Post by: jtrammell on November 16, 2016, 01:35:11 PM
https://www.facebook.com/theheir3304/videos/1121536941249654/?autoplay_reason=gatekeeper&video_container_type=1&video_creator_product_type=0&app_id=2392950137&live_video_guests=0
Post by: Dan-o on November 16, 2016, 01:45:34 PM
I've had three stolen over the years, and I just love that you caught them.
Post by: jtrammell on November 16, 2016, 01:48:28 PM
Cody and Nathan even went back after they were caught and posted a video of trash all around the site. They threw all sorts of trash and beer cans out there. When the warden told me that I laughed and told him I'm a complete beer snob. If it wasn't some micro-brew IPA, it definitely wasn't me.
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on November 16, 2016, 02:00:14 PM
Post by: jtrammell on November 16, 2016, 02:29:48 PM
Just amazing. I placed two cams at the same location in ID in July (one on snap, one on VID). When I returned to hunt in SEP, somebody had taken both cards out of them. Glad you got these thieves on VID and hopefully, they'll get the MAX punishment for theft of private property. Nothing worse than a thief or a liar in my book.
Post by: JohnD on November 16, 2016, 02:48:17 PM
Post by: jtrammell on November 16, 2016, 03:00:32 PM
So if you bear bait and leave beer cans all over the place, I can rip off your camera without consequences? What kind of defense is that? I'm so glad you caught them.
Post by: Rainier10 on November 16, 2016, 03:47:50 PM
Post by: Elkrunner on November 16, 2016, 03:58:08 PM
Post by: huntingfool7 on November 16, 2016, 04:01:36 PM
Post by: Jellymon on November 16, 2016, 04:17:27 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on November 16, 2016, 04:29:42 PM
Good deal that they are facing a judge. What kind of penalty are they potentially looking at?
Not enough probably. :bash:
Post by: Fl0und3rz on November 16, 2016, 04:40:09 PM
Post by: gonehuntin68 on November 16, 2016, 04:58:46 PM
Post by: jstone on November 16, 2016, 05:55:04 PM
Post by: jtrammell on November 16, 2016, 06:00:47 PM
Post by: 257wbymagkiller on November 16, 2016, 06:32:56 PM
Post by: Taco280AI on November 16, 2016, 06:55:27 PM
Post by: jtrammell on November 16, 2016, 09:50:16 PM
Some good kids here. We ran across them last year with a bull in there truck they shot at night. Rangers must have pushed them out of Eatonville. Saw them yesterday in packwood.
Post by: jtrammell on November 16, 2016, 09:57:13 PM
:chuckle:
Post by: buckmaster303 on November 17, 2016, 02:32:08 AM
Post by: 257wbymagkiller on November 17, 2016, 12:28:55 PM
REALLY?! Hopefully you turned them in. They're known poachers.Some good kids here. We ran across them last year with a bull in there truck they shot at night. Rangers must have pushed them out of Eatonville. Saw them yesterday in packwood.
Called and made a report.
Post by: OutHouse on November 18, 2016, 11:00:19 AM
Unfortunately they're only facing vandalism. When I speak to the judge I will tell them their intent was to steal the camera, not just break it.
I really enjoyed the video especially your forceful "give me your effing ID"! It was priceless and they were absolutely terrified. Yea, that vandalism will be charged as malicious mischief 3rd degree. 364 day maximum but they won't see any serious jail time unless they have serious criminal records. Make sure you talk to the prosecutor and tell him as the victim you would not approve any deals being given that do not involve a plea to the crime as charged. A lot of people get deals that end up getting the case dismissed but that shouldn't be given here.
Post by: jtrammell on November 19, 2016, 08:15:06 AM
Unfortunately they're only facing vandalism. When I speak to the judge I will tell them their intent was to steal the camera, not just break it.
I really enjoyed the video especially your forceful "give me your effing ID"! It was priceless and they were absolutely terrified. Yea, that vandalism will be charged as malicious mischief 3rd degree. 364 day maximum but they won't see any serious jail time unless they have serious criminal records. Make sure you talk to the prosecutor and tell him as the victim you would not approve any deals being given that do not involve a plea to the crime as charged. A lot of people get deals that end up getting the case dismissed but that shouldn't be given here.
