Post by: buglin4bulls on October 26, 2016, 05:49:17 AM
Character and great mass that was on the hit list. We hit the hills yesterday morning but it was pretty quiet. The wind had pushed everything down in the deep and steep so we decided to go in and get them up. As we pushed through the bottoms we found the elk but nothing shooter worthy. Low 300 bulls. Great bulls for any other day of the week but not this early on in the hunt. We glassed a few more bulls before dusk and headed back to town for dinner. This morning started off with a couple nice 6x6s moving but nothing he wanted to shoot yet. A buddy of ours texted us and said to meet him at notellum ridge and to hurry! So we hiked back to the truck and headed to him. He had found the bull he scouted that summer. The bull was moving up a drainage to his bed with his cows. For some reason he hadn't left them yet and bachelored back up. He settled in and squeezed one off. You could hear the bullet thwack the bull. Bull down at 845 and back with all the meat at 130. It was an awesome experience and I can't wait till i can draw a tag down there. The bull is a 7x8 possibly 8x8 with a inch point on the top of one of the eye guards. The pics don't it justice. You can't put your fingers together around the main beam anywhere. Official ruff score from cedar river taxidermy was 386 with the broken G5 but if he had broken off and matched his right side, he'd be around 393-394.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20161026%2F2ecdfcf3ff894ca7b84f4f7f12bdc3ae.jpg&hash=2823b2a02a50f8d499ad8da89f926439f7128ad6)
Post by: trophyhunt on October 26, 2016, 05:58:44 AM
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Post by: go4steelhd on October 26, 2016, 06:08:12 AM
Thanks for sharing it :tup:
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Post by: jackelope on October 26, 2016, 07:31:17 AM
Apparently we both fixed the pictures at the same time.....lol
LOL
Post by: buglin4bulls on October 26, 2016, 07:41:30 AM
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Post by: buglin4bulls on October 28, 2016, 06:22:40 PM
Stud bull!! Looks like this guy. Did you guys get him on state land?
Yep state land.
Post by: buglin4bulls on October 28, 2016, 07:41:32 PM
Right on congrats! Didn't mean to ruffle any feathers asking a simple question about a unit consisting of a lot of private property. I like to see people that don't have access to private property take a bull like that.
He definitely put in his time scouting on the state land to find them this summer and also his friend knows the area very well and they put there knowledge together and put the hammer down on this stud.
Post by: ShaneTyTrey on October 28, 2016, 08:10:02 PM
Post by: 400gross on October 29, 2016, 07:41:43 AM
Post by: buglin4bulls on October 29, 2016, 08:04:01 AM
Did you put a tape on him :drool:
Yes the taxidermy scored him at 386 with the broken g5. If he was to match his right side he would be 393-394
Post by: Euro mount on October 29, 2016, 08:24:11 AM
Post by: meatwhack on October 29, 2016, 09:58:23 AM
Post by: Euro mount on October 29, 2016, 03:22:22 PM
Post by: heronblu on October 29, 2016, 03:26:03 PM
Oh I know but that is a picture of him last fall
:dunno:
Post by: Muleyslyr on October 29, 2016, 04:09:47 PM
Post by: Zaner on October 30, 2016, 08:19:36 AM
I'm not sure who your buddy is, but the end of short ridge is definitely not state groud. I haven't walked over there yet to make sure, but I'm 90% sure I know where that is. And it's not feel free to hunt. And from the sounds of it, you already knew that so I'm confused.
However, if I'm wrong then I apologize and congratulations on a great bull! I knew he was going to get harvested this year but I was still sad to see him go.
Post by: meatwhack on October 30, 2016, 08:41:05 AM
Post by: 400gross on October 30, 2016, 09:10:55 AM
Post by: Zaner on October 30, 2016, 09:15:53 AM
Post by: Landowner on October 30, 2016, 11:13:51 AM
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Yep state land.
:chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: buglin4bulls on October 30, 2016, 11:31:32 AM
QuoteYep state land.
:chuckle: :chuckle:
Sorry he was shot on forest service land not state land. I stand corrected
Post by: Landowner on October 30, 2016, 11:35:30 AM
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Sorry he was shot on forest service land not state land. I stand corrected
:chuckle: :chuckle:
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Post by: WaHeadhunter on November 07, 2016, 07:00:50 PM
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Word in Columbia County is that the cape for this bull elk is now in possession of WDFW Enforcement.....
Now isn't that an interesting development.
Post by: go4steelhd on November 07, 2016, 07:27:23 PM
I guess time will tell.
Post by: jackelope on November 07, 2016, 07:51:37 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on November 07, 2016, 09:16:59 PM
Post by: DaveMonti on November 07, 2016, 09:23:58 PM
Post by: Katmai Guy on November 07, 2016, 09:25:08 PM
Post by: DaveMonti on November 07, 2016, 09:38:59 PM
From the previous comments, I'm guessing the issue is tresspass?
One might thing, but we should all speculate, claim to know someone who was there, claim to know the WDFW officers who served the warrant, maybe even claim to have been there ourselves. Let's not let anything stop us from speculating and trying the whole lot right here online.
Please, quit dancing around the story folks, get to the claims, speculation, declarations and entertainment! The Bullwinkle thread has been quiet for far too long!
Post by: Katmai Guy on November 07, 2016, 09:42:27 PM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on November 07, 2016, 09:46:07 PM
100% speculation.
Post by: Mr Mykiss on November 07, 2016, 09:50:59 PM
Seriously though...Probably all on the up and up and it's all a giant hoax.
Post by: Stein on November 07, 2016, 09:51:54 PM
Post by: Jpmiller on November 08, 2016, 06:52:08 AM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on November 08, 2016, 07:08:34 AM
Post by: Elkrunner on November 08, 2016, 07:13:44 AM
Post by: Daytonite on November 08, 2016, 07:58:50 AM
Word in Columbia County is that the cape for this bull elk is now in possession of WDFW Enforcement.....
Don't know about the cape, but the antlers definitely are.
Post by: quadrafire on November 08, 2016, 08:14:12 AM
I'm looking forward to the entire story
Post by: Landowner on November 08, 2016, 08:44:59 AM
A general issue that gets discussed on H-W a lot is property rights and rules. Most are fundamental and common sense principles. And most hunters are very respectful of those principles. Before I venture onto my neighbor's property, or your property, I get permission or I won't step onto it. It's common sense and it's the law. Because of that, the so called "local" and other purported "guides" and permit holders who venture into the Blues should not lose their minds in pursuing big game and shed hunting quests. There are a lot of eyes and ears out there---and of course we now have the live and wireless relay cameras. And other common photo cameras.
It's an honor to get drawn for a much sought after permit. Have a good time, enjoy the hunt, but don't let the pursuit of the animal cloud good judgment. Certain things are just not going to be tolerated by those who don't play by the rules.
Post by: Rainier10 on November 08, 2016, 08:50:59 AM
Why would the WDFW take these antlers but not the Bullwinkle antlers? :dunno:
Post by: Matth on November 08, 2016, 08:55:38 AM
It will be interesting to see where this particular matter ends up, whatever the facts and issues are. But set aside for a minute whatever it involves and consider a more general and non-specific point.
A general issue that gets discussed on H-W a lot is property rights and rules. Most are fundamental and common sense principles. And most hunters are very respectful of those principles. Before I venture onto my neighbor's property, or your property, I get permission or I won't step onto it. It's common sense and it's the law. Because of that, the so called "local" and other purported "guides" and permit holders who venture into the Blues should not lose their minds in pursuing big game and shed hunting quests. There are a lot of eyes and ears out there---and of course we now have the live and wireless relay cameras. And other common photo cameras.
It's an honor to get drawn for a much sought after permit. Have a good time, enjoy the hunt, but don't let the pursuit of the animal cloud good judgment. Certain things are just not going to be tolerated by those who don't play by the rules.
:bash: Funny how a large rack clouds the judgement of even the most seasoned outdoorsman.
Post by: teanawayslayer on November 08, 2016, 09:06:38 AM
It will be interesting to see where this particular matter ends up, whatever the facts and issues are. But set aside for a minute whatever it involves and consider a more general and non-specific point.ruh roe shaggy!
A general issue that gets discussed on H-W a lot is property rights and rules. Most are fundamental and common sense principles. And most hunters are very respectful of those principles. Before I venture onto my neighbor's property, or your property, I get permission or I won't step onto it. It's common sense and it's the law. Because of that, the so called "local" and other purported "guides" and permit holders who venture into the Blues should not lose their minds in pursuing big game and shed hunting quests. There are a lot of eyes and ears out there---and of course we now have the live and wireless relay cameras. And other common photo cameras.
It's an honor to get drawn for a much sought after permit. Have a good time, enjoy the hunt, but don't let the pursuit of the animal cloud good judgment. Certain things are just not going to be tolerated by those who don't play by the rules.
