Post by: Bango skank on December 06, 2016, 04:55:23 PM
Id like to add that when i ran up the hill and caught tgem running down the property line, they didnt know i was there, and i heard chris say to his companion that "i guess this is where we need to put our stands." He was discussing intentionally hunting my property, or at the very least the property line. This guy is a sht heel.
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 06, 2016, 05:06:24 PM
Post by: Bango skank on December 06, 2016, 05:14:19 PM
Call edge maybe have them talk to him see if you can go recover your deer with a edge officer :dunno:
No idea what edge is, but i made a call pretty high up the lical wdfw chain and explained the situation, and was told that deer is coyote food and my tag is still valid. So i guess ill put on triple layers and get back to my publuc land hunt, cause im sure as hell not putting an arrow in another buck here. What burns ny ass is that i saw the arrow go in the money spot, it passed through and is sticking out of a stump covered in blood. The deer is certainly dead less than 100 yrds from the property line, but theres nothing i can do about it without lowering myself to CHRIS ANDERSONs level.
Post by: jstone on December 06, 2016, 05:43:51 PM
Post by: BNAElkhntr on December 06, 2016, 05:55:03 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on December 06, 2016, 06:12:45 PM
Post by: Bango skank on December 06, 2016, 06:14:37 PM
Bango did you give these picts to WDFW since they are both trespassing and a Deer A Resource all of us revere was wasted BURN THEM
I didnt post my property line, being the new guy in the neighborhood, i wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt and not come off like an ass. Big mistake. Despite the fact they had their land flagged with surveyor ribbon, i couldnt prosecute for trespassibg since i wasnt posted, hence CHRIS ANDERSON getting a ticket for no hunter orange in the pic. This year you can see the line of yellow signs from space.
Post by: Bango skank on December 06, 2016, 06:20:01 PM
The wasting deer sucks,The neighbors disrespecting each others boundaries sucks.I too would go after him every way i could if he was caught on my property again.All that being said,It is never a good idea to hunt so close to private property that access has not been secured.I'm sure that wasn't a wanted reply but facts are facts.
I have 21 acres and shot the buck in the center of my property. I guarantee its dead within 100 yards of the line. What minimum acreage would you recommend a guy own to legally hunt? Lets make a law that you cant hunt on a property under 100 acres?
Post by: Rainier10 on December 06, 2016, 06:28:39 PM
Maybe start another thread to discuss Chris Anderson.
Just my :twocents:
Post by: Bango skank on December 06, 2016, 06:34:29 PM
:jacked: :jacked: :jacked:
Maybe start another thread to discuss Chris Anderson.
Just my :twocents:
Thread stil discussing a person on cam. Still on topic. Go find another cause.
Post by: Oh Mah on December 06, 2016, 06:44:11 PM
I was going off what you said to have been a great shot lots of blood all the way thru into a stump and no more than 100 yards into neighbors property.now your saying that the deer went 5.0 acres to the property line plus maybe another 100 yards no more.lmao which is it?The wasting deer sucks,The neighbors disrespecting each others boundaries sucks.I too would go after him every way i could if he was caught on my property again.All that being said,It is never a good idea to hunt so close to private property that access has not been secured.I'm sure that wasn't a wanted reply but facts are facts.
I have 21 acres and shot the buck in the center of my property. I guarantee its dead within 100 yards of the line. What minimum acreage would you recommend a guy own to legally hunt? Lets make a law that you cant hunt on a property under 100 acres?
Post by: Oh Mah on December 06, 2016, 06:47:21 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 06, 2016, 06:49:27 PM
sorry stupid smart phone doesn't know what wdfw is auto corrected it edge.Call edge maybe have them talk to him see if you can go recover your deer with a edge officer :dunno:
No idea what edge is, but i made a call pretty high up the lical wdfw chain and explained the situation, and was told that deer is coyote food and my tag is still valid. So i guess ill put on triple layers and get back to my publuc land hunt, cause im sure as hell not putting an arrow in another buck here. What burns ny ass is that i saw the arrow go in the money spot, it passed through and is sticking out of a stump covered in blood. The deer is certainly dead less than 100 yrds from the property line, but theres nothing i can do about it without lowering myself to CHRIS ANDERSONs level.