Post by: sgtss on November 22, 2016, 06:11:05 AM
REALLY?! Hopefully you turned them in. They're known poachers.Some good kids here. We ran across them last year with a bull in there truck they shot at night. Rangers must have pushed them out of Eatonville. Saw them yesterday in packwood.
Called and made a report.
How do you know they shot a elk at night? Just curiousREALLY?! Hopefully you turned them in. They're known poachers.Some good kids here. We ran across them last year with a bull in there truck they shot at night. Rangers must have pushed them out of Eatonville. Saw them yesterday in packwood.
Called and made a report.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on November 22, 2016, 06:21:58 AM
Post by: Dan-o on November 22, 2016, 06:40:55 AM
Waste of taxpayers money for vandalizing a trail camera. You don't like that, but that's how I feel. You shudda got the money from them and then gave 'em an ass whoopin'.
Bad advice.
This is 2016, not the wild west of the 1800's.
You don't have to like it, but if you go around handing out ass whoopins you will be sued out of house and home.
This guy is doing it ALL the right way.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on November 22, 2016, 07:31:01 AM
Waste of taxpayers money for vandalizing a trail camera. You don't like that, but that's how I feel. You shudda got the money from them and then gave 'em an ass whoopin'.
Bad advice.
This is 2016, not the wild west of the 1800's.
You don't have to like it, but if you go around handing out ass whoopins you will be sued out of house and home.
This guy is doing it ALL the right way.
He is, but I don't think like that. Some people need to have their butts kicked. That's what's partially wrong with this country.
Post by: jtrammell on November 22, 2016, 03:35:22 PM
Waste of taxpayers money for vandalizing a trail camera. You don't like that, but that's how I feel. You shudda got the money from them and then gave 'em an ass whoopin'.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on November 22, 2016, 03:41:14 PM
Why would I want to risk my military career over some clowns trying to steal something I worked hard to get? Getting the money and beating them up doesn't teach them anything. When they have to tell their employers the reasons they are missing work, and when they are looked over on certain jobs because it goes on their records, THAT teaches them a lesson.Waste of taxpayers money for vandalizing a trail camera. You don't like that, but that's how I feel. You shudda got the money from them and then gave 'em an ass whoopin'.
You never mentioned you are in the military. Tell the whole story, so people will understand where YOU are coming from. I really don't think any employer would give a rats butt about a vandalism misdemeanor. You don't have to tell your employer why you missed work either. They'll lie about that I bet. Good luck on your prosecution on them.. :tup:
Post by: jtrammell on November 22, 2016, 03:43:34 PM
He also accused me of baiting bear, like Nathan and Cody did
REALLY?! Hopefully you turned them in. They're known poachers.Some good kids here. We ran across them last year with a bull in there truck they shot at night. Rangers must have pushed them out of Eatonville. Saw them yesterday in packwood.
Called and made a report.How do you know they shot a elk at night? Just curiousREALLY?! Hopefully you turned them in. They're known poachers.Some good kids here. We ran across them last year with a bull in there truck they shot at night. Rangers must have pushed them out of Eatonville. Saw them yesterday in packwood.
Called and made a report.
Post by: jtrammell on November 22, 2016, 03:46:24 PM
Why would I want to risk my military career over some clowns trying to steal something I worked hard to get? Getting the money and beating them up doesn't teach them anything. When they have to tell their employers the reasons they are missing work, and when they are looked over on certain jobs because it goes on their records, THAT teaches them a lesson.Waste of taxpayers money for vandalizing a trail camera. You don't like that, but that's how I feel. You shudda got the money from them and then gave 'em an ass whoopin'.
You never mentioned you are in the military. Tell the whole story, so people will understand where YOU are coming from. I really don't think any employer would give a rats butt about a vandalism misdemeanor. You don't have to tell your employer why you missed work either. They'll lie about that I bet. Good luck on your prosecution on them.. :tup:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on November 22, 2016, 03:54:52 PM
Post by: 2labs on November 22, 2016, 04:28:43 PM
Whatever, I don't think like others on here. I'm old school and believe in a good knock on the head.
