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Big Game Hunting => Muzzleloader Hunting => Topic started by: wapiti hunter2 on October 03, 2016, 01:02:21 PM

Title: Better sight for a Knight muzzleloader?
Post by: wapiti hunter2 on October 03, 2016, 01:02:21 PM: Is there a better open sight for a Knight muzzleloader other than a peep sight. My eyes just don't seem to work like they used to and the standard sight is hard for me to see in low light.
Title: Re: Better sight for a Knight muzzleloader?
Post by: Bearhunter on October 03, 2016, 01:10:27 PM: Are you asking about something different than the stock fiber optics on your knight, or did you put a peep style sight on and still don't like that? Just trying to clarify so that we can come up with the rite answer for ya! Williams peep sights are excellent...
Title: Re: Better sight for a Knight muzzleloader?
Post by: jackelope on October 03, 2016, 01:37:18 PM: http://www.midwayusa.com/product/407183/williams-streamlined-hoodless-screw-on-ramp-steel-blue
Title: Re: Better sight for a Knight muzzleloader?
Post by: jackelope on October 03, 2016, 01:39:05 PM: http://www.midwayusa.com/product/334777/williams-fire-sight-rifle-bead-fiber-optic-red#
Title: Re: Better sight for a Knight muzzleloader?
Post by: jackelope on October 03, 2016, 01:39:28 PM: http://www.midwayusa.com/product/156338/williams-ramp-hood-only-steel-blue
Title: Re: Better sight for a Knight muzzleloader?
Post by: jackelope on October 03, 2016, 01:40:45 PM: http://www.midwayusa.com/product/128818/williams-fp-legend-receiver-peep-sight-modern-muzzleloading-knight-legend-wolverine-disc-big-horn-american-and-t-bolt-aluminum-black
Title: Re: Better sight for a Knight muzzleloader?
Post by: wapiti hunter2 on October 03, 2016, 01:49:41 PM: Quote from: Bearhunter on October 03, 2016, 01:10:27 PM
Are you asking about something different than the stock fiber optics on your knight, or did you put a peep style sight on and still don't like that? Just trying to clarify so that we can come up with the rite answer for ya! Williams peep sights are excellent...

I currently have the stock sight. I was looking for something brighter or larger. I max shoot at 50-75 yards. I really struggle beyond that because I just cant see the sights that well. I haven't tried the peep sights.
Title: Re: Better sight for a Knight muzzleloader?
Post by: wapiti hunter2 on October 03, 2016, 01:51:46 PM: What is the purpose of the hood?
Title: Re: Better sight for a Knight muzzleloader?
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 03, 2016, 01:56:52 PM: Quote from: wapiti hunter2 on October 03, 2016, 01:51:46 PM
What is the purpose of the hood?
It gives an alignment tool to be sure that the fiber bear is in the center of the field of view. Like a peep on a bow lines up with the sight pin housing.
Title: Re: Better sight for a Knight muzzleloader?
Post by: JimmyHoffa on October 03, 2016, 02:00:53 PM: brightest and easiest to see might not necessarily be the most accurate...but if you can't see the sight enough to shoot anyways then the accuracy part falls away. I think brightest-easiest for low light are the fiber optics---one fiber on the front sight and two on the rear.
Title: Re: Better sight for a Knight muzzleloader?
Post by: CP on October 03, 2016, 02:19:54 PM: Quote from: wapiti hunter2 on October 03, 2016, 01:51:46 PM
What is the purpose of the hood?

The hood isn’t needed because your eye instinctively centers the front sight in the peep. The hood is just a distraction that leads to over thinking. :twocents:
Title: Re: Better sight for a Knight muzzleloader?
Post by: eliandsky on October 03, 2016, 02:36:11 PM: You got a item number for the hood on midway? Links are not working

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Title: Better sight for a Knight muzzleloader?
Post by: jackelope on October 03, 2016, 02:56:27 PM: Quote from: CP on October 03, 2016, 02:19:54 PM
Quote from: wapiti hunter2 on October 03, 2016, 01:51:46 PM
What is the purpose of the hood?

The hood isn’t needed because your eye instinctively centers the front sight in the peep. The hood is just a distraction that leads to over thinking. :twocents:

Have you ever tried one?

Same concept as lining up the peep sight on your bow and the ring around your bow sight.
Title: Re: Better sight for a Knight muzzleloader?
Post by: jackelope on October 03, 2016, 02:57:20 PM: Quote from: eliandsky on October 03, 2016, 02:36:11 PM
You got a item number for the hood on midway? Links are not working

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They work for me. Dunno.