Post by: dscubame on November 08, 2016, 09:19:51 AM
Post by: TheHunt on November 08, 2016, 09:37:13 AM
Post by: Skillet on November 08, 2016, 09:37:40 AM
I hope people can keep it civil, no matter what actually happened.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on November 08, 2016, 09:40:45 AM
Post by: MtnMuley on November 08, 2016, 09:44:32 AM
I am all for a fair and open discussion about game laws and the related issues, but this type of "trial by forum" does nothing but cast the whole HuntWa community in a bad light. I don't think the biased arguments between the inevitably entrenched sides (people who want to see the law followed and violators punished vs those who come out to defend the accused and/or the minimize the law that was broken) do anything but bring down the HuntWa community on the whole and the mods busy. :bdid:
I hope people can keep it civil, no matter what actually happened.
So you're saying that if a suspected illegally killed trophy bull was indeed actually harvested illegally that those in the know should remain silent and not post their concerns? Even if it taints huntwa reputation for the majority of law abiding hunters, I still feel illegal harvests should be called out. :twocents:
Post by: Stein on November 08, 2016, 09:49:24 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on November 08, 2016, 09:52:31 AM
Post by: Skillet on November 08, 2016, 09:54:27 AM
I'm not saying anything of the sort, and projecting a position full of hyperbole and overreaching statements like this onto fellow members is part of the problem here.I am all for a fair and open discussion about game laws and the related issues, but this type of "trial by forum" does nothing but cast the whole HuntWa community in a bad light. I don't think the biased arguments between the inevitably entrenched sides (people who want to see the law followed and violators punished vs those who come out to defend the accused and/or the minimize the law that was broken) do anything but bring down the HuntWa community on the whole and the mods busy. :bdid:
I hope people can keep it civil, no matter what actually happened.
So you're saying that if a suspected illegally killed trophy bull was indeed actually harvested illegally that those in the know should remain silent and not post their concerns? Even if it taints huntwa reputation for the majority of law abiding hunters, I still feel illegal harvests should be called out. :twocents:
Post by: 7mmfan on November 08, 2016, 09:54:47 AM
I think he is saying that we should consider them innocent until proven guilty.
Seems to be a lost consideration these days. There is ALWAYS more to the story than what is posted here, so any opinion is based on assumptions, not fact. And you know they say about assuming things....
Post by: MtnMuley on November 08, 2016, 09:55:15 AM
Post by: 7mmfan on November 08, 2016, 09:58:36 AM
I would agree, but I don't see anything wrong posted so far, just some concerns of what happened and where. :dunno:
And that's fine. Concerns should be vocalized, it gets people thinking about the problem.
Post by: Landowner on November 08, 2016, 09:59:18 AM
How about clearing it all up for the crowd, buglin4bulls?
Post by: Skillet on November 08, 2016, 10:00:46 AM
I would agree, but I don't see anything wrong posted so far, just some concerns of what happened and where. :dunno:You are right - this hasn't tipped yet... and I hope it doesn't. I lost some respect for a few folks on here over the last big bull mega-thread.
Post by: Mr Mykiss on November 08, 2016, 10:04:42 AM
Snap! Tag! Boom!Word in Columbia County is that the cape for this bull elk is now in possession of WDFW Enforcement.....
Don't know about the cape, but the antlers definitely are.
Post by: Rainier10 on November 08, 2016, 10:26:39 AM
Hopefully the OP will wade in. He appears to have changed the story a time or two from his original opening post.My guess is if the antlers have been taken it is in his best interest to let the process work itself out without providing any more information about what happened.
How about clearing it all up for the crowd, buglin4bulls?
If there was wrong doing the hunter will want to not be hamstrung by any more statements by the son in law. I think it is obvious that the OP doesn't have all the facts as his story has changed a little. I am sure he was just excited about his father in laws bull and wanted to share the photos and story not realizing there was possibly an issue.
I guess I actually hope that is the case.
Unfortunately I think this is another one that will have to play out in the courts.
I think that @Landowner is correct, aside from this incident there is some good discussion that can come from this about private property rights and how to hunt legally.
Post by: Lefthook on November 08, 2016, 10:30:57 AM
(I know it doesn't sound like much fun to be educated on the facts, but I find it interesting to know the facts).
Lefthook
Post by: Gringo31 on November 08, 2016, 10:35:35 AM
Good example of a "wrong doer" was RT. But, he stood his ground. When the guy in question gets real quiet is kinda telling......
But, of course all speculation at this point....
Post by: Rainier10 on November 08, 2016, 10:38:20 AM
Is there a link to any REAL, OFFICIAL information on this bull elk harvest? I'm obviously new to this forum and would like to here an account of the actual story on this elk kill. I'm not really into trying to decipher all the sarcastic angles posted on this subject. Thank you.All we have right now is in this thread started by the hunters son in law and then the comments afterwards by others questioning the location of the kill site.
(I know it doesn't sound like much fun to be educated on the facts, but I find it interesting to know the facts).
Lefthook
Post by: Lefthook on November 08, 2016, 10:54:21 AM
Lefthook
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on November 08, 2016, 11:08:29 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on November 08, 2016, 11:13:18 AM
We do have the properties of the trophy photos shared. Based on GoHunt! mapping and surface land status mapping, the GPS coordinates recorded by the iPhone 6s at 9:21am on 10/25/2016 are north of National Forest land by about 0.32 miles, and is private land within the West Patit Hunt by Reservation Private Lands Hunting Access Area.I am a "benefit of the doubt" kind of guy. I could see where they got crossed up and ended up in the wrong spot. Depends on how they got there. If it was clearly posted not a lot of wiggle room. I think I would have had the HuntX map and made sure I was where I thought I was.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on November 08, 2016, 11:16:46 AM
I'm not indicting them. They could have had the hunting reserved for those dates, they could have received landowner permission. The iPhone may not have recorded the correct coordinates. Just adding to the available facts.We do have the properties of the trophy photos shared. Based on GoHunt! mapping and surface land status mapping, the GPS coordinates recorded by the iPhone 6s at 9:21am on 10/25/2016 are north of National Forest land by about 0.32 miles, and is private land within the West Patit Hunt by Reservation Private Lands Hunting Access Area.I am a "benefit of the doubt" kind of guy. I could see where they got crossed up and ended up in the wrong spot. Depends on how they got there. If it was clearly posted not a lot of wiggle room. I think I would have had the HuntX map and made sure I was where I thought I was.
Post by: Woodchuck on November 08, 2016, 11:18:50 AM
Thank you for that. :tup:I'm not indicting them. They could have had the hunting reserved for those dates, they could have received landowner permission. The iPhone may not have recorded the correct coordinates. Just adding to the available facts.We do have the properties of the trophy photos shared. Based on GoHunt! mapping and surface land status mapping, the GPS coordinates recorded by the iPhone 6s at 9:21am on 10/25/2016 are north of National Forest land by about 0.32 miles, and is private land within the West Patit Hunt by Reservation Private Lands Hunting Access Area.I am a "benefit of the doubt" kind of guy. I could see where they got crossed up and ended up in the wrong spot. Depends on how they got there. If it was clearly posted not a lot of wiggle room. I think I would have had the HuntX map and made sure I was where I thought I was.
Post by: teanawayslayer on November 08, 2016, 11:52:56 AM
Post by: Daytonite on November 08, 2016, 11:59:44 AM
it seems to me this thread got jacked. Shouldn't there be another topic on weather it was seized or not? Doesn't seem fair to the poster especially if there was no wrong doing. Mods?
The antlers were in the back of a WDFW enforcement truck yesterday in Dayton.
Post by: Lefthook on November 08, 2016, 12:04:04 PM
Lefthook
Post by: Mr Mykiss on November 08, 2016, 12:07:15 PM
I'm not up on this tech stuff, but if I understand this correctly, the coordinates can be pulled directly from a photo posted on this thread? How do you find the coordinates from looking at a picture? Very interesting, if they knowingly were hunting on land not open to them, wouldn't they take pictures with an old school camera? Putting all this together it seems, if they were on land not open to them, the could have gotten spun around not realizing they entered a closed area.I agree...
Lefthook
Post by: emac on November 08, 2016, 12:10:34 PM
it seems to me this thread got jacked. Shouldn't there be another topic on weather it was seized or not? Doesn't seem fair to the poster especially if there was no wrong doing. Mods?I don't see this as thread jacking, jack! If it was seized then it is part of the story so then there is nothing wrong with it being posted in this thread
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Post by: teanawayslayer on November 08, 2016, 12:20:37 PM
how is it not a thread jack the poster didn't say his relatives bull was seized for trespassing. JACK!!!it seems to me this thread got jacked. Shouldn't there be another topic on weather it was seized or not? Doesn't seem fair to the poster especially if there was no wrong doing. Mods?I don't see this as thread jacking, jack! If it was seized then it is part of the story so then there is nothing wrong with it being posted in this thread
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Post by: Landowner on November 08, 2016, 12:21:07 PM
Post by: whacker1 on November 08, 2016, 12:26:36 PM
Post by: Stein on November 08, 2016, 12:36:28 PM
Post by: Lefthook on November 08, 2016, 12:38:56 PM
I'm not up on this tech stuff, but if I understand this correctly, the coordinates can be pulled directly from a photo posted on this thread? How do you find the coordinates from looking at a picture? Very interesting, if they knowingly were hunting on land not open to them, wouldn't they take pictures with an old school camera? Putting all this together it seems, if they were on land not open to them, the could have gotten spun around not realizing they entered a closed area.I agree...