:yeah:
Post by: saylean on November 22, 2016, 04:30:47 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on November 22, 2016, 04:40:28 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on November 22, 2016, 04:49:59 PM
Super smart to throw down with two guys who have bad judgement and a weapon.
I ALWAYS have a weapon on me too....
Post by: gonehuntin68 on November 22, 2016, 06:18:20 PM
Super smart to throw down with two guys who have bad judgement and a weapon.
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Post by: Taco280AI on November 22, 2016, 06:18:58 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on November 22, 2016, 06:53:34 PM
Don't get me wrong, I think they are in need of a good a$$ whoopin, but you'd get in a gun fight against two guys over a trail cam? :o
Not a gun fight for $50 stinking bucks.....people should almost expect that their precious trail camera WILL be stolen. Crap happens.
Post by: Dan-o on November 22, 2016, 07:34:54 PM
Post by: Widgeondeke on November 22, 2016, 07:45:31 PM
I think we can all agree that in a perfect world those two would be beaten to a pulp.
:yeah:.
Post by: jtrammell on November 22, 2016, 08:47:38 PM
Post by: Band on November 22, 2016, 10:31:50 PM
I chose the high road. You can say you're old school, and you wouldve done this or that, but at the end of the day, I made my choice and I'm happy with it. We go to court on December 9th and I cant wait to talk to the judge and give him MORE evidence of the situation.Thanks for taking the time and effort to go to court. I'm sure your personal time is better spent doing something else but holding POS's like these accountable is an important principle that needs to be followed through with.
I'm imagining what I might have done had I caught the POS who stole one of my cams last year. I'd love to find out who it was and get even. And by get even, I mean get ahead. Way ahead. In a way that would make them regret ever having stolen something that doesn't belong to them. I hate POS thieves and would be hard pressed to hold a property owner accountable for beating the living crap out of a thief (or worse) if I were on a jury in such a case. The next guy who thinks about stealing one of my cams had best be looking over his shoulder.
Post by: DaveMonti on November 22, 2016, 10:44:29 PM
OP, you are doing the right thing. You don't owe anyone anything on here about why you chose this path, and you certainly don't owe anyone any info about what you do for a living. Keep doing the right thing.
Post by: TikkaT3-270Shortmag on November 23, 2016, 08:40:15 AM
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Post by: Jonathan_S on November 23, 2016, 10:08:06 AM
Post by: 2MANY on November 23, 2016, 10:11:01 AM
Post by: jtrammell on November 23, 2016, 11:58:27 AM
Ya tough guys on the computer. My question is how do u prove its ur cam to the police ir in court? Engrave you name in it? Im just curious as to im heading out in a little but to hang one. I get it if its on private property.
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Post by: jtrammell on November 23, 2016, 12:00:19 PM
Electronic,Motion activated, cameras for hunting should be outlawed right next to the battery powered waterfowl decoys.
Post by: Band on November 23, 2016, 01:59:07 PM
All this tough talk about busting someone up is priceless.Nothing wrong with blowing off a little steam and making thieves think twice before stealing what doesn't belong to them. :twocents:
Post by: DaveMonti on November 23, 2016, 02:50:33 PM
http://www.king5.com/news/crime/stray-bullet-leaves-woman-in-critical-condition-after-bonney-lake-shooting/348178860 (http://www.king5.com/news/crime/stray-bullet-leaves-woman-in-critical-condition-after-bonney-lake-shooting/348178860)
Post by: jtrammell on November 26, 2016, 01:39:55 PM
Ignorance at its finest.
Post by: Smossy on November 26, 2016, 02:27:10 PM
They should be punished, just as I have been and everyone should be. Bad juju right there.
Glad to say I don't know these guys but If I remember correctly this took place within a few miles of our place.