(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20161003%2F275e77499b7dc0a68118dd97048418f5.png&hash=d599c08e7306bb221e46230b94d7925391dc43ae)
Title: Re: Better sight for a Knight muzzleloader?
Post by: whacker1 on October 03, 2016, 02:59:54 PM: Quote from: wapiti hunter2 on October 03, 2016, 01:51:46 PM
What is the purpose of the hood?

technical purpose for the hood is to protect the fiber from getting broken.

Secondary purpose that many are using it for is to use a larger peep, and align the peep with the hood to center the peep.

The other comment is true that the eye instinctively centers the peep, but my cheek position changes when I change shooting position and thus so does my alignment of the front sight in the peep.

It is worth trying the hood and a larger peep to see if that helps give a better field of view.
Title: Re: Better sight for a Knight muzzleloader?
Post by: JimmyHoffa on October 03, 2016, 03:10:56 PM: and to add, a lot of the earlier rifles didn't have windage adjustments on the rear sight/rear peep. The front sight was dovetailed in. To sight in for a given round, you would slide the hood off then move the sight through the dovetail until you were on horizontally. When done, put the hood back on to protect the front sight from being pushed out of alignment.
Title: Re: Better sight for a Knight muzzleloader?
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 03, 2016, 03:30:25 PM: Quote from: jackelope on October 03, 2016, 01:39:05 PM
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/334777/williams-fire-sight-rifle-bead-fiber-optic-red#
Do they make this with a green fiber?y eyes don't see red fober for crap :chuckle:
Been stopping me from trying this set up
Title: Re: Better sight for a Knight muzzleloader?
Post by: Sabotloader on October 03, 2016, 03:41:24 PM: Williams Front Sight Combinations

Two screws for the ramp... These are from Brownells

(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.brownells.com%2Fuserdocs%2Fproducts%2Fp_962020097_1.jpg&hash=344dc41135f66ed994530271544b309eb1640834)

962-020-097WB
Streamlined Ramp 3/16" Screw-on
Mfr Part: 1690

I believe Williams says a .375N front sight for this application - I prefer a .343N as it fit closer to center under a fires sight hood.

(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.brownells.com%2Fuserdocs%2Fproducts%2Fp_962564320_1.jpg&hash=9f98b3198cc662d1deeb1de6f2f50dace2676ded)

962-564-360WB
Red Fire Sight fits 375N
Mfr Part: 56436

(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2FArchive%2Fhood.jpg&hash=56bedc32109b56c5ebccbe5289f04c915aec938e) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/sabotloader/media/Archive/hood.jpg.html)

962-000-016WB
Fire Sight Hood
Mfr Part: 70031

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/128818/williams-fp-legend-receiver-peep-sight-modern-muzzleloading-knight-legend-wolverine-disc-big-horn-american-and-t-bolt-aluminum-black

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/413ex8hRuIL.jpg)
Title: Re: Better sight for a Knight muzzleloader?
Post by: CP on October 03, 2016, 03:52:53 PM: Quote from: jackelope on October 03, 2016, 02:56:27 PM
Quote from: CP on October 03, 2016, 02:19:54 PM
Quote from: wapiti hunter2 on October 03, 2016, 01:51:46 PM
What is the purpose of the hood?

The hood isn’t needed because your eye instinctively centers the front sight in the peep. The hood is just a distraction that leads to over thinking. :twocents:

Have you ever tried one?

Same concept as lining up the peep sight on your bow and the ring around your bow sight.

Yes, it's distracting so I took it off.
Title: Re: Better sight for a Knight muzzleloader?
Post by: eliandsky on October 03, 2016, 04:36:29 PM: Just like leaving some vignette on your scope or

It's like .22 compitition target shooting super simple super accurate. Match the vignettes.

Thanks for the set ups. I have the rear Williams just meet the front

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Title: Re: Better sight for a Knight muzzleloader?
Post by: usmc74 on October 03, 2016, 05:22:20 PM: You are in Yelm? If you want to come to Snoqualmie, you can try my setup.

I have all the stuff sabotloader listed, on my Knight Bighorn.

I definitely cannot do the stock sights The peep setup works great.

