Post by: spoonman on September 28, 2016, 06:56:53 AM
Post by: Wetwoodshunter on September 28, 2016, 07:10:42 AM
My pants are the Corrugate guide pants and I like them a lot but after 10 days elk hunting and down 13 lbs I had trouble keeping them on without a belt. The pants are slightly noisie compared to wool.
Neither of these are waterproof but they have a resistant coating. Wise hunters throw the rain gear on over them and stay warm. I learned my lesson this year one day, by the time my rain gear was on it was to late.
I will attest though I have the stormtight pants and SEAK jacket, water won't get through these but you can sweat them out from the inside out hiking hard even though they have good vents.
Post by: trophyhunt on September 28, 2016, 07:53:40 AM
Post by: jackmaster on September 28, 2016, 08:13:31 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 28, 2016, 08:52:43 AM
Post by: hunter_sean08 on September 28, 2016, 09:30:09 AM
As a side note, I still have all my old hunting clothes, and they'll probably still get used on some days this season. I really love those old Cabela's fleece pants. They just don't make some things like they used to..
Post by: M_ray on September 28, 2016, 09:47:51 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on September 28, 2016, 10:07:00 AM
I wear old school BDU bottoms from the army in the early 90s and a filson red plaid jacket if it isn't raining and my rivers west jacket if it is !! Works great and not overly expensive:chuckle: the only thing I can agree with here is the army BDU's, BUT only when you know it's completely dry out. I've had my BDU's ever since I was in my 20's, 20 years later they are still going strong, but not for wet weather. And if you walk in rivers west, fu-get aboot it, you will be soaked in sweat. Someday jackmaster will take his training wheels off and join us big boys in the real clothing department!! :chuckle: :IBCOOL:
Post by: jackmaster on September 28, 2016, 10:30:29 AM
or maybe I ain't rich like you so I can't afford that rich stuff or mostly it's because I ain't as much as a puss as you :tup: summer BDU,s may get wet but they dry in a very short amount of time and as far as my rivers west jacket, you don't hike in it, get to where I am going, cool down and put it on over a clean dry tshirt, if your sweating your moving way to fast anyways :tup: but maybe someday if I am lucky I will be the accomplished blacktail hunter you are :tup: but I am probably just dreaming :chuckle: and it's a good thing this thread was individual opinion :tup:I wear old school BDU bottoms from the army in the early 90s and a filson red plaid jacket if it isn't raining and my rivers west jacket if it is !! Works great and not overly expensive:chuckle: the only thing I can agree with here is the army BDU's, BUT only when you know it's completely dry out. I've had my BDU's ever since I was in my 20's, 20 years later they are still going strong, but not for wet weather. And if you walk in rivers west, fu-get aboot it, you will be soaked in sweat. Someday jackmaster will take his training wheels off and join us big boys in the real clothing department!! :chuckle: :IBCOOL:
Post by: boneaddict on September 28, 2016, 10:32:53 AM
Post by: tlbradford on September 28, 2016, 10:33:11 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 28, 2016, 10:34:17 AM
I miss the days when you could get the nice wool pants at the Army Surplus store for $10-$15. I still have a couple of pairs of Swedish Military cargo's. Unfortunately, I need to get in the hills and lose some weight so I can wear them again.
I know the routine! :chuckle:
Post by: jackmaster on September 28, 2016, 10:35:11 AM
I miss the days when you could get the nice wool pants at the Army Surplus store for $10-$15. I still have a couple of pairs of Swedish Military cargo's. Unfortunately, I need to get in the hills and lose some weight so I can wear them again.i suffer from the same thing, I have two pairs of those with the cargo pockets but they were for a 31 waist and I am probably a 35 now :chuckle:
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on September 28, 2016, 11:32:09 AM
Its a great topic tho :tup: Spoonman the best answer is going to vary so much IMO that it will depend on your specific needs, season, weather, how you hunt etc... .
For starters I guess I will list my personal clothing choices for this seasons Backcountry hunt. I spent 20 days in this gear in weather from from 80 degreees to 28 degrees. Rain, snow and heavy wind at times. Most of the time was in the backcountry but there were a couple basecamp nights during really bad weather. Between 6 and 10,000 feet with high activity level overall. In other words I feel it was a decent test.