Post by: MADMAX on November 27, 2016, 09:28:59 AM
not worth it
Post by: 257wbymagkiller on November 27, 2016, 10:29:39 AM
Post by: jtrammell on December 09, 2016, 10:34:06 AM
Cody changed his plea to GUILTY. He now has to choose between 10 days jail, or 10 days electronic home monitoring.
Post by: Rainier10 on December 09, 2016, 10:41:17 AM
*UPDATE*I'm impressed. Thanks for the update.
Cody changed his plea to GUILTY. He now has to choose between 10 days jail, or 10 days electronic home monitoring.
Post by: lamrith on December 09, 2016, 12:19:22 PM
*UPDATE*Sad that he has a choice, but at least there is some punishment and mark on his record.
Cody changed his plea to GUILTY. He now has to choose between 10 days jail, or 10 days electronic home monitoring.
Post by: Widgeondeke on December 09, 2016, 01:34:00 PM
any monetary fines?
Do you get reimbursed for the damage or would that require civil court?
Post by: Scvette on December 09, 2016, 02:06:22 PM
Post by: Band on December 09, 2016, 04:53:08 PM
Too bad the judge can't make those POS go stand in front of Cabelas on a Saturday with a big sign saying...I'm a thief that got caught trying to steal a game camera out in the field and this is part of my punishment.:yeah: Shoot, I'd make the drive down there to give them a piece of my mind.
8)
Post by: OutHouse on December 13, 2016, 01:24:35 PM
Post by: MR5x5 on December 14, 2016, 04:07:12 PM
All that said, stealing cams is a totally BS move!
Post by: Buckmark on December 14, 2016, 04:23:09 PM
not, not, not trying to start an argument.... but just curious if this was on private or public ground? If public am just, simply curious what the law says about removal of something like this? I'd have figure the law would not protect personal property left on public ground?If it is not yours dont touch it :bash:
All that said, stealing cams is a totally BS move!
If i am up in Nat forest or other lands open to the public and not private hunting/camping and have my tent, trailer, etc etc set up and i head out to hunt it is not yours to take :bash:
if i put my trail camera out it is not yours, my tree stand etc etc :bash:+
Theft is theft, if someone steals your car that you parked at a public parking lot (like a park) you are covered under the law....
:mor:
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 14, 2016, 04:25:51 PM
not, not, not trying to start an argument.... but just curious if this was on private or public ground? If public am just, simply curious what the law says about removal of something like this? I'd have figure the law would not protect personal property left on public ground?
All that said, stealing cams is a totally BS move!
Just think about what your saying about public ground! Everybody leaves things on public ground all the time, your cars, bikes, motorcycles. :chuckle:
Post by: huntingfool7 on December 14, 2016, 04:31:24 PM
not, not, not trying to start an argument.... but just curious if this was on private or public ground? If public am just, simply curious what the law says about removal of something like this? I'd have figure the law would not protect personal property left on public ground?:bash:
All that said, stealing cams is a totally BS move!
Post by: MtnMuley on December 14, 2016, 04:41:51 PM
Post by: huntingfool7 on December 14, 2016, 06:27:41 PM
Wow, he flat out said he didn't want to cause an argument. :dunno: I think he's wondering like I am if those charges he got were from taking a cam on public land. I surely hope so. That'd be nice to see a judge issue a punishment from stealing a cam on public, like he would on private.The cameras I've had stolen or messed with were on private land. Guess I don't understand why that would be worse than taking one on public land.
FWIW, I have an expectation that trespassers will tamper/steal cameras on private property. Those Dbags are already up to no good!
It's Joe BlowStickyFinger on public ground that's surprising. A normal everyday guy that wouldn't think to pilfer or shoplift in Walmart but can't pass up another guys gear.
Post by: MR5x5 on December 15, 2016, 09:34:40 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 15, 2016, 09:45:26 AM
Post by: huntingbaldguy on December 15, 2016, 09:45:51 AM
The cams were turned upside down prior to a hard rain and both cards stolen. I don't know why they didn't take the cams but i guess i should be thankful???