Lefthook
Damn Mr. Mykiss, now I finally know what type of cameras poachers pack around with them.
Post by: Mr Mykiss on November 08, 2016, 12:43:09 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on November 08, 2016, 12:50:28 PM
There is no gps information in the photo posted on the first page.The pack out pic sure has some gps info embedded in it. My iPhone shows exactly where it was taken. :twocents:
Post by: tjthebest on November 08, 2016, 12:59:47 PM
There is no gps information in the photo posted on the first page.
the second picture from the top has GPS in the metadata. looks to be a field photo of where it was killed.
Post by: JODakota on November 08, 2016, 01:02:52 PM
Post by: Jpmiller on November 08, 2016, 01:06:02 PM
Post by: JLS on November 08, 2016, 01:07:28 PM
Maybe it's time to do away with the success thread photos if anyone can get gps data off then. Maybe draw a picture of your buck or bull from now on.
You can disable the function in your phone. Go to "Privacy" and it's in there.
Post by: Woodchuck on November 08, 2016, 01:07:48 PM
Post by: Landowner on November 08, 2016, 01:07:56 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on November 08, 2016, 01:08:00 PM
Post by: hunt3636223 on November 08, 2016, 01:10:34 PM
Post by: Chad Osterholtz on November 08, 2016, 01:12:25 PM
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on November 08, 2016, 01:13:08 PM
Yes, if you go into Privacy, you can select/de-select location features for various phone tools.
Post by: JLS on November 08, 2016, 01:13:45 PM
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on November 08, 2016, 01:15:20 PM
I guess it's no longer "Notellum Ridge", eh? :o
No doubt. A buddy told me about this phone feature quite a few years ago and I didn't believe him at first. When he pinpointed one of my hunting spots from a photo I had taken, I changed my tune.
Post by: Gringo31 on November 08, 2016, 01:17:09 PM
Post by: Jpmiller on November 08, 2016, 01:19:21 PM
Post by: whacker1 on November 08, 2016, 01:19:58 PM
Post by: Stein on November 08, 2016, 01:21:28 PM
There is no gps information in the photo posted on the first page.
the second picture from the top has GPS in the metadata. looks to be a field photo of where it was killed.
Whoops, I didn't look at that one. It appears to be about 1,500 feet onto private land. Again, even if that is true we don't know if there was any arrangement for the hunter to be on the land and it doesn't confirm where the animal or hunter were when the trigger was pulled. It does show where it was when the picture was taken.
Packout pic was on private land. Truck pic was on the edge of NF at the end of the road.
Post by: Landowner on November 08, 2016, 01:23:27 PM
There is no gps information in the photo posted on the first page.
the second picture from the top has GPS in the metadata. looks to be a field photo of where it was killed.
Whoops, I didn't look at that one. It appears to be about 1,500 feet onto private land. Again, even if that is true we don't know if there was any arrangement for the hunter to be on the land and it doesn't confirm where the animal or hunter were when the trigger was pulled. It does show where it was when the picture was taken.
True that. But there appears to be a bull in custody. For some reason.
Post by: MtnMuley on November 08, 2016, 01:32:22 PM
.........greed
Post by: Mr Mykiss on November 08, 2016, 01:32:38 PM
Exhibit B: Bull in custody...
Hmmm....
Post by: Chad Osterholtz on November 08, 2016, 01:33:43 PM
Post by: Bango skank on November 08, 2016, 01:38:56 PM
Post by: quadrafire on November 08, 2016, 01:39:11 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on November 08, 2016, 01:41:27 PM
Post by: Stein on November 08, 2016, 01:41:49 PM
Turning location data off on your phone prevents people from being able to see where the pic was taken though, right?
Yep, I also double check after I post it if I want the honey hole to remain a secret.
Post by: Bango skank on November 08, 2016, 01:43:08 PM
Turning location data off on your phone prevents people from being able to see where the pic was taken though, right?
Yep, I also double check after I post it if I want the honey hole to remain a secret.
How do you check?
Post by: Landowner on November 08, 2016, 01:44:22 PM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on November 08, 2016, 01:53:14 PM
I've got a $5 bill that says I know who...
Post by: Lefthook on November 08, 2016, 01:59:57 PM
Post by: Katmai Guy on November 08, 2016, 02:09:25 PM
Post by: Jpmiller on November 08, 2016, 02:10:07 PM
You mean one of the local..."guides"
I've got a $5 bill that says I know who...
I haven't seen anyone trying to "set the record straight" yet.
Post by: Daytonite on November 08, 2016, 02:11:41 PM
You mean one of the local..."guides"
I've got a $5 bill that says I know who...
I have a $5 bill you are correct :chuckle:
Post by: Katmai Guy on November 08, 2016, 02:12:46 PM
I haven't seen anyone trying to "set the record straight" yet.
OPO hasn't been on since 6:30am and FIL is not a member.
Post by: Chad Osterholtz on November 08, 2016, 02:14:32 PM
Post by: jackelope on November 08, 2016, 02:39:06 PM
Post by: jackelope on November 08, 2016, 02:44:14 PM
There is no gps information in the photo posted on the first page.
the second picture from the top has GPS in the metadata. looks to be a field photo of where it was killed.
Whoops, I didn't look at that one. It appears to be about 1,500 feet onto private land. Again, even if that is true we don't know if there was any arrangement for the hunter to be on the land and it doesn't confirm where the animal or hunter were when the trigger was pulled. It does show where it was when the picture was taken.
True that. But there appears to be a bull in custody. For some reason.
Pretty sure that's hunt by reservation land too, isn't it?
Post by: Daytonite on November 08, 2016, 02:51:17 PM
There is no gps information in the photo posted on the first page.
the second picture from the top has GPS in the metadata. looks to be a field photo of where it was killed.
Whoops, I didn't look at that one. It appears to be about 1,500 feet onto private land. Again, even if that is true we don't know if there was any arrangement for the hunter to be on the land and it doesn't confirm where the animal or hunter were when the trigger was pulled. It does show where it was when the picture was taken.
True that. But there appears to be a bull in custody. For some reason.
Pretty sure that's hunt by reservation land too, isn't it?
Yep
Post by: Mr Mykiss on November 08, 2016, 02:59:53 PM
Post by: WaHeadhunter on November 08, 2016, 03:01:50 PM
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Whoops, I didn't look at that one. It appears to be about 1,500 feet onto private land. Again, even if that is true we don't know if there was any arrangement for the hunter to be on the land and it doesn't confirm where the animal or hunter were when the trigger was pulled. It does show where it was when the picture was taken.
I'd say if wdfw took rack/cape, they know this group did not have a reservation to be in there. They could just look it up in the states reservation system plus check with the property owner on who they had authorized to be in there.
Post by: Mr Mykiss on November 08, 2016, 03:02:20 PM
Post by: Landowner on November 08, 2016, 03:03:00 PM
Just asking the question. Not stirring the pot....
Post by: 92xj on November 08, 2016, 03:07:41 PM
Same bull?
Just asking the question. Not stirring the pot....
Clearly
Post by: Daytonite on November 08, 2016, 03:16:12 PM
Ok let's just imagine for a minute that Mr Buglin4Bulls left this morning and went catfishing or something...maybe on a shed huntin trip with JT or whatever. Then he comes home and cleans his fish or whatever and logs on to trusty ol' Hunt WA. Can you imagine!!
I about blew mountain dew all over the computer!!
:chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Rainier10 on November 08, 2016, 03:17:08 PM
Post by: WaHeadhunter on November 08, 2016, 03:18:07 PM
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Same bull?
Just asking the question. Not stirring the pot....
I'd say it is.
Anyone willing to wager wdfw took tissue samples from confiscated animal and carcass at kill site?
Post by: Lefthook on November 08, 2016, 03:25:05 PM
No point in going to old kill sites. I think the quote of the year applies to kill site photos, "He's dead".
No point in going to the kill sight, but there is going to be a herd around the area and that will narrow down the scouting area by quite a bit. Finding the coordinates are on public land could speed up the killing process immensely. If in a permit area you will still need a lot of time and luck just to get a chance to make a kill.
I'm not going to do any of this, but it is interesting how technology has all sorts of unintended consequences.
Lefthook
Post by: Zaner on November 08, 2016, 06:24:29 PM
I'd chime in but "Landowner" has pretty much said everything that I had on my mind. Only he said it nicer than I would have.
