Post by: UW_Nerd on October 12, 2016, 12:01:28 PM
Thanks,
Nerd
Post by: Kazekurt on October 12, 2016, 12:04:18 PM
Post by: boneaddict on October 12, 2016, 12:06:30 PM
most Muley eye guards if they have them are under two inches. Many are way smaller. Shoot at your own risk.
Post by: UW_Nerd on October 12, 2016, 12:11:05 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on October 12, 2016, 12:13:27 PM
Post by: dmoua on October 12, 2016, 12:13:58 PM
Post by: Henrydog on October 12, 2016, 12:16:34 PM
Post by: WAcoueshunter on October 12, 2016, 12:18:41 PM
Thanks Kazekurt and boneaddict. So do you pass on 2x2's with eye guards or make an on the spot decision?
Pretty sure Kazekurt and Bone don't shoot many two points. :chuckle:
But yes, I think the point is you need to make an on the spot decision, but know that 95% (or more) of two points either don't have an eye guard at all, or have one that wouldn't make the 1" cut. I can think of very very few two points that I've seen where the eye guard makes it legal.
Post by: Buckmark on October 12, 2016, 12:19:57 PM
I let walk a 3x2 (not eye guards) one evening that i was not sure on the the 3x side being legal, only to see him the next evening and another hunter took him, i walked up and noticed that he was legal after all but about 1/2 inch, still to close for me....
Post by: UW_Nerd on October 12, 2016, 12:28:38 PM
Have a good opener,
Nerd
Post by: PastorJoel on October 12, 2016, 12:39:29 PM
*** I got bored and measured them. 2 1/4", 2 1/4", 3" ***
Post by: Henrydog on October 12, 2016, 12:43:04 PM
Post by: huntnphool on October 12, 2016, 01:15:20 PM
Where is that popcorn eating smiley?
most Muley eye guards if they have them are under two inches. Many are way smaller. Shoot at your own risk.
+1
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Post by: PastorJoel on October 12, 2016, 01:33:24 PM
Pastor Joel, you did not really boil that skull in the kitchen did you? My wife would have hung and skinned me. If so, you sir are a stud.
:chuckle: No, I boiled it outside on my deck. I heated the water up on the stove first before going outside. Put the skull in to check fit or something. I don't recall, but I do know I used the back deck.
Post by: Rainier10 on October 12, 2016, 01:48:14 PM
:yeah:Where is that popcorn eating smiley?
most Muley eye guards if they have them are under two inches. Many are way smaller. Shoot at your own risk.
+1
Post by: link on October 12, 2016, 06:15:55 PM
Post by: Kazekurt on October 12, 2016, 07:45:44 PM
Thanks Kazekurt and boneaddict. So do you pass on 2x2's with eye guards or make an on the spot decision?
Pretty sure Kazekurt and Bone don't shoot many two points. :chuckle:
But yes, I think the point is you need to make an on the spot decision, but know that 95% (or more) of two points either don't have an eye guard at all, or have one that wouldn't make the 1" cut. I can think of very very few two points that I've seen where the eye guard makes it legal.
You are correct. I just looked through my rack pile and I couldn't find even one that had an eye guard less than 1 inch. Most were between 1.5 and 3 inches with the longest being 5.5 inches. All of these bucks were 3 pt or better not counting the eye guards so I cannot speak specifically for forkeys.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on October 12, 2016, 07:57:15 PM
I was out this past weekend with a guy that is trying to get his first deer. We spotted a 2 and when it turned, one of its forks split again...barely. I told him not to shoot, just couldn't confirm it was an inch. I'm fairly certain it was, but not worth the risk to find out if I was wrong. :twocents:
Here is a legal 2 that was hanging with the buck I shot this year. Never saw him later in archery or during muzzy so im thinkin somebody gave him a ride home.
Post by: RB on October 12, 2016, 08:13:01 PM
I see more mulies without eye guards than with in general but doesn't mean a lot don't have them. If you can see them from over 100 yards away I would THINK that they are at least an inch long. With that said, when in doubt, don't shoot. It's just not worth it. :twocents:
:yeah:
Exactly how I see it as well, especially since it will be measured from the longest side. Can anybody on here get a picture of how the game warden will measure? We have all read and re-read the regs and know it is supposed to be an inch
Post by: couesbitten on October 12, 2016, 08:40:25 PM
Post by: huntnphool on October 12, 2016, 08:51:22 PM
I've got four mule deer on the wall, all of them have at least one eyeguard per side and the shortest might be 2", longest looks to be more than 3".