Post by: Bango skank on December 06, 2016, 06:50:43 PM
I was going off what you said to have been a great shot lots of blood all the way thru into a stump and no more than 100 yards into neighbors property.now your saying that the deer went 5.0 acres to the property line plus maybe another 100 yards no more.lmao which is it?The wasting deer sucks,The neighbors disrespecting each others boundaries sucks.I too would go after him every way i could if he was caught on my property again.All that being said,It is never a good idea to hunt so close to private property that access has not been secured.I'm sure that wasn't a wanted reply but facts are facts.
I have 21 acres and shot the buck in the center of my property. I guarantee its dead within 100 yards of the line. What minimum acreage would you recommend a guy own to legally hunt? Lets make a law that you cant hunt on a property under 100 acres?
My property is longer than wide. I left the bloody arrow in the stump. If you doubt me youre welcome to come and ill show you the arrow, still in the stump, and walk you to the property line.
Post by: whacker1 on December 06, 2016, 06:51:26 PM
Post by: BNAElkhntr on December 06, 2016, 06:54:00 PM
I Believe in The State of Wa No Posting is Necessary, And since they knew the Line It was Marked Then They Knew they were TrespassingBango did you give these picts to WDFW since they are both trespassing and a Deer A Resource all of us revere was wasted BURN THEM
I didnt post my property line, being the new guy in the neighborhood, i wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt and not come off like an ass. Big mistake. Despite the fact they had their land flagged with surveyor ribbon, i couldnt prosecute for trespassibg since i wasnt posted, hence CHRIS ANDERSON getting a ticket for no hunter orange in the pic. This year you can see the line of yellow signs from space.
Post by: Bango skank on December 06, 2016, 06:54:56 PM
350 yards plus is the line of travel to cross the property line from the center of the property assuming 5 acres on square. But this isn't the thread for this. I think you would get more mileage out of this Chris Anderson witch hunt as a separate thread in addition to this one.
Witch hunt nothing, he poached a deer on my property, ran away from me in the act, then wouldnt return my call.
Post by: 81husky on December 06, 2016, 07:00:45 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on December 06, 2016, 07:00:48 PM
is there a deer rotting on the ground? yesI was going off what you said to have been a great shot lots of blood all the way thru into a stump and no more than 100 yards into neighbors property.now your saying that the deer went 5.0 acres to the property line plus maybe another 100 yards no more.lmao which is it?The wasting deer sucks,The neighbors disrespecting each others boundaries sucks.I too would go after him every way i could if he was caught on my property again.All that being said,It is never a good idea to hunt so close to private property that access has not been secured.I'm sure that wasn't a wanted reply but facts are facts.
I have 21 acres and shot the buck in the center of my property. I guarantee its dead within 100 yards of the line. What minimum acreage would you recommend a guy own to legally hunt? Lets make a law that you cant hunt on a property under 100 acres?
My property is longer than wide. I left the bloody arrow in the stump. If you doubt me youre welcome to come and ill show you the arrow, still in the stump, and walk you to the property line.
is it your fault?yes
why are you on here trying to get people to see your way?the fact is you shot a deer that in most hunters mind was to close to property line,because you didn't kill it in a location far enough from that line and the deer crossed it and laid to waste.you took a shot that you ethically should not have taken for the simple reason that the job did not get done and the deer is wasting.accept it!
Post by: Oh Mah on December 06, 2016, 07:02:09 PM
Post by: Russ McDonald on December 06, 2016, 07:17:47 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 06, 2016, 07:32:28 PM
Post by: jasnt on December 06, 2016, 07:44:21 PM
350 yards plus is the line of travel to cross the property line from the center of the property assuming 5 acres on square. But this isn't the thread for this. I think you would get more mileage out of this Chris Anderson witch hunt as a separate thread in addition to this one.then how is my ten acers 220x220 yards. You math is off
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on December 06, 2016, 07:45:17 PM
350 yards plus is the line of travel to cross the property line from the center of the property assuming 5 acres on square. But this isn't the thread for this. I think you would get more mileage out of this Chris Anderson witch hunt as a separate thread in addition to this one.
WRONG...a 5 acre square is 467 ft. x 467 ft. ( actually 5.01 ac.) That makes it 155.67 yards wide....From the center of the property it would be 77.84 yards to the line. Typically a 20 ac. parcel is 1320 ft. x 660 ft. (not all 20 ac. pieces measure this ) If it is a "typical" 20 ac. parcel from the middle it would be 330 ft. or 110 yards to the property line. Correct me if my math is wrong. And I CAN'T STAND Trespassing pieces of schit. I've heard every excuse. Bango---is Chris Anderson related to Dan Anderson the retired Game Warden from Chewelah??