I had to change the front fiber optic to green, because my 62 YO eyes don't see the red in dim light.
Title: Re: Better sight for a Knight muzzleloader?
Post by: LuckyDog on October 03, 2016, 05:48:57 PM: Set up for my son a Williams peep in the back and Lyman target globe with Lee Shaver inserts on the front. Super clear picture!
Title: Re: Better sight for a Knight muzzleloader?
Post by: LuckyDog on October 03, 2016, 05:50:11 PM: Sorry I can't get pictures to post correctly yet :sry:
Title: Re: Better sight for a Knight muzzleloader?
Post by: Buck86 on October 12, 2016, 07:11:08 PM: Lucky Dog I am thinking about converting my front sight to what you have there. Just curious how well you like that? It seems to me you could probably shoot a little farther and more accurately with that front sight.
Title: Re: Better sight for a Knight muzzleloader?
Post by: LuckyDog on October 12, 2016, 07:38:18 PM: Love it, very accurate to a long distance with a very clear sight picture. Feels like a scope without the magnification. My 13 year old son shot his buck with it off hand. Combo of some local posts with the williams fp in the back and the lyman target globe in the front, had to go through couple different companies to get the right parts, easy install.

http://www.gohunt.com/read/skills/increased-accuracy-from-an-open-sight-muzzleloader
Title: Re: Better sight for a Knight muzzleloader?
Post by: Sabotloader on October 12, 2016, 08:58:08 PM: For those that think the hood might be distracting, I would suggest to do not look at the hood itself - look through the hood to the target.

Also when you mention a Williams Hood make sure you are getting the "Fire Sight" hood not the closed hood.
Title: Re: Better sight for a Knight muzzleloader?
Post by: Buck86 on October 13, 2016, 06:50:44 AM: Lucky Dog, Yes I read that article, the problem was it was after my elk hunt. So is that a knight bighorn you have those sights on? If so what height of a front ram, and globe did you get? I am planning on converting my Bighorn over to this sight system. I like the fiber optic dot, but it seems difficult to be very accurate 100yds or farther? Even the tiny dot with a peep or ghost ring covers a lot at a 100yds.

Thanks Buck.
Title: Re: Better sight for a Knight muzzleloader?
Post by: r67968 on October 13, 2016, 08:29:17 AM: I just ordered the parts and pieces for sabotloaders set up.
I am excited to try it on my new ultra lite. Sabotloader, how do feel the coverage is for that front site at distance? Do you use a six o'clock hold?
Title: Re: Better sight for a Knight muzzleloader?
Post by: Sabotloader on October 13, 2016, 01:01:23 PM: Quote from: r67968 on October 13, 2016, 08:29:17 AM
I just ordered the parts and pieces for sabotloaders set up.
I am excited to try it on my new ultra lite. Sabotloader, how do feel the coverage is for that front site at distance? Do you use a six o'clock hold?

The front bead at 100 yards does cover 3" but any time I use open sight I use a 6 O'clock hold on the target. So the object I want to hit is sitting on top of the bead.
Title: Re: Better sight for a Knight muzzleloader?
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on October 13, 2016, 01:23:33 PM: Will.have to upgrade to the Globe front sight! Great find! Thanks.
Title: Re: Better sight for a Knight muzzleloader?
Post by: r67968 on October 13, 2016, 02:02:00 PM: Thanks sabotloader, I appreciate the help.
Title: Re: Better sight for a Knight muzzleloader?
Post by: Sabotloader on October 13, 2016, 04:17:07 PM: Quote from: r67968 on October 13, 2016, 02:02:00 PM
Thanks sabotloader, I appreciate the help.

This shows what I am suggesting

(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2FArchive%2FOpen_sight_pictures1.jpg&hash=e4694212462dd1d6dd1f6f739c47b87f06ea3c80) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/sabotloader/media/Archive/Open_sight_pictures1.jpg.html)

So pic 'H' kinda shows what I am suggesting - but all of these are a 6 o'clock hold...
Title: Re: Better sight for a Knight muzzleloader?
Post by: Buck86 on October 15, 2016, 12:27:02 PM: Just wondering if anyone uses that globe front sight with the cross hairs, and a ghost ring instead of a peep?
Title: Re: Better sight for a Knight muzzleloader?
Post by: floatinghat on October 15, 2016, 04:09:29 PM: Quote from: Buck86 on October 15, 2016, 12:27:02 PM
Just wondering if anyone uses that globe front sight with the cross hairs, and a ghost ring instead of a peep?

One thing to understand that front globe or the standard hood it that low light visability can be a challenge. The Fire sight route that Mike suggest helps a lot.