Post by: huntingfool7 on December 15, 2016, 11:57:23 AM
Again, not trying to start an argument.... so if you feel the need to freak out and bang your head on the wall do it elsewhere. Public ground cars etc is good example, but cars on public streets need to be moved in given period or they are impounded, camps on national forest are time limited. There is a nice camera box, w/o camera ever, bolted to a tree for last 5 years. Should it be considered abandoned, can I use it, does someone own that tree now.... I know any number of guys who leave/neglect cams in the woods over the winter. Really just curious if the law at some point looks at things like the as abandoned at some point?:dunno: So I'm at a Christmas party last week and we're doing introductions. Afterword a guy at the table asked an East Indian what his name meant in English :yike:
He didn't get what was wrong with that either.
Post by: MR5x5 on December 15, 2016, 03:43:02 PM
:bash:Again, not trying to start an argument.... so if you feel the need to freak out and bang your head on the wall do it elsewhere. Public ground cars etc is good example, but cars on public streets need to be moved in given period or they are impounded, camps on national forest are time limited. There is a nice camera box, w/o camera ever, bolted to a tree for last 5 years. Should it be considered abandoned, can I use it, does someone own that tree now.... I know any number of guys who leave/neglect cams in the woods over the winter. Really just curious if the law at some point looks at things like the as abandoned at some point?:dunno: So I'm at a Christmas party last week and we're doing introductions. Afterword a guy at the table asked an East Indian what his name meant in English :yike:
He didn't get what was wrong with that either.
It was a pretty simple, honest, question out of curiosity. If I could figure out away to ask it using crayons and pictures so you could understand it I would.
Troll
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 15, 2016, 04:36:08 PM
:bash:Again, not trying to start an argument.... so if you feel the need to freak out and bang your head on the wall do it elsewhere. Public ground cars etc is good example, but cars on public streets need to be moved in given period or they are impounded, camps on national forest are time limited. There is a nice camera box, w/o camera ever, bolted to a tree for last 5 years. Should it be considered abandoned, can I use it, does someone own that tree now.... I know any number of guys who leave/neglect cams in the woods over the winter. Really just curious if the law at some point looks at things like the as abandoned at some point?:dunno: So I'm at a Christmas party last week and we're doing introductions. Afterword a guy at the table asked an East Indian what his name meant in English :yike:
He didn't get what was wrong with that either.
You fail reading comprehension. His question was how does the law look at this on public land vs private land
Post by: elkman54 on December 15, 2016, 08:21:53 PM
Post by: Dan-o on December 15, 2016, 08:50:19 PM
:bash:Again, not trying to start an argument.... so if you feel the need to freak out and bang your head on the wall do it elsewhere. Public ground cars etc is good example, but cars on public streets need to be moved in given period or they are impounded, camps on national forest are time limited. There is a nice camera box, w/o camera ever, bolted to a tree for last 5 years. Should it be considered abandoned, can I use it, does someone own that tree now.... I know any number of guys who leave/neglect cams in the woods over the winter. Really just curious if the law at some point looks at things like the as abandoned at some point?:dunno: So I'm at a Christmas party last week and we're doing introductions. Afterword a guy at the table asked an East Indian what his name meant in English :yike:
He didn't get what was wrong with that either.
It was a pretty simple, honest, question out of curiosity. If I could figure out away to ask it using crayons and pictures so you could understand it I would.
Troll
So laffin'
How dare you ask a question while trying not to start an argument? :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: huntingfool7 on December 16, 2016, 07:01:24 AM
If it's not on your privately owned property, leave other peoples crap alone.
Post by: huntingfool7 on December 16, 2016, 08:20:09 AM
I'd have figure the law would not protect personal property left on public ground?
You fail reading comprehension. His question was how does the law look at this on public land vs private land
Comprehension? His quote says that if it's on public property he figures it's not protected (theft).
Post by: jtrammell on December 17, 2016, 03:17:58 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 17, 2016, 03:55:43 PM
LOL :chuckle: When is it OK to take other peoples stuff?
If it's not on your privately owned property, leave other peoples crap alone.
who is saying that people should do otherwise?
