Post by: Jeremiah P on February 10, 2009, 07:04:34 PM
Post by: bucklucky on February 10, 2009, 07:06:13 PM
Post by: Red Dawg on February 10, 2009, 07:07:27 PM
Post by: bucklucky on February 10, 2009, 07:11:10 PM
well price may not matter to you with the equip that you have rattled off but the rum is way cheaper to shoot than any weatherby caliber. But you are comparing apples to apples when it comes to caliber, if you are talking about the 30-378 vs 30-338
Explain please , apples to apples 30-338 to a 30-378 ? Am I retarded or something? :chuckle:
Post by: Jeremiah P on February 10, 2009, 07:11:33 PM
Post by: jdb on February 10, 2009, 07:14:12 PM
I guess the retard thing must be going around cause I am a little confused on the one also?well price may not matter to you with the equip that you have rattled off but the rum is way cheaper to shoot than any weatherby caliber. But you are comparing apples to apples when it comes to caliber, if you are talking about the 30-378 vs 30-338
Explain please , apples to apples 30-338 to a 30-378 ? Am I retarded or something? :chuckle:
Post by: bucklucky on February 10, 2009, 07:14:37 PM
Post by: Red Dawg on February 10, 2009, 07:19:31 PM
Post by: bucklucky on February 10, 2009, 07:22:57 PM
Post by: catwithboost on February 10, 2009, 07:23:52 PM
Post by: bucklucky on February 10, 2009, 07:24:55 PM
Ever since I got my Encore in a 300wm I don't want any other.Dude, Encore.....seriousely?!?! :chuckle: seriousely ;)
Post by: jdb on February 10, 2009, 07:25:31 PM
Post by: bucklucky on February 10, 2009, 07:26:27 PM
Post by: jdb on February 10, 2009, 07:29:08 PM
Ever since I got my Encore in a 300wm I don't want any other.hows that thing kick? I shoot an encore .223 and love it and am thinking of buying a big game caliber but as I am an incredible weenie I am a little concerned about kick.
Post by: jdb on February 10, 2009, 07:30:43 PM
Look 3 posts or so up :chuckle:I guess we just established I am not a retard but I am a little slow :o
Post by: catwithboost on February 10, 2009, 07:31:04 PM
:PEver since I got my Encore in a 300wm I don't want any other.Dude, Encore.....seriousely?!?! :chuckle: seriousely ;)
Post by: Red Dawg on February 10, 2009, 07:31:31 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 10, 2009, 07:31:39 PM
Post by: bucklucky on February 10, 2009, 07:32:28 PM
Look 3 posts or so up :chuckle:I guess we just established I am not a retard but I am a little slow :o
:PEver since I got my Encore in a 300wm I don't want any other.Dude, Encore.....seriousely?!?! :chuckle: seriousely ;)
I meant balistics wise they are close enough where you will not see much of a difference. I havent licked that many windows. :'(
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Post by: bucklucky on February 10, 2009, 07:33:08 PM
What's all this talk about the 30-338 and 30-378. Didn't Jeremiah say he was going with either the 300 RUM or the 300 Weatherby? If that's the case I would go with the Remington, just because it's much cheaper to shoot. Why buy Weatherby brass or ammo if you don't have to?
We got off track a little :chuckle:
Post by: Red Dawg on February 10, 2009, 07:34:24 PM
Post by: jdb on February 10, 2009, 07:37:29 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 10, 2009, 07:39:07 PM
you better look again. At least I can read. :P
Who, me? There was no mention of the 30-338 or 30-378 until Bucklucky posted. :rolleyes:
Post by: Red Dawg on February 10, 2009, 07:40:54 PM
Post by: Jeremiah P on February 10, 2009, 07:41:04 PM
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Leave it to charlie to sidetrack a thread, never seen him do that :chuckle:
Post by: TeacherMan on February 10, 2009, 07:41:17 PM
Post by: jdb on February 10, 2009, 07:45:02 PM
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 10, 2009, 07:45:54 PM
The 30-338 is essentially the .300 win. mag.
For your information the 378 weatherby case is the same case for the .416 and .460 wby cartridges. It is an absolutly giant case. It burns truckloads of powder.
The kick will be atrocious without the factory standard muzzlebrake. That is why they come standard with the accumark rifles chambered for those super magnums.
One thing thay you will get with the Weatherby that you may not get with the other rifles is an accuracy guarantee.
I am a weatherby fan so I, of course would say get the Weatherby.
Post by: popeshawnpaul on February 10, 2009, 07:55:03 PM
Post by: EastWaViking on February 10, 2009, 07:58:25 PM
Standard weatherby 300 mag in an ultralight combo if you got a shoulder to handle it. Recoil doesn't bother me though. With a rangefinder the difference between the 30-378 and 300 weatherby is not a huge amount. Both are 600+ yard weapons in the right hands.
Yep, and if you put a muzzle break on it, it doesn't kick at all. My 300 Weatherby with 165 grain noslers and 87.8 grains of reloader 22 is moving out at 3485 fps. (chrono average of 5 shots)
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 10, 2009, 08:05:13 PM
Standard weatherby 300 mag in an ultralight combo if you got a shoulder to handle it. Recoil doesn't bother me though. With a rangefinder the difference between the 30-378 and 300 weatherby is not a huge amount. Both are 600+ yard weapons in the right hands.
