Post by: bowjunkie on October 24, 2016, 10:34:09 AM
thanks again
Post by: addicted2hunting on October 24, 2016, 11:08:04 AM
Post by: bowjunkie on October 24, 2016, 11:35:22 AM
Post by: JLS on October 24, 2016, 11:37:17 AM
not sure if you are stuck on a DD or if the GWP route is ok with you. If you are ok with the GWP variant then I have seen a lot of Bone point kennels dogs and they are top notch. they score well in NAVHDA and are hunting machines.
I'll second the Bone Point dogs, they are outstanding hunters. If you put a neoprene vest on a Wirehair he'll hunt cold weather no problem.
Post by: birdhntr on October 24, 2016, 01:02:14 PM
Post by: addicted2hunting on October 24, 2016, 01:02:52 PM
Post by: bowjunkie on October 24, 2016, 01:09:52 PM
Post by: AspenBud on October 24, 2016, 05:04:54 PM
I've seen both DD and Gwp. Wirehairs from the right breeding will do any cold weather hunting you can throw at them. I know most DD people will argue this but the difference between a gwp and a DD aren't much. It's the breeding itself that means most. Kelly jobes at bone point puts out some of the best wirehairs out there right now. I can promise you won't have any cold weather problems with one of his dogs.
Arguably the biggest difference is in sharpness. DD's are far more interested in killing furry critters than GWP's...though that's relative.
Post by: addicted2hunting on October 24, 2016, 05:25:50 PM
Post by: ForestDump on October 25, 2016, 02:50:50 AM
Post by: jagermiester on October 25, 2016, 06:05:14 AM
Post by: Duckgtr on October 27, 2016, 08:10:19 AM
Post by: ribka on October 27, 2016, 09:04:11 AM
another less common breed is the wired hair pointing griffon. Great prey drive, very friendly with people and other pets livestock, smart and versatile breed ( upland waterfowl) indoor family dog but without the great need to go after everything
as said most important is the breeding and genetics
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi862.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fab186%2Fribka123%2Frose3_zpsmwjndaei.jpg&hash=26f459fe8d0bc4da0a84a3fc670bc0be643c0f77) (http://s862.photobucket.com/user/ribka123/media/rose3_zpsmwjndaei.jpg.html)
I've seen both DD and Gwp. Wirehairs from the right breeding will do any cold weather hunting you can throw at them. I know most DD people will argue this but the difference between a gwp and a DD aren't much. It's the breeding itself that means most. Kelly jobes at bone point puts out some of the best wirehairs out there right now. I can promise you won't have any cold weather problems with one of his dogs.
Arguably the biggest difference is in sharpness. DD's are far more interested in killing furry critters than GWP's...though that's relative.
Post by: Ruger on October 28, 2016, 08:21:10 AM
Post by: AspenBud on October 28, 2016, 04:57:02 PM
Years ago had a DD and great prey drive but he went after everything including chickens and cats despite my efforts to socialize
another less common breed is the wired hair pointing griffon. Great prey drive, very friendly with people and other pets livestock, smart and versatile breed ( upland waterfowl) indoor family dog but without the great need to go after everything
as said most important is the breeding and genetics
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi862.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fab186%2Fribka123%2Frose3_zpsmwjndaei.jpg&hash=26f459fe8d0bc4da0a84a3fc670bc0be643c0f77) (http://s862.photobucket.com/user/ribka123/media/rose3_zpsmwjndaei.jpg.html)I've seen both DD and Gwp. Wirehairs from the right breeding will do any cold weather hunting you can throw at them. I know most DD people will argue this but the difference between a gwp and a DD aren't much. It's the breeding itself that means most. Kelly jobes at bone point puts out some of the best wirehairs out there right now. I can promise you won't have any cold weather problems with one of his dogs.
Arguably the biggest difference is in sharpness. DD's are far more interested in killing furry critters than GWP's...though that's relative.
I've seen a lot of people write about how much they love their Griffs. I've also talked to a few and their comments about them were the same.
Wirehairs and DD's, no one argues their hunting prowess. The problem is they aren't afraid of a fight (fun times with skunks, porcupines, and snakes) and a number of them like to kill everything with fur. I'm sure they all come with their own quirks, but if I was looking for an "ugly dog" I'd be looking at a Pudelpointer, WPG, or Spinone. There is a really great Pudelpointer breeder out around Bend I am told and I know that Birdsboro Pointers and Spinoni in Michigan produced a dog (Birdsboro Punta Garin) that has done very well in NAVHDA events in the last year or two, as in making history for the breed (Spinoni) in NAVHDA.
Post by: constructeur on October 29, 2016, 10:18:25 AM
Post by: addicted2hunting on October 29, 2016, 07:02:27 PM
Post by: coachcw on October 29, 2016, 08:07:31 PM
Post by: pens fan on October 30, 2016, 12:06:38 AM
Ducks, geese, doves, chukar, quail, pheasant, turkeys....you name it...all at a whopping 40 pounds or less.
Water, land, mud....and no tail destroying your house.
Does not shed like most dogs and are easy on sensitive allergenic people. Family dog all the way.