Whoever made the comment about awkward thanksgiving and then "buglinforcows" deserves an award.
Post by: rosscrazyelk on November 08, 2016, 06:39:49 PM
You mean one of the local..."guides"Me too
I've got a $5 bill that says I know who...
Post by: Lefthook on November 08, 2016, 07:31:13 PM
Lefthook
Post by: dscubame on November 08, 2016, 07:36:47 PM
Post by: luv2hunt on November 08, 2016, 07:43:46 PM
Post by: Timberstalker on November 08, 2016, 07:44:54 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on November 08, 2016, 07:51:07 PM
Still not taking sides by any means yet, but there sure have been a lot of Dayton country locals who have validity who have spoken........ :dunno:
Post by: Jpmiller on November 08, 2016, 07:52:15 PM
Post by: Zaner on November 08, 2016, 08:06:15 PM
Post by: WaHeadhunter on November 08, 2016, 08:10:38 PM
In fact the original post says, or said:
"put a quick range on them and whispered to him "he's at 550" He settled in and squeezed one off. You could hear the bullet thwack the bull. The bull took a few steps and went down."
I could be wrong but it sounds like he was shot and fell where he was standing. On private ground.
Post by: Lefthook on November 08, 2016, 08:16:32 PM
Just a little history on the shooter and the op. The op is my son and i take a huge offense to the faulse accusation that this bull was not harvested legally!! if you look at all of the posts my son and i have put on hw they are all honest and legal. My son was my guide on my Entiat tag last year. He has always been the guy who says i want to know where im at!! He goes nowhere without his gps and confidence knowing where landowner/private areas are and where he is. If this bull was illegally taken do you really think he would post here?? Really? Pull your heads out of your bungs. Sometimes deer and elk die on the spot, sometimes they run 5 miles. Do the math.
Just to clear a couple things up. Was the cape and rack actually confiscated by WDFW? If it was a clean, fully legal kill could your son explain the locals post on this thread?
I think this thread blew up because there is a very large amount of elk hunters that probably know the where abouts of some really nice bulls but the bulls are safe and sound on land that isn't open. So any number of guys could kill a bruiser, but won't. When you see someone not having the control to just let the big guy walk, it hits a nerve.
Lefthook
Post by: luv2hunt on November 08, 2016, 08:20:11 PM
If a wounded animal runs 5 miles before it finally dies then please quit hunting now. Regardless of where the animal started, you MUST always have land owner permission. Even when perusing a wounded animal. I know that area like the back of my hand and I know how crooked the "guide" is. If he took me to the spot and told me where he shot it from then I might believe him. But I sure as heck don't believe him now. P.S. don't lieDid I say it ran 5 miles? Thats what i thought, i didnt!!
Post by: luv2hunt on November 08, 2016, 08:22:05 PM
I'm speaking my thoughts not his. He is a adult and doesn't live with me.Just a little history on the shooter and the op. The op is my son and i take a huge offense to the faulse accusation that this bull was not harvested legally!! if you look at all of the posts my son and i have put on hw they are all honest and legal. My son was my guide on my Entiat tag last year. He has always been the guy who says i want to know where im at!! He goes nowhere without his gps and confidence knowing where landowner/private areas are and where he is. If this bull was illegally taken do you really think he would post here?? Really? Pull your heads out of your bungs. Sometimes deer and elk die on the spot, sometimes they run 5 miles. Do the math.
Just to clear a couple things up. Was the cape and rack actually confiscated by WDFW? If it was a clean, fully legal kill could your son explain the locals post on this thread?
I think this thread blew up because there is a very large amount of elk hunters that probably know the where abouts of some really nice bulls but the bulls are safe and sound on land that isn't open. So any number of guys could kill a bruiser, but won't. When you see someone not having the control to just let the big guy walk, it hits a nerve.
Lefthook
Post by: Zaner on November 08, 2016, 08:23:50 PM
The 1st version of the hunt that was posted before editing doesn't jive with the bull running.
In fact the original post says, or said:
"put a quick range on them and whispered to him "he's at 550" He settled in and squeezed one off. You could hear the bullet thwack the bull. The bull took a few steps and went down."
I could be wrong but it sounds like he was shot and fell where he was standing. On private ground.
Hey I remember that! I remember those exact words! Maybe the bull was only 550 yds into private ground lol
Post by: Lefthook on November 08, 2016, 08:33:10 PM
I'm speaking my thoughts not his. He is a adult and doesn't live with me.Just a little history on the shooter and the op. The op is my son and i take a huge offense to the faulse accusation that this bull was not harvested legally!! if you look at all of the posts my son and i have put on hw they are all honest and legal. My son was my guide on my Entiat tag last year. He has always been the guy who says i want to know where im at!! He goes nowhere without his gps and confidence knowing where landowner/private areas are and where he is. If this bull was illegally taken do you really think he would post here?? Really? Pull your heads out of your bungs. Sometimes deer and elk die on the spot, sometimes they run 5 miles. Do the math.
Just to clear a couple things up. Was the cape and rack actually confiscated by WDFW? If it was a clean, fully legal kill could your son explain the locals post on this thread?
I think this thread blew up because there is a very large amount of elk hunters that probably know the where abouts of some really nice bulls but the bulls are safe and sound on land that isn't open. So any number of guys could kill a bruiser, but won't. When you see someone not having the control to just let the big guy walk, it hits a nerve.
Lefthook
Just because your son is an adult and doesn't live with you, that doesn't mean he can't, on his own, explain why this kill would fire up the locals. He could, without help from his father explain why the locals posts on this thread are wrong. I'm not asking anyone to speak for your son.
Lefthook
Actually, maybe the "guide" should open up and let us all know what really happened.
Lefthook
Post by: Mr Mykiss on November 08, 2016, 08:44:24 PM
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The shooter on the grassy knoll??!!
Post by: dscubame on November 08, 2016, 08:44:52 PM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on November 08, 2016, 08:45:50 PM
Interesting.Daddy defense...interesting indeed.
Post by: Lefthook on November 08, 2016, 08:50:08 PM
Lefthook, who are you bud? Are you just a new guy who took a great interest in this thread? Do you have ties in any way? Or...are you in fact
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The shooter on the grassy knoll??!!
I have the tapes. I'm trying to remain calm until the right moment, but I'm having a hard time containing my excitement.
Post by: dscubame on November 08, 2016, 08:52:43 PM
Lefthook, who are you bud? Are you just a new guy who took a great interest in this thread? Do you have ties in any way? Or...are you in fact
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The shooter on the grassy knoll??!!
I have the tapes. I'm trying to remain calm until the right moment, but I'm having a hard time containing my excitement.
You are not having a hard time at all.
Post by: Mr Mykiss on November 08, 2016, 08:54:19 PM
Post by: elkchaser54 on November 08, 2016, 09:04:07 PM
Post by: Chad Osterholtz on November 08, 2016, 09:06:54 PM
Post by: Stein on November 08, 2016, 09:38:03 PM
Now I get why people post pictures and just say Eastern or Western hahahaha!!! Dayton property owners are not to be messed with !!!!!!!!! If it was a legal kill post a picture with the rack dated currently. If people are claiming it was confiscated by WDFW, prove them wrong.
In all fairness, the pics were posted with gps tags showing exactly where they were.
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Post by: NRA4LIFE on November 08, 2016, 09:56:56 PM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on November 08, 2016, 10:15:25 PM
And...I HOPE I'M WRONG.
Post by: Jpmiller on November 09, 2016, 06:14:22 AM
Post by: Euro mount on November 09, 2016, 07:39:08 AM
Post by: Elkrunner on November 09, 2016, 08:33:59 AM
Where did that five thousand number come from?
He is making crap up. Not saying if it was wrong or not. I just hate when guys on here start blasting a bunch of BS about crap they do not fully understand.
If you do not have any real intel, then keep my mouth shut until all the facts are out. I hate when guys on this forum start running their mouths about crap that they do not know anythign about just because they read some speculation on and internet forum!
Post by: MtnMuley on November 09, 2016, 09:29:56 AM
Where did that five thousand number come from?
He is making crap up. Not saying if it was wrong or not. I just hate when guys on here start blasting a bunch of BS about crap they do not fully understand.
If you do not have any real intel, then keep my mouth shut until all the facts are out. I hate when guys on this forum start running their mouths about crap that they do not know anythign about just because they read some speculation on and internet forum!
I hate it worse when trophy animals that hunters wait a lifetime to pursue are taken illegally. Whether this is the case with this bull or not, greed sometimes ruins opportunities for many. :twocents:
Post by: Lefthook on November 09, 2016, 10:07:13 AM
Honestly it seems like the case of a few guys that paid another guy 5000 to find them a giant bull and they took his word that it was legal to kill it where it stood when he walked em out there.
And...I HOPE I'M WRONG.
Mr. Mykiss, what do you hope you are wrong about? There's quite a few things to think about in that one sentence you posted.