Yep, and if you put a muzzle break on it, it doesn't kick at all. My 300 Weatherby with 165 grain noslers and 87.8 grains of reloader 22 is moving out at 3485 fps. (chrono average of 5 shots)
This is so cool. I have shot the 165 gr Hornady Innerbonds through the chrono ahead of 86 grains of RE 22 at 3455 fps. Deviation was only 2 fps. Amazing!
It really is hard to go wrong using the .300 wby. It is an all around performer.
Post by: catwithboost on February 10, 2009, 08:09:58 PM
It's the ADD Charlie Right :chuckle:What's all this talk about the 30-338 and 30-378. Didn't Jeremiah say he was going with either the 300 RUM or the 300 Weatherby? If that's the case I would go with the Remington, just because it's much cheaper to shoot. Why buy Weatherby brass or ammo if you don't have to?
We got off track a little :chuckle:
Post by: BlackTail on February 10, 2009, 09:13:58 PM
Post by: 270Shooter on February 10, 2009, 09:22:29 PM
Post by: norsepeak on February 10, 2009, 09:28:55 PM
Post by: 12Gauge on February 10, 2009, 09:37:41 PM
Post by: haugenna on February 10, 2009, 09:38:02 PM
The weatherby rifles have a 28 inch barrels for the 30-378 and the 338-378. Once you nock of the two extra inches of barrel they are only about 150 fps faster than the standard Weatherby rounds. As they are, they are about 250 fps faster. So the 180 gr. bullet out of the 30-378 is published as 3450 fps. SMOKING HOT the standard .300 wby, which I own, is published at 3240. Measley in comparison.
The 30-378 comes with a 26" barrel and 2" of brake. The brake does nothing for velocity. Your are achieving 3450fps out of a 26" barrel.
The 300 Rum out of the two choces. I would still choose the 300 Rem over the 300 RUM because of the price of brass and or ammo. Only Talking 200fps ish.
Almost ALL premium ammo for these magnum cartridges are ridiculously high.
I am not familiar with a 300 Remington.
Weatherby ultra lightwieght 30-06. It only wieghs 5 1/4 pounds! But since you want a mag I go with the same rifle in 300 wby mag. But it will kick!
:yeah: The best advice so far (minus the insertion of the old timer cartridge) Get the 300 wby in the Weatherby ultralight.
Post by: Antlershed on February 10, 2009, 09:55:48 PM
I'm not a fan of how the weatherbys fit me, but they may fit you fine. I also didn't want to pay for Wby ammo. I say go with the RUM in the XCR. Now you just need to get your accountant to get your taxes done so you can buy it...
Post by: Jeremiah P on February 11, 2009, 06:26:35 AM
And yeah I'll have to shoot your sendero also
Post by: Tim on February 11, 2009, 07:01:37 AM
Post by: woodswalker on February 11, 2009, 07:31:40 AM
The 30-338 is essentially the .300 win. mag.
Uhm No...its actually an analog for the 308 Norma Mag...only reason that the 300WM is longer is that Norma beat Winchester to it. So Winchester stretched the 300WM to get it closer to the bigger 300s. In fact you use the 300 NM loading data for the 30-338.
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Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 11, 2009, 08:43:17 AM
My suggestion is to take this post and throw it in the trash and start all over.The weatherby rifles have a 28 inch barrels for the 30-378 and the 338-378. Once you nock of the two extra inches of barrel they are only about 150 fps faster than the standard Weatherby rounds. As they are, they are about 250 fps faster. So the 180 gr. bullet out of the 30-378 is published as 3450 fps. SMOKING HOT the standard .300 wby, which I own, is published at 3240. Measley in comparison.
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The 30-378 comes with a 26" barrel and 2" of brake. The brake does nothing for velocity. Your are achieving 3450fps out of a 26" barrel.The 300 Rum out of the two choces. I would still choose the 300 Rem over the 300 RUM because of the price of brass and or ammo. Only Talking 200fps ish.
Almost ALL premium ammo for these magnum cartridges are ridiculously high.
I am not familiar with a 300 Remington.Weatherby ultra lightwieght 30-06. It only wieghs 5 1/4 pounds! But since you want a mag I go with the same rifle in 300 wby mag. But it will kick!
:yeah: The best advice so far (minus the insertion of the old timer cartridge) Get the 300 wby in the Weatherby ultralight.
I stand corrected. I just got off the phone with Weatherby and the barrel length, even though it is listed as 28" in their specifications, is actually 26" with an additional 2" for the brake. This is a little misleading on their spec sheet.
Thank you for pointing that out to the readers here haugenna. I really hate propagating false info.
Post by: haugenna on February 11, 2009, 09:23:16 AM
I can see how that could be misleading. I would read it the same if I didn't have one sitting in the safe.
I WISH it had a 28" tube though...think of the velocity :drool:
Post by: bucklucky on February 11, 2009, 09:31:57 AM
The 30-338 is essentially the .300 win. mag.
