Post by: yorketransport on October 23, 2016, 10:44:17 AM
The shot was a head on shot with an ever so slight quartering angle so I held to the right side of the brisket. At the shot, the buck dropped to his knees, then jumped up and hit the brush which is when I lost sight of him. I immediately second guessed my shot placement based on the reaction. There was no blood trail, no discernible trail of any kind and no noise/thrashing to clue me in to where he went. I was already questioning the shot and performance so I assumed he ran a ways. It actually took me an hour to find the deer which had only gone 15 yards (probably 5 yards of that was rolling down the hill) because he piled up under the waist high ferns and Oregon grape on a relatively steep hill. Here's how I found him.
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When I got him back to the trail I confirmed that my shot impacted exactly where I held, lower half of the right side of the brisket. The right front shoulder was broken and the bullet appeared to be just under the skin all the way back in the paunch just inside the right leg. I waited to gut him until I made the very long drag out (took just shy of 2 hours) to the closest road where I gutted him. Here's the damage I found while field dressing:
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I was impressed to say the least. The bullet is a 6.5mm 130 Accubond. The recovered bullet weighs 103.3 grains and expanded perfectly.
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I got home and started skinning the buck and was absolutely astonished by the damage done by the little accubond. Granted, some of the bloodied meat is the result of blood pooling from the time it hit the ground to the time I had it skinned out. If it had bled out instead of remaining in he body cavity it may have looked a bit different. The damage cause is what amazed me. Here's the point of entry.
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Here's where it passed into the rib cage.
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One of the big questions was how well the little 130 Accubond would hold up and perform. It penetrated in a straight line for 27" and retained 80% of it's weight! This included breaking 3 ribs and going through the paunch; I was very impressed.
I met up with my father in law while dropping the meat off at the shop to get cut and I showed him the damage done and asked him which gun he though I used and the range. Based on what he saw he guessed a high velocity hit at close range. The guys at the meat shop made a similar comment about that's what happens when you shoot small deer with big guns. When I told them that this was done by a 130 Accubond in 6.5 mm they were stunned.
At this point I feel like I may have underestimated the performance of some of the small bore rounds. I've always been a medium (.338 and up) caliber guy, but the only real advantage I can see from a larger bore in this case may have been a blood trail to follow. Feel free to guess the cartridge used and impact velocity. Also, if you have any good info on bullet performance from this year please share it.
Post by: Angry Perch on October 23, 2016, 01:28:53 PM
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Post by: jay.sharkbait on October 23, 2016, 01:51:21 PM
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Post by: lamrith on October 23, 2016, 05:29:17 PM
6.5 grendel. You had great penetration but I feel the overall damage to the vitals isn't really that impressive for the average deer calibers (308 win, 270, 30-06). It put holes in them which is good but didn't really seem to blow them to pieces which could be good or bad depending on how you look at it^^ Given the bullet weight that is my guess as well. The 129ABLR is also supposed to be a very good round for that caliber, though 123g is much more common.
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Post by: Thefishguy77 on October 23, 2016, 07:22:43 PM
Tagging for sure. Im going with 168gr sierra matchkings for my 308 ar10 308 build. Im thinking varget mid range load and wok up towards max. Ill take any feedback on bullet oerformance on game.
Look at the Berger VLD hunting hybrid bullet. They fly as good as the match kings and hit like a ton of bricks. My group I hunt with all use AR 10 (308) variants and all settled on that round. With playing with different hand loads we settled on varget for a powder and all group around 1/2 minute @ 100 M. Using IMR4064 I was able to shoot 1/2-3/4 minute groups as well.
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Post by: freezerfull on October 23, 2016, 07:36:12 PM
Post by: yorketransport on October 23, 2016, 10:23:02 PM
6.5 Carcano at 88 yards?
That's oddly specific but darn close! :tup:
6.5 TCU for an odd ball choice
Man I miss my TCU....
.264 LBC?
That's it! I ran the little CZ 527 at about 50 yards.
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6.5 grendel. You had great penetration but I feel the overall damage to the vitals isn't really that impressive for the average deer calibers (308 win, 270, 30-06). It put holes in them which is good but didn't really seem to blow them to pieces which could be good or bad depending on how you look at it
I agree that the damage was in line with a 308, 270 or 30-06 and that was what surprised me. Consider that the impact velocity was only about 2350 fps though. I was just surprised by the damage done at relatively low velocity by the small bore round. I've seen significantly less tissue damage done by a 225gr Partition at over 2600 fps impact velocity.
Over all I'm really happy with how the accubond performed. It penetrated well, expanded well at the impact velocity and followed an almost JFK magic bullet like path managing to hit every vital organ. :chuckle:
Post by: Chesapeake on October 24, 2016, 12:59:13 PM
Advertised minimum velocity is 1800 fps I believe.
Post by: Special T on October 24, 2016, 01:20:23 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on October 24, 2016, 05:52:00 PM
6.5 Carcano at 88 yards?
No one?
Nobody?
Geeze
Post by: Special T on October 24, 2016, 06:00:25 PM
I have no idea what that round is... what case is it based off?6.5 Carcano at 88 yards?
No one?
Nobody?
Geeze
Post by: jay.sharkbait on October 24, 2016, 06:25:40 PM
I have no idea what that round is... what case is it based off?6.5 Carcano at 88 yards?
No one?
Nobody?
Geeze
Old Italian military cartridge. Similar ballistics as the Grendel and similar terminal performance on 100-200 pound mammals.