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 17, 2016, 03:59:45 PM
The law doesnt care if it's on private or public lands. The law cares that they both vandalized, broke and shot my equipment. Many people have said anything left in the woods is abandoned property. I did some research on that and I wouldnt find ANY law that stated anything like that.
I am thinking that rule is specific to wilderness areas. Obviously not private property or necessarily all public land. I can't find it in RCWs.
I think you guys might be figuring that 5x5's question is pointed at your situation. In truth, I think he is genuinely curious about how that law would have applied in a different but similar situation.
Again, glad that justice was served. You did the right thing.
Post by: Taco280AI on December 18, 2016, 05:05:59 PM
Post by: Lefthook on December 18, 2016, 06:17:27 PM
Really sad to see what has become of the places we took for granted as a great escape, thinking others felt the same. Now knowing differently.
Post by: bigtex on December 18, 2016, 06:27:44 PM
It's a federal public land regulation and isn't found in the RCWs but rather the CFRs to the appropriate federal land management agency.The law doesnt care if it's on private or public lands. The law cares that they both vandalized, broke and shot my equipment. Many people have said anything left in the woods is abandoned property. I did some research on that and I wouldnt find ANY law that stated anything like that.I am thinking that rule is specific to wilderness areas. Obviously not private property or necessarily all public land. I can't find it in RCWs.
On one federal agency's land any property that hasn't been moved/touched in 72 hours is considered abandoned. The regulation authorizes the agency to seize the property and cite the offender.
Post by: Lefthook on December 18, 2016, 07:21:43 PM
Post by: huntingfool7 on December 18, 2016, 10:34:21 PM
I remember finding really nice hunting cabins in the middle of no where. We would stay in them and while there, act like temporary care takers. We would leave them just like we found them. For the first five or so years it was nice to stay at them, there was three spread out over 20+ miles. Finally, one after another was vandalized. None exist today.Good memories and good people are where you find them. Here's to caretakers :tup:
Really sad to see what has become of the places we took for granted as a great escape, thinking others felt the same. Now knowing differently.
Post by: huntingfool7 on December 19, 2016, 05:42:08 PM
:)
Post by: Lefthook on December 19, 2016, 06:33:10 PM
I killed a bull in a new clear cut that had an eery familiarity to it. It wasn't until after that I realized the new clearcut was once that stand of timber the cabin was built in.
Post by: fish vacuum on December 22, 2016, 09:27:39 PM
I put cameras out too and haven't researched what the rules are for the agency in charge of the land.
Post by: jtrammell on January 22, 2017, 12:48:17 PM
Nathan was suppose to have his pre-trial conference last week but was unable to make it. The prosecutor called me and said that it has been rescheduled for 23 February and he plans on changing his plea from "Not guilty" to "guilty".
Post by: huntingfool7 on January 22, 2017, 01:22:18 PM
Post by: NW SURVEYOR on January 22, 2017, 01:40:58 PM
Let's say it's 5-8 years old and still sound/safe.
Can I use it and if so am I obligated to vacate siad stand upon request/demand?
I have built a few and never had a problem, but I could.
Post by: jtrammell on February 13, 2017, 08:50:26 PM
What about a tree stand a 1/2 mile back from the road on Fed Land?
Let's say it's 5-8 years old and still sound/safe.
Can I use it and if so am I obligated to vacate siad stand upon request/demand?
I have built a few and never had a problem, but I could.
Post by: OutHouse on February 14, 2017, 04:39:56 PM
What about a tree stand a 1/2 mile back from the road on Fed Land?
Let's say it's 5-8 years old and still sound/safe.
Can I use it and if so am I obligated to vacate siad stand upon request/demand?
I have built a few and never had a problem, but I could.
As I recall from school, whether property is abandoned is basically a totality of the circumstances test--meaning if given all the circumstances a reasonable person would conclude it's abandoned--then it is technically abandoned and if one takes it they have a defense to theft. With your tree stand idea lets say you saw it there a few years in a row and it started to form moss on the rungs that was never disturbed from a climber. If you took it or used it I don't think there would be any violation of the law. Just my opinion and I have seen a few theft prosecutions fold because of interesting facts like that.
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He also got a DUI.
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