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Community => Advocacy, Agencies, Access => Topic started by: Bean Counter on November 08, 2016, 08:58:43 PM

Title: Four States Initiatives on the 2nd Amendment
Post by: Bean Counter on November 08, 2016, 08:58:43 PM: Our enemies on the Left may be pooping their panties over the Congress and POTUS election, but are eeking out an important victory in their assault on Constitutional freedoms. Only Maine is rejecting stricter gun laws.

Edited @4:14am WA time:

Nevada: 100% of precincts reporting
Yes-558,586
No-548,685

Maine: 89% of precincts reporting
No- 355,879
Yes- 330,548

Kalifornia (People's Repugnant of): 92% of precincts reporting
Yes: 5,284,020
No: 3,128,437

Seattle (oh wait, I mean "Washington"): 65% reporting
Yes: 1,395,031
No: 563,138

Congratulations Washington, you're more liberal by % than Kalifornia. :bash:
Title: Re: Four States Initiatives on the 2nd Amendment
Post by: Curly on November 08, 2016, 09:02:35 PM: I was hoping washington voters would be smart enough to vote that crap down......I'm glad I didn't hold my breath.
Title: Re: Four States Initiatives on the 2nd Amendment
Post by: Gobble Gobble on November 08, 2016, 09:15:13 PM: I was just reading about the Cali Initiative and thought about posting it here. That's crazy requiring a background check for ammo purchases.
Title: Re: Four States Initiatives on the 2nd Amendment
Post by: Bean Counter on November 08, 2016, 09:16:17 PM: They deserve what they get.
Title: Re: Four States Initiatives on the 2nd Amendment
Post by: bigtex on November 08, 2016, 09:18:47 PM: Quote from: Curly on November 08, 2016, 09:02:35 PM
I was hoping washington voters would be smart enough to vote that crap down......I'm glad I didn't hold my breath.
Only 6 counties are voting against it....
Title: Re: Four States Initiatives on the 2nd Amendment
Post by: Knocker of rocks on November 08, 2016, 10:17:44 PM: Quote from: bigtex on November 08, 2016, 09:18:47 PM
Quote from: Curly on November 08, 2016, 09:02:35 PM
I was hoping washington voters would be smart enough to vote that crap down......I'm glad I didn't hold my breath.
Only 6 counties are voting against it....

And amoung those are some of the least populated counties in the state.

Map fron the Seattle Times website
Title: Re: Four States Initiatives on the 2nd Amendment
Post by: Gobble Gobble on November 08, 2016, 10:24:52 PM: I never thought it would have passed by such a large margin. There are supporters who will wrongfully have their rights revoked by a disgruntled (ex) loved one and will pay dearly to try and get their right restored.
Title: Re: Four States Initiatives on the 2nd Amendment
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on November 08, 2016, 10:28:00 PM: Truley a sad day in our state. :bash:

My wife will never know the combo to my safe. :tup:
Title: Re: Four States Initiatives on the 2nd Amendment
Post by: Gobble Gobble on November 08, 2016, 11:18:48 PM: It was 1980 the last time this state was red (governor). It's been blue and sad state ever since.
Title: Re: Four States Initiatives on the 2nd Amendment
Post by: Bean Counter on November 08, 2016, 11:24:09 PM: Well here in Arizona you can carry a gun without a permission slip from the gobmint. :IBCOOL:

Only Wyoming is more awesome :tup:
Title: Re: Four States Initiatives on the 2nd Amendment
Post by: Curly on November 09, 2016, 02:53:17 AM: I need to seriously think about moving and WY and AZ are going to be on top of the list.
Title: Re: Four States Initiatives on the 2nd Amendment
Post by: csaaphill on November 09, 2016, 03:40:29 AM: Quote from: Knocker of rocks on November 08, 2016, 10:17:44 PM
Quote from: bigtex on November 08, 2016, 09:18:47 PM
Quote from: Curly on November 08, 2016, 09:02:35 PM
I was hoping washington voters would be smart enough to vote that crap down......I'm glad I didn't hold my breath.
Only 6 counties are voting against it....