Post by: Katmai Guy on November 09, 2016, 10:38:47 AM
Post by: WaHeadhunter on November 09, 2016, 10:46:40 AM
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Does ANYBODY on here KNOW if this animal was taken illegally? Is THE landowner on here and knows that they did not have permission to hunt ?
Apparently you haven't read the entire thread and seen the pics posted with GPS co-ordinates and the picture of the harvest location being located on private ground. I'd guess more will come out in due time.
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Post by: jackelope on November 09, 2016, 10:48:44 AM
QuoteDoes ANYBODY on here KNOW if this animal was taken illegally? Is THE landowner on here and knows that they did not have permission to hunt?
Apparently you haven't read the entire thread and seen the pics posted with GPS co-ordinates and the picture of the harvest location being located on private ground. I'd guess more will come out in due time.
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There is hunt by reservation land at least in that immediate area. Did the hunter have reservations set up there? :dunno:
Post by: Katmai Guy on November 09, 2016, 11:01:38 AM
QuoteDoes ANYBODY on here KNOW if this animal was taken illegally? Is THE landowner on here and knows that they did not have permission to hunt ?
Apparently you haven't read the entire thread and seen the pics posted with GPS co-ordinates and the picture of the harvest location being located on private ground. I'd guess more will come out in due time.
------I have read every post in this thread, that is why I asked if THE landowner was on here posting the accusations. I knew that the hunter had reservations to hunt some timber Co property, that is why I asked if any of you knew the specifics. Thanks for caring.
Post by: Rainier10 on November 09, 2016, 11:09:13 AM
No name calling, trying to get around the censor and maybe converse how you would want others to converse with you.
Most don't like to be YELLED at or talked down to.
Just my :twocents:
Post by: Chad Osterholtz on November 09, 2016, 11:15:12 AM
Post by: NRA4LIFE on November 09, 2016, 11:24:43 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on November 09, 2016, 11:47:42 AM
I would just like to hear something from the OP, but I'm guessing he has been instructed otherwise by now.Pretty sure you are correct about him being advised to not say anything more. I don't have any personal knowledge of that but I wouldn't say anything if it were me.
Post by: DaveMonti on November 09, 2016, 11:57:09 AM
QuoteDoes ANYBODY on here KNOW if this animal was taken illegally? Is THE landowner on here and knows that they did not have permission to hunt ?
Apparently you haven't read the entire thread and seen the pics posted with GPS co-ordinates and the picture of the harvest location being located on private ground. I'd guess more will come out in due time.
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Hmmm, I seem to remember a fairly recent case where a bull was MOVED before it was field dressed. I'm sure pictures with the location stamp were taken there as well.
For those of you searching for "facts", you won't find any on here. You will find speculation and second hand accounts (at BEST, second hand), so just chill out with your "forum investigation" and wait for a report about this incident from a trusted source, not some nameless, faceless forum poster.
If you are entertained by useless speculation, just go read the Bullwinkle thread. See how many FACTS came out of thousands of posts on that thread.
There are no "facts" on this forum.
Post by: Stein on November 09, 2016, 12:24:32 PM
Post by: DaveMonti on November 09, 2016, 12:32:45 PM
The facts are that the OP said it was shot on state land, then corrected to national forest. The pictures he posted show the elk on private land.
The fact is that what people "say" are not necessarily "facts".
Post by: Timberstalker on November 09, 2016, 12:50:12 PM
Post by: quadrafire on November 09, 2016, 12:51:09 PM
That sounds like a factThe facts are that the OP said it was shot on state land, then corrected to national forest. The pictures he posted show the elk on private land.
The fact is that what people "say" are not necessarily "facts".
Post by: BULLBLASTER on November 09, 2016, 01:10:34 PM
Post by: whacker1 on November 09, 2016, 01:14:05 PM
That sounds like a factThe facts are that the OP said it was shot on state land, then corrected to national forest. The pictures he posted show the elk on private land.
The fact is that what people "say" are not necessarily "facts".
53.% of all statistics are made up on the spot
Post by: Katmai Guy on November 09, 2016, 01:18:27 PM
Post by: Chad Osterholtz on November 09, 2016, 01:20:18 PM
Post by: DaveMonti on November 09, 2016, 01:21:36 PM
:chuckle:
Post by: Rainier10 on November 09, 2016, 01:40:03 PM
And yes, "He's dead".
Post by: b0bbyg on November 09, 2016, 02:01:44 PM
:chuckle:
Could still happen later I guess
Post by: M_ray on November 09, 2016, 05:53:45 PM
QuoteDoes ANYBODY on here KNOW if this animal was taken illegally? Is THE landowner on here and knows that they did not have permission to hunt ?
Apparently you haven't read the entire thread and seen the pics posted with GPS co-ordinates and the picture of the harvest location being located on private ground. I'd guess more will come out in due time.
------The facts are that the OP said it was shot on state land, then corrected to national forest. The pictures he posted show the elk on private land.
The fact is that what people "say" are not necessarily "facts".
Hmmm, I seem to remember a fairly recent case where a bull was MOVED before it was field dressed. I'm sure pictures with the location stamp were taken there as well.
For those of you searching for "facts", you won't find any on here. You will find speculation and second hand accounts (at BEST, second hand), so just chill out with your "forum investigation" and wait for a report about this incident from a trusted source, not some nameless, faceless forum poster.
If you are entertained by useless speculation, just go read the Bullwinkle thread. See how many FACTS came out of thousands of posts on that thread.
There are no "facts" on this forum.
The only problem with your sarcasm towards the Bullwinkle thread is that that majority were right. That does not support your theory of useless speculation when it was actually true in the end??? How bout this time on this thread you could let those who have the knowledge of the incident speak without your cynicism. :dunno:
Post by: Lefthook on November 09, 2016, 06:37:40 PM
QuoteDoes ANYBODY on here KNOW if this animal was taken illegally? Is THE landowner on here and knows that they did not have permission to hunt ?
Apparently you haven't read the entire thread and seen the pics posted with GPS co-ordinates and the picture of the harvest location being located on private ground. I'd guess more will come out in due time.
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Hmmm, I seem to remember a fairly recent case where a bull was MOVED before it was field dressed. I'm sure pictures with the location stamp were taken there as well.
For those of you searching for "facts", you won't find any on here. You will find speculation and second hand accounts (at BEST, second hand), so just chill out with your "forum investigation" and wait for a report about this incident from a trusted source, not some nameless, faceless forum poster.
If you are entertained by useless speculation, just go read the Bullwinkle thread. See how many FACTS came out of thousands of posts on that thread.
There are no "facts" on this forum.
The GPS coordinates embedded in the pictures are facts. Take the coordinates and those facts put the dead bull on private property. The FACT that nobody in the hunting party is posting that they had permission to kill that bull on private property is troublesome. If it was a good, clean, legal kill, I would think the landowner, "guide" FIL and SIL would have posted on here that it was all good. To make sure there was no more questions left to ask, all 4 would be posing for a pic with the rack.
What did we get? Some guys father who wasn't on the hunt telling us how wonderful his son is. I think we are all well aware of the status of the investigation by now. We should be hearing something from WDFW in the future.
Lefthook
Post by: huntnfmly on November 09, 2016, 07:12:19 PM
Post by: tjthebest on November 09, 2016, 07:38:47 PM
Post by: DaveMonti on November 09, 2016, 07:49:36 PM
QuoteDoes ANYBODY on here KNOW if this animal was taken illegally? Is THE landowner on here and knows that they did not have permission to hunt ?
Apparently you haven't read the entire thread and seen the pics posted with GPS co-ordinates and the picture of the harvest location being located on private ground. I'd guess more will come out in due time.
------The facts are that the OP said it was shot on state land, then corrected to national forest. The pictures he posted show the elk on private land.
The fact is that what people "say" are not necessarily "facts".
Hmmm, I seem to remember a fairly recent case where a bull was MOVED before it was field dressed. I'm sure pictures with the location stamp were taken there as well.
For those of you searching for "facts", you won't find any on here. You will find speculation and second hand accounts (at BEST, second hand), so just chill out with your "forum investigation" and wait for a report about this incident from a trusted source, not some nameless, faceless forum poster.
If you are entertained by useless speculation, just go read the Bullwinkle thread. See how many FACTS came out of thousands of posts on that thread.
There are no "facts" on this forum.
The only problem with your sarcasm towards the Bullwinkle thread is that that majority were right. That does not support your theory of useless speculation when it was actually true in the end??? How bout this time on this thread you could let those who have the knowledge of the incident speak without your cynicism. :dunno:
Of course with thousands of posts on the Bullwinkle threads, maybe even tens of thousands, some of the "facts" can certainly end up being true. After months and months of speculation, conflicting "facts", stories, and claims, and thousands of bits if information, you are going to hold the Bullwinkle threads up as factual "evidence" of somebody's wrongdoing? This is your argument? "Eventually, the Bullwinkle thread was right"? After all that speculation, you are saying that my "theory" about useless speculation isn't valid because a few (and not the "majority") of the supposed thousands of "facts" on those threads were right "eventually"?