I've got four 4+ points on my wall that don't have a single brow tine.
Post by: WAcoueshunter on October 12, 2016, 10:00:05 PM
I've got four mule deer on the wall, all of them have at least one eyeguard per side and the shortest might be 2", longest looks to be more than 3".
Are any of them two points?
Post by: cavemann on October 12, 2016, 10:26:42 PM
Post by: Wingin it on October 12, 2016, 10:56:18 PM
Post by: de0827 on October 13, 2016, 03:33:41 PM
Post by: HuntingPA on October 14, 2016, 11:03:58 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on October 14, 2016, 11:54:13 AM
Post by: huntnphool on October 14, 2016, 11:59:18 AM
Sadly, there are a lot of people that will shoot a small 2x2 and claim the eye guard as the third point. Maybe it's just me, but that drives me crazy.
You are not alone, welcome to the site. :hello:
Post by: jackelope on October 14, 2016, 12:09:44 PM
Sadly, there are a lot of people that will shoot a small 2x2 and claim the eye guard as the third point. Maybe it's just me, but that drives me crazy.
You are not alone, welcome to the site. :hello:
Is it ok if it's a big 2 point with an eyeguard?
Post by: huntnphool on October 14, 2016, 12:28:17 PM
Sadly, there are a lot of people that will shoot a small 2x2 and claim the eye guard as the third point. Maybe it's just me, but that drives me crazy.
You are not alone, welcome to the site. :hello:
Is it ok if it's a big 2 point with an eyeguard?
That would be a matter of opinion. IMO size is relative and to each his own, a "mature" 2 point with or without a brow tine should be legal. ;)
Post by: cavemann on October 14, 2016, 12:32:29 PM
Post by: Dan-o on October 14, 2016, 12:34:19 PM
I have no issue with someone shooting a legal buck.
Post by: JBar on October 14, 2016, 01:13:48 PM
Sadly, there are a lot of people that will shoot a small 2x2 and claim the eye guard as the third point. Maybe it's just me, but that drives me crazy.
You are not alone, welcome to the site. :hello:
Is it ok if it's a big 2 point with an eyeguard?
That would be a matter of opinion. IMO size is relative and to each his own, a "mature" 2 point with or without a brow tine should be legal. ;)
Totally agree with a mature 2 pt reduction, unfortunately people will try to pass off a small or medium size 2 pt as mature. Hard to regulate even though it should be common sense.
Post by: RB on October 14, 2016, 01:16:25 PM
If they didn't want brow tines to count as points they could have easily written the regs that way
I have no issue with someone shooting a legal buck.
:yeah:
Post by: couesbitten on October 14, 2016, 01:35:10 PM
Are any of them two points?
No, they are all at least four points per side.
Post by: Rainier10 on October 14, 2016, 01:39:55 PM
My thought process is always make sure it is at least three without the brow tine then you are good to go. I will say that most that I have seen an eye guard on at 100 yards ended up being over 1" long. Some that I have come up on that I didn't think had an eye guard actually did but it was under 1".
All of the above is just for reference and is no way meant to suggest if you can see an eye guard at 100 yards it is an inch long. Making that call in the field is 100% your responsibility and I would suggest that you error on the side of caution and not take the shot.
Post by: WAcoueshunter on October 14, 2016, 01:55:09 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on October 14, 2016, 02:08:49 PM
I don't disagree that a lot of 3+ point bucks have 1" eye guards (making them 4+ points under the regs). I don't think anyone is. The OP is concerned about 2 points and relying on the eye guard to be a legal third point. That's pretty rare.Fortunately for me I have been lucky to not have to worry about if a small two point has an eye guard big enough to make him legal.