And amoung those are some of the least populated counties in the state.

Map fron the Seattle Times website
:yike: can't believe Walla Walla County let is pass too. :yike:
Was going to say something on this but see this is already there. :bash:
Title: Re: Four States Initiatives on the 2nd Amendment
Post by: Bean Counter on November 09, 2016, 04:13:31 AM: Quote from: Curly on November 09, 2016, 02:53:17 AM
I need to seriously think about moving and WY and AZ are going to be on top of the list.

I'll help you unpack. :brew:
Title: Re: Four States Initiatives on the 2nd Amendment
Post by: Bean Counter on November 09, 2016, 04:27:51 AM: Edited for updated totals: looks like Maine held the line, despite having approved both medical marijuana and an increase in the minimum wage. I read a year or so ago that our enemies on the Left strategized to put I-594's on the several states ballots along with pot legalization to increase the amount of flag burners coming out to vote. The minimum wage hike seems to have passed in Washington, Maine, and Arizona. So begins the trail down the flat earth, flat growth anti-science road to populism. :bash:

Looks like in Nevada it came down to 10,000 votes out of a million cast, ergo 1% :bash: Approximately 2.8 million people that live there, and yet another 10,001 couldn't be bothered to come out and stand for Constitutional rights. Hillary was defeated and there is cause for celebration in some respects. Celebrate your victory, but realize we have a long way to bringing us back to the federalist, constitutional Republic that actually made us great in the first place. :twocents:
Title: Re: Four States Initiatives on the 2nd Amendment
Post by: Special T on November 09, 2016, 06:36:43 AM: Quote from: Bean Counter on November 08, 2016, 11:24:09 PM
Well here in Arizona you can carry a gun without a permission slip from the gobmint. :IBCOOL:

Only Wyoming is more awesome :tup:
True fact...
Title: Re: Four States Initiatives on the 2nd Amendment
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 09, 2016, 06:45:29 AM: Due process? We don't need no stinking due process! :bash:
Title: Re: Four States Initiatives on the 2nd Amendment
Post by: Pacific on November 09, 2016, 09:06:11 PM: It sure seems to me from reading the initiatives in the voter pamphlet ( I voted no across the board)....that most, if not all dealt with more than one issue.....isn't that what was used against all the initiatives that were thrown out over the years after we the people passed them. Could these all be taken to court and overturned on the grounds that the deal with more than one thing? Hmmm......
Title: Re: Four States Initiatives on the 2nd Amendment
Post by: Bean Counter on November 09, 2016, 09:09:47 PM: It depends on your state's Constitution. In some states, such as Arizona where I live now, the legislature CANNOT go back and try to override the initiative process by voting to overturn what the people pass. I'm guessing a court could throw out parts or all but that sounds like a much higher bar.
Title: Re: Four States Initiatives on the 2nd Amendment
Post by: timberfaller on November 09, 2016, 09:41:41 PM: Last time I checked, there was 7 Million registered voters in the State of WA!!

Looks like another low voter turnout!! :bash:
Title: Re: Four States Initiatives on the 2nd Amendment
Post by: hughjorgan on November 09, 2016, 10:33:18 PM: Quote from: timberfaller on November 09, 2016, 09:41:41 PM
Last time I checked, there was 7 Million registered voters in the State of WA!!

Looks like another low voter turnout!! :bash:

That's the population I believe...
Title: Re: Four States Initiatives on the 2nd Amendment
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on November 13, 2016, 07:25:59 PM: Quote from: hughjorgan on November 09, 2016, 10:33:18 PM
Quote from: timberfaller on November 09, 2016, 09:41:41 PM
Last time I checked, there was 7 Million registered voters in the State of WA!!

Looks like another low voter turnout!! :bash:

That's the population I believe...