I have no skin in this game. I don't know anyone who does have skin in this, nobody accused in this or the Bullwinkle thread. What I do know is that I'm as entitled as anyone to "stir the pot" based on what what I see as ridiculous speculation, claims, and "fact" searching and without getting personal, insulting, or demeaning.
huntnfmly is right, nobody is obligated to prove to any of us about what happened.
As far as Those with Knowledge posting on this thread, where are they? Am I and my cynicism preventing "Those with Knowledge" from posting the true facts? You give me much more credit than I am worthy of. But then again, you point to the Bullwinkle thread as "factual".
Post by: MtnMuley on November 09, 2016, 08:17:31 PM
"huntnfmly is right, nobody is obligated to prove to any of us about what happened"
I would agree with if the OP didn't post a couple different stories how it went down and then share pics with embedded info showing it to be on private ground and was called out by a couple Dayton locals with knowledge.......... :dunno:
Post by: M_ray on November 09, 2016, 08:28:10 PM
QuoteDoes ANYBODY on here KNOW if this animal was taken illegally? Is THE landowner on here and knows that they did not have permission to hunt ?
Apparently you haven't read the entire thread and seen the pics posted with GPS co-ordinates and the picture of the harvest location being located on private ground. I'd guess more will come out in due time.
------The facts are that the OP said it was shot on state land, then corrected to national forest. The pictures he posted show the elk on private land.
The fact is that what people "say" are not necessarily "facts".
Hmmm, I seem to remember a fairly recent case where a bull was MOVED before it was field dressed. I'm sure pictures with the location stamp were taken there as well.
For those of you searching for "facts", you won't find any on here. You will find speculation and second hand accounts (at BEST, second hand), so just chill out with your "forum investigation" and wait for a report about this incident from a trusted source, not some nameless, faceless forum poster.
If you are entertained by useless speculation, just go read the Bullwinkle thread. See how many FACTS came out of thousands of posts on that thread.
There are no "facts" on this forum.
The only problem with your sarcasm towards the Bullwinkle thread is that that majority were right. That does not support your theory of useless speculation when it was actually true in the end??? How bout this time on this thread you could let those who have the knowledge of the incident speak without your cynicism. :dunno:
Of course with thousands of posts on the Bullwinkle threads, maybe even tens of thousands, some of the "facts" can certainly end up being true. After months and months of speculation, conflicting "facts", stories, and claims, and thousands of bits if information, you are going to hold the Bullwinkle threads up as factual "evidence" of somebody's wrongdoing? This is your argument? "Eventually, the Bullwinkle thread was right"? After all that speculation, you are saying that my "theory" about useless speculation isn't valid because a few (and not the "majority") of the supposed thousands of "facts" on those threads were right "eventually"?
I have no skin in this game. I don't know anyone who does have skin in this, nobody accused in this or the Bullwinkle thread. What I do know is that I'm as entitled as anyone to "stir the pot" based on what what I see as ridiculous speculation, claims, and "fact" searching and without getting personal, insulting, or demeaning.
huntnfmly is right, nobody is obligated to prove to any of us about what happened.
As far as Those with Knowledge posting on this thread, where are they? Am I and my cynicism preventing "Those with Knowledge" from posting the true facts? You give me much more credit than I am worthy of. But then again, you point to the Bullwinkle thread as "factual".
:chuckle: I didn't expect you would get it!
Post by: huntnfmly on November 09, 2016, 09:23:05 PM
None of you have ever done That?
Or the pic of the Hunter and elk with the GPS coordinates? I'm pretty sure those pics were taken after the elk died not before
Post by: Chad Osterholtz on November 09, 2016, 09:41:27 PM
Post by: huntnfmly on November 09, 2016, 10:11:20 PM
What I'm saying is no one has ever heard of animals running after they've been shot
So.....
Post by: Chad Osterholtz on November 10, 2016, 01:03:36 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on November 10, 2016, 05:34:26 AM
Post by: Chad Osterholtz on November 10, 2016, 07:59:38 AM
Post by: huntnfmly on November 10, 2016, 08:27:25 AM
Do you know ABSOLUTELY know for sure that he didnt reserve it for that date?
Post by: Woodchuck on November 10, 2016, 08:35:27 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on November 10, 2016, 08:38:11 AM
He's ABSOLUTELY dead.:yike: :chuckle:
Post by: Mr Mykiss on November 10, 2016, 09:01:39 AM
He is making crap up. Not saying if it was wrong or not. I just hate when guys on here start blasting a bunch of BS about crap they do not fully understand.You're absolutely right man, I shouldn't have posted it. However I'm far from not fully understanding the situation, who is involved and the way it works down there on that mix of mostly private, ffth, register to hunt, hunt by written permission, and tiny bit o NF place where you'd better dang well know where you're standing, whom it belongs to and if and when you can and can not be there.
Also I'm basically going on what the couple of local folks have posted and I'm not hearing them call me out on it.
I'm out.
Post by: Chad Osterholtz on November 10, 2016, 09:12:11 AM
P.S. Absolutely absolute :chuckle:
Post by: Mxracer532 on November 10, 2016, 11:04:52 AM
Post by: Landowner on November 10, 2016, 11:23:13 AM
Post by: crowinghen on November 10, 2016, 11:56:14 AM
More. Soon.That's what I'm talking bout!
Been hearing some rumors....
Post by: 2MANY on November 10, 2016, 12:01:44 PM
Post by: Timberstalker on November 10, 2016, 12:02:57 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on November 10, 2016, 12:21:37 PM
More. Soon.:dunno: He gets to shoot another one because they took the first one?
All kidding aside, I am really hoping this turns out to be a mistake and the hunter was in the right or at least just made an honest mistake.
Post by: Katmai Guy on November 10, 2016, 12:23:18 PM
Post by: Jpmiller on November 10, 2016, 12:43:37 PM
it seems to me this thread got jacked. Shouldn't there be another topic on weather it was seized or not? Doesn't seem fair to the poster especially if there was no wrong doing. Mods?
The antlers were in the back of a WDFW enforcement truck yesterday in Dayton.
If the antlers were scored by cedar river taxidermy would they be confiscated and taken back to Dayton? Unless I am mistaken cedar river taxidermy is in enumclaw, why would the antlers need to go back to Dayton once they were seized?
Post by: floatinghat on November 10, 2016, 12:45:32 PM
I hope the OP's "ex" wife isn't smoking hot or maybe he wants an "ex" :yike:
I do hope the FIL and SIL were duped by the "guide" into thinking they were legal. POP's good to you for backing your son I hope they both come out of this ok.
Something I tell my kids daily "Make Good Choices"
Post by: Jpmiller on November 10, 2016, 01:02:08 PM
I hope the OP's "ex" wife isn't smoking hot or maybe he wants an "ex" :yike:
I do hope the FIL and SIL were duped by the "guide" into thinking they were legal. POP's good to you for backing your son I hope they both come out of this ok.
Something I tell my kids daily "Make Good Choices"
Make good choices. My dad used to just always tell me don't do something stupid. You sound nicer lol
Post by: floatinghat on November 10, 2016, 01:54:44 PM
I did stupid stuff and was smart/lucky enough not to get caught or seriously hurt.
Post by: Maverick on November 10, 2016, 02:24:04 PM
I did stupid stuff and was smart/lucky enough not to get caught or seriously hurt.
A cop told me that back in highschool. :chuckle: and then he wrote me a ticket
Post by: 724wd on November 10, 2016, 04:25:42 PM
it seems to me this thread got jacked. Shouldn't there be another topic on weather it was seized or not? Doesn't seem fair to the poster especially if there was no wrong doing. Mods?
The antlers were in the back of a WDFW enforcement truck yesterday in Dayton.
If the antlers were scored by cedar river taxidermy would they be confiscated and taken back to Dayton? Unless I am mistaken cedar river taxidermy is in enumclaw, why would the antlers need to go back to Dayton once they were seized?
That seemed a bit odd to me, too. But maybe it had to do with DNA testing? :dunno:
Post by: Jpmiller on November 10, 2016, 05:03:55 PM
it seems to me this thread got jacked. Shouldn't there be another topic on weather it was seized or not? Doesn't seem fair to the poster especially if there was no wrong doing. Mods?
The antlers were in the back of a WDFW enforcement truck yesterday in Dayton.
If the antlers were scored by cedar river taxidermy would they be confiscated and taken back to Dayton? Unless I am mistaken cedar river taxidermy is in enumclaw, why would the antlers need to go back to Dayton once they were seized?
That seemed a bit odd to me, too. But maybe it had to do with DNA testing? :dunno:
But there are places closer than Dayton to do DNA testing?