I have had to pass some really big two points that I just couldn't put an eye guard on and man I would have really liked to have been able to get them to grow one real quick. :bash:
Post by: OutHouse on October 14, 2016, 02:09:38 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on October 14, 2016, 02:16:18 PM
With that in mind, whenever I see smaller buck I immediately start dissecting the immediate area. More times than not there is a larger buck close by that just hasn't made himself as obvious as the younger buck. ;)
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on October 14, 2016, 05:12:20 PM
Post by: boneaddict on October 14, 2016, 07:04:32 PM
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Post by: huntnphool on October 14, 2016, 08:31:58 PM
The first is the type of buck I see killed about every year. I seriously doubt the nubs are a inch, yet guys take chances with these type of decisions. It would be nice to see guys look at the rest of the buck and realize even if one of those were a inch, they should pass anyway. :twocents:
The second is likely a year, older. The brow he has I would bet is at least a inch. He looks to have knobby bases and poor genes, take this buck out all day long.
The third is clearly a mature buck but is only a two point. I'd love to see WDFW create a permit targeting these type of bucks.
Post by: PastorJoel on October 14, 2016, 08:38:37 PM
I'd love to see WDFW create a permit targeting these type of bucks.
That sounds hard to regulate.
Post by: MtnMuley on October 14, 2016, 08:45:30 PM
I'd love to see WDFW create a permit targeting these type of bucks.
That sounds hard to regulate.
Impossible to regulate on a general hunt. I've proposed this idea on private lands in certain areas for a youth hunt with ano assigned volunteer mentor and actually had great support from the WDFW Sargeant at the time. I didn't have the time to continue pursuing the option, and regret it now as I had multiple large landowners very interested. I feel this can be done with some consistent effort.
Post by: huntnphool on October 14, 2016, 09:19:44 PM
I'd love to see WDFW create a permit targeting these type of bucks.
That sounds hard to regulate.
Impossible to regulate on a general hunt. I've proposed this idea on private lands in certain areas for a youth hunt with ano assigned volunteer mentor and actually had great support from the WDFW Sargeant at the time. I didn't have the time to continue pursuing the option, and regret it now as I had multiple large landowners very interested. I feel this can be done with some consistent effort.
1 tag in each 200 gmu unit, running through the entire month of November, 2 point only, what's hard to regulate about that? Who would apply for that and shoot the first forky they saw?
I too have been suggesting it for years.
I'd be all over that, I think it would be a great hunt.
Post by: Firedogg on October 15, 2016, 03:24:26 PM
Post by: huntnphool on October 15, 2016, 04:27:16 PM
So... is it a 1" third point on the bedded buck? If you are not sure let him walk.
Hell yeah, he's got a drop tine!
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on October 15, 2016, 04:28:45 PM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on October 18, 2016, 10:44:10 AM
It was tried for at least a couple of years in some Spokane District GMUs, not sure what the outcome was.I'd love to see WDFW create a permit targeting these type of bucks.
That sounds hard to regulate.
Impossible to regulate on a general hunt. I've proposed this idea on private lands in certain areas for a youth hunt with ano assigned volunteer mentor and actually had great support from the WDFW Sargeant at the time. I didn't have the time to continue pursuing the option, and regret it now as I had multiple large landowners very interested. I feel this can be done with some consistent effort.
1 tag in each 200 gmu unit, running through the entire month of November, 2 point only, what's hard to regulate about that? Who would apply for that and shoot the first forky they saw?
I too have been suggesting it for years.
I'd be all over that, I think it would be a great hunt.
Post by: JBar on October 18, 2016, 11:06:07 AM
Post by: finnman on October 18, 2016, 12:51:46 PM
In my experience, a 3/4 inch eye guard (vertical measurement to the beam) measured along the longest edge will almost always be 1 inch or more. I talked to a game warden around Yakima about this and he agreed and said if he were to measure he would choose the longest side and then run his flexible measuring tape down that side until it hit the main beam. He said that usually adds a lot more to the length than people expect. I guess it depends on how they measure but the slightest curve along the edge of the eye guard adds a lot to its length. Best to be cautious though. Here is a nasty two point I stared down last year. I wish he had an eye guard would have dumped him.
I passed a buck up like this on opening morning at 50 yards! Could not for the life of me find an eye guard! And it was a toad!!! Very frustrating to let it walk.
Post by: UW_Nerd on October 18, 2016, 05:25:08 PM