7.2 to be exact. :chuckle:

Yes very low turnout in this years election in WA.
Title: Re: Four States Initiatives on the 2nd Amendment
Post by: Machias on November 13, 2016, 08:12:51 PM: This and what is likely to come in the future is why when I move back in 6 weeks I am stopping at the border and living in Idaho.
Title: Re: Four States Initiatives on the 2nd Amendment
Post by: timberfaller on November 13, 2016, 10:19:25 PM: https://www.sos.wa.gov/elections/research/General-Election-Turnout.aspx

My mistake, Yes total pop. is 7 million plus!

BUT then look at the link!!

Very lazy voters in this state!! :bash: Numbers don't lie!!
Title: Re: Four States Initiatives on the 2nd Amendment
Post by: Knocker of rocks on November 15, 2016, 09:17:19 AM: Generally in excess of 75% on the presidential cycle, less on the congressional cycle, although this year was only about 70%.

These numbers are typical nationally
Title: Re: Four States Initiatives on the 2nd Amendment
Post by: andersonjk4 on November 15, 2016, 09:34:24 AM: I feel like their was little to no public support from the anti-I1491 lobby. I don't remember seeing a single No on I1491 ad and saw several a night from the yes on I1491 lobby. This is not surprising, but anymore the majority of people believe everything they see on TV and don't do any critical thinking of there own. My wife thought this was a great initiative and didn't see anything wrong with it, until I explained the negatives. All she knew was what she saw from the pro lobby. Not that I think a bunch of anti-I1491 commercials would have made a difference, but it just shows how badly the left has won. There is no opposition to the crazy liberals in this state any more.

Sometimes I wish when I moved last year, I would have done what Machias is doing and gone with Idaho instead of this. If they didn't have a state income tax it would have been a no brainer.
Title: Re: Four States Initiatives on the 2nd Amendment
Post by: wapiti hunter2 on November 15, 2016, 09:56:11 AM: 1491 Will likely be overturned. Even the ACLU opposed it. It sounds reasonable but totally violates due process as defined by the constitution. The writers even said it was flawed but that the state legislature would be able to "fix" it. However, they forget that that can't happen for two years under Washington law.
Title: Re: Four States Initiatives on the 2nd Amendment
Post by: Knocker of rocks on November 17, 2016, 09:08:15 AM: Quote from: timberfaller on November 13, 2016, 10:19:25 PM

Very lazy voters in this state!! :bash: Numbers don't lie!!

The numbers say that 79% of the voters have returned their ballots, less than the ~83% of the last two presidential cycle elections but certainly far from any "very lazy" metric, unless one misunderstands the very numbers they are reading.
Title: Re: Four States Initiatives on the 2nd Amendment
Post by: Special T on November 17, 2016, 09:34:58 AM: Quote from: Machias on November 13, 2016, 08:12:51 PM
This and what is likely to come in the future is why when I move back in 6 weeks I am stopping at the border and living in Idaho.
I would love for you to start a thread about where you chose to land and why, making the comparisons between where you used to live in wa/were looking to return to and where you land in ID.

I forsee the need to relocate at some point. I really like the panhandle area and thier general contempt of federal authority. (In many cases it's all authority not just federal). The one thing that hangs me up is the income tax and a sales tax. The difference won't matter much if this state manages to get an income tax, but until then...
Title: Re: Four States Initiatives on the 2nd Amendment
Post by: Bean Counter on November 17, 2016, 01:13:02 PM: Quote from: Boss .300 winmag on November 13, 2016, 07:25:59 PM
Quote from: hughjorgan on November 09, 2016, 10:33:18 PM
Quote from: timberfaller on November 09, 2016, 09:41:41 PM
Last time I checked, there was 7 Million registered voters in the State of WA!!

Looks like another low voter turnout!! :bash:

That's the population I believe...

I heard on the radio last night that 80-90 million eligible American voters didn't vote this year, as usual. They are the real deplorables. :twocents:

7.2 to be exact. :chuckle:

Yes very low turnout in this years election in WA.