Idk much about criminal cases and whatnot so there is likely a good reason for it it just seemed odd to me or that maybe this was a different large bull mistaken for the one in the thread... but that may just be wishful thinking.
Post by: cavemann on November 23, 2016, 08:55:29 AM
Post by: crowinghen on November 30, 2016, 02:13:59 PM
anyone here how this played out?I don't think it's done yet. I hear there are attorneys involved.
Post by: trophyhunt on November 30, 2016, 03:14:25 PM
Post by: Igottanewknee on November 30, 2016, 04:44:01 PM
I just skimmed through this entire thread, :puke: I have to imagine if the antlers were confiscated by Wdfw they had enough evidence to do so. And I would also think if the Hunter had permission or was scheduled to be on that piece of property, no antlers would have been seized. Just my :twocents:I'm listening to you only.... at least you skimmed over the whole thing. I only read the first and last page. :tup:
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on November 30, 2016, 05:03:37 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on November 30, 2016, 05:16:26 PM
Ahhhhh maybe huntinphool can tell me again what a stand up guy josh teal is????
Maybe you can tell us how stand up of a guy Tod Reichert is again? :dunno:
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on November 30, 2016, 05:30:03 PM
Ahhhhh maybe huntinphool can tell me again what a stand up guy josh teal is????
Maybe you can tell us how stand up of a guy Tod Reichert is again? :dunno:
Ummmmm, he's still filling tags.... grin
Post by: MtnMuley on November 30, 2016, 05:43:00 PM
Ahhhhh maybe huntinphool can tell me again what a stand up guy josh teal is????
Maybe you can tell us how stand up of a guy Tod Reichert is again? :dunno:
Ummmmm, he's still filling tags.... grin
I expected nothing less. Thanks
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on November 30, 2016, 05:47:03 PM
Ahhhhh maybe huntinphool can tell me again what a stand up guy josh teal is????
Maybe you can tell us how stand up of a guy Tod Reichert is again? :dunno:
Ummmmm, he's still filling tags.... grin
I expected nothing less. Thanks
I'm sure the courts will prevail... don't be jelly... grin
Post by: huntnfmly on November 30, 2016, 06:00:32 PM
Post by: h20hunter on November 30, 2016, 06:02:25 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on November 30, 2016, 06:07:06 PM
Ahhhhh maybe huntinphool can tell me again what a stand up guy josh teal is????
Maybe you can tell us how stand up of a guy Tod Reichert is again? :dunno:
Ummmmm, he's still filling tags.... grin
I expected nothing less. Thanks
I'm sure the courts will prevail... don't be jelly... grin
Never a jelly bone here. I just wouldn't :pee: on anybody burning who has done the things Tod has for our sport or anybody who "grins" about it. I highly doubt I'm the only one who feels this way. :hello:
Post by: boneaddict on November 30, 2016, 06:07:22 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on November 30, 2016, 06:38:11 PM
Ahhhhh maybe huntinphool can tell me again what a stand up guy josh teal is????
Maybe you can tell us how stand up of a guy Tod Reichert is again? :dunno:
Ummmmm, he's still filling tags.... grin
I expected nothing less. Thanks
I'm sure the courts will prevail... don't be jelly... grin
Never a jelly bone here. I just wouldn't :pee: on anybody burning who has done the things Tod has for our sport or anybody who "grins" about it. I highly doubt I'm the only one who feels this way. :hello:
Who cares what other folks would do.... he'll have his day in court. Grin, grin, grin
Post by: Timberstalker on November 30, 2016, 06:53:07 PM
Post by: h20hunter on November 30, 2016, 07:15:31 PM
Post by: mburrows on November 30, 2016, 07:20:04 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on November 30, 2016, 07:29:23 PM
Post by: boneaddict on November 30, 2016, 07:49:38 PM
Post by: JJB11B on November 30, 2016, 07:52:29 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on November 30, 2016, 07:56:23 PM
Sorry, not trying to stir the pot but who is josh? The "guide"?
He's a noble great guy!! Everyone should have a buddy like josh!! Grin
Post by: jackelope on November 30, 2016, 08:09:05 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on November 30, 2016, 08:15:49 PM
Hola!!!!
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on November 30, 2016, 08:20:56 PM
Post by: boneaddict on November 30, 2016, 08:23:54 PM
Nothing personal, but you need to chill!
Post by: Buckmark on November 30, 2016, 08:52:54 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on November 30, 2016, 09:23:53 PM
Post by: Maverick on November 30, 2016, 09:30:42 PM
Post by: JODakota on November 30, 2016, 10:56:35 PM
257 has a reason to dislike this Josh guy, I missed all the excitement!
In his defense, Josh Teal is a true turd. Sorry but that will be my only comment on the matter.
Post by: JoeE on November 30, 2016, 11:15:36 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on November 30, 2016, 11:22:44 PM
Post by: JJB11B on November 30, 2016, 11:24:16 PM
Post by: JODakota on December 01, 2016, 01:02:09 PM
A guy shot a big bull, posted it and then retracted and is now under investigation for poaching. Then he said this and someone said that and then this turned into the kardashian show. :chuckle::chuckle:
Post by: 2MANY on December 01, 2016, 01:48:58 PM
So what we see is fake?
False?
Implanted..............In our imagination?
Post by: Rainier10 on December 01, 2016, 01:57:04 PM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on December 01, 2016, 03:52:11 PM
Post by: DaveMonti on December 01, 2016, 04:26:45 PM
Post by: WALLEYEGUY on December 01, 2016, 04:31:54 PM
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Landowner on December 01, 2016, 05:29:31 PM
Post by: JJB11B on December 01, 2016, 07:19:40 PM
Meanwhile, back at the ranch.....it's always a good idea when hunting to know one's 10-20. And always be aware of the company one keeps.exactly!
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 01, 2016, 10:22:35 PM
Jesse call me
Hey Jesse, you know a couple folks from Chehalis....
Post by: JODakota on December 02, 2016, 01:18:20 AM
Jesse call me
Hey Jesse, you know a couple folks from Chehalis....
I believe I do.
Post by: trophyhunt on December 02, 2016, 06:25:52 AM
Meanwhile, back at the ranch.....it's always a good idea when hunting to know one's 10-20. And always be aware of the company one keeps.From what I hear, this Josh always seems to get customers. Any more news on the matter?
Post by: b0bbyg on December 02, 2016, 10:55:13 AM
A guy shot a big bull, posted it and then retracted and is now under investigation for poaching. Then he said this and someone said that and then this turned into the kardashian show. :chuckle:
:tup: Awesome summary!
Guess I missed the latest round of fireworks.
Post by: Mr Mykiss on December 02, 2016, 12:11:45 PM
From what I hear, this Josh always seems to get customers. Any more news on the matter?Yessir. But when you participate in the Buy-A-Bull program you need to be aware of the risks associated therewith.
Post by: trophyhunt on December 02, 2016, 01:41:20 PM
If I didn't hear about his dirty play, I might have signed up with him as well. Those lone Wolf's are a lot cheaper, , if they play by the rules.From what I hear, this Josh always seems to get customers. Any more news on the matter?Yessir. But when you participate in the Buy-A-Bull program you need to be aware of the risks associated therewith.
Post by: BreezyBear on December 02, 2016, 02:24:08 PM
Post by: h20hunter on December 02, 2016, 02:33:42 PM
Post by: BreezyBear on December 02, 2016, 02:48:26 PM
Post by: Jpmiller on December 02, 2016, 05:20:35 PM
Post by: h20hunter on December 02, 2016, 05:55:39 PM
Post by: Landowner on December 02, 2016, 07:16:40 PM
Post by: JODakota on December 02, 2016, 07:28:42 PM
No, it's not done.
I love it how people want it to be done. Guys like Teal need to be put on public display.
Post by: h20hunter on December 02, 2016, 07:30:20 PM
Post by: Landowner on December 02, 2016, 08:01:55 PM
As far as resolution one way or the other of the issues that resulted in this discussion, and details for the public, it should be no surprise to anyone that the system has it's own pace.
Post by: MtnMuley on December 02, 2016, 08:30:26 PM
Its done. Please let it be.
It may not be done. But, here, what we have already deleted, modified, and scrapped is done. Anyone goes down that road again will get this thread nuked.
Why threaten about a topic you really have no clue about? I thought you were a guy who was all about being legal and not condoning illegal actions? Seems to me, you're about stirring the pot with your "its done let it be" comment?
Post by: dscubame on December 02, 2016, 08:31:36 PM
Post by: 92xj on December 02, 2016, 08:34:42 PM
It may not be done. But, here, what we have already deleted, modified, and scrapped is done. Anyone goes down that road again will get this thread nuked.
Why threaten about a topic you really have no clue about? I thought you were a guy who was all about being legal and not condoning illegal actions? Seems to me, you're about stirring the pot with your "its done let it be" comment?
This is nothing new.