Post by: Bango skank on December 06, 2016, 07:47:34 PM
350 yards plus is the line of travel to cross the property line from the center of the property assuming 5 acres on square. But this isn't the thread for this. I think you would get more mileage out of this Chris Anderson witch hunt as a separate thread in addition to this one.
WRONG...a 5 acre square is 467 ft. x 467 ft. ( actually 5.01 ac.) That makes it 155.67 yards wide....From the center of the property it would be 77.84 yards to the line. Typically a 20 ac. parcel is 1320 ft. x 660 ft. (not all 20 ac. pieces measure this ) If it is a "typical" 20 ac. parcel from the middle it would be 330 ft. or 110 yards to the property line. Correct me if my math is wrong. And I CAN'T STAND Trespassing pieces of schit. I've heard every excuse. Bango---is Chris Anderson related to Dan Anderson the retired Game Warden from Chewelah??
No, hes not, as far as i know, and i was just discussing the situation with a friend via text while dan was at his house.. Please dont think dan anderson is associated with this guy. From my stance dan is solid.
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on December 06, 2016, 07:50:38 PM
Post by: Bango skank on December 06, 2016, 08:07:23 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on December 06, 2016, 08:50:43 PM
Post by: whacker1 on December 06, 2016, 08:54:27 PM
350 yards plus is the line of travel to cross the property line from the center of the property assuming 5 acres on square. But this isn't the thread for this. I think you would get more mileage out of this Chris Anderson witch hunt as a separate thread in addition to this one.then how is my ten acers 220x220 yards. You math is off
Yes, my math is off.
Post by: Timberstalker on December 06, 2016, 09:04:39 PM
Post by: huntnnw on December 06, 2016, 10:01:45 PM
I have a question.. why wasn't this guy ticketed last year for trespass hunting and illegal retrieval?
Post by: TheHunt on December 07, 2016, 08:38:12 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on December 07, 2016, 08:47:50 AM
sorry to hear about your ordeal with that ------ bag! Sucks about your buck!He said that his property wasn't posted so it would have been hard to convict. He was the new guy in the neighborhood and wanted to see how things went the first year or something like that so he didn't post it. The guy was obviously trespassing but the only thing that they could prove for sure was no hunter orange so that is what they did the ticket for. He says his property is now posted well.
I have a question.. why wasn't this guy ticketed last year for trespass hunting and illegal retrieval?
Post by: huntnnw on December 07, 2016, 10:03:09 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on December 08, 2016, 07:11:32 AM
Doesn't matter in the state of WA.I think it is tougher to get a conviction if it's not posted. I know it is already tough to get a conviction for wildlife crimes even with an open and shut case. The ticket for no hunter orange was a no brainer and an easy way to send a message that they were in the wrong.
Post by: bigtex on December 08, 2016, 07:23:18 AM
:yeah:Doesn't matter in the state of WA.I think it is tougher to get a conviction if it's not posted.
Many prosecutors do not like to prosecute trespass cases if the land is not posted. If it were up to prosecutors, the law would require posting.
Post by: bobcat on December 08, 2016, 07:35:36 AM
Post by: Timberstalker on December 08, 2016, 07:44:06 AM
Well, the law actually says it's only considered trespassing if the land is fenced, posted, or cultivated.
This. We've beat this to death on this forum. Unless it's changed in the last year, I read the RCW and Bobcat is accurate.
Post by: Bob33 on December 08, 2016, 07:58:55 AM
Well, the law actually says it's only considered trespassing if the land is fenced, posted, or cultivated.Here's the RCW:
http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9A.52.010
Post by: Curly on December 08, 2016, 08:05:56 AM
Doesn't matter in the state of WA.I think it is tougher to get a conviction if it's not posted. I know it is already tough to get a conviction for wildlife crimes even with an open and shut case. The ticket for no hunter orange was a no brainer and an easy way to send a message that they were in the wrong.
The no orange should have been easy to beat in court though, if they are just basing it on that trail cam pic. That pic was taken after he was done hunting thus no orange is required. Maybe his hunter orange vest is crammed in a pocket.
Post by: Rainier10 on December 08, 2016, 08:20:40 AM
Of course all of this is speculation, none of us were there.
