it to happen. Probably, they shouldn't sell those inferior wheels to fit on these big heavy trucks. I see an F350 with a 10' camper in the bed towing a boat rolling on some a/m aluminum wheels at 70 on I-90 over the pass and all I can think about are the cracks.
:yeah:  I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.

You and me both
Last weekend I saw a snugtop canopy on the side of the freeway.  I bet the thing had been leaking for a month or more it was so loose and finally just blew off.  :peep: :stirthepot:

Not funny McGee

I loaded my blaze clothing into the passenger cabin on the truck because there was a half gallon of water in the bed under the canopy yesterday evening after it had only been being rained on for about two hours (it is parked in the parking garage all day while I am at work).   I wish I had taken a photograph of it.  Anyway I am going to deal with this Snugtop/Kanopy Kingdom disaster in the near future and it is not going to be something they are going to find any entertainment value in. 

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,200278.0.html
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,189237.0.html
Wrong, it is hilarious.  Just pushing your buttons man.  I am sorry about your canopy and glad that you can take a good ribbing.

I hope you have a great hunt this weekend.
Title: Re: les schwab junk
Post by: JDHasty on October 14, 2016, 03:11:39 PM
Being in the car fixing business, at this point in my career it would take me more than 1 hand to count the number of fracked aftermarket aluminum wheels i have seen. If you ask me, it's usually the wrong application that the wheels are being used in that causes it to happen. Probably, they shouldn't sell those inferior wheels to fit on these big heavy trucks. I see an F350 with a 10' camper in the bed towing a boat rolling on some a/m aluminum wheels at 70 on I-90 over the pass and all I can think about are the cracks.
:yeah:  I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.

You and me both
Last weekend I saw a snugtop canopy on the side of the freeway.  I bet the thing had been leaking for a month or more it was so loose and finally just blew off.  :peep: :stirthepot:

Not funny McGee

I loaded my blaze clothing into the passenger cabin on the truck because there was a half gallon of water in the bed under the canopy yesterday evening after it had only been being rained on for about two hours (it is parked in the parking garage all day while I am at work).   I wish I had taken a photograph of it.  Anyway I am going to deal with this Snugtop/Kanopy Kingdom disaster in the near future and it is not going to be something they are going to find any entertainment value in. 

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,200278.0.html
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,189237.0.html
Wrong, it is hilarious.  Just pushing your buttons man.  I am sorry about your canopy and glad that you can take a good ribbing.

I hope you have a great hunt this weekend.

Back at ya' buddy, have a wonderful weekend but don't spend too much you have a taxidermy bill for a deer w/two glass eyes to pay for.   I really got a kick out of the daughter's deer story.

Bridget decided she wasn't ready for deer hunting yet (after I worked to get that Contender carbine set up w/7-30 Waters barrel for her), she wants to start with rockchuck shooting.  When she told me that she did remind me though that I am going to pay for her first deer to be mounted "w/two glass eyes."   
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