Post by: h20hunter on December 02, 2016, 08:47:11 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on December 02, 2016, 08:47:57 PM
Post by: Eric M on December 02, 2016, 09:39:58 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 02, 2016, 09:41:02 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 02, 2016, 09:56:00 PM
Pretty sure he's referring to the 50 or so posts that have been removed from this thread that were just people trapped in an endless back and forth pissing match which had literally nothing to do with this specific topic of discussion. I agree. That part of the discussion is over and done with.It may not be done. But, here, what we have already deleted, modified, and scrapped is done. Anyone goes down that road again will get this thread nuked.
Why threaten about a topic you really have no clue about? I thought you were a guy who was all about being legal and not condoning illegal actions? Seems to me, you're about stirring the pot with your "its done let it be" comment?
This is nothing new.
Carry on with the topic at hand.
Edit. It was only 40 posts we had to remove.
Post by: JODakota on December 02, 2016, 10:05:07 PM
Pretty sure he's referring to the 50 or so posts that have been removed from this thread that were just people trapped in an endless back and forth pissing match which had literally nothing to do with this specific topic of discussion. I agree. That part of the discussion is over and done with.It may not be done. But, here, what we have already deleted, modified, and scrapped is done. Anyone goes down that road again will get this thread nuked.
Why threaten about a topic you really have no clue about? I thought you were a guy who was all about being legal and not condoning illegal actions? Seems to me, you're about stirring the pot with your "its done let it be" comment?
This is nothing new.
Carry on with the topic at hand.
Edit. It was only 40 posts we had to remove.
:chuckle:
Post by: h20hunter on December 02, 2016, 10:13:32 PM
Post by: JJB11B on December 02, 2016, 10:20:13 PM
I am only commenting on two members going down a personal path. I do not condone or support any illegal activity. Post away any credible comments or information at will.:hello:
Post by: Timberstalker on December 21, 2016, 11:10:24 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 21, 2016, 11:35:58 AM
Official ruff score from cedar river taxidermy was 386 with the broken G5 but if he had broken off and matched his right side, he'd be around 393-394.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20161026%2F2ecdfcf3ff894ca7b84f4f7f12bdc3ae.jpg&hash=2823b2a02a50f8d499ad8da89f926439f7128ad6)
You don't have a hammer?
Post by: Landowner on January 14, 2017, 08:51:41 PM
Post by: WaHeadhunter on January 14, 2017, 10:24:59 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on January 14, 2017, 10:37:00 PM
Official ruff score from cedar river taxidermy was 386 with the broken G5 but if he had broken off and matched his right side, he'd be around 393-394.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20161026%2F2ecdfcf3ff894ca7b84f4f7f12bdc3ae.jpg&hash=2823b2a02a50f8d499ad8da89f926439f7128ad6)
You don't have a hammer?
I'm thinking the shooter is going to hammered. :yike:
Post by: csaaphill on January 15, 2017, 02:28:17 AM
Post by: Elkcollector82 on January 19, 2017, 05:52:29 AM
Post by: ELKBURGER on January 19, 2017, 09:40:11 AM
Post by: jackelope on January 19, 2017, 01:56:54 PM
This is dragging on way to long. :bash:
The Reichert stuff has been going on for over a year.
:dunno:
Post by: Timberstalker on January 19, 2017, 01:58:34 PM
This is dragging on way to long. :bash:
The Reichert stuff has been going on for over a year.
:dunno:
Exactly! And he had permission to kill his!
Post by: huntnphool on January 19, 2017, 02:12:10 PM
This is dragging on way to long. :bash:
The Reichert stuff has been going on for over a year.
:dunno:
Exactly! And he had permission to kill his!
Not from the state. :chuckle:
Post by: Timberstalker on January 19, 2017, 02:17:03 PM
Post by: BA Mongor on January 25, 2017, 05:51:58 PM
Any new developments on this?
Just curious.
BA
Post by: JJB11B on January 25, 2017, 06:52:00 PM
Who is Reichert?This is dragging on way to long. :bash:
The Reichert stuff has been going on for over a year.
:dunno:
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on January 25, 2017, 06:57:27 PM
Who is Reichert?This is dragging on way to long. :bash:
The Reichert stuff has been going on for over a year.
:dunno:
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,204834.0.html
Post by: idaho guy on February 24, 2017, 03:36:43 PM
Post by: Elkcollector82 on February 24, 2017, 04:36:57 PM
anything happen with this?
:fishin:
Post by: idaho guy on February 24, 2017, 06:18:52 PM
anything happen with this?
:fishin:
What's that mean? I read all the posts a waste of at least 1 hour of my life just wondering what actually happened?
Post by: Mr Mykiss on February 24, 2017, 07:27:38 PM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on February 24, 2017, 07:39:39 PM
Post by: idaho guy on February 24, 2017, 07:45:45 PM
Slow reader, eh?
Yes probably :tup:but from my reading seems like a lot of people are in the know just wondering what happened hope it was nothing great bull!
Post by: Landowner on April 07, 2017, 11:15:13 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on April 07, 2017, 11:28:25 AM
Post by: Jpmiller on April 07, 2017, 11:36:12 AM
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Post by: X-Force on April 07, 2017, 11:59:07 AM
Post by: WaHeadhunter on April 07, 2017, 09:44:54 PM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on April 08, 2017, 04:07:14 PM
Post by: Caseyd on April 08, 2017, 04:41:03 PM
Man that Warden was busy this year
Still are
Post by: Landowner on April 10, 2017, 06:00:44 PM
Lot's of eyes and ears out there now through planned and coordinated efforts.
Wireless camera and relay technology have made it easier to cover a lot of ground in a hurry.
And we are fortunate to have a strong commitment to enforcement of property rights by WDFW and the Prosecuting Attorney in Columbia County.
Post by: trophyhunt on April 11, 2017, 06:11:56 AM
The crackdown on trespassing---hunting, shed hunting----has amped up over here in the Blues.Too bad all the counties are not the same as columbia.
Lot's of eyes and ears out there now through planned and coordinated efforts.
Wireless camera and relay technology have made it easier to cover a lot of ground in a hurry.
And we are fortunate to have a strong commitment to enforcement of property rights by WDFW and the Prosecuting Attorney in Columbia County.
Post by: Jpmiller on April 11, 2017, 06:40:11 AM
The crackdown on trespassing---hunting, shed hunting----has amped up over here in the Blues.Too bad all the counties are not the same as columbia.
Lot's of eyes and ears out there now through planned and coordinated efforts.
Wireless camera and relay technology have made it easier to cover a lot of ground in a hurry.
And we are fortunate to have a strong commitment to enforcement of property rights by WDFW and the Prosecuting Attorney in Columbia County.
Amen
Post by: Maverick on May 31, 2017, 12:11:58 PM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on June 01, 2017, 07:08:39 PM
Post by: spin05 on June 12, 2017, 04:36:06 AM
Post by: Stein on June 13, 2017, 03:38:36 PM
Boy that RCW has alot in the defense column. I see a good lawyer making this go away. This is only a misdemeanor. Spot lighting is a felony with the penalty 10 times worse.
Maybe before he posted pictures on the internet with gps tags. Kind of hard to make that go away.
Post by: rosscrazyelk on June 13, 2017, 06:01:43 PM
Post by: Mfowl on June 13, 2017, 07:17:02 PM
But yet the biggest trespasser of all still roams down there.
Care to enlighten us to just who that is?
Post by: elkchaser54 on June 14, 2017, 10:29:58 AM
But yet the biggest trespasser of all still roams down there.
Care to enlighten us to just who that is?
Bigfoot
Post by: ShaneTyTrey on April 09, 2024, 05:37:33 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on April 09, 2024, 06:48:58 PM
Post by: Katmai Guy on April 09, 2024, 07:17:45 PM
what ever ended up coming of this?
Defendant got his antlers back.
Post by: OutHouse on May 03, 2024, 04:19:07 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on May 03, 2024, 05:17:29 PM
.
Oh, yeah..
Probably just was jealous of someone else's good luck and moved on...
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Great bull, I hope whoever looks at it every day is happy.
Post by: go4steelhd on May 03, 2024, 07:32:25 PM
what ever ended up coming of this?
Defendant got his antlers back.
How did they get the antlers back?
I followed this thread when it came out. Did they now decide it was there was not trespassing to harvest this bull?
Post by: millerwheeler on May 03, 2024, 08:01:15 PM
Post by: LDennis24 on May 03, 2024, 10:12:50 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on May 04, 2024, 06:48:37 AM
Post by: HntnFsh on May 04, 2024, 06:59:56 AM
In the three cases that I have caught trespassers, one with a nice buck I decided to go with a watering in their record. All three were pretty much squeaky clean. One did have a failure to use a barbless hook ticket. My thought was if they had a record of trespassing toss the book at them. Since they didn’t just a warning in their file. If they clean up their act great, if they reoffend hammer them. Maybe the land owner after some time softened up and asked the prosecutor to back off. :dunno:
Your a good man Rainier10!