Post by: Doublelunger on December 08, 2016, 08:25:22 AM
Far from the original intent of this thread. You want to call someone out by all means go right ahead, but start your own thread for it instead of ruining this one for the rest of us. :twocents::jacked: :jacked: :jacked:
Maybe start another thread to discuss Chris Anderson.
Just my :twocents:
Thread stil discussing a person on cam. Still on topic. Go find another cause.
I'm confused...didnt he start this thread???
Post by: bigtex on December 08, 2016, 08:27:06 AM
Number one, I think everyone knows that he didn't have permission from the new land owner to be there. He may have said that he had permission from the old land owner, who knows. For some reason the officer didn't write him up for trespassing. There could be a lot of reasons for that. The officer onsite needed to do something to appease the landowner that felt wronged by the trespassing and charged the trespasser with not wearing hunter orange. My guess is he felt that there was enough evidence to charge and make the charges stick on the hunter orange.:yeah:
Of course all of this is speculation, none of us were there.
People need to understand that there is what the law says, and then there's what prosecutors want. The law may say you can't do X, but the prosecutor may say "well...is all they did is do X and nothing more??"
I typically patrol a couple counties and I know in each county there are laws that prosecutors will and won't prosecutors. Heck, the Snohomish County Prosecutor has listed on their website which offenses they will not prosecute.
The hunter orange ticket is just that a ticket, trespass is a misdemeanor and not a ticket. Hunter orange is an infraction which is basically between a parking ticket and a traffic ticket on the level of importance or severity.
Post by: Rainier10 on December 08, 2016, 08:30:33 AM
Yes this is the thread all of this discussion should have been in. The thread jack comment was in another thread and got moved to this thread when we edited it all out. The OP in this thread had started the most recent dialogue in the people on cams thread. The mods moved it all over to this thread for him to carry on the discussion here rather than keep it in the people on cams thread.Far from the original intent of this thread. You want to call someone out by all means go right ahead, but start your own thread for it instead of ruining this one for the rest of us. :twocents::jacked: :jacked: :jacked:
Maybe start another thread to discuss Chris Anderson.
Just my :twocents:
Thread stil discussing a person on cam. Still on topic. Go find another cause.
I'm confused...didnt he start this thread???
Post by: Buckmania on December 08, 2016, 08:53:08 AM
Post by: jmscon on December 08, 2016, 09:17:18 AM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on December 08, 2016, 09:18:47 AM
i couldnt prosecute for trespassibg since i wasnt posted, hence CHRIS ANDERSON getting a ticket for no hunter orange in the pic.
All it takes is a photograph for a ticket to be issued?
How do you prove that it was even taken in Washington?
Cary on.
Post by: Special T on December 08, 2016, 09:30:09 AM
So with the new law about trespass while hunting is that a separate law or just a separate punishment?Number one, I think everyone knows that he didn't have permission from the new land owner to be there. He may have said that he had permission from the old land owner, who knows. For some reason the officer didn't write him up for trespassing. There could be a lot of reasons for that. The officer onsite needed to do something to appease the landowner that felt wronged by the trespassing and charged the trespasser with not wearing hunter orange. My guess is he felt that there was enough evidence to charge and make the charges stick on the hunter orange.:yeah:
Of course all of this is speculation, none of us were there.
People need to understand that there is what the law says, and then there's what prosecutors want. The law may say you can't do X, but the prosecutor may say "well...is all they did is do X and nothing more??"
I typically patrol a couple counties and I know in each county there are laws that prosecutors will and won't prosecutors. Heck, the Snohomish County Prosecutor has listed on their website which offenses they will not prosecute.
The hunter orange ticket is just that a ticket, trespass is a misdemeanor and not a ticket. Hunter orange is an infraction which is basically between a parking ticket and a traffic ticket on the level of importance or severity.
So if a county won't enforce no trespassing then does that mean they won't enforce the wildlife portion of it?
Post by: Doublelunger on December 08, 2016, 09:38:38 AM
Yes this is the thread all of this discussion should have been in. The thread jack comment was in another thread and got moved to this thread when we edited it all out. The OP in this thread had started the most recent dialogue in the people on cams thread. The mods moved it all over to this thread for him to carry on the discussion here rather than keep it in the people on cams thread.Far from the original intent of this thread. You want to call someone out by all means go right ahead, but start your own thread for it instead of ruining this one for the rest of us. :twocents::jacked: :jacked: :jacked:
Maybe start another thread to discuss Chris Anderson.