Post by: HawkCreek on October 24, 2016, 06:28:47 PM
I have no idea what that round is... what case is it based off?6.5 Carcano at 88 yards?
No one?
Nobody?
Geeze
He's referencing the rifle and distance of the JFK assassination...
Post by: jay.sharkbait on October 24, 2016, 06:31:23 PM
I have no idea what that round is... what case is it based off?6.5 Carcano at 88 yards?
No one?
Nobody?
Geeze
He's referencing the rifle and distance of the JFK assassination...
Bingo. Actually the first shots were closer. The headshot was 88( maybe).
Post by: yorketransport on October 24, 2016, 09:24:07 PM
I have no idea what that round is... what case is it based off?6.5 Carcano at 88 yards?
No one?
Nobody?
Geeze
He's referencing the rifle and distance of the JFK assassination...
Bingo. Actually the first shots were closer. The headshot was 88( maybe).
Come on now, we all know it was one bullet fired from the Texas School book depository........ :stirthepot: :tinfoil:
I have the only documented case of a "magic bullet" here. :chuckle:
Post by: jay.sharkbait on October 24, 2016, 09:35:59 PM
I have no idea what that round is... what case is it based off?6.5 Carcano at 88 yards?
No one?
Nobody?
Geeze
He's referencing the rifle and distance of the JFK assassination...
Bingo. Actually the first shots were closer. The headshot was 88( maybe).
Come on now, we all know it was one bullet fired from the Texas School book depository........ :stirthepot: :tinfoil:
I have the only documented case of a "magic bullet" here. :chuckle:
Uhhhhh, ok
Back and to the left
Post by: jay.sharkbait on November 05, 2016, 07:39:58 PM
130 grain Accubond
Broke one rib near side one far side and destroyed heart.
Post by: yorketransport on November 05, 2016, 08:12:35 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on November 05, 2016, 08:30:54 PM
Nice! How was the exit wound?
Good. It left a very short, but useable blood trail.
Heart definately wasn't working.
Post by: 2labs on November 05, 2016, 08:31:59 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on November 05, 2016, 08:41:41 PM
Keep inventing the wheel? 6.5x55!
Grendel allows you to use a much smaller platform.
Post by: yorketransport on November 06, 2016, 11:01:36 AM
:yeah:Keep inventing the wheel? 6.5x55!
Grendel allows you to use a much smaller platform.
The 6.5x55 is a very cool round, but it needs a medium-long action to function. The little Grendel works out of a mini action even smaller than a standard short action. The CZ 527 platform is built around 2.800" cartridges like the 223 and 7.62x39 so it's smaller in every dimension.
Post by: 7mmstalker on November 06, 2016, 12:14:58 PM
Premium controlled expansion bullets are the magic to add versatility to any cartridge. Medium sized can penetrate like an '06 or 270Win, 30-06 class will kill with authority of bigger magnums.
Excellent expansion and penetration .
Just returned from caribou hunting and used a 300 WSM with Accubond 165gr slugs. My son finished,after my less than perfect shot, with a 150gr X bullet out a 7mm Rem mag.
We didn't get to have our slugs to examine, both pass-throughs at 300 yards broadside. Although very little hydraulic damage usually found with high velocity.
I used to complain about the cost of premium bullets, never again.
Not trying to hi-jack the the thread, the pics here of Yorke's blacktail really show the beauty of a comfortable, accurate chambering at max potential from quality loads.
The popular european hunting loads bear this out, I am always reading that the 6.5 swede is a very common moose hunting round.
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on November 06, 2016, 01:03:56 PM
Post by: yorketransport on November 06, 2016, 08:00:07 PM
Congratz on the Buck yorke! And thanks for the info. :tup: I have a question, what is a 6.5 LBC? And another question, I am getting pretty serious about a centerfire rifle for my daughter. She is small. I am familiar with the usual "small" deer cartridges, 7mm08, .243 etc..... but these other calibers sound like they may even more shootable for small frame shooters and/or able to be built on platforms that may be more comfortable. Is this true or not? Sorry to derail, if i need to start another thread I am happy to!
The 264 LBC is just a 6.5 Grendel with some changes to the throat angle. It shoots factory 6.5 Grendel just fine. The 6.5 Grendel, if you're not familiar with it, is essentially a 7.62x39 case necked down to 6.5 and improved slightly. Kind of like a 6.5 PPC.
I had the little CZ 527 used on these 2 deer built for my son and it's perfect for him. It started as a 527 Carbine in 7.62x39 and I had it rebarreled by Grizz Precision to 264 LBC/6.5 Grendel with a 20" barrel. The size and weight is perfect for small stature shooters, but not so small that it won't fit a full size adult, even a guy who's well over 6'! I like it so much that it's become my go to truck/walking through the woods rifle. I believe that Howa has a new mini action that they're chambering in 6.5 Grendel as well which would likely be a faster, less expensive way to get the same result.
There are quite a few new cartridges floating around that were originally intended for the AR 15 platform that (like the Grendel) that would work great in a little bolt action too. I'm a big fan of the little 6mm BR case and the other rounds built off of it. I'm just starting to work with another round called the 270 AR that should offer a decent performance advantage over the 6.5 grendel. It would be a great round to chamber in one of these little mini actions if you could make it fit.
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on November 06, 2016, 08:04:31 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on November 06, 2016, 10:02:34 PM
Rifle has a serious punch for such a small package and is very accurate.My shot was under 400 but more than Yorke's and I would not hesitate to use 6.5 Grendel on an Elk.