Boots: Salomon quest 4D ( Lowa Tibet )
Gaiter: Cabelas Instinct/Sitka stormfront
Socks: Fox river liner with Darn tough Merino hiking sock also used a sock called Built by Altera?
Underwear: Sax or Exofficio
Pants: Sitka Ascent for majority. Changed to Timberline for 3 days of the hunt when temps were down and wind high
Baselayer shirt: Sitka Merino quarter zip
Midlayer: Minus 33 Merino quarter zip.
Insulation: REI down Puffy vest
Shell: Sitka DownPour
Hat: Sitka reversible beainie and crusher ballcap
Gloves: Wool mittens
I also used a Kryptek Koldo rain jacket for a few days, but the downpour performed just as well with less weight.
This system worked well for what I wanted it to do overall. A couple things I would change, The puffy didn't see a ton of use. It was very warm, but when temps were down it seemed to also seemed to be raining or snowing and I was going to second layer merino and my shell and staying comfortable for the most part. It was way warm when active but it did get some play time during extended glassing sessions. I will be getting a Firstlight or kuiu merino hoody to replace the minus 33 quarter zip. I like hoods as they block wind around your neck and help hold heat inside. My legs rarely get cold, and I am not a fan of rainpants unless it goes really,really nasty or lots of thick brush (not my case on this hunt) so I carry gaiters for extra protection for my lower legs and they help hold the heat in while glassing.
Obviously I have listed Sitka as my primary clothing options, but that is mainly because I have had it for several years and don't feel the need to change or budget for a whole new ensemble. Plus I like to match :chuckle: But any of the companies competing in this game have dialed in their stuff.
The only piece of this gear I absolutely do not recommend are the Cabelas instinct gaiter. I have had more frustration with them.
That covers the technical clothing I use for backcountry hunting and extended outing living in the same clothes for days at at time. Its designed generally to be weather resistant at worst to impervious at best, breathe decently for active hunting and wide range of temps, allow great range of movement, and be relativly lightweight.
But there are some big downsides as well IMO. Cost. This type of gear from ANY of the manufactures will be considerably more than a product that may perform the same task but not in a "technical" fashion. Durability. While its good, these fabrics are not IMO as durable as a microtex or similar product and certainly will not hold up to a cotton BDU type pant.
Noise: Alot of this gear is aimed toward bowhunters, but I have yet to find a technical fabric that compares to fleece or wool from a noise standpoint. Its a tradeoff but understand that going in. Not as big of deal if using a rifle but still something to consider.
Raingear: My :twocents: If hunting the eastside where temps drop and brush is not as much of an issue in many areas than any of the quality raingear should work well for ya. If hunting westside where its 45- 50 and pouring get the best wool you can find and plan to be at a heat source every night to dry out.
Post by: Buzz2401 on September 28, 2016, 06:37:44 PM
Post by: Bofire on September 28, 2016, 06:51:05 PM
Carl
Post by: JakeLand on September 29, 2016, 05:54:42 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on September 29, 2016, 06:16:33 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on September 29, 2016, 06:31:21 AM
When you feel like stepping up to the plate and letting your boys drop, I have a kuiu brochure on my desk you can look at. :chuckle: 8) :chuckle:or maybe I ain't rich like you so I can't afford that rich stuff or mostly it's because I ain't as much as a puss as you :tup: summer BDU,s may get wet but they dry in a very short amount of time and as far as my rivers west jacket, you don't hike in it, get to where I am going, cool down and put it on over a clean dry tshirt, if your sweating your moving way to fast anyways :tup: but maybe someday if I am lucky I will be the accomplished blacktail hunter you are :tup: but I am probably just dreaming :chuckle: and it's a good thing this thread was individual opinion :tup:I wear old school BDU bottoms from the army in the early 90s and a filson red plaid jacket if it isn't raining and my rivers west jacket if it is !! Works great and not overly expensive:chuckle: the only thing I can agree with here is the army BDU's, BUT only when you know it's completely dry out. I've had my BDU's ever since I was in my 20's, 20 years later they are still going strong, but not for wet weather. And if you walk in rivers west, fu-get aboot it, you will be soaked in sweat. Someday jackmaster will take his training wheels off and join us big boys in the real clothing department!! :chuckle: :IBCOOL:
Post by: jackmaster on September 29, 2016, 06:37:13 AM
thats it? Your not going to give me a few hundred bucks to go with that brochure? Kinda selfish ain't ya? :chuckle:When you feel like stepping up to the plate and letting your boys drop, I have a kuiu brochure on my desk you can look at. :chuckle: 8) :chuckle:or maybe I ain't rich like you so I can't afford that rich stuff or mostly it's because I ain't as much as a puss as you :tup: summer BDU,s may get wet but they dry in a very short amount of time and as far as my rivers west jacket, you don't hike in it, get to where I am going, cool down and put it on over a clean dry tshirt, if your sweating your moving way to fast anyways :tup: but maybe someday if I am lucky I will be the accomplished blacktail hunter you are :tup: but I am probably just dreaming :chuckle: and it's a good thing this thread was individual opinion :tup:I wear old school BDU bottoms from the army in the early 90s and a filson red plaid jacket if it isn't raining and my rivers west jacket if it is !! Works great and not overly expensive:chuckle: the only thing I can agree with here is the army BDU's, BUT only when you know it's completely dry out. I've had my BDU's ever since I was in my 20's, 20 years later they are still going strong, but not for wet weather. And if you walk in rivers west, fu-get aboot it, you will be soaked in sweat. Someday jackmaster will take his training wheels off and join us big boys in the real clothing department!! :chuckle: :IBCOOL:
Post by: trophyhunt on September 29, 2016, 06:45:45 AM
I'm pretty sure financially we are twins!! I know, don't buy any chew for 1 month and put that towards the best pair of pants you've ever worn. :tup:thats it? Your not going to give me a few hundred bucks to go with that brochure? Kinda selfish ain't ya? :chuckle:When you feel like stepping up to the plate and letting your boys drop, I have a kuiu brochure on my desk you can look at. :chuckle: 8) :chuckle:or maybe I ain't rich like you so I can't afford that rich stuff or mostly it's because I ain't as much as a puss as you :tup: summer BDU,s may get wet but they dry in a very short amount of time and as far as my rivers west jacket, you don't hike in it, get to where I am going, cool down and put it on over a clean dry tshirt, if your sweating your moving way to fast anyways :tup: but maybe someday if I am lucky I will be the accomplished blacktail hunter you are :tup: but I am probably just dreaming :chuckle: and it's a good thing this thread was individual opinion :tup:I wear old school BDU bottoms from the army in the early 90s and a filson red plaid jacket if it isn't raining and my rivers west jacket if it is !! Works great and not overly expensive:chuckle: the only thing I can agree with here is the army BDU's, BUT only when you know it's completely dry out. I've had my BDU's ever since I was in my 20's, 20 years later they are still going strong, but not for wet weather. And if you walk in rivers west, fu-get aboot it, you will be soaked in sweat. Someday jackmaster will take his training wheels off and join us big boys in the real clothing department!! :chuckle: :IBCOOL:
Post by: Gutpile on September 29, 2016, 06:50:31 AM
My favorite is Firstlight. I believe they have the best merino wool hands down. The Kanabs are awesome although I wear synthetics in the early season. The Uncompaghre is unbelievable.
For the synthetics I prefer Kuiu but I do own some sitka. There ascent pants are unbelievably comfortable. The way kuiu and sitka cut the wind and keep you warm and dry is incredible. Unlike cotton these pants dry quickly so your not weighed down and freezing your ars off for hours. I've worn the kuiu attacks in some really nasty conditiins and I'm extremely impressed with them.
I just bought some pants from a new player named Pnuma and they seem to be just the ticket for early season eastern wa hunting. They breath far better than the sitka ascent or the kuiu attack and I think that these guys will make there mark.
My favorite clothes I've picked up in the last few years are;
Firstlight Uncompaghre, red desert boxers, Kanab 2.0 and llano and chama tops. Highly recommend. Not to mention their socks. LoL. Love those too!
Pnuma Tenacity pants
Sitka Jetstream light jacket.
For mid season I like the kuiu line. Attack pants mixed with some of their teton stuff is really pretty good.
I wish I could get back the money I spent over the years on the crappy clothes I dropped coin on. I remember buying some wrangler camo jeans for about $60 that lasted two trips before the crotch wore through.
I'd recommend dropping the coin on any one of these brands because they are all far and away superior to anything made of cotton regardless of who makes it.
The ironybin this is that when I saw someone wearing sitka gear back in the day my buddy and I would mock these guys and make fun. "What are these guys thinking spending that much on these clothes?" in hindsight it was we who were the arsholes.
Post by: jackmaster on September 29, 2016, 07:09:54 AM
:chuckle:if I did that I would probably lose my jobI'm pretty sure financially we are twins!! I know, don't buy any chew for 1 month and put that towards the best pair of pants you've ever worn. :tup:thats it? Your not going to give me a few hundred bucks to go with that brochure? Kinda selfish ain't ya? :chuckle:When you feel like stepping up to the plate and letting your boys drop, I have a kuiu brochure on my desk you can look at. :chuckle: 8) :chuckle:or maybe I ain't rich like you so I can't afford that rich stuff or mostly it's because I ain't as much as a puss as you :tup: summer BDU,s may get wet but they dry in a very short amount of time and as far as my rivers west jacket, you don't hike in it, get to where I am going, cool down and put it on over a clean dry tshirt, if your sweating your moving way to fast anyways :tup: but maybe someday if I am lucky I will be the accomplished blacktail hunter you are :tup: but I am probably just dreaming :chuckle: and it's a good thing this thread was individual opinion :tup:I wear old school BDU bottoms from the army in the early 90s and a filson red plaid jacket if it isn't raining and my rivers west jacket if it is !! Works great and not overly expensive:chuckle: the only thing I can agree with here is the army BDU's, BUT only when you know it's completely dry out. I've had my BDU's ever since I was in my 20's, 20 years later they are still going strong, but not for wet weather. And if you walk in rivers west, fu-get aboot it, you will be soaked in sweat. Someday jackmaster will take his training wheels off and join us big boys in the real clothing department!! :chuckle: :IBCOOL:
Post by: birddogdad on September 29, 2016, 07:43:06 AM
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on September 29, 2016, 07:56:28 AM
Post by: PlateauNDN on September 29, 2016, 08:12:21 AM
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Post by: pianoman9701 on September 29, 2016, 08:16:29 AM
Post by: jackmaster on September 29, 2016, 08:26:31 AM
I saw a picture of Fred Bear drawing the bow on an elk while wearing a red plaid wool shirt and wool pants. It makes me laugh when I think of the dozen or so camo shirts and pants of different warmths and styles. This guy got it done wearing everyday clothing. Pretty cool.my pops is the same exact way, he to this day still wears his red and black filson plaid huntn coat, old beat up Levi's, and his Clint Eastwood exact replica cowboy filson black hat, it isn't black anymore though :chuckle: but he has splurged on awesome boots and his old arse still hunts from day light to dark out in the brush.. I know that is how he is gonna die and it would be the perfect way to exit for him :tup: sorry getting off topic
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 29, 2016, 08:27:51 AM
Post by: Buzz2401 on September 29, 2016, 10:35:15 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on September 29, 2016, 11:48:22 PM
Nothing is quieter then wool. That is my main problem with the new gear. If it is waterproof it is noisy. Wool is far from being water proof, but I can be wet and still warm. You also learn to stay dry. Light rain isn't that big a deal, hard down pours find a tree and see if it passes. I go to the store convinced I am going to purchase a new Gortex piece of gear from one of the new companies but always leave empty handed when I remember how noisy they are.
Wool is back in style. Lightweight, base layer Merino wool is so much better than heavy wool. Layers are better than one thick jacket or pant. Plus it dries better and is soft as cotton.
Wool has always been great but the "new" wool has really taken it to the next level. Stretchy, quick drying, comfortable and better dyes too.