Just my :twocents:
Thread stil discussing a person on cam. Still on topic. Go find another cause.
I'm confused...didnt he start this thread???
gotcha, thanks :tup:
Post by: bigtex on December 08, 2016, 09:44:27 AM
Separate law with virtually the same punishment. Both are misdemeanors. The only difference is that the trespass while hunting law is a wildlife violation which gives officers the ability to seize the gear and game, as well as possible license suspension. Plain old trespass is not a wildlife violation so officers couldn't seize gear and game if trespass was the only offense committed. This is why WDFW pushed for the law. You had people shooting big bucks and bulls on private land without permission, but as long as they didn't violate a wildlife law (season, tag, etc) they would keep the animal.So with the new law about trespass while hunting is that a separate law or just a separate punishment?Number one, I think everyone knows that he didn't have permission from the new land owner to be there. He may have said that he had permission from the old land owner, who knows. For some reason the officer didn't write him up for trespassing. There could be a lot of reasons for that. The officer onsite needed to do something to appease the landowner that felt wronged by the trespassing and charged the trespasser with not wearing hunter orange. My guess is he felt that there was enough evidence to charge and make the charges stick on the hunter orange.:yeah:
Of course all of this is speculation, none of us were there.
People need to understand that there is what the law says, and then there's what prosecutors want. The law may say you can't do X, but the prosecutor may say "well...is all they did is do X and nothing more??"
I typically patrol a couple counties and I know in each county there are laws that prosecutors will and won't prosecutors. Heck, the Snohomish County Prosecutor has listed on their website which offenses they will not prosecute.
The hunter orange ticket is just that a ticket, trespass is a misdemeanor and not a ticket. Hunter orange is an infraction which is basically between a parking ticket and a traffic ticket on the level of importance or severity.
So if a county won't enforce no trespassing then does that mean they won't enforce the wildlife portion of it?
As far as your county question, that is really up to each individual prosecutors office. Some may take only the wildlife trespass law, others may just want the 'general' trespass one, and others it won't matter.
Post by: Rainier10 on December 08, 2016, 09:49:35 AM
My guess is when the officer confronted Mr Anderson about trespassing a question was asked about "where was your hunting orange?" and Mr Anderson didn't give the correct information.i couldnt prosecute for trespassibg since i wasnt posted, hence CHRIS ANDERSON getting a ticket for no hunter orange in the pic.
All it takes is a photograph for a ticket to be issued?
How do you prove that it was even taken in Washington?
Cary on.
Again all speculation.
Post by: Knocker of rocks on December 08, 2016, 12:17:26 PM
My guess is when the officer confronted Mr Anderson about trespassing a question was asked about "where was your hunting orange?" and Mr Anderson didn't give the correct information.i couldnt prosecute for trespassibg since i wasnt posted, hence CHRIS ANDERSON getting a ticket for no hunter orange in the pic.
All it takes is a photograph for a ticket to be issued?
How do you prove that it was even taken in Washington?
Cary on.
Again all speculation.
Or wishful thinking by the OP.
Post by: huntnnw on December 11, 2016, 09:55:14 PM
Post by: huntingfool7 on December 15, 2016, 08:01:36 AM
My guess is when the officer confronted Mr Anderson about trespassing a question was asked about "where was your hunting orange?" and Mr Anderson didn't give the correct information.i couldnt prosecute for trespassibg since i wasnt posted, hence CHRIS ANDERSON getting a ticket for no hunter orange in the pic.
All it takes is a photograph for a ticket to be issued?
How do you prove that it was even taken in Washington?
Cary on.
Again all speculation.
Or wishful thinking by the OP.
Knocker- The trail camera photo with date and time stamp clearly shows two guys with rifles dragging a buck out. One with orange, one without. I don't follow how that is wishful thinking by the OP.
Post by: bobcat on December 15, 2016, 08:14:29 AM
Post by: Badhabit on December 15, 2016, 08:15:54 AM
Post by: bobcat on December 15, 2016, 08:21:23 AM
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He was protecting his friend from having someone try to steal his deer.
:chuckle:
That would have been my excuse.
Post by: Bob33 on December 15, 2016, 08:26:36 AM
Is there a requirement to wear orange coyote hunting?If there was a modern firearm deer season open, the answer is "yes."
Post by: Badhabit on December 15, 2016, 09:08:36 AM