Post by: bowjunkie on October 30, 2016, 07:32:25 AM
Post by: pens fan on October 30, 2016, 09:32:11 AM
Post by: 3dvapor on October 30, 2016, 09:51:07 AM
Post by: jagermiester on October 30, 2016, 07:53:09 PM
Bud, would it be fair to say that GWP's liking to fight is from years ago when they were heavily bred to DD's or imports from Deutschland? That's what I've gathers from long time breeders and what my own eyes have shown me.
From what I understand.
German wirehaired pointers and Deutsch Drahthaars are the same breed. The only difference is the testing required to be called a DD is stricter.
I have a GWP and he has an amazing prey drive. Annoying at times unless you are hunting with him. A lot of DD in his pedigree.
Post by: JJB11B on October 30, 2016, 08:05:50 PM
Post by: JODakota on October 30, 2016, 08:51:40 PM
Years ago had a DD and great prey drive but he went after everything including chickens and cats despite my efforts to socialize
another less common breed is the wired hair pointing griffon. Great prey drive, very friendly with people and other pets livestock, smart and versatile breed ( upland waterfowl) indoor family dog but without the great need to go after everything
as said most important is the breeding and genetics
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi862.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fab186%2Fribka123%2Frose3_zpsmwjndaei.jpg&hash=26f459fe8d0bc4da0a84a3fc670bc0be643c0f77) (http://s862.photobucket.com/user/ribka123/media/rose3_zpsmwjndaei.jpg.html)I've seen both DD and Gwp. Wirehairs from the right breeding will do any cold weather hunting you can throw at them. I know most DD people will argue this but the difference between a gwp and a DD aren't much. It's the breeding itself that means most. Kelly jobes at bone point puts out some of the best wirehairs out there right now. I can promise you won't have any cold weather problems with one of his dogs.
Arguably the biggest difference is in sharpness. DD's are far more interested in killing furry critters than GWP's...though that's relative.
I can vouch for this. Good retrievers too, handled the cold Dakota winter just fine!
Post by: NW-GSP on October 30, 2016, 09:51:05 PM
Post by: bowjunkie on October 31, 2016, 01:01:15 PM
Post by: constructeur on November 01, 2016, 08:07:12 PM
we will see what happens.
You're going to come back with a bon3rnado for a kick butt GWP is what's going to happen.
buy the ticket, take the ride...
Post by: bowjunkie on November 02, 2016, 04:14:18 PM
Post by: JLS on November 02, 2016, 04:58:58 PM
been trying to search feature but did not find allot about the clicker method is it worth it? i have ordered the Chuck Johnson training a versatile hunting dog and will get it in the mail tomorrow what other DVD, book, youtube do you guys use? THANKS
I used Chuck Johnson's book exclusively. I did look up some additional stuff online when I was going through the force fetch training. I found out that it is really easy to over pressure a dog, and mine was shutting down on me. Gave it a break, tried a softer method and had great results.
Post by: aaronoto on November 02, 2016, 07:26:29 PM
been trying to search feature but did not find allot about the clicker method is it worth it? i have ordered the Chuck Johnson training a versatile hunting dog and will get it in the mail tomorrow what other DVD, book, youtube do you guys use? THANKS
Check out the DVDs A Perfect Start/Perfect Finish from Perfection Kennels.
Post by: bowjunkie on November 05, 2016, 05:08:38 PM
Post by: jagermiester on November 05, 2016, 07:29:11 PM
Post by: Commando on November 06, 2016, 05:30:19 PM
Post by: constructeur on November 06, 2016, 06:03:35 PM
Post by: bowjunkie on November 07, 2016, 05:28:18 AM
Post by: ForestDump on November 07, 2016, 07:46:53 AM
Bone point kennel an we got a male. Last night was the first night home there is a reason puppies and children are so cute.
So you don't kill them when they destroy everything. Good looking pup congrats with the purchase.
Post by: jagermiester on November 07, 2016, 03:00:43 PM
Post by: bowjunkie on November 07, 2016, 05:26:14 PM
Post by: addicted2hunting on November 07, 2016, 06:06:10 PM
Post by: JLS on November 07, 2016, 09:04:07 PM
Just looked at the pedigree does not look like any three devils very happy with bone point and Kelly super good guy really made it easy and very helpfull unlike some other kennels
I agree, Kelly is a super guy. It was really enjoyable and educational to deal with him when I got my dog. I agree, take your time, be patient and consistent. I had never had a pointing dog before this one, and I am amazed at what he's turned in to.
Post by: jagermiester on November 09, 2016, 12:54:42 PM
Just looked at the pedigree does not look like any three devils very happy with bone point and Kelly super good guy really made it easy and very helpfull unlike some other kennelsDen drei Teufeln
Post by: bowjunkie on November 09, 2016, 04:49:37 PM
this is the link of his pedigree
http://www.bonepointkennels.com/Pedigrees/Sarge%20x%20Tater.htm
Post by: jagermiester on November 09, 2016, 05:29:36 PM
Post by: jagermiester on November 09, 2016, 05:33:08 PM
You got good line's.
Post by: bowjunkie on November 09, 2016, 06:08:41 PM
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Post by: kball4 on November 29, 2016, 04:57:16 PM