Uhm No...its actually an analog for the 308 Norma Mag...only reason that the 300WM is longer is that Norma beat Winchester to it. So Winchester stretched the 300WM to get it closer to the bigger 300s. In fact you use the 300 NM loading data for the 30-338.
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Um, not quite. 30-338 isnt exactly the same as a 308 Norma mag but close. I have a Norma . The cases are close but not the same, the norma is 2.559 long and the 30-338 is 2.500 long. None of the case measurements are the same except the caliber. ;) 30-338 is a little hotter too.
Post by: lamar_hunter on February 11, 2009, 09:46:18 AM
Post by: ThePascoKid on February 11, 2009, 10:15:37 AM
Post by: mossback91 on February 11, 2009, 10:53:35 AM
Post by: Antlershed on February 11, 2009, 12:16:01 PM
Yeah those damn accountants :chuckle:
I could yell at him for ya, but he might charge you a "whining like a little girl" fee :P
Post by: jdb on February 11, 2009, 05:35:12 PM
thats what I thought, I was going to go look it up after finishing reading the rest of the thread.
The 30-338 is essentially the .300 win. mag.
Uhm No...its actually an analog for the 308 Norma Mag...only reason that the 300WM is longer is that Norma beat Winchester to it. So Winchester stretched the 300WM to get it closer to the bigger 300s. In fact you use the 300 NM loading data for the 30-338.
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Um, not quite. 30-338 isnt exactly the same as a 308 Norma mag but close. I have a Norma . The cases are close but not the same, the norma is 2.559 long and the 30-338 is 2.500 long. None of the case measurements are the same except the caliber. ;) 30-338 is a little hotter too.
Post by: Intruder on February 12, 2009, 10:24:17 AM
Any particular reason you want that big a cartridge? 300 win mag will cover bout 95+% of all situations in N. America. Unless you really want to get into canyon pounding at 600+ yards the 300 win or 300 wsm are tough to beat and way cheaper to shoot.
Post by: buckhorn2 on February 12, 2009, 11:20:53 AM
Post by: BlackTail on February 12, 2009, 12:51:50 PM
why would you put a 1000.00 dollar scope on a 500 dollar gun go with the weaterby you might as well go all the way.
Are you saying you know somewhere you can buy a new XCR or, even more impressive, an Alaskan TI for $500?? Let me know cuz I'm going to go buy a couple!!
Post by: Antlershed on February 12, 2009, 12:56:24 PM
an Alaskan TI for $500??No kidding. That would be like by one get 3 free... :chuckle:
Post by: mossback91 on February 12, 2009, 01:14:30 PM
Post by: Antlershed on February 12, 2009, 01:19:42 PM
Post by: buckhorn2 on February 12, 2009, 01:53:06 PM
Post by: whacker1 on February 12, 2009, 02:03:05 PM
Good luck with whatever you decide.
Post by: finnman on February 12, 2009, 03:15:36 PM
Post by: Justin C. on February 12, 2009, 05:02:53 PM
I agree .300 win mag, why pay all the extra for the gun and the shells the differences between the .300 wm and .300 weatherby aren't enough to warrant the extra cost. Now i your talking the .30-.378 that's a different story, but if you've ever been around one you'll know even when out hunting you can't shoot that gun more than 2-3 times without it having some serious effect on your hearing. They also blow a great big whole through whatever they hit ruining a lot of meat.
LOL ALL those calibers will blow big holes in an animal depending on range, bullet choice and shot placement. Of the three you asked about I would buy the .300 rum. From personal experience I have seen that the magnums can make up for a poorly placed shot.
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Post by: jdb on February 12, 2009, 06:00:04 PM
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I have seen that the magnums can make up for a poorly placed shot.:bdid:
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Post by: 270Shooter on February 12, 2009, 06:03:18 PM
I have seen that the magnums can make up for a poorly placed shot.:bdid:
:twocents:
Ummmmmmmmm Ok. I don't think magnums should be purchased just to make up for poor shot placement. :twocents:
Post by: Bofire on February 12, 2009, 06:24:44 PM
:)Not to offend anyone but that is one of the stupidest statements I have read on this board.
Carl
Post by: Justin C. on February 13, 2009, 02:43:35 PM
"I have seen that the magnums can make up for a poorly placed shot."
:)Not to offend anyone but that is one of the stupidest statements I have read on this board.
Carl
None taken :) I don't think I worded that very well.
I have just seen cases where an animal has dropped that I believe would have ran if it was shot with a "smaller" caliber.
As an example: Last year I shot my first elk, it was a 3x3 that I shot at just over 400 yards. I shot it with a 30-378 weatherby mag. The bull was quartering away and the shot angle that I had was very tight. I shot just a little farther back then I wanted to and hit the back quarter. The bullet went through the hip bone and all the way through the lungs and through a rib then stopped just inside the hide.
The bull went down within 5 yards and didn't move.
I think that If I would have been shooting 30-06 or something like that it could have been a long night of tracking.
I'm not trying to say that shooting a big magnum gives a hunter the right to take unethical shots. I was just trying to say that if you make a mistake and don't hit right where you want to it can help